Yeah I saw those quick goals. I guess they weren't going to bring on an attacker but those benches just make it even harder to get on. Ikon should do an A-League loan. Rogic did it and he went back ok.

there no fucking way he will come to the  A-League?    Ikon in Soccerroos squad now, sitting on the bench, if Ikon come to the A-League and get out played?

when Ikon played for Under 23 and under 20 team Australia teams, his wasn't even close to being the best player in those youth teams

This implies that development is a straight consistent line. 

It's not. 

come to think of it I can't remember the last time a player went to europe and improved rapidly. Maybe rogic in his second season at celtic

yet there seems to be plenty which improve out of sight in the a league. A couple of defenders have improved quickly in south korea

could just be the difference in sample sizes or perhaps its a sign that relying on europe to further develop our players is outmoded

it followers a  polynomial curve line

Ikon  not 16 years old , his 21 years old and 4 year away from begin peak age for a forward player ....at 21 year of age Ikon  has give us 14 game at what I rate is A_league standard  (you my not agree with me on this statement, but lets say for arguments sake it close to being true)   Ikon  not in the Soccerrroos team, base on 14 game of A_league standard games  , Ikon is in the Soccerroos team base on what people believe his potential is or will be  (Ange ,, Lazio coaching staff) and those people may well turn out to be right., but at some point (soon)  Ikon must give game results 

I don't know any players that are from Europe that improve rapidly.

langerak with a clean sheet in the german cup against bundesiga 2 side homburg 

talking aussies only

we don't have many players in australia so every player that stagnates, goes backwards or even improves we feel it

Playing HAL regularly is better than not playing in Europe or Asia.

Mustafa Amini came off in the 20th minute for an AGF side that got done 7-0 by Brondby. AGF had a player sent off in the 15th minute so I'd assume it was a tactical switch as opposed to him being injured.

The bloke that replaced him went off 12 minutes later lol

What a circus. 

il cimitero

He fits right in with their scumbag cheating culture.



Play on was the call. 

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Trying to respond to Grazors comment on players who immediately improve...

That's a good question, I think it largely depends on game time and a lot of guys who go overseas don't start straight away. I'd say Sarota and Jedinak improved quite rapidly, then maybe Oar, Davidson when he went to Portugal, but there is not many. I expect Mooy will be one who does due to playing time.

There's a multitude of egs of players who have regressed eg Brillante, Antonis and Brattan just last season.

His head really wasn't even close to the ball ... ref definitely shouldn't have missed that

Its more realistic that it wasnt called because it was us instead of being not called because it is them. But when these two teams are put together we never get the ref. We have historically been a team that gets less free kicks at home than the other team because the refs "refuse to be intimidated by the crowd"... which several have actually said. There is also the fact some refs have stood in our city rivals active areas among other things. 

You can see the line and it is on the linesman side also. 

3-0 up , also help ref miss things

No real shock the referee missed it, look at his view in that gif. Has a player step into his view right before the handball.

Dude

they havent really had the game time to improve

what's more I've been suprised how quickly players at home improve too. It may be a lower standard in the a league than many of these euro league but perhaps the gap has closed enough such that being in a familiar environment where you get better treatment as a local play may make up for any gap in quality. This is doubly true when you consider the risk of getting limited game time in europe
One reservation I have with what I just said is that a lot of the goals we score against star studded opposition come from players who have experience in the big 5 leagues. One advantage in playing in the big 5 leagues is you don't get star struck.

which makes europe a risk reward question

the rewards are large when it comes to money but the rewards in terms of development is reducing - arguably faster than the risk

I don't think we can look at exclusively Australian players in Europe. We need to be looking at the development of footballers from all nations for the rather obvious reason that there's no innate difference between Australian and non-Australian footballers. If we just look at Australian footballers in the context of other Australian footballers, we limit how much we can achieve. We play against footballers from every country. Therefore we need to compare our footballers to footballers from every country.

When we do this we see that it is perfectly possible to achieve rapid progress in Europe. And far greater levels of progress have been achieved in Europe than in the A-League.

It's uneven across Europe. But in the better parts, we're talking about higher quality coaching, more competitive matches, far higher technical quality, attacking players who actually know how to take their opponents on with pace and, as a result, defenders who know how to close down very fast.

Where the A-League is ahead of the curve, imo, is the tactical side.

The reality is, however, that if footballers want to develop entirely in Australia, unless they're in the class of Zidane, they're almost certain never to develop the technical skills which the best footballers in the world possess. They'll be about five years behind the rest of the world, too. The best Belgian footballers tend to have left Belgium by about the age of 19. So if Aussie players only go to Belgium around that age, or later, then it's most likely that by the time they've had the chance to succeed in such a league, they'll be too far gone for top notch European sides to consider them.

The best we can hope for is a Mooy like situation every now and then (and Mooy is very much an outlier).

Saw Irvines goal on Football on 5's show. Great movement and connection to get on the end of the cross, even if the defence parted like the red sea.

Surely Luongo is a player who has improved quite quickly in England. The last twelve months perhaps not so much with the move to QPR but this season things seem to be back on track. 

Not sure what that has to do with what I said but ok.

Jamieson jumps and his arm is well away from his body. I think the ref saw and made the wrong call. If he didnt see it then the linesman should have.  

Redcard and penalty. 

Yeah, but didn't you guys win anyway?

Yes but I welcome suspensions for any players not on my team in the league.