I've seen footage of black people getting harassed for nothing, giving police more power isn't the solution.
The black community need Jesse Jackson or high profile black leaders to come out and help because Obama ain't doing FA

Indeed. Everyone seeks validation for their opinions. Just had never heard the term you used before. Damn emotions why can't we all be dead inside? :lol:

To do what? The problem in my opinion is a result of a violent culture associated with guns, blatant racism and a lack of support for police officers.

It seems as though police are trigger happy because of an 'us vs. them' or even a 'kill or be killed' belief. Is it a lack of training? Perhaps. Is it a lack of support? Definitely.

I do wonder how in a situation of pulling someone over, how these policemen are expected to make a near instant decision as to whether someone is a genuine threat or not. What happens if the person they're pulling over/arresting or whatever isn't going for ID and actually pulls a gun? Seems like a shit load of their problems could be solved by significantly bolstering gun laws and removing the ridiculous right to carry in public.

Yes. Amateur mobile phone footage across social media platforms attests to this. I saw a lot of things on facebook after the incident involving the man being shot in Minnesota for putting his hand in his pocket to get out ID. All of them concerned police officers not even pulling their guns out with white male suspects holding guns. I think that police attitudes may be inconsistent (racial profiling).



:-k I can't wait to see the reaction to this.

I thinks its also cause of the media bringing attention to a few situations which could be racist but are more likely ambiguous. Then showing their family members on TV grieving causing anger among the people and a total lack of facts being reported.

If you listen to BLM protestors and they think blacks are senselessly being killed by police.
Death by police makes up 4% of total black murders

If you listen to BLM protestors the only people getting killed by police are black people because police are racist.
Blacks make up 26% of total deaths by cops
Yes that is disproportionate respective to the black population, 13%, but black communities are responsible for far more dangerous and blacks are responsible for disproportionate crime.
52% of homicides
41% of police murders (higher after today)
31% off rape
56% of robberies
34% of aggravated assault

Over policing these neighbourhoods didn't cause this. People commit crimes and witnesses or victims call 911.

If the black community is committing far more than 26% of the crime, and police sometimes kill people but only 26% were black I'd call it a win.

Thats not to say that racism doesn't exist but it isn't widespread. Its a lie that is perpetuated by the media and on social media and now cops are getting killed because of it. Well done everyone

Jesse Jackson is the biggest extorting race baiter there is. What he would do is not what you would want him to do.

Isn't crime proportional to disadvantage within society? Systematic racism driving these people towards lives of crime because they don't have opportunities?

Pretty sad reading some of the posts from one of the officers killed.

You mean he's an Uncle Tom?

Partially. But they play a role. No-one forces them to drop out of high school, they must not be told the importance of education. No one forces mothers to have kids out of wedlock. Thats the systemic problem causing a lack of opportunities. Not racism.

A bit of self reflection would be nice but blaming police brutality that doesn't exist is probably easier because you have video footage and that way you don't have to feel bad about 'your people'.

But isn't that the problem? They've been disadvantaged for hundreds of years and treated like second class citizens (still are to some degree). That is racism.

If America can't sort out a material problem (guns) how can they sort out a systematic issue within 13% of their population?

No.

Except that black people get arrested for petty low level drug crimes that white people (doing the exact same thing) get arrested in much lower numbers for.

The other point is that much of what you have stated is irrelevant. You are essentially saying "yes black people get disproportionately killed by cops, but they commit more crimes, so bad luck".

The fact is the areas they live in are not serviced adequately by police and emergency services. That's why Public Enemy's "911 is a joke" hit such a chord. In many areas, many cops only roll in when they want to crack heads.

These types of incidents have been happening for years, and been denied by police. The only difference is that nowadays so much is caught on video, so the cops can't come up with the bullsh1t cover stories they used to.

But as we see with the America legal system, even blatantly being caught on video often STILL does not results even in charges being laid.

I mean, if you want to know how the American legal system is so utterly stacked against black folks, read up about the "Batson Challenge" Rule regarding jury selection.

Essentially, 80% of black jurors in jury pools get peremptory challenged by prosecutors, because they want to keep black people off juries because they might be sympathetic to black defendants.

The game is so rigged against black people, from schooling, to policing, to the legal system, its ridiculous.

How black do you have to be to get discriminated against ?

Do you mean white people as a total commit the crime less or, based on the percentage of the crimes committed, white people are essentially 'let off' more than black people?



If they commit a higher percentage of total crimes committed wouldn't the be statistically more likely to be killed as well though?



How is this relevant?



The justice department did find that the Ferguson incident (and preceding years) was racial profiling. It's just one example out of many hundreds, but it is the first high profile one I've seen of the justice department finding the police guilty of racial profiling. I note a lack of reporting over the incident also. I had to look this up when it happened as it was a 30 second report on the news.

Edited by bethfc: 18/7/2016 02:04:22 PM

black enough for white lawyers to identify you as such.

Obama has no power lol

So only black people can be sympathetic to their race?

What an absolute joke. How is this not a big deal?

The treatment from both sides will skew from each US state...unless we are on the ground level we don't know. But it's clear it's not a one way street from either side. there are good and bad in both camps

its a deeply complicated issue but it's up to the government and the black community leaders to come to a compromise which won't be easy

You can't say though that one side is right and the other is wrong.



Edited by Socawho: 18/7/2016 02:53:41 PM

It was a big deal - went to the Supreme Court. It's just one example of how the system is stacked against blacks.

I just hate how some people seem to have this mentality that people advocating for cops to stop killing black people, are somehow in favour of cops being murdered. It's just ridiculous.

If you are against people being killed, then you will not be in favour of cops being killed either!

By the way, will be interesting to see if the NRA and republicans start changing their tune about defending gun rights, now that there has been a few examples of black people committing shootings.

Apparently it's really kicking off between Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian.

Probably just reinforce the argument that people need guns to protect themselves (against other people with guns).

Jesse Jackson is a race-baiting, cop hating c*nt.

He has blood on his hands.

I don't ever recall seeing it. Might have been before my time. I can't see how they could ethically reinforce such a discriminating rule regarding jury selection.

I agree regarding the killings. It's people trying to group or categorise others so if you're for one you must be against the other.

The NRA are absolute in their ideals. I can't see anything changing their attitudes.

So the Baton Rouge shooter was an ex-Marine Sargeant.

-PB

And a podcaster!

Sorry mate - I didn't clarify. The Batson Challenge Rule was put in place to combat the practice of excluding blacks.

Basically in the US when juries are selected, each side can disqualify a number of potential jurors without giving reasons. Prosecutors were blatantly using this to exclude black jurors. To the extent that there was a famous case where the prosecution had a list of the jury pool and but the letter "B" for black next to all the black members of the jury pool.

So this rule was brought in so that defence lawyers could challenge some "no reason" disqualifications if it is clear that there is a pattern of exclusion specifically due to race.

So the rule isn't racist. The rule was brought in to combat the racist practice.

Yes, white people are let off, or more specifically, not targeted. The cops target the poorest (eg blacks) because they often have arrest quotas, and if they started shacking down white kids they would soon get complaints to the mayor and would have to stop.

Its often noted that drug usage is very similar across races, but drug arrests are disproportionately against minorities.

Look at the differences in approach to the crack epidemic (mainly black addicts) and illegal prescription medication abuse like oxycontins (mainly white addicts).



True, but shootings are even in excess of arrest rates. So the percentage of black arrests resulting in a cop shooting is higher than the percentage of white arrests resulting in a cop shooting.

Ah ok, I don't know anything about it. If the playing field isn't equal surely there could be challenges to court rulings on the basis that the jury has not been selected fairly or without bias?