No surprise to see you jump on that complete beat up of a story :lol:

I think it's a stretch that they would make the whole thing up, including fabricating the mystery "insider" and supposedly targeting that particular school in a vacuum. If there was no truth to this story then the school could've come out a lot harder and accused the media of lying, but they didn't do that instead they issued a wimpy "we will continue to refer to student's as girls".

Of course the notion that every article News Corp publishes is a lie designed to boost subscriptions is hysterical, paranoid nonsense. Given that Guardian ran with the mediscare lie it can hardly be accused of being bias free.

So I take it you're anti 18C?

I know Christians who think homosexuality is a disease, that the earth is 6000 years old and that Noah built a giant wooden ship. These same Christians think it is imperative that their draconian religion be taught in schools to indoctrinate children.

I have a muslim mate and I didn't know he was a muslim until he wrote his middle name. He came on our ski trip to New Zealand and we had a great time. The only difference was he didn't drink on nights out (permanent deso). He prayed at night. His religion did not at any stage affect our holiday.

Disclaimer: I know everyone likes to say they have a muslim mate. If you really want to fact check me i'll link you to his facebook :roll:

That's great you have a Muslim mate , and most Muslims are nice and peaceful people, not so much because of their religion but because most people are pre wired for common decency. The problem isn't with your mate or even the majority of Muslims, the problem is with a particular interpretation of Islam that is quite rigid, oppressive, archaic, violent, fascist and the cornerstone of some countries in the ME. This interpretation doesn't always manifest in terrorism or related activities, but it is intrinsically incompatible with the values, customs and laws of our country. Therefore as a sovereign nation we ought to decide who should be resettled and if they don't meet our standards for acceptance and integration they should be turned away in favour of those who do buy into our way of life. I dont think this is racist just common sense and necessary for our security and protection of our multicultural identity.

No, but I think it could be worded better. The reality is this section isn't being used in a way to affect freedom of speech.

When Bolt got prosecuted, he could just as easily have been pursued under libel laws.

Its a falsehood to claim that 18C is causing any problems related to freedom of speech.

What garbage. The law is being used to prosecute a group of QUT students who merely wanted to use a university computer lab, got turned away for being white and complained about it on facebook. Even complaining these days about facing racial discrimination can result in being prosecuted.

Your inherent problem is the assumption that muslims are a homogenous grouping, or that islam as a religion is a singular entity.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/qut-student-faces-200000-bill-in-facebook-post-racism-row-20160415-go7951.html

Except it is a bit more complex than that.

They are being sued. Anyone can bring legal action against anyone else. So it isn't established whether the courts will even allow the action to proceed to trial.

Also, under the Act, complaints have to go through a conciliation process before court action proceeds. The students allege that they weren't advised of this. So the issue about legal costs could have been addressed via the conciliation process.

Also, that is why I posted that the legislation could be worded better. But we will soon see whether this matter even proceeds to trial.

And part of the complaint was about posting the phrase "ITT Ni**ers". I understand the defendant is stating vehemently that he did not state this, but the post was made by someone, so it isn't just about "complaining about being turned away".

"Under the Racial Discrimination Act, complainants must go through a conciliation process before a Federal Court action can be launched and the Human Rights Commission says more than half of all section 18C cases have been resolved at that level.

But the students were not made aware of the complaint until days before a final conference with the commission, despite the matter having been underway for 12 months, and Mr Wood claims a QUT lawyer told him he did not need to attend.

QUT's law firm, Minter Ellison, admits one of its solicitors told Mr Wood his presence was not required but denies she discouraged him from attending".


Edited by AzzaMarch: 21/7/2016 11:14:16 AM

Further to my last post, the issue stems more from the actions of the AHRC, rather than the legislation itself:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/triggs-hrc-accused-of-shameful-conduct-in-18c-students-case/news-story/54565410fa226b60b076ed25e8c62571


Human Rights Commission staff and president Gillian Triggs were accused in a racial hatred case yesterday of “stooping” to a ­regrettable low in a desperate ­attempt to “avoid scrutiny of their shameful conduct” against university students.

In an escalating row between the students, indigenous staff member Cindy Prior, who ejected them from their Queensland University of Technology’s “culturally safe” computer lab ­because they were white, and the commission, the human rights body is coming under unprecedented scrutiny.

Disclosures of the commission’s internal workings in dozens of pages of documents, obtained under Freedom of Information and showing the handling of Ms Prior’s Racial Discrimination Act complaint against the students, were cited by Brisbane barrister Tony Morris QC in a scathing legal attack launched yesterday.

Professor Triggs last week urged independent barrister Angus Stewart SC to stop investigations into the complaints by students Calum Thwaites, Jackson Powell and Alex Wood that their human rights had been ­“flagrantly” breached by the ­commission.

Professor Triggs in a 30-page legal rebuttal described the formal complaints of the students, who allege that the human rights body has botched the case, as “purely speculative”, “lacking in substance” and ­“misconceived”.

