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luckee wrote:BETHFC wrote:luckee wrote:rusty wrote:grazorblade wrote:well this thread got derailed.....
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of all the terrorist attacks over the last few years how many have been from immigrants? Nearly all were born in a western country. That speaks of an alienation of a community that is making them open to propaganda. Shutting down muslim immigration would definitely add to that alienation. Seeing a bikini on the beach might be annoying to a muslim but the level of crazy it takes to listen to violent propaganda saying muslims are violently oppressed after seeing a bikini is much much higher than the level of crazy it takes if your community is marginalised.
If it took that level of crazy to cause a terror attack, well all communities have their crazies but we will be in a much better position
Add to that that it is wrong to marginalise a community anyway. ...
If muslims get banned from immigration I would expect more terrorist attacks from muslim australian citizens not less. Thats not even taking into account the moral problem of discriminating that way
There has to be more to it than "alienation". You might say aboriginals and black africans are far more marginalised than Muslims but they are not going around detonating bombs. Perhaps alienation is a factor, but it is a cause or an effect or radical Islamic ideology? It will be difficult for the mainstream community to accept people who cover their faces, believe homosexuals and apostates should be executed, and that the west are at fault for all the bad things happening in the middle east, so if alienation combined with ideology is pushing people towards terrorism then it begs the question of whether it is counter productive to resettle these people? I dont buy the rhetoric that if we stop resettling these people then it will cause more terrorism, the key is to having confidence in the muslims already here and the new ones we bring in, and if continue to bring in radicals that dont accept our values and attack us then it undermines that social cohesion and confidence which is the catalyst for alienation, and viscous cycle ensues. Im not advocating a blanket ban on Muslims , just more stringent character checks to assess whether the people we resettle are going to participate in our democracy and buy into Team Australia values. If the Islamic community cant accept this sensible sovereign right of ours then im afraid our relations are beyond fractured. Edited by rusty: 27/7/2016 10:50:47 AM Only a fool would say that alienation is the cause of terrorism but if you want less of the new generation born in europe to pursue a radical path then you surely must look social factors such as racism and marginalisation, even if the Muslim leaders make your job hard. If you are from Europe then you will know that there is so much racism and bigotry. Living in Australia you cannot imagine how widespread it is, against all sorts of ethnicities and minor groups. Some times the resentment will build up and manifest in petty crime, sometimes riots, sometimes much worse. There is racism and bigotry everywhere. For some reason people seem to think it's more abhorrent when white people/westerns are guilty of it. Do potential employers need to employ muslims first to ensure they're not marginalised or alienated? How do you actually stop them being marginalised? Make saying mean things illegal? How to stop it? It takes years, generations likely. An example is the very slowly improving attitudes to toward the Roma in Europe. These people are not saints, many have contributed to their poverty but the way they have been treated as one group - broadly discriminated against is terrible. If people refuse to employ those who looking for work then how do they ever incorporate into society? Nobody wins. But through more public awareness, attitudes are improving. I'm not saying don't employ them. What if they are highly qualified but have bad English/communication skills? We reject anyone who can't speak English properly because our Clients will not tolerate it. We have a Bosnian employee who has been here for 20 years, his English is good but not perfect. We have trouble with some clients because of his communication. Bleeding hearts will tell me that it's racist. It's just business. Being the most qualified person doesn't make you the most employable.
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luckee wrote:Only a fool would say that alienation is the cause of terrorism but if you want less of the new generation born in europe to pursue a radical path then you surely must look social factors such as racism and marginalisation, even if the Muslim leaders make your job hard.
If you are from Europe then you will know that there is so much racism and bigotry. Living in Australia you cannot imagine how widespread it is, against all sorts of ethnicities and minor groups.
