No surprises there. However, how do you stop it? How do you stop police from racial profiling? It's not a new concept, just a flash-point given advances in technology.



Thought as much.

Yes - that is exactly what has happened on many occasions. The difficulty is proving that the reason jurors were not selected was due to race. EG - if the prosecution can come up with a plausible non-racial reasoning for exclusion it is ok.

Very difficult issue.

One of the biggest issues is that police are often given quotas of arrests, and are sent out specifically to get drug arrests.

Its the whole approach to policing.

Community policing is key - get to know the neighbourhood, build relations with the people separate to arresting them.

If they can build 2-way trust, it reduces the tension on both sides.

It is a long-term, slow process, and labour-intensive. But ultimately it is what is effective.

How long are we talking? Because what you say was discussed when I was 10 years old about 30-odd years ago, and probably before then. If what you say is true, surely by now inroads would have happened? Or is there some personal responsibility-not everyone is a product of or a victim of "the system".

The Turkish Chief of Staff and the Admiral of the Navy have been arrested.

Can't get anymore top brass than that!

White people get profiled too, if they see a car with white people in it driving around some ghetto arse place, they assume they're there for drugs.

source: Cops 8)

You'd think they would've been able to pull some more firepower then.

What's your take on why it failed?

it was fake....going and read the top rules in make a coup, and they broke it

1.. take the head of state first , take other government ministers (none was taken, none was killed)
2. any army unites not part of the coup, to be move far away from where coup will take places


30 provincial governors
47 district governors
8777 Interior Ministry staff (incl. police)
2745 judges
3000+ soldiers

Turkey detains 103 generals and admirals in total after coup....this is 26% all generals and admirals

Edited by adrtho: 19/7/2016 12:28:33 AM

Galatasaray's president Dursun Ozbek is arrested for take-part in coup attempt at Turkey

Paris prosecutor says Nice attacker had no links to individuals from IS, but searches on his computer indicated an interest in the group.

So he did a Man Monis

he had no bombs, he had only one hand gun, living in the biggest mafia zone of France

France Government needs him to be part of ISIS, it why they say he become redicalized in two days ...make it simple and easy to understand why he did it

Most of the coup vehicle in Istanbul were from 2 Armored Bde and 66 Mechanized Infartery Bde

so those units are from the 3rd Corps of the 1st Army

now we know the head of the 2nd Army and 3rd Army have been arrested, but the head of the 1st army has been made head gen of all Turkish land forces :-s

So some guy in Germany decided to chop people on a train, but #letsnotjumptoconclusions #mentalhealthawareness

The Guardian

Lets not be bigots. Remember the indigenous. Somehow thats relevant.

Turkey official: "This is very large organization. Claims several million members & contributors. Penetrating bureaucracy for decades."

fuck, this is going to be bad

Hmmm, turns out that if you jumped to conclusions, you were right

Update

But #notallmuslims, amirite?


Edited by Aljay: 19/7/2016 08:49:04 AM

I'll ride with you guize

And US now telling Turkey that they won't hand Gullen over without evidence, to which Turkey isn't too happy about haha.

-PB

the fake coup stated Friday, the real coup started Sunday

This is a good article explaining the coup.

It seems there were 2 key failings - the bombing of parliament, which fuelled a backlash by the public; and the fact that they didn't shoot down Erdogan's plane when they had the chance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-was-well-planned-and-very-nearly-succeeded-say-turkish-officials

It was midnight in the Turkish capital, just two and a half hours into the attempted coup, and the group of nine senior ministers who were gathered in a conference room at the prime ministry were convinced that they were all about to meet their end.

“They probably will be successful and we will die tonight,” said one of the ministers, according to an official who was present at the meeting. “Let us be ready to die. We will all be martyred in this fight.”

He sent his bodyguard to fetch his personal gun. Security forces charged with protecting the building had been escorted out of the room in a sombre scene, because ministers did not know who to trust in the middle of the unfolding coup.

