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Yeah not sure a whole lot of scouting went on, next camp maybe.
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https://northernnswfootball.com.au/high-performance/national-youth-championships/national-youth-championships-past-seasons/2018-ffa-national-youth-championships-for-boys-results/

A lot of the boys selected for this camp feature predominantly in goal scorers in the above link in the 14 years.
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Surprising it’s such a mix of clubs. Not all Melbourne city this time.
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A lot of junior national teams competing in the next few months, will be great to see how the teams stack up. Also heard the Young Socceroos are playing in the AFF too come August. 
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https://www.ffsa.com.au/news/2018-ffa-national-youth-championships-review

Young Bernardo Oliveira is the son of former Adelaide United Cassio. 


Also big ups to James Nieuwenhuizen for being selected from the GV Suns. I imagine it would've been a lot of effort from his parents to give him the opportunity for this.
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Joeys Head Coach Trevor Morgan today confirmed the 23 players he’s selected to represent Australia at the 2019 AFF U-15 Championship in Chonburi, Thailand.

Australia will take on hosts Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, and Brunei Darussalam in Group B of the competition.

Indonesia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Timor-Leste, Singapore, and Philippines will contest Group A, with the top two teams from each group advancing to the Semi-Finals of the tournament.


The Group Stage will commence on July 27, while the Final will be held on August 9.

“The 2019 AFF U-15 Championship represents the start of this Joeys age group’s journey to the FIFA U-17 World Cup in 2021,” Morgan said.

“With a minimum of five and up to seven international matches over the two weeks of the tournament, the AFF U-15 Championship will give the players selected a great introduction to international football.

READ MORE: Joeys learn opponents at FIFA U-17 World Cup Brazil 2019
ULTIMATE GUIDE: AFC qualifying draw for FIFA World Cup 2022 in Qatar

“Our time in Chonburi will also provide our staff with the chance to work on some key principles with the boys ahead of our 2020 AFC U-16 Championship qualifiers in Vietnam in September this year,” he said.

Ahead of the trip to Thailand the Joeys will hold a brief training camp in Narrabeen north of Sydney.

Seven additional players will join the camp in Narrabeen – Noah Gardner (South Hobart FC, TAS), Jake Girdwood-Reich (Sydney FC, NSW), Julian Monge (Western Sydney Wanderers FC, NSW), Josip Orlovic (Gk) (Sydney United, NSW), Alexander Trajanoski (Blacktown Spartans, NSW), Zac Waddell (Central Coast Mariners FC, NSW), and Jesper Webber (Western Sydney Wanderers FC, NSW).

Joeys 23-Player Squad | 2019 AFF U-15 Championship (27 July – 9 August 2019) | Chonburi, Thailand
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Club, State

Joseph CALUSIC

Sydney FC, New South Wales

Ethan COX (Gk)

FFSA NTC, South Australia

Jai CURRAN-NICHOLLS

Glen Eira FC, Victoria

Massimo D’ARGENIO

Moreland Zebras, Victoria

Kane GIBBS

Brisbane Roar FC, Queensland

Sebastian GOMEZ

Perth Glory FC, Western Australia

Daniel HELWEH

Marconi Stallions, New South Wales

George KARVOUNIS

Melbourne Victory, Victoria

Alessandro LOPANE

Western Sydney Wanderers FC, New South Wales

Lachlan MACDONALD

Sutherland Sharks FC, New South Wales

Alexander MENELAOU

Melbourne City FC, Victoria

Aiden MOSTOFI

Sydney FC, New South Wales

James NIEUWENHUIZEN (Gk)