Some times the resentment will build up and manifest in petty crime, sometimes riots, sometimes much worse. But first you would need to identify that racism and marginalisation are major causes for radicalism. This is an allegation I dont accept to be true. Australia and the west generally in my opinion is a highly tolerant country and there is no widespread rejection of other ethnicities and minorities, let alone of the individual perpetrators of terror. The San Bernadinho terrorist was in fact an employed person, hardly a good candidate for societal marginalisation. I believe that allegations that the west is responsible for radicalism through our widespread alienation is a form of self flagellation and virtue signalling, as if assuming the responsibility for the evils of the world somehow elevates our humanity and makes us more enlightened or something. Or its a form of stockholm syndrome, if we apologise and grovel enough to our captors they will go easy on us. Dont you think that constantly reinforcing the notion that the west is racist and the causes of most evil is perhaps also promoting marginalistion and terror? Why would these people want to join us when we are constantly reminding them of all our sins? I would prefer that we defend our values and stick up for ourselves, its a shame that we are not we cannot do this anymore as it might make muslims upset and radicalise them.
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Toughlove wrote:BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:Discrimination and alienation is a factor in terrorism, it's not the only factor and I don't think grazorblade believes that to be the case. I took his comments as his opinion on the effectiveness of blanket banning immigration of muslim people. Of course not mentioning in every post that "Islam is the worst religion in history" leaves you open to being an "apologist" and a bunch of other people that try and act tough as if they're "doing something to fix things". This argument would have more power if they were the only group facing discrimination and alienation. I think that's why there is a negative reaction to this point. It's so easy to say "well why aren't Africans who are forced to sell key rings on the streets of Paris" blowing people up"? Exactly. Muslims are special cases apparently according to Grazor and others. If you ask me that's patronising garbage. Can't believe how many people want to make excuses for this behaviour. I got flogged as a kid, how come I'm not blowing shit up? Did they tell you Allah's disappointment was the reason for you flogging? -PB
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:rusty wrote:grazorblade wrote:well this thread got derailed.....
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of all the terrorist attacks over the last few years how many have been from immigrants? Nearly all were born in a western country. That speaks of an alienation of a community that is making them open to propaganda. Shutting down muslim immigration would definitely add to that alienation. Seeing a bikini on the beach might be annoying to a muslim but the level of crazy it takes to listen to violent propaganda saying muslims are violently oppressed after seeing a bikini is much much higher than the level of crazy it takes if your community is marginalised.
If it took that level of crazy to cause a terror attack, well all communities have their crazies but we will be in a much better position
Add to that that it is wrong to marginalise a community anyway. ...
If muslims get banned from immigration I would expect more terrorist attacks from muslim australian citizens not less. Thats not even taking into account the moral problem of discriminating that way
There has to be more to it than "alienation". You might say aboriginals and black africans are far more marginalised than Muslims but they are not going around detonating bombs. Perhaps alienation is a factor, but it is a cause or an effect or radical Islamic ideology? It will be difficult for the mainstream community to accept people who cover their faces, believe homosexuals and apostates should be executed, and that the west are at fault for all the bad things happening in the middle east, so if alienation combined with ideology is pushing people towards terrorism then it begs the question of whether it is counter productive to resettle these people? I dont buy the rhetoric that if we stop resettling these people then it will cause more terrorism, the key is to having confidence in the muslims already here and the new ones we bring in, and if continue to bring in radicals that dont accept our values and attack us then it undermines that social cohesion and confidence which is the catalyst for alienation, and viscous cycle ensues. Im not advocating a blanket ban on Muslims , just more stringent character checks to assess whether the people we resettle are going to participate in our democracy and buy into Team Australia values. If the Islamic community cant accept this sensible sovereign right of ours then im afraid our relations are beyond fractured. Edited by rusty: 27/7/2016 10:50:47 AM Only a fool would say that alienation is the cause of terrorism but if you want less of the new generation born in europe to pursue a radical path then you surely must look social factors such as racism and marginalisation, even if the Muslim leaders make your job hard. If you are from Europe then you will know that there is so much racism and bigotry. Living in Australia you cannot imagine how widespread it is, against all sorts of ethnicities and minor groups. Some times the resentment will build up and manifest in petty crime, sometimes riots, sometimes much worse. Bloody oath resentment is building up. Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I am European. I feel racism and have been a victim, obviously not as much as Aboriginals, or Muslims and other groups. It's more under the table kind of racism. It's institutionalized and people don't see it unless you fall victim to it. Today, I called the AEC and told them I want forms to remove myself from the electoral rolls in protest. They couldn't argue with the reasons I gave because they know that what I said is TRUE! I literally feel ashamed. Not in my name will I participate because that makes me as bad as those criminal prison guards. Sorry, but Australia is way behind Europe and most Western Countries. In Greece, people are sharing their groceries with Syrian Refugees. and our young people are swimming out to sea to save people from capsized and very dangerous boats. I'm sorry, but Australia is not that great of a country. Total trash! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 12:56:04 PM :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: -PB
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luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Austria and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:49:39 PM
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paulbagzFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:rusty wrote:grazorblade wrote:well this thread got derailed.....