They were in the meeting when the state broadcaster, TRT, was taken over by the rebels and the channel’s anchorwoman was forced to read a statement declaring the military was in control and denouncing President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. The cabinet fell into utter silence for two minutes.

Then one minister cracked a joke that eased the tension: “Don’t bother with TRT, I don’t even watch it during regular times, it’s just state TV.”

Nearly three days have passed since a faction within Turkey’s military attempted to overthrow the government, deploying tanks to the streets of Istanbul and Ankara, blocking bridges, arresting top military officers, seizing TV stations and launching coordinated attacks on police and security headquarters, promising to restore true democracy.

That effort was short-lived but bloody, with hundreds of lives lost and thousands wounded in the carnage. The capital city is pockmarked with tell-tale signs of the violence, abandoned tanks now a curiosity for locals posing on the metal carcasses left in the streets. Shattered glass and concrete adorn the grounds of local security and intelligence headquarters and the parliament building, itself bombed in an attack on democratic institutions of symbolic importance.

But as Turkey picks up the pieces after the failed coup, new details are emerging of how it unfolded, and just how close the military intervention came to succeeding. Many observers have labelled the attempt amateurish, but accounts by officials contradict this characterisation, describing it as well organised and very nearly successful.

In Ankara on Friday, the day of the coup, the interior minister had been invited, along with other top officials, to a high-level security meeting in military headquarters that was supposed to take place after 5pm, a ploy that turned out to be intended as a pretext to detain him. He did not go because he was too busy, and later when the coup unfolded he was stuck in Ankara’s Esenboğa airport, setting up a crisis cell there to manage the fallout, protected by crowds that had gathered to oppose the coup.

The top counter-terrorism official responsible for Turkey’s campaign against Islamic State did go to a “meeting” at the presidential palace in Ankara. He was later found with his hands tied behind his back, shot in the neck, according to a senior official.

President Erdoğan himself was at the resort of Marmaris, but had left the residence where he was staying some 20 minutes before coup plotters attacked it. Around 25 soldiers in helicopters descended on a hotel there on ropes, shooting, in an apparent attempt to seize him just after Erdoğan had left, broadcaster CNN Turk said.

But as he flew from Marmaris on a business jet, two F-16 fighter jets locked their radar targeting system on the president’s plane, according to an account first reported by Reuters and later confirmed to the Guardian.

The jets didn’t fire after the presidential plane’s pilot told the fighter jet pilots over the radio that it was a Turkish Airlines flight, a senior counter-terrorism official told the Guardian.

But that came later. At around 9pm, General Mehmet Dişli, the brother of a long-serving MP with the ruling AK party, allegedly gave the order that set the coup in motion, sending army special forces officers to arrest the military’s senior command. Tanks began rolling out into the streets of Ankara, and an hour later they had closed down Istanbul’s Bosphorus and Fatih Sultan Mehmet bridges.

Cemalettin Haşimi, a senior adviser of prime minister Binali Yıldırım, watched it all with a sense of foreboding. At 10.24pm, after surveying besieged Ankara, he walked into the office of the prime ministry’s undersecretary.

“Is it real?” he asked.

“Yes, it’s real,” came the reply. “But we are not sure if it’s within the chain of command or just a group in the army.”

By 10.37pm they had conferred with Yıldırım, who was in Istanbul, deciding to declare it an attempted coup on national television. They called TRT, but 10 minutes later the channel was overrun. So Haşimi called the private channel NTV, and minutes later Yıldırım was denouncing the plot.

Meanwhile, there were chaotic scenes in Ankara and Istanbul. A statement appeared on the military’s website and was circulated by email declaring it had taken control to restore democracy, feeding into the fears of government officials who worried the military chain of command had endorsed the takeover. Haşimi claimed that judges aligned with the coup had begun calling on associates to adhere to the military’s demands.

