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View from the fence wrote:Genesis 4:8
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. Genesis 86 she seems to have an invisible touch yeah, it takes control and slowly tears you apart.
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luckee wrote:View from the fence wrote:Genesis 4:8
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. Genesis 86 she seems to have an invisible touch yeah, it takes control and slowly tears you apart. :lol: :lol: :lol: Gene Isis, the final countdown.
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mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog Edited by Socawho: 19/7/2016 05:39:57 PM
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Davide82 wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol:
Edited by Socawho: 19/7/2016 03:49:58 PM I'm curious, what do any of the comments you ever make have to do with anything anyone else is saying or anything you in fact mean yourself? Why do I care what you think?
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM
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View from the fence wrote:Genesis 4:8
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. Good! Fuck him!!
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AzzaMarch wrote:Out of interest, if anyone wants to know of historical examples of terrorism, which will show you that we do not live in uniquely dangerous times, I recommend reading up on the anarchist terrorism of the late 1800s/early 1900s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deedRegicides and other assassinations[i]Numerous heads of state and heads of government were assassinated between 1881 and 1914 by members of the libertarian socialist movement. The very first sentence in the article makes your post completely irrelevant to contemporary events. Islamists are not killing specific heads of government. They are killing random civilians.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM You made absolute statements based on the fact that you had been there and live amongst the people and in one of your next posts it said you were going there. This post by azza, however, is a published piece.
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM You made absolute statements based on the fact that you had been there and live amongst the people and in one of your next posts it said you were going there. This post by azza, however, is a published piece. Did I? That's not my recollection but I'll go back and check. It's possible I missed a word somewhere in my posts. I don't actually dispute any of what Azza quoted but it is from wikipedia, not technically a "published piece".
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM I never said I knew more than you on the issue of China...but your track record is highly dubious when it comes to validating what a place is like without having been there
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Out of interest, if anyone wants to know of historical examples of terrorism, which will show you that we do not live in uniquely dangerous times, I recommend reading up on the anarchist terrorism of the late 1800s/early 1900s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deedRegicides and other assassinations[i]Numerous heads of state and heads of government were assassinated between 1881 and 1914 by members of the libertarian socialist movement. The very first sentence in the article makes your post completely irrelevant to contemporary events. Islamists are not killing specific heads of government. They are killing random civilians. As an observation, I think Islamic terrorism is despised in a different way because it is foreign. Many countries have suffered terrorist actions in living memory, such as the Shining Path in S. America (Peru?), Bader Meinhof gang in Germany, Basque seperatists in Spain, Red Brigades and anarchists in Germany, Italy etc in the 60s and 70s, but fundamentally people would see them as "our" problem. Islamic terrorism, which is an out working of sharia superiority, is an imported and foreign problem. I am sure many Europeans clearly remember a time when this was non existant in their country, but now, in addition to their societies changing against their wishes, they have to deal with the fact that immigration is bringing with it ideological mass murder and are asking why they should have to put up with it.
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM I never said I knew more than you on the issue of China...but your track record is highly dubious when it comes to validating what a place is like without having been there I don't think I ever told you whether I've been to Auburn or not, and I never will because it's fun to watch you act like this :lol: Regardless, I have mentioned I've been other places a number of times and I can never reach the bar of acceptability and I understand why this is. As I pointed out earlier, even living somewhere would be purely anecdotal. If someone wants to call me out on something I'd say, asking me to provide sources or to counter with another point and provide a source for their info, I'm happy to engage. Acting like dumbshits like you, your multi and TSF did...
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM You made absolute statements based on the fact that you had been there and live amongst the people and in one of your next posts it said you were going there. This post by azza, however, is a published piece. Did I? That's not my recollection but I'll go back and check. It's possible I missed a word somewhere in my posts. I don't actually dispute any of what Azza quoted but it is from wikipedia, not technically a "published piece". Checked the references. Its on the level from first glance. I don't think it was a word but it was how I interrupted what you were saying.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM I never said I knew more than you on the issue of China...but your track record is highly dubious when it comes to validating what a place is like without having been there I don't think I ever told you whether I've been to Auburn or not, and I never will because it's fun to watch you act like this :lol: Regardless, I have mentioned I've been other places a number of times and I can never reach the bar of acceptability and I understand why this is. As I pointed out earlier, even living somewhere would be purely anecdotal. If someone wants to call me out on something I'd say, asking me to provide sources or to counter with another point and provide a source for their info, I'm happy to engage. Acting like dumbshits like you, your multi and TSF did... I don't even have a multi , so you've made yourself to look like a twat there Well done Murdoch Rags. Well done=d> Edited by Socawho: 19/7/2016 08:12:41 PM
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM I never said I knew more than you on the issue of China...but your track record is highly dubious when it comes to validating what a place is like without having been there I don't think I ever told you whether I've been to Auburn or not, and I never will because it's fun to watch you act like this :lol: Regardless, I have mentioned I've been other places a number of times and I can never reach the bar of acceptability and I understand why this is. As I pointed out earlier, even living somewhere would be purely anecdotal. If someone wants to call me out on something I'd say, asking me to provide sources or to counter with another point and provide a source for their info, I'm happy to engage. Acting like dumbshits like you, your multi and TSF did... I don't even have a multi , so you've made yourself to look like a twat there Well done Murdoch Rags. Well done=d> Edited by Socawho: 19/7/2016 08:12:41 PM I love quote pyramids.