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of all the terrorist attacks over the last few years how many have been from immigrants? Nearly all were born in a western country. That speaks of an alienation of a community that is making them open to propaganda. Shutting down muslim immigration would definitely add to that alienation. Seeing a bikini on the beach might be annoying to a muslim but the level of crazy it takes to listen to violent propaganda saying muslims are violently oppressed after seeing a bikini is much much higher than the level of crazy it takes if your community is marginalised.
If it took that level of crazy to cause a terror attack, well all communities have their crazies but we will be in a much better position
Add to that that it is wrong to marginalise a community anyway. ...
If muslims get banned from immigration I would expect more terrorist attacks from muslim australian citizens not less. Thats not even taking into account the moral problem of discriminating that way
There has to be more to it than "alienation". You might say aboriginals and black africans are far more marginalised than Muslims but they are not going around detonating bombs. Perhaps alienation is a factor, but it is a cause or an effect or radical Islamic ideology? It will be difficult for the mainstream community to accept people who cover their faces, believe homosexuals and apostates should be executed, and that the west are at fault for all the bad things happening in the middle east, so if alienation combined with ideology is pushing people towards terrorism then it begs the question of whether it is counter productive to resettle these people? I dont buy the rhetoric that if we stop resettling these people then it will cause more terrorism, the key is to having confidence in the muslims already here and the new ones we bring in, and if continue to bring in radicals that dont accept our values and attack us then it undermines that social cohesion and confidence which is the catalyst for alienation, and viscous cycle ensues. Im not advocating a blanket ban on Muslims , just more stringent character checks to assess whether the people we resettle are going to participate in our democracy and buy into Team Australia values. If the Islamic community cant accept this sensible sovereign right of ours then im afraid our relations are beyond fractured. Edited by rusty: 27/7/2016 10:50:47 AM Only a fool would say that alienation is the cause of terrorism but if you want less of the new generation born in europe to pursue a radical path then you surely must look social factors such as racism and marginalisation, even if the Muslim leaders make your job hard. If you are from Europe then you will know that there is so much racism and bigotry. Living in Australia you cannot imagine how widespread it is, against all sorts of ethnicities and minor groups. Some times the resentment will build up and manifest in petty crime, sometimes riots, sometimes much worse. Bloody oath resentment is building up. Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I am European. I feel racism and have been a victim, obviously not as much as Aboriginals, or Muslims and other groups. It's more under the table kind of racism. It's institutionalized and people don't see it unless you fall victim to it. Today, I called the AEC and told them I want forms to remove myself from the electoral rolls in protest. They couldn't argue with the reasons I gave because they know that what I said is TRUE! I literally feel ashamed. Not in my name will I participate because that makes me as bad as those criminal prison guards. Sorry, but Australia is way behind Europe and most Western Countries. In Greece, people are sharing their groceries with Syrian Refugees. and our young people are swimming out to sea to save people from capsized and very dangerous boats. I'm sorry, but Australia is not that great of a country. Total trash! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 12:56:04 PM :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: -PB I take these types of issues very seriously. But as I said, I can't change anything really but I can register a protest. If thousands more or even a million or 2 did the same, then there will be change. If not, then there will be a Royal Commission, and pretty much nothing will change wrt to racism and the treatment of Aborigines and others.
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment.