Goulburn Valley Suns FC, Victoria

Bernardo OLIVEIRA

FFSA NTC, South Australia

Nicholas PANUCCIO

Western Sydney Wanderers FC, New South Wales

Jack PIRONE

Gold Coast United FC, Queensland

Paolo PUSATERI

Sydney FC, New South Wales

Joshua RAWLINS

Perth Glory FC, Western Australia

Matthew SCARCELLA

Western Sydney Wanderers FC, New South Wales

Adrian SEGECIC

Sydney FC, New South Wales

Clayton TAYLOR

Sydney FC, New South Wales

Aiki TSUKAMOTO

Perth Glory FC, Western Australia

Jack WARSHAWSKY (Gk)

Brisbane Roar FC, Queensland

Upcoming Matches – Joeys | 2019 AFF U-15 Championship | Chonburi, Thailand
Cambodia v Australia
Date: Sunday, 28 July 2019
Location: IPE Chonburi Stadium 2, Chonburi, Thailand
Kick-off: 3.30pm (local); 6.30pm (AEST)

Laos v Australia
Date: Tuesday, 30 July 2019
Location: IPE Chonburi Stadium 1, Chonburi, Thailand
Kick-off: 3.00pm (local); 6.00pm (AEST)

Australia v Malaysia
Date: Thursday, 1 August 2019
Location: IPE Chonburi Stadium 1, Chonburi, Thailand
Kick-off: 3.00pm (local); 6.00pm (AEST)

Australia v Thailand
Date: Saturday, 3 August 2019
Location: IPE Chonburi Stadium 1, Chonburi, Thailand
Kick-off: 6.00pm (local); 9.00pm (AEST)

Brunei Darussalam v Australia
Date: Monday, 5 August 2019
Location: IPE Chonburi Stadium 2, Chonburi, Thailand
Kick-off: 3.30pm (local); 6.30pm (AEST)
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Barca4Life - 12 Jun 2019 12:14 PM
GVE is not a good coach, sounds like Arnie giving one of his jobs to his mates.

Surely better options in the NPL set up.

That quote from Arnie is about 12 years years old...
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Ben Cahn or Arthur Papas should have that job.

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socceroo_06 - 12 Jun 2019 9:14 AM

100% this 

The fact that we drew with them through Ramy Najjarine's brilliant hit shows what could have been for our boys too if we qualified.

But i agree playing senior football is the key.
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GVE is not a good coach, sounds like Arnie giving one of his jobs to his mates.

Surely better options in the NPL set up.
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socceroo_06 - 12 Jun 2019 9:14 AM
Two things to think about:

1.
Korean U-20's just made the WC final with half their squad coming from K2 & University Teams. 

2. Whoever is the coach of the U-20's is a moot point. The kids need games both for club and country. Until this happens, we won't improve. 

100% this 
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Two things to think about:

1.
Korean U-20's just made the WC final with half their squad coming from K2 & University Teams. 

2. Whoever is the coach of the U-20's is a moot point. The kids need games both for club and country. Until this happens, we won't improve. 
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Atm, it should probably be something like

Arnold-Socceroos (same)
Montemurro-Matildas over Milicic
Muscat-U20 Socceroos over Milicic
Garriock-U20 Matildas over VanEgmond
Morgan-U17 Socceroos (same)
Andreatta-U17 Matildas over Dower


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It’s the same dudes FFA keeps passing around through all the jobs. 

It’s like musical chairs for Millicic and GVE. Used to be the same with Vidmar. Such uninspiring choices. 
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a really hope a 2nd division helps our coaching talent pool
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Oh hell no.
GVM is terrible but at least the u20 women now might have a chance of a good coach.
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 DAILYTELEGRAPH ›

Matildas assistant coach Gary van Egmond on verge of taking over the Young Socceroos

