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AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany.
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany. Australians are even more stupid than Europeans. The Europeans have at least woken up and are now shoveling shit up the hill tring to deal with it.
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Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany. Australians are even more stupid than Europeans. The Europeans have at least woken up and are now shoveling shit up the hill tring to deal with it. Australia has never fought a war on its soil. Its never had to protect its borders from impending invasion, its civilian population from being murdered, or having their homes and infrastructure turned into rubble. The closest its got was a support act in Europe 100 years, and a miniature submarine getting in Sydney harbour 70 years ago
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany. Australians are even more stupid than Europeans. The Europeans have at least woken up and are now shoveling shit up the hill tring to deal with it. Australia has never fought a war on its soil. Its never had to protect its borders from impending invasion, its civilian population from being murdered, or having their homes and infrastructure turned into rubble. The closest its got was a support act in Europe 100 years, and a miniature submarine getting in Sydney harbour 70 years ago What the fuck has that got to do with anything.
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rusty wrote:Enzo Bearzot wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany. Australians are even more stupid than Europeans. The Europeans have at least woken up and are now shoveling shit up the hill tring to deal with it. Australia has never fought a war on its soil. Its never had to protect its borders from impending invasion, its civilian population from being murdered, or having their homes and infrastructure turned into rubble. The closest its got was a support act in Europe 100 years, and a miniature submarine getting in Sydney harbour 70 years ago What the fuck has that got to do with anything. Not to mention highly disrespectful to the 200+ people that died and the hundreds injured in Darwin when the Japanese attacked. Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 09:12:11 PM
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rusty wrote:Enzo Bearzot wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
But I think it is critical to remember that the goal of these attacks is precisely to create discord between muslims and non-muslims in western societies. They want crackdowns to occur, as they believe this is what will push more muslims to turn to ISIS.
So every time we in western societies react to these events in an (entirely understandable) but unhelpful way, we are actually doing exactly what ISIS wants.
I really find this unbelievably asinine. The idea that the media ought to not report terrorist attacks and that we shouldn't seek to do anything that might offend Muslims for fear they will be radicalised is handing total control of our immigration, security and foreign policy to terrorists. It will just give them free reign to do whatever they want, to recruit and preach their poison wherever they want, to plan attacks whenever they want, to plant their operatives in any country all without fear of reprisal because the somehow the west doing something to counter these measures will play into their propaganda war. This "hands off" approach, that if we do nothing except smile and play nice the problem will magically go away is the absolute apex of cowardice and naivety. If there's a fire burning you have to put it out. I am not talking about a hands-off approach. I am not even necessarily judging what happens at present. I am just pointing out what the strategy of ISIS is. It is not a secret, they proclaim it loudly. Their openly stated strategy is: - Keep attacking targets in the West where there is a muslim population, try to goad the govt into a heavy handed backlash against muslims - Make the attacks as spectacular as possible to drive the tabloid media to stoke fears about muslims etc The purpose is to ensure muslim populations in western countries are as ostracised as possible, and to push them into the arms of ISIS, in order that they can continue to recruit to their cause. All I am saying is that the broader the crackdown, the more generalised the anger is against muslims as a group, the more that is doing what ISIS is counting on. That's not being PC, not being soft or naïve. That is just the basic facts of their strategy. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 03:06:48 PM Actually the basic fact of their strategy is to take over the world. To be honest I have not heard ISIS openly declare their main objective is to turn local Muslim population against western government and vice versa, other than from the softcocks on the left, but doesn't that seem a bit too convenient that that would be their "strategy", and therefore the only way the governments can counter and outsmart them is to migrate more Muslims, repatriate ISIS militants back to Australia with open arms, avoid scrutiny of radical hate preaches and failing to condemn terrorism? Mwahah that'll teach ISIS!:twisted: I sure hope Australia isn't as stupid as Germany. Australians are even more stupid than Europeans. The Europeans have at least woken up and are now shoveling shit up the hill tring to deal with it. Australia has never fought a war on its soil. Its never had to protect its borders from impending invasion, its civilian population from being murdered, or having their homes and infrastructure turned into rubble. The closest its got was a support act in Europe 100 years, and a miniature submarine getting in Sydney harbour 70 years ago What the fuck has that got to do with anything. He is right. Australians have never had their country turned upside down, where thousands have been killed, deal with an invasion, and the entire countries infrastructure turned to rubble. Because of this, Australians are very apathetic and don't really understand how bad things can get, because there is no previous precedence. That's why Australians vote minor parties into the Senate. They actually like instability and a rudderless ship. They also can't seem to fathom the possibility that Australia could one day be just like France, where it will actually be scary to practice Australian culture, and with Sharia on our doorstep as well as terrorist attacks. They think this is a scare campaign and xenophobic. One day, they will be hitting their heads against a brick wall. But it's not too late. We are in the early stages. We can do something about this, in order to protect Australia and its people. If only some sections can appreciate the menace approaching our shores. It really is up to you guys. Whatever happens, you will have to live with the repercussions. By the time all this happens, I will be on the Ionian Coast with my Souvla on the beach in any case, while you deal with Sharia Law and terrorism.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Germany and France have both been through wars and "turned to rubble" but they have more liberal Muslim policies than Australia.