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. Yes certainly! Hungary is pretty racist, same with FYROM. Croatia which I have been to is pretty good from what I've seen. Serbia is also pretty good, but they do have problems with Fundamentalist Islamists like France. Either way, I have not heard either of these countries gassing and torturing prisoners. Last time prisoners were being gassed was when the Germans were doing it in WW2. Gobsmacked! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:43:38 PM
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. Yes certainly! Hungary is pretty racist, same with FYROM. Croatia which I have been to is pretty good from what I've seen. Serbia is also pretty good, but they do have problems with Fundamentalist Islamists like France. Either way, I have not heard either of these countries gassing and torturing prisoners. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:39:38 PM How is torturing prisoners related to racism? Funnily enough the most racist country I went to in Europe 5 years ago was Greece :lol;
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. Yes certainly! Hungary is pretty racist, same with FYROM. Croatia which I have been to is pretty good from what I've seen. Serbia is also pretty good, but they do have problems with Fundamentalist Islamists like France. Either way, I have not heard either of these countries gassing and torturing prisoners. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:39:38 PM How is torturing prisoners related to racism? Funnily enough the most racist country I went to in Europe 5 years ago was Greece :lol; Really? Also the most welcoming, and earthy of them all. Greeks are not racist, not as much as Aussies are and the evidence for this is in Lesbos everyday when Greek Pensioners sit on park benches with Syrian Refugees. The police are there to protect them from a few Golden dawn wankers which is Greece's version of Stormfront or One Nation, or even UKIP in the UK. People, ordinary citizens defending them, holding Syrian Babies to feed them or to bring them unused clothes, toys and teddy bears. Which prisoners are being tortured? Mostly Aboriginals are they? And you can hear guards in the background laughing at them FFS!
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. Yes certainly! Hungary is pretty racist, same with FYROM. Croatia which I have been to is pretty good from what I've seen. Serbia is also pretty good, but they do have problems with Fundamentalist Islamists like France. Either way, I have not heard either of these countries gassing and torturing prisoners. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:39:38 PM How is torturing prisoners related to racism? Funnily enough the most racist country I went to in Europe 5 years ago was Greece :lol; Really? Also the most welcoming, and earthy of them all. Greeks are not racist, not as much as Aussies are and the evidence for this is in Lesbos everyday when Greek Pensioners sit on park benches with Syrian Refugees. The police are there to protect them from a few Golden dawn wankers which is Greece's version of Stormfront or One Nation, or even UKIP in the UK. People, ordinary citizens defending them, holding Syrian Babies to feed them or to bring them unused clothes, toys and teddy bears. Which prisoners are being tortured? Mostly Aboriginals are they? And you can hear guards in the background laughing at them FFS! You're Greek. You wouldn't admit Greeks were racist if they walked down the street with Swastikas.
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BETH FC wrote:What if they are highly qualified but have bad English/communication skills? We reject anyone who can't speak English properly because our Clients will not tolerate it. I think that is fair. Migrants need to develop language skills to access the best opportunities but should be helped with this. rusty wrote:But first you would need to identify that racism and marginalisation are major causes for radicalism. This is an allegation I dont accept to be true. Australia and the west generally in my opinion is a highly tolerant country and there is no widespread rejection of other ethnicities and minorities, let alone of the individual perpetrators of terror. I agree the west is fairly tolerant, especially Australia, and multiculturalism has been a success here. I wouldnt say that racism are the major causes for radicalism just that Europe can be a very racist place and this makes things worse.
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. Yes certainly! Hungary is pretty racist, same with FYROM. Croatia which I have been to is pretty good from what I've seen. Serbia is also pretty good, but they do have problems with Fundamentalist Islamists like France. Either way, I have not heard either of these countries gassing and torturing prisoners. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 01:39:38 PM How is torturing prisoners related to racism? Funnily enough the most racist country I went to in Europe 5 years ago was Greece :lol; I am happy to see Syrians well treated by Greek people but Greece can be horribly racist place. Many Cypriots unfortunately are very insular in their thinking and treat outsiders horribly. My family had a connection to Cyprus for some time by marriage to a Cypriot man. He turned out to be some cranky old piece of work I can tell you. And the people in his small minded town never accepted any newcomer. If things had gone differnetly, my family members may still be there, but I thankfully I ended up here!!!!!
