The biggest outrage here is how these juvenile delinquents are portrayed as sweet little innocent victims of sadistic government oppression. There are two sides to every story, and I bet the guards have copped endless more abuse, threats and fecal matter than they have dished out. Although the images might seem shocking to us I bet in that environment where normal human conduct and standards don't apply that the measures the guards have taken aren't all that unusual. After all what else do you do with a kid who is destroying his cell and possibly a threat to the lives of the guards, it's not like you can just hold his hand take him for a walk outside.

Can you believe there are actually people arguing to end juvenile detention, as if you can just sit these brats down and have a stern one on one talk with them and they will suddenly become responsible adults? It doesn't work like that. Many of these kids are violent kids in youth and will become violent in adulthood. They will kill, rape and rob people, despite all the ineffective intervention strategies and confected public sympathy for their cause. They might be kids but that doesn't negate responsibility. I thought it was disgraceful that four concerns would imply that these kids aren't responsible or their actions and it's all the fault of evil white government.

What rubbish. No one is making out that "these juvenile delinquents are portrayed as sweet little innocent victims".

Their crimes are irrelevant to the treatment dished out.

Hahahaha it gets better, the guy they're putting in to replace him (Adam Giles) had come up with this pearler years ago when asked about becoming corrections minister one day;



Can't make this shit up :lol:

-PB

What rubbish. No one is making out that "these juvenile delinquents are portrayed as sweet little innocent victims".

Their crimes are irrelevant to the treatment dished out.

Disrespectful little shits coping some tough love. Maybe that's what we need down here.

Mustn't be any donors on the payroll.

The interviews, you could already see they weee broken kids. Broken people.

The interviews, you could already see they weee broken kids. Broken people.

The biggest outrage here is how these juvenile delinquents are portrayed as sweet little innocent victims of sadistic government oppression. There are two sides to every story, and I bet the guards have copped endless more abuse, threats and fecal matter than they have dished out. Although the images might seem shocking to us I bet in that environment where normal human conduct and standards don't apply that the measures the guards have taken aren't all that unusual. After all what else do you do with a kid who is destroying his cell and possibly a threat to the lives of the guards, it's not like you can just hold his hand take him for a walk outside.

Can you believe there are actually people arguing to end juvenile detention, as if you can just sit these brats down and have a stern one on one talk with them and they will suddenly become responsible adults? It doesn't work like that. Many of these kids are violent kids in youth and will become violent in adulthood. They will kill, rape and rob people, despite all the ineffective intervention strategies and confected public sympathy for their cause. They might be kids but that doesn't negate responsibility. I thought it was disgraceful that four concerns would imply that these kids aren't responsible or their actions and it's all the fault of evil white government.

Normally disagree with most of what you put up here but I'm on your side here.

What everyone seems to ignore is this is the end result not the beginning. Even the gitmo thing was handled quite well if you watch the video. Not once were the guards abusive during that exchange.

Thats the only part of 4 corners when they werent being abusive #-o

And this is the end result of a failed system

I hope the cunt who killed his brother, Kieran Loveridge, is being forced to snuggle up to a big guy called Chester every night in his northern NSW jail cell, but anyone who has abused the family over the lock out laws is a disgusting dog too.

He was catatonic when they came back 2 hours later ffs.

-PB

What rubbish. No one is making out that "these juvenile delinquents are portrayed as sweet little innocent victims".

Their crimes are irrelevant to the treatment dished out.

The clip does not show that at all. The voice over says 'almost catatonic'. (How would she know?) The guard asks him 'are you a lot calmer'. He says 'yes'.

He then says 'how are you looking at spending the rest of your night, nice and quiet?, not much fun eh?'

He says 'no.'

So stop making shit up.

Catatonia is a state of neurogenic motor immobility and behavioral abnormality manifested by stupor (the lack of critical mental function and a level of consciousness wherein a sufferer is almost entirely unresponsive and only responds to base stimuli such as pain).

Looked like he met that definition which is why the reporter used those words.

How else would you describe his state in order to try and fit your reasoning behind all of this?

He was simply just calmed down? Guess that worked well for him, better stop him from self harming by doing something equally as bad.

Wonder why he's self harming? Wouldn't have something to do with all the abuse he's copping?

"So stop making shit up" :lol:

-PB

This.

Completely disregarded the entire post as soon as that statement was made.

-PB

Simply watch 4 corners

Whingers got their way today with the proposed Judge having to exclude himself for perceived conflicts of interest.

Interesting press conference whereby amongst other reasons he stated that his daughter has been copping all sorts of abuse since his appointment. Just charming.

Whingers and haters 1 - justice system 0

Because his daughter worked for the previous governments Attorney General, surely she must have been the one torturing these children....... :roll:

this commission may well run for a few decades....

Until we have an indigenous judge, the bleeding hearts will continue their feral purge.

Because his daughter worked for the previous governments Attorney General, surely she must have been the one torturing these children....... :roll:

Until we have an indigenous judge, the bleeding hearts will continue their feral purge.

Do you have any understanding of conflict of interest?

It doesn't mean the person has to have done anything wrong. No one has said that.

Its standard practice to recuse oneself where a potential conflict of interest exists. I would have thought a direct family member having worked for a govt dept which will likely be directly implicated in some of the Royal Commission proceedings, would easily qualify as a conflict of interest to take into account.

Its not about bleeding hearts. Its about ensuring an impartial investigation takes place.

Do you have any understanding of conflict of interest?

It doesn't mean the person has to have done anything wrong. No one has said that.

Its standard practice to recuse oneself where a potential conflict of interest exists. I would have thought a direct family member having worked for a govt dept which will likely be directly implicated in some of the Royal Commission proceedings, would easily qualify as a conflict of interest to take into account.

Its not about bleeding hearts. Its about ensuring an impartial investigation takes place.

That's true. My comment was more about the abuse that she was copping because he got appointed.

All these, I'm assuming, hand-wringers, slagging her off because he was appointed. Argue the appointment if you want to but why she had to cop it I don't know.