EMMA KEMPTHE DAILY TELEGRAPH JUNE 11, 2019The Daily Telegraph understands Football Federation Australia is in advanced talks with van Egmond to move him away from the women’s national set-up and into the men’s, though the shift has not yet been finalised.The 53-year-old, who also coaches the Young Matildas, has deputised with Australia’s national women’s team as Alen Stajcic’s right-hand man since 2015.Gary van Egmond is favoured to take over as coach of the Young Socceroos. Picture: Getty ImagesThe A-League-winning former Newcastle Jets coach and father of Matildas midfielder Emily van Egmond was one of the staff members to remain within the set-up after Stajcic’s controversial sacking in January.He has since guided the Young Matildas through the 2019 AFC U-19 Women's Championship qualification phase in Myanmar and overseen pre-World Cup training of the senior squad’s Australian-based players.Van Egmond is in France helping new coach Ante Milicic alongside fellow assistant Ivan Jolic. But the Young Socceroos job has been vacant since Milicic took on the Matildas in February, and FFA is keen to fill it before the start of a new Under-20 World Cup cycle, after the team last year failed to qualify for this year’s tournament in Poland.Slater's all-time FFA rantSocceroos and Olyroos coach Graham Arnold has, since as far back as his first Socceroos stint, expressed his desire to work with van Egmond.“I'm a good friend of Dutchy,” Arnold said in 2007. “I'm not a coach who wants to hide anything from other coaches and Dutchy's a good young Aussie coach.“I'd like, if possible. for him to come into camp and for us to pass on our knowledge to him.”It’s unclear who would replace van Egmond at the Matildas, with Milicic to see the team through until the 2020 Olympics, should they qualify.Brisbane Roar W-League coach Mel Andreatta and Canberra United coach Heather Garriock have acted as assistant and both have the credentials.The Young Matildas role would also have to be filled. https://outline.com/q6B2ew
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Does anyone know when the draw for January’s 2020 AFC U-23 Championship in Thailand takes place?

We are seeded terribly in Pot 3 so really need to hope for a favourable draw.
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Ds98 - 4 Jun 2019 3:46 PM
JDB03 - 4 Jun 2019 11:49 AM

I don't see why not... I was thinking overall this could be an Australia wide thing, even then i suppose those guys would still make it. But definitely.

Whilst Gallop is the CEO of the FFA nothing will happen. He is a penny-pitching lawyer who is overpaid for what he does which is attend bug tournement and games and appointing mates to work for the FFA.
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JDB03 - 4 Jun 2019 11:49 AM
Zoltan - 4 Jun 2019 9:38 AM

Would players like Metcalfe Najjarime najjar Pierias Delinov cavallo Atkinson be allowed to play since there all under 20? There's a few more from victory squad I'd ask to play also v the npl U20's.

I don't see why not... I was thinking overall this could be an Australia wide thing, even then i suppose those guys would still make it. But definitely.

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Zoltan - 4 Jun 2019 9:38 AM
JoyfulPenguin - 3 Jun 2019 7:34 PM

How about the FFA arrange a regular NPL select vs A-League select games to see the truth. 

So u20 NPL vic Select vs U20 A-League select....

Would players like Metcalfe Najjarime najjar Pierias Delinov cavallo Atkinson be allowed to play since there all under 20? There's a few more from victory squad I'd ask to play also v the npl U20's.
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Zoltan - 4 Jun 2019 9:38 AM
JoyfulPenguin - 3 Jun 2019 7:34 PM

How about the FFA arrange a regular NPL select vs A-League select games to see the truth. 

So u20 NPL vic Select vs U20 A-League select....

I honestly believe that an NPL 'all-stars' U20 vs an A-League U20's (Young Socceroo's) team would be a brilliant way for the scouts to see see how much of a gap there is between the two competitions. I think you'd find that the NPL team would take it right up to the AL team.

We talk about how divided the game is in Australia, and there is no connection from AL to grassroots, well the FFA cup was sort of one move in the right direction. But this would be an even bigger step.  Have a few camps over the season.

Midway through writing this I remembered that the two seasons don't even line up. So theres the first major setback for those plans.


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I agree mate, we need to be giving players an opportunity in a national youth team. Players like Marafioti and others deserve their chance, there is an 18 year old starting for Pascoe Vale every week, would be good to see him given an opportunity considering the thread bare options past Folami in the Young Socceroos. We really need to make our youth national team camps bigger and encourage more players to keep trying, as I am sure it is so easy to get discouraged and give up if you feel like you are going nowhere.