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lol now Erdo is rounding up university deans and school teachers. Screams of a full on dictatorship going full ham. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:lol now Erdo is rounding up university deans and school teachers.
Screams of a full on dictatorship going full ham.
-PB yep..the coup started on sunday , it just the beginning
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM You made absolute statements based on the fact that you had been there and live amongst the people and in one of your next posts it said you were going there. This post by azza, however, is a published piece. Did I? That's not my recollection but I'll go back and check. It's possible I missed a word somewhere in my posts. I don't actually dispute any of what Azza quoted but it is from wikipedia, not technically a "published piece". Checked the references. Its on the level from first glance. I don't think it was a word but it was how I interrupted what you were saying. I presume you meant interpreted rather than interrupted, yes you make the claim that I said I lived there and but I never did. I've been a proponent of Waleed's latest edict for a long time. I empathise with your situation. #sendForgivenessViral o:)
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Out of interest, if anyone wants to know of historical examples of terrorism, which will show you that we do not live in uniquely dangerous times, I recommend reading up on the anarchist terrorism of the late 1800s/early 1900s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deedRegicides and other assassinationsNumerous heads of state and heads of government were assassinated between 1881 and 1914 by members of the libertarian socialist movement.
The very first sentence in the article makes your post completely irrelevant to contemporary events. Islamists are not killing specific heads of government. They are killing random civilians. Couple of points in response: - Anarchists did kill civilians also. I just quoted one section dealing with heads of state, rather than including the whole entry. I picked that section just because I thought it fascinating as to how many heads of state got killed. - Not sure how the fact of killing heads of govt compared to killing civilians makes it "completely irrelevant". They are still spreading fear, and using terror - "propaganda of the deed" to legitimise themselves, and increase their exposure. No 2 historical comparisons are exactly the same, but it doesn't mean there aren't relevant connections. I mainly posted this to show that we are not living in unique times. Between the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union (1989) and the September 11 attacks (2001) we lived in an unusually peaceful time. That is not the norm historically. During the 19th century to WW1 we had the ideological battle between modernist democratic movements and the old hierarchy (mainly monarchies). Between WW1 and WW2 we had the battle between democracy and fascism. From end WW2 to 1989 we had the cold war. Between 1989 and 2001 we had a very unusual period of no "grand conflict". From 2001 onwards we have had the war on terror and the return of identity politics (religious/nationalist as opposed to class or "system" ) . [i]Edited by AzzaMarch: 20/7/2016 09:20:15 AM
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There are Greek Reports that 14 Turkish Naval Ships are AWOL. The Turks don't know where they are.
They have in other words mutinied by the Coupists.
There is speculation that the Ships are either headed for Greece where the entire crew will request asylum, or another Western Country in Europe, or USA where they will do the same.
Also speculation that another Coup is in the works.
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SocaWho wrote:Aikhme wrote:Aljay wrote:Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:You know there was fighting between military units as well?
This was a coup by some generals and officers, not the highest levels of the military.
Most of the military did not support the coup. The Turkish Chief of Staff and the Admiral of the Navy have been arrested. Can't get anymore top brass than that! You'd think they would've been able to pull some more firepower then. What's your take on why it failed? They had plenty of firepower on the streets and also in the air. The reason why they failed is because the Kemalist populace didn't come out in the streets to support the Coup, which was a very surprising situation for me. And on top of that, thousands of people came out to support Erdogan. Well not so much support him but oppose the Military Coup. The Coup failed because some crazy Turks would lay down in front of advancing Tanks. At this point, the soldiers have 2 choices. Either run a few civilians over which will send a message to the rest of the population or stop. The soldiers chose to stop. In the end, the soldiers couldn't start killing civilians. What has been revealed just now is that the police were also in on the act. About 6000 police have been arrested as having conspired in support of the Military Coup. Over 10,000 people have been arrested and Turkey is about to re-introduce the Death penalty, just to show you how nasty and autocratic Erdogan is. So many people are going to get framed and killed for know reason. So is this like Iran revolution or more like Saddam It appears to be an attempted Kemalist Coup also supported by the Gulenists - a moderate cleric in exile in the USA.