I feel this is one of those "oh, our countries have been through war, and know what war is like, and your country hasn't, therefore because my house, cow and plow got blown up we are wise and enlightened and you are ignorant" moments.
Like Trump might say, I like countries that weren't blown up.
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rusty wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about. Germany and France have both been through wars and "turned to rubble" but they have more liberal Muslim policies than Australia. Germany has been on a 70 year long guilt trip, thats its over-compensated for. France colonised the lands that are source of those immigrants. Besides they hoisted the white flag Quote: feel this is one of those "oh, our countries have been through war, and know what war is like, and your country hasn't, therefore because my house, cow and plow got blown up we are wise and enlightened and you are ignorant" moments. You have NFI. Why a myopic ignorant view of world history. Typically bogan. When this country has to deal with centuries of Islamic oppression, you can then talk about how "enlightened and informed" you are. And I stand by my earlier comment- 200 dead FFS. When this country has millions and tens of millions then you can have a seat on that discussion table. Australia is like an infantile, sheltered child when it comes to these things. Quote:Like Trump might say, I like countries that weren't blown up. What that does that means-its ok blow up up someone else's home Edited by enzo bearzot: 16/7/2016 11:20:42 AM
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:
Germany has been on a 70 year long guilt trip, thats its over-compensated for.
France colonised the lands that are source of those immigrants. Besides they hoisted the white flag
:lol: What the rest of Europe then? Of all countries that have been so honourably "turned to rubble" most have sizeable Muslim populations more than Australia. I don't know any country that specifically bans Muslims. Quote:When this country has to deal with centuries of Islamic oppression, you can then talk about how "enlightened and informed" you are. Wtf? What has Islamic oppression got to do with being enlightened and informed ? I was right, this is definitely one of those "my country has had bombs dropped on it therefore I am so wise and enlightened" moments. :lol: Quote:And I stand by my earlier comment- 200 dead FFS. When this country has millions and tens of millions then you can have a seat on that discussion table. What discussion table? Because we don't have tens of millions were not allowed to discuss our immigration policies ? :lol: Quote:Australia is like an infantile, sheltered child when it comes to these things. OR... perhaps we're just fortunately positioned geographically. Your envy is seeping through here. :o Quote:What that does that means-its ok blow up up someone else's home just fuck off mate :lol: Edited by rusty: 16/7/2016 12:22:18 PM
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rusty wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about. Germany and France have both been through wars and "turned to rubble" but they have more liberal Muslim policies than Australia.
I feel this is one of those "oh, our countries have been through war, and know what war is like, and your country hasn't, therefore because my house, cow and plow got blown up we are wise and enlightened and you are ignorant" moments.
Like Trump might say, I like countries that weren't blown up. Germany and France (Western Europe) are in deep shit with their Ghettos and terrorism alerts. They have learned the hard way. Australia better not make the same mistakes. The way we are going though, we too will be in deep shit! Yes, Aussies are too ignorant because they don't have the oldies telling their children of the dark times of pure survival. But more than that, they take things for granted and are politically apathetic. Australia has had a very sheltered existence and been very fortunate to boot. But one day, that fortune might run out (I certainly hope not though). Australia has never really had to deal with Radical Islam before like the Balkan Countries and Israel have. When you do, you will find and live your biggest nightmare. There is no use reasoning with this radical form of Islam. They will just want to kill you because you have no right to life or existence. It is the will of Allah. Edited by Aikhme: 16/7/2016 02:03:11 PM
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Aikhme wrote:They will just want to kill you because you have no right to life or existence.
Thats what I said Its not black lives matter Its not all lives matter Its no lives matter
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Aikhme wrote:Because of this, Australians are very apathetic and don't really understand how bad things can get, because there is no previous precedence.