How about the FFA arrange a regular NPL select vs A-League select games to see the truth. 

So u20 NPL vic Select vs U20 A-League select....
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Bowden - 3 Jun 2019 8:04 PM
I’d love to see some AUS v NZ friendlies organised at U20 and U23 level. 

At every level (u13 up) at least two times per year. Lets have a gala day! One home one away. 
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It must have been back in Oceania days. We played NZ very often at youth level seemingly having quarterly matches. It was always on sbs. 
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Bowden - 3 Jun 2019 8:04 PM
I’d love to see some AUS v NZ friendlies organised at U20 and U23 level. 

Same, wish we played more games with the New Zealand national teams in general.

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I’d love to see some AUS v NZ friendlies organised at U20 and U23 level. 
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Ds98 - 3 Jun 2019 1:49 PM
Here's one from left field.

I've been watching mostly all the NPL games streamed by the various NPL's on FB and YT.

I honestly think the bulk of our U19's U20's NT squads could come from these teams playing in high stakes high pressure games and we'd be better off.

I've seen some pretty talented players over the last few months, those of whom have now played a couple of senior games for their respective teams, but won't get picked up because they are now effectively too old to get picked up by any AL academy.   The majority of the guys playing in these games would be 18-19 and their next step is only to play NPL seniors, or if they have an absolute blinder of a season maybe just maybe could get picked up by an AL team. 

I think Dejan Pandurevic, was picked to play at an U20's tournament whilst playing for Manly, and I'm pretty sure Giordano Marafioti was chosen to go to a camp for the U19's a couple of years ago whilst playing for South Melbourne. I'd like to see us actually embrace the fact we actually do have another football competition that arguably does a better job at nurturing players for the 'World game' and not the one we have in OZ atm. 

What do others think? should we be looking at NPL senior players for underage National teams? (excluding Joeys (U15's - U17's))

EDIT: Obviously players not playing in AL academies in NPL as well. 

I agree mate, we need to be giving players an opportunity in a national youth team. Players like Marafioti and others deserve their chance, there is an 18 year old starting for Pascoe Vale every week, would be good to see him given an opportunity considering the thread bare options past Folami in the Young Socceroos. We really need to make our youth national team camps bigger and encourage more players to keep trying, as I am sure it is so easy to get discouraged and give up if you feel like you are going nowhere.

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chondro - 3 Jun 2019 4:57 PM
Nz would beat our u20?

Off the top of my head, the starting 11 would have looked something like...

/Delianov/
/Atkinson/Ouzonidis/Mourdokoutas/Cordier/
/Pasquali/Metcalfe/
/Najjarine/Genreau/Arzani/
/Folami/



I never said we lack in talent but i just think the Kiwis right now could beat us on their good day, i think we under underestimated the talent they have.

Some of these guys like Just, Bell, Pijaker would good enough to play in the a-league.
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Barca4Life - 3 Jun 2019 10:31 AM

What makes you say that ? I recon we could pick 2 squads from Aus U 20s that would beat NZ next week.
NZ path to these finals is pretty simple , Aus on the other hand are faced with the very Tough Asian groups , chalk and cheese tbh .
people love to stick the boot into Aus underage teams (sometimes warranted) but I would back them any day of the week v the Kiwis .

No disrespect to our lads but as much i rate some of these guys, but in the last 10 to 15 years or so we have struggled to make win a game let alone do what the Kiwis have done which is make the 2nd round and get very close to a quarter or potential semi-final based on who they are up against later.
(Last time we won a game was in 2003 against the might of Brazil).

We have struggled in Asia for a reason and have not done enough to rectify these problems, of course, an easier route to the world cup helps but when we got there the kiwis have the runs on the board in recent times with results.

We need to do alot better but i have my doubts if anything is done about it.
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