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Aikhme wrote:Believe me mate.
Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Austria and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia.
In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid.
When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Rubbish mate. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. In fact they have done studies which prove Australia is among the least racist. In my ethnically diverse workplace no one has had to change their name, in the fact the top sales guy here has a distinctly Indian name, and he hasn't suffered any wholesale racism or prejudice. He also has a strong Indian accent but that hasn't hindered his success, perhaps he's successful because he gets on with it rather than whinging about how discriminated against he is. I'm not aware academics en masse having to change their names, in fact one of the most prominent academics in the country's first name is or Wally or Waldo or something. I honestly think that because some people find it difficult to get ahead in life and achieve their goals, rather than blaming themselves for their lack of skills or intellect it's easier to externalize blame onto others. Some people are just stuck in their perpetual victimhood loop unfortunately.
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rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:Believe me mate.
Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Austria and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia.
In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid.
When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Rubbish mate. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. In fact they have done studies which prove Australia is among the least racist. In my ethnically diverse workplace no one has had to change their name, in the fact the top sales guy here has a distinctly Indian name, and he hasn't suffered any wholesale racism or prejudice. He also has a strong Indian accent but that hasn't hindered his success, perhaps he's successful because he gets on with it rather than whinging about how discriminated against he is. I'm not aware academics en masse having to change their names, in fact one of the most prominent academics in the country's first name is or Wally or Waldo or something. I honestly think that because some people find it difficult to get ahead in life and achieve their goals, rather than blaming themselves for their lack of skills or intellect it's easier to externalize blame onto others. Some people are just stuck in their perpetual victimhood loop unfortunately. Not rubbish at all. What we have seen takes the cake mate. Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at. This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean. The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 03:09:28 PM
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Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:Believe me mate.
Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Austria and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia.
In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid.
When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Rubbish mate. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. In fact they have done studies which prove Australia is among the least racist. In my ethnically diverse workplace no one has had to change their name, in the fact the top sales guy here has a distinctly Indian name, and he hasn't suffered any wholesale racism or prejudice. He also has a strong Indian accent but that hasn't hindered his success, perhaps he's successful because he gets on with it rather than whinging about how discriminated against he is. I'm not aware academics en masse having to change their names, in fact one of the most prominent academics in the country's first name is or Wally or Waldo or something. I honestly think that because some people find it difficult to get ahead in life and achieve their goals, rather than blaming themselves for their lack of skills or intellect it's easier to externalize blame onto others. Some people are just stuck in their perpetual victimhood loop unfortunately. Not rubbish at all. What we have seen takes the cake mate. Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at. This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean. The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate. I just dont buy your pessimism mate. Even if it was true some that academics were changing their name, that does not infer that they are doing so because of racism, or generalise that Australia is a racist society. There are thousands of teachers in Australia with non anglo names who are doing just fine. Once again studies confirm that Australians are among the most tolerant and least racist in the world. Australia is a good country and you should stop being a whiny miserable sod :p
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rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:Believe me mate.
Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Austria and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia.
In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid.
When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Rubbish mate. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. In fact they have done studies which prove Australia is among the least racist. In my ethnically diverse workplace no one has had to change their name, in the fact the top sales guy here has a distinctly Indian name, and he hasn't suffered any wholesale racism or prejudice. He also has a strong Indian accent but that hasn't hindered his success, perhaps he's successful because he gets on with it rather than whinging about how discriminated against he is. I'm not aware academics en masse having to change their names, in fact one of the most prominent academics in the country's first name is or Wally or Waldo or something. I honestly think that because some people find it difficult to get ahead in life and achieve their goals, rather than blaming themselves for their lack of skills or intellect it's easier to externalize blame onto others. Some people are just stuck in their perpetual victimhood loop unfortunately. Not rubbish at all. What we have seen takes the cake mate. Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at. This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean. The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate. I just dont buy your pessimism mate. Even if it was true some that academics were changing their name, that does not infer that they are doing so because of racism, or generalise that Australia is a racist society. There are thousands of teachers in Australia with non anglo names who are doing just fine. Once again studies confirm that Australians are among the most tolerant and least racist in the world. Australia is a good country and you should stop being a whiny miserable sod :p Pessimism? A lot more than that m8! But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory. Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw! Nicholas still has his mandolin! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 03:24:41 PM
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Aikhme wrote:Pessimism? A lot more than that m8!