That's why Australians vote minor parties into the Senate. They actually like instability and a rudderless ship. They also can't seem to fathom the possibility that Australia could one day be just like France, where it will actually be scary to practice Australian culture, and with Sharia on our doorstep as well as terrorist attacks. They think this is a scare campaign and xenophobic. We have heard your excuse for Germany and France. What about Belgium and netherlands, with their wars on home soil, Muslim populations and penchant for voting minor parties?
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killua wrote:Aikhme wrote:Because of this, Australians are very apathetic and don't really understand how bad things can get, because there is no previous precedence.
That's why Australians vote minor parties into the Senate. They actually like instability and a rudderless ship. They also can't seem to fathom the possibility that Australia could one day be just like France, where it will actually be scary to practice Australian culture, and with Sharia on our doorstep as well as terrorist attacks. They think this is a scare campaign and xenophobic. We have heard your excuse for Germany and France. What about Belgium and netherlands, with their wars on home soil, Muslim populations and penchant for voting minor parties? It's the same with Brussels and Netherlands. http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/the-netherlands/You don't want to be going where Western Europe has. They have learned the hard way and are now paying for it. Demands for Sharia, rape of women are at all time records and that is before we delve into all the terrorist attacks in Brussels, France and UK the last few years. Europe has no pretty much closed their borders to Syrian refugees. Socialists agenda has made white societies all over Europe feel guilty but there is nothing to feel guilty about. There is nothing worng with trying to protect your society from these types of attacks. Do you want your children to live in fear? One day they will but it will be ok for me as I will be on the Ionian Coast in Greece with my Souvla. Edited by Aikhme: 17/7/2016 11:41:10 AM
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:
There is also the weak condemnation of terrorist atrocities from Islamic leaders, often qualified with accusations blaming the West.
I would dispute this, if you are talking in terms of muslim leadership within western countries. It is a bit of an urban myth in my opinion. They are always quick to condemn. Its just that anytime someone says something slightly not right, the media jump all over it and ignore everything else. Also, islam is not hierarchical in the same way the catholic church is. You can always find an imam who says something bigoted if you look hard enough. But this is coming from ANIC, not some loony hate preacher . "These recent incidents highlight the fact that current strategies to deal with the threat of terrorism are not working. It is therefore imperative that all causative factors such as
racism, Islamophobia, curtailing freedoms through securitisation, duplicitous foreign
policies and military intervention must be comprehensively addressed." I dont think there is anything "urban myth" about this at all. Condemnation of terrorism should be unqualified and not seek to appropriate blame other than on those responsible. Do you really think a religion would admit that it's sacred texts are at least part of the problem we have here? No, it's a case of deflection with all religions. No it won't. Even the so called moderate Muslims believe that non Muslims are infidels. That is the harsh reality of it. They might not kill non believers, but to them, they are still inferior and dirty infidels. They just won't admit to it that's all. Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 12:39:59 PM this is 100% accurate
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It's too broad to generalise as a "muslim" problem.
Its not Shia, Sufi, Sikhs etc committing these acts. It is a specific issue within Sunni islam driving by the Wahhabi extremist preaching that has been allowed to go on due to funding by the Saudis.
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AzzaMarch wrote:It's too broad to generalise as a "muslim" problem.
Its not Shia, Sufi, Sikhs etc committing these acts. It is a specific issue within Sunni islam driving by the Wahhabi extremist preaching that has been allowed to go on due to funding by the Saudis. The Shia are just as bad so it is not something only attributable to Sunnis and Wahhabists. Ever heard of Hezbollah? The only thing is, they will even kill each other. In fact the Shias have made the spread of radical Wahhabism more pre-valent in Iraq and Syria by oppressing the Sunnis and allowing ISIL to thrive. Edited by Aikhme: 18/7/2016 09:47:08 AM
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Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:It's too broad to generalise as a "muslim" problem.
Its not Shia, Sufi, Sikhs etc committing these acts. It is a specific issue within Sunni islam driving by the Wahhabi extremist preaching that has been allowed to go on due to funding by the Saudis. The Shia are just as bad so it is not something only attributable to Sunnis and Wahhabists. Ever heard of Hezbollah? The only thing is, they will even kill each other. In fact the Shias have made the spread of radical Wahhabism more pre-valent in Iraq and Syria by oppressing the Sunnis and allowing ISIL to thrive. Edited by Aikhme: 18/7/2016 09:47:08 AM I agree 100% about activities within the middle east. I am talking about acts of terrorism outside the middle east. That is specifically a Sunni-ISIS phenomenon. The actions of shia militias in the middle east is really more political than religious - they are proxies of the Iranian govt. Obviously, they are Shia, but they are not being driven by martyrdom. They are acting on rational, geo-political grounds. And by rational, I don't mean "good". I just mean that it is not a religious action to obtain martyrdom etc. It is very specific in terms of influencing the politics of Iraq, Lebanon, Syria etc.