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:View from the fence wrote:SocaWho wrote:News outlets are saying the persons attacked in Germany by the 17 year old Afghani were a family of Hong Kong nationals on holiday.
Everyone should calm da fuck down though ...it's only a once off:lol: If China gets involved.............fark They already are - read up on the Uyghurs. Although, that issue is more about outright oppression of them by the chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs"The Xinjiang conflict is an ongoing separatist conflict in China's far-west province of Xinjiang, whose northern region is known as Dzungaria and whose southern region (the Tarim Basin) is known as East Turkestan. Uyghur separatists and independence movements claim that the region is not a part of China, but that the Second East Turkestan Republic was illegally incorporated by the PRC in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. Uyghur identity remains fragmented, as some support a Pan-Islamic vision, exemplified by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, while others support a Pan-Turkic vision, such as the East Turkestan Liberation Organization. A third group would like a "Uyghurstan" state, such as the East Turkestan independence movement. As a result, "[n]o Uyghur or East Turkestan group speaks for all Uyghurs, although it might claim to", and Uyghurs in each of these camps have committed violence against other Uyghurs who they think are too assimilated to Chinese or Russian society or are not religious enough. Mindful not to take sides, Uyghur leaders such as Rebiya Kadeer mainly try to garner international support for the "rights and interests of the Uyghurs", including the right to demonstrate, although the Chinese government has accused her of orchestrating the deadly July 2009 Ürümqi riots". Have you ever been there? This is such a western view of the situation You're getting emotional . It's called having an opinion and I might be right or wrong. But you basically think you know everything so there's the difference . Oh I'm going to xinjang so that makes me an expert on all things Chinese , ya flog :lol: I clearly don't think I know everything but having read your posts for a long time I understand why you feel threatened by me. I'm sure there are people that know more about chinese politics on here than me too (in fact it'd be an interesting conversation to have with people that really understand) but I'm confident I know more than you, your multi and TSF about it. Edited by mcjules: 19/7/2016 05:53:35 PM You made absolute statements based on the fact that you had been there and live amongst the people and in one of your next posts it said you were going there. This post by azza, however, is a published piece. Did I? That's not my recollection but I'll go back and check. It's possible I missed a word somewhere in my posts. I don't actually dispute any of what Azza quoted but it is from wikipedia, not technically a "published piece". Checked the references. Its on the level from first glance. I don't think it was a word but it was how I interrupted what you were saying. I presume you meant interpreted rather than interrupted, yes you make the claim that I said I lived there and but I never did. I've been a proponent of Waleed's latest edict for a long time. I empathise with your situation. #sendForgivenessViral o:) Cheers for the correction. That verb shits me no end. Waleeds ignorance and down playing of significant attacks is a threat. He is a moron of the highest order.
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I look forward to seeing how hugging it out with Islamism will work out. :lol:
In other news, some bloke stabbed 4 people (inc. 3 children) in France for wearing revealing clothing. No surprises for guessing the religion of the perp.
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In other other news, US vetted " rebels"have beheaded a child they accused of being a palestinian militia fighter. The video of it is apparently very gruesome even by Syria standards so I wouldnt go and watch.
But apparently 5 men hold down the boy and taunt him while another decapitates him, the boy looks about 10.
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View from the fence wrote: wot? -PB
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Iridium1010 wrote:In other other news, US vetted " rebels"have beheaded a child they accused of being a palestinian militia fighter. The video of it is apparently very gruesome even by Syria standards so I wouldnt go and watch.
But apparently 5 men hold down the boy and taunt him while another decapitates him, the boy looks about 10. "Moderate rebels"
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote: wot? -PB Kim Kardashian killed her (with a tweet or something).
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paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote: wot? -PB Celebrity fued between Taylor swift, and Kim K and K west.
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Iridium1010 wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote: wot? -PB Celebrity fued between Taylor swift, and Kim K and K west. Clever graffiti artist, managed to get the name wrong
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