The national intelligence building and the police headquarters were attacked from the air. In the latter, helicopters had targeted the intelligence department in the top three floors of the facility, unleashing a hail of shattered glass and concrete that still scars the building.

“It was a nightmare,” said Murat Karakullukcu, a police official who spent the night at the headquarters through the attack and had served at UN peacekeeping missions in Kosovo. “Our first thought was how to survive, and then we started shooting at the helicopters with small arms.”

Back at the prime ministry, despair was setting in. They had resolved to make a final stand in the parliament, when Erdoğan appeared on a live broadcast at 12.37am on a reporter’s iPhone, exhorting the people to defend democracy.

“What is FaceTime? Why don’t I have it?” asked one of the ministers in attendance.

“That was the moment when the psychology were reversed and we thought we were going to win,” said Haşimi.

People began taking to the streets in larger numbers, answering the call of the president and the religious affairs Diyanet ministry, which had called on the imams of Turkey’s mosques to take to their minarets to declare “God is great”. The call to take to the streets was met with unease by some ministers, who worried it would result in a massacre.

On their way to the parliament, Haşimi and the rest of the ministers received the news that it had been bombed. That was one of the key pivotal points that led to the failure of the coup, he said. While he appreciated that many of those who took to the streets did not like Erdoğan’s government, the attack on the parliament, the first by the military since the 1920s, was too much of a provocation.

The statements by opposition leaders and top military officers, including army commanders, disavowing the coup sealed its fate.

Stories emerged of those crucial hours, between the president’s address and the successful quelling of the coup by 4am, that are sure to pass into the official mythology of the events. At 1am, officials say the police chief the city of Bursa arrested the local army commander, who possessed a 6-page list that included the names of designated judges and military officials who were to be appointed to various positions in the bureaucracy in the aftermath of the coup. Other pro-coup soldiers possessed lists of secure telephone lines to receive orders.

“There were crucial moments,” said Haşimi. “It was incredibly well organised actually, but sudden moves by the leadership and sudden movement by the people changed the whole plan.”

“It could have succeeded,” he added. “They lost the moment the president and the prime minister went on air, and when high-level army commanders came out on air and declared their support for democracy, and the people rejected going home.”

17 yr old afghan"refugee" goes on a stabbing spree on a German train. I'm sure he used a peaceful and moderate knife.

:lol:

I'm sure being a refugee justifies it. A country takes in a million refugees and they bring Syria to Europe. German Annie has blood on her hands.

there stabbing on trains everyday...not many using a axe :lol:

Which is exactly what the Taliban government said to the US in 2001 when they asked them to hand over Bin Laden, to which they responded "Fuck off, your with us or against us, we're coming in".


Edited by Aljay: 19/7/2016 09:50:02 AM

Iraq suicide bomb. I think we will see a peaceful return to Islam in that region. Could even be Africa and Boko Haram.

They had plenty of firepower on the streets and also in the air.

The reason why they failed is because the Kemalist populace didn't come out in the streets to support the Coup, which was a very surprising situation for me. And on top of that, thousands of people came out to support Erdogan. Well not so much support him but oppose the Military Coup.

The Coup failed because some crazy Turks would lay down in front of advancing Tanks. At this point, the soldiers have 2 choices. Either run a few civilians over which will send a message to the rest of the population or stop. The soldiers chose to stop. In the end, the soldiers couldn't start killing civilians.

What has been revealed just now is that the police were also in on the act. About 6000 police have been arrested as having conspired in support of the Military Coup.

Over 10,000 people have been arrested and Turkey is about to re-introduce the Death penalty, just to show you how nasty and autocratic Erdogan is. So many people are going to get framed and killed for know reason.

anybody who not with Erdogan will be class as in on it....the press will be next

Coming Tuesday: The #ErdoganEmails: 300 thousand internal emails from Erdoğan's AKP - through to July 7, 2016.wikileaks

I agree.

But it is also the reason why I think Erdogan will fall on his sword and be defeated.

There are already 400 journalists in jail in Turkey.