But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory.
Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw!
Nicholas still has his mandolin!
Just hope you aint black bro http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/01/08/8-worst-countries-black-people-travel/2/"Immigrants are often set upon by groups of men wielding metal bars, chains, brass knuckles, broken bottles, knives and wooden clubs. The victims suffer from broken bones, damage to sight and hearing and extensive bruising" “U.S. citizens most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic or Middle Eastern descent in Athens and other major cities,”
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rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:Pessimism? A lot more than that m8!
But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory.
Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw!
Nicholas still has his mandolin!
Just hope you aint black bro http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/01/08/8-worst-countries-black-people-travel/2/"Immigrants are often set upon by groups of men wielding metal bars, chains, brass knuckles, broken bottles, knives and wooden clubs. The victims suffer from broken bones, damage to sight and hearing and extensive bruising" “U.S. citizens most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic or Middle Eastern descent in Athens and other major cities,” Yes you wouldn't want to be black in this country or Aboriginal! I don't think Australia is in any position to be pointing fingers at any other country at the moment. It's just not credible and we are literally a laughing stock now. One day, you will see that Australia isn't what it is cracked up to be otherwise Nicholas Cage, Tom Hanks would be Aussie citizens and not Greek Citizens! Shoe is now on the other foot m8!
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Aikhme wrote:Yes you wouldn't want to be black in this country or Aboriginal!
I don't think Australia is in any position to be pointing fingers at any other country at the moment. It's just not credible and we are literally a laughing stock now.
One day, you will see that Australia isn't what it is cracked up to be otherwise Nicholas Cage, Tom Hanks would be Aussie citizens and not Greek Citizens!
Shoe is now on the other foot m8! Check this graph out bro, its official OECD data and we know how much you love official data! http://www.oecd.org/berlin/47570353.pdfAs you can see Australia is second for tolerance and Greece is down the toilet among the least tolerant and most racist. Moving from Australia to Greece to avoid racism is like walking from hot coals into a furnace to avoid heat. As for Hanks and Cage no wonder Greeks love them they are white as snow. :p
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Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:[quote=rusty]
Not rubbish at all.
What we have seen takes the cake mate.
Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at.
This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean.
The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate.
I just dont buy your pessimism mate. Even if it was true some that academics were changing their name, that does not infer that they are doing so because of racism, or generalise that Australia is a racist society. There are thousands of teachers in Australia with non anglo names who are doing just fine. Once again studies confirm that Australians are among the most tolerant and least racist in the world. Australia is a good country and you should stop being a whiny miserable sod :p Pessimism? A lot more than that m8! But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory. Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw! Nicholas still has his mandolin! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 03:24:41 PM I fear that when you make it back to Greece one day you find a different country to where you were born. You may not feel the racism in front of you because you will be 'one of the good guys', but you will see the poverty, the xenophobia and crime..... having said that, the Ionian coast is a good place to avoid all that real stuff.
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rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes you wouldn't want to be black in this country or Aboriginal!
I don't think Australia is in any position to be pointing fingers at any other country at the moment. It's just not credible and we are literally a laughing stock now.
One day, you will see that Australia isn't what it is cracked up to be otherwise Nicholas Cage, Tom Hanks would be Aussie citizens and not Greek Citizens!