The students are accused of ­racial hatred for writing Facebook posts which caused offence to Ms Prior after she had turned them away from the computer lab in the Oodgeroo Unit in May 2013. Ms Prior went on stress leave and is seeking more than $250,000 damages after not working for almost all of the past three years.

Mr Morris, in a damning reply yesterday, revealed that Mr Thwaites had recently abandoned his study to become a schoolteacher because he was concerned the taint on his reputation from being accused of racial hatred under the controversial section 18c would make him unemployable. The lawyer described a ­“besetting irony” in Professor Triggs’s reasons for seeking to terminate the students’ complaints that their human rights were breached, given the commission had permitted to advance to the Federal Circuit what he described as the “hopeless” case of Ms Prior.

Mr Morris said it was wrong and unjust that an “utterly unmeritorious complaint” by Ms Prior had attracted from the Human Rights Commission “greater forbearance and leniency than the grave and serious complaints by the (students)”. The students were “not permitted to enjoy the same substantive rights as those which the Human Rights Commission now insists should be applied in its favour”.

He said the commission had “applied more time, effort and ­resources — all paid for by the taxpayer — in scrutinising and criticising the present complaints (by the students), all in the space of less than two months, than it ­applied to the Prior complaint in the period of roughly 15 months”.

“The nature of the allegations made by Ms Prior, even if those ­allegations were ultimately to be dismissed, had the capacity to inflict long-term and devastating ­injury to the reputations of seven young tertiary students, and the very real potential to jeopardise their future employment prospects,” Mr Morris said.

The three students still in the case have refused to pay Ms Prior any of the money her lawyers were demanding, while four ­others who were named in her original litigation made private settlements.

Mr Powell is being sued ­because after being told by Ms Prior to leave the computer lab he posted on Facebook “I wonder where the white supremacist computer lab is”. Mr Wood is being sued because he wrote: “Just got kicked out of the unsigned ­indigenous computer room. QUT stopping segregation with segregation.” Mr Thwaites has insisted since 2013 that he was a victim of identity theft with a false Facebook account in his name and the post: “ITT ni**ers.’’

Professor Triggs and the commission are now accused of fearing “a risk of embarrassment” that they will be found to have breached the students’ human rights.

If you read my post carefully you would see that I was actually stating the opposite

It should be noted that Islam teaches Muslims to be loyal to their place of residence and respect the laws of that country

It also teaches to slay infidels, apostates and homosexuals etc

Russ you're getting schooled left, right and centre. Maybe if you widened your sources of information you wouldn't sound like the lovechild of Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones.

Problem is that such a small fraction become extremists, but that small fraction is more than enough to cause all the media fear and separation in society.

-PB

Yes, tax law in combination with a cultural obsession has created vast wealth in one asset class.
As well as social considerations, pushing investment into more productive areas would bring benefits.
Australia has many policy examples that reward people irrespective of productivity.

The fact is those whom yearn for shariah, sympathise with terrorists, think homosexuals should be assassinated and want Australia to become an Islamic country represent a far greater proportion of the Muslim community than you would like to admit. It doesn't mean they are all going to become terrorists but it does mean many may struggle to assimilate, find suitable jobs and become resentful towards our way of life which might lead a few towards terrorism, or financing terrorism, or going to fight for ISIS. I'm not one to bury my head in the sand and pretend if we play nice with such a demented archaic ideology that love and kindness will always prevail.

People should remember what happened in Iran....it really speaks for itself .

But they will argue that it was an extreme minority who took over the country and the vast majority love and adore the west and its freedoms. Or they will just blame America.

I have a friend that is Iranian, she was telling me that a lot of stuff like parties and drinking happens underground

No doubt about it.

Look at the expert ;) :lol:

Firstly, Iranians (and specifically the ruling class there) are Shia, not Sunni. The current terrorist attacks committed by ISIS and those inspired by ISIS, are Sunni.

Secondly, 3 years ago the CIA publically admitted their role in the 1953 coup, which deposed the democratically elected Prime Minister, and installed the absolute monarch the Shah.

The US then kept him in place (because he had no natural base of support) until the revolution 26 years later.

So they are directly implicated, and hold some level of responsibility, for what happened in Iran.

Never said I was one...but look who's talking , with his Chinese credentials thinking hes big shit.

Edited by Socawho: 21/7/2016 04:55:20 PM

I never said I was an expert either. Oh the irony :lol:

So youve never stepped foot in a uni

I guess it makes people accountable for their opinions across all platforms and in a way, addresses trolling.

Next time Pauline Hanson is in town we should all go down to wait for ANTIFA and wait for them to start mouthing of anti-white sentiment :lol:

I watched some 20-year old whinge about how "white factory workers from Ipswich" got Pauline Hanson elected :lol:

Ok then

Much of Pauline's supporters are hypocrites too...they say foreigners are taking their jobs...so I'd be keen to see how many of them would be willing to work at 7-11 or McDonalds , but they will come back with the argument that the pay is too shit

That's the point dude.

Wages are kept low due to mass immigration.