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mcjules wrote:So bloody close Automatic recount but I hope it's correct [-o< Only 2 candidates?
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paulbagzFC
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The it's dragging on here haha. This must be one of the tightest margins ever? -PB
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mcjules
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BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:So bloody close Automatic recount but I hope it's correct [-o< Only 2 candidates? Actually AEC says still 500 votes to count but yeah it's two party preferred which is supposed to happen. Edited by mcjules: 18/7/2016 04:59:03 PM
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paulbagzFC
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Hanson on QandA, yeah boi. -PB
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Fucking hell the outrage over Sonya Kruger's comments is just ridiculous. Who gives a fuck what a plastic TV personality cares about immigation ffs. -PB
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paulbagzFC
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LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL Hanson parked next to Desto and her reaction. -PB
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mcjules
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paulbagzFC wrote:Hanson on QandA, yeah boi.
-PB She really has no clue when it comes to anything but the fear stuff :lol:
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mcjules wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Hanson on QandA, yeah boi.
-PB She really has no clue when it comes to anything but the fear stuff :lol: I really want to see her in an actual debate setting with someone that would just take her apart :lol:
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Anyone noticed the similarity between eddie izzard and Pauline hanson, were they separated at birth ? Transvestite and comedian  Pauline  Edited by dirkvanadidas: 19/7/2016 01:29:54 AM
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Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:It's too broad to generalise as a "muslim" problem.
Its not Shia, Sufi, Sikhs etc committing these acts. It is a specific issue within Sunni islam driving by the Wahhabi extremist preaching that has been allowed to go on due to funding by the Saudis. The Shia are just as bad so it is not something only attributable to Sunnis and Wahhabists. Ever heard of Hezbollah? The only thing is, they will even kill each other. In fact the Shias have made the spread of radical Wahhabism more pre-valent in Iraq and Syria by oppressing the Sunnis and allowing ISIL to thrive. Edited by Aikhme: 18/7/2016 09:47:08 AM Quite. Unfortunately, this principle can be applied to Western reaction to Islam, also. It's unsurprising that the Western country which is suffering the most has one of the most disgraceful colonial pasts out of all European nations. Not even 60 years ago, Algerians, for example, would be clobbered over the head and thrown into the Seine. To this day, marginalisation of French Muslims (even just persons of north African origin in France) is prevalent. That's what really acts as a catalyst for radicalisation. People feel victimised by society and turn to... guess who? Those who pretend to feel their pain. Radical preachers. I can think of a less distressing analogy which illustrates the problem very well. On another thread it was suggested that some Greeks wholeheartedly support Greece over Australia because, when they were children, they were bullied at school by their Anglo-Saxon-Celtic classmates on account of their ethnicity. For this reason, they, understandably, had no attachment to Australia and chose to appropriate that for which they were marginalised; Greece. Obviously, I hope it's not so bad for Greeks in Australia these days and they feel the right to be as Australian as anybody else. The point is that this same social phenomenon, in a vastly more macabre fashion, compels Muslims in Europe to turn to the dark side.You're absolutely right that there's no reasoning with some of these people. Unfortunately, short of embarking on some kind of highly-efficient campaign of ethnic cleansing (which, needless to say, cannot be done), Western Europe just needs to accept this and find ways of coping with this problem. So it becomes a question of striking a balance between tolerance and toughness in order to minimise radicalisation. In much the same way that the spread of Wahhabism has only been fostered in the Middle-East by Shia oppression of Sunnis, the same is happening for extremists in the West. The more marginalisation -> the greater number of people who can't be reasoned with. Extremists love to hear the Pauline Hanson rhetoric.
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mcjules wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Hanson on QandA, yeah boi.
-PB She really has no clue when it comes to anything but the fear stuff :lol: To be honest she looks to be the kind of person that doesn't do well with on the spot stuff. If she's prepared or had a speechwriter look over stuff she's good to go (on certain topics) but drop her into a hot seat last night and she's goes from 0 to stutter in a few seconds lol. -PB
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It disappoints me how anti-racism protestors show up to every event of hers. I think she's a nutcase and a racist but she was democratically elected and deserves the same level of respect as her counterparts.
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