Shoe is now on the other foot m8! Check this graph out bro, its official OECD data and we know how much you love official data! http://www.oecd.org/berlin/47570353.pdfAs you can see Australia is second for tolerance and Greece is down the toilet among the least tolerant and most racist. Moving from Australia to Greece to avoid racism is like walking from hot coals into a furnace to avoid heat. As for Hanks and Cage no wonder Greeks love them they are white as snow. :p Did the OECD know about the latest revelations about Australia? Because the last time I checked, Greece doesn't torture its youth in prisons unless of course it has been doing it in secret and yet to be revealed. It doesn't have deaths in custody either. Now deaths in custody has been explained as to why they have been occurring over the years.
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luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:[quote=rusty]
Not rubbish at all.
What we have seen takes the cake mate.
Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at.
This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean.
The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate.
I just dont buy your pessimism mate. Even if it was true some that academics were changing their name, that does not infer that they are doing so because of racism, or generalise that Australia is a racist society. There are thousands of teachers in Australia with non anglo names who are doing just fine. Once again studies confirm that Australians are among the most tolerant and least racist in the world. Australia is a good country and you should stop being a whiny miserable sod :p Pessimism? A lot more than that m8! But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory. Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw! Nicholas still has his mandolin! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 03:24:41 PM I fear that when you make it back to Greece one day you find a different country to where you were born. You may not feel the racism in front of you because you will be 'one of the good guys', but you will see the poverty, the xenophobia and crime..... having said that, the Ionian coast is a good place to avoid all that real stuff. I was there 6 months ago getting my house ready and tending to my olives. No, Greece is not the country you think it is. Drive 20 minutes out of Athens and there is no xenophobia and very little crime. Only place I know where you can leave your house wide open. Nothing better than Greece mate! Which is why Madonna lives there too! Nothing like Greek hospitality either. Warmest people on the planet and I have travelled like nobodies business. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 05:00:21 PM
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You get pulled over by the cops for speeding, they let you off with a warning rather than act like Cowboys.
The place where even strangers smile and will just sit next to you for a drink or meze. Where strangers look after everyone's children. A community like no other m8!
Plus, they will look upon Australia and think wow!
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Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help?
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:[quote=rusty]
Not rubbish at all.
What we have seen takes the cake mate.
Yes there are dozens of academics who have changed their names. I can tell you because my wife is one of them and is politically active to boot at the highest echelons. This is where we are at.
This issue is also just a drop in the ocean compared to everything else we have seen in this country. A mere drop in the ocean.
The mere fact that you might not be aware of such things is quite convenient for you. Ignorance is bliss mate.
I just dont buy your pessimism mate. Even if it was true some that academics were changing their name, that does not infer that they are doing so because of racism, or generalise that Australia is a racist society. There are thousands of teachers in Australia with non anglo names who are doing just fine. Once again studies confirm that Australians are among the most tolerant and least racist in the world. Australia is a good country and you should stop being a whiny miserable sod :p Pessimism? A lot more than that m8! But as I said, ignorance is bliss and people like you still need to sleep at night with the impression that everything is hunky dory. Everything will be hunky dory for me when I move to the Ionian Coast in Greece somewhere near to the residence of Nicholas Cage and Tom Hanks, Greek citizens btw! Nicholas still has his mandolin! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 03:24:41 PM I fear that when you make it back to Greece one day you find a different country to where you were born. You may not feel the racism in front of you because you will be 'one of the good guys', but you will see the poverty, the xenophobia and crime..... having said that, the Ionian coast is a good place to avoid all that real stuff. I was there 6 months ago getting my house ready and tending to my olives. No, Greece is not the country you think it is. Drive 20 minutes out of Athens and there is no xenophobia and very little crime. Only place I know where you can leave your house wide open. Nothing better than Greece mate! Which is why Madonna lives there too! Nothing like Greek hospitality either. Warmest people on the planet and I have travelled like nobodies business. Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 05:00:21 PM #1 Going on holiday is not the same as living. When did you last live there? #2 If you are Greek you will not feel the racism from greeks, yes it is worse in Athens, worse still in the backwater Cyprus, but there is a growing lack of tolerance much worse than here.
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Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? Because we see Europe and it isn't what we want to happen here.
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Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go!
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luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM
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