You're all class.

Sorry for not having the SJW white guilt.
The case just needs to go away and the lady pushing for money needs to be told to grow up.

lol so CLP might not even be have enough to hold opposition in the NT meaning they could lose funding too if Labor aren't a pack of dicks to them.

Could be the end of the Libs in the Territory lol.

-PB

Now nothing will ever happen in the territory because the unions will have no one to stop them striking!

Again, you're missing the point and insisting on this "pull-up-your-bootstraps" pontification.

People before Gen-Y DID receive a free education, so I really don't see how it's unfair for them to say "hmm, wait a minute, how is this fair?" Then you go and construct this ridiculous figment that all uni students are lazy bastards who can't be arsed to do anything. I've found it's the opposite. Loads of my uni mates work part time and volunteer for things because they know it's tough. 

You're the equivalent of that old bloke yelling at the TV about young people and their rap music.

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” - Socrates

Why not just limit spots - bring back a cap on the number of places but fully fund these places. 

Plebiscite looking unlikely to get up. 

Sounds like not much happens as it is haha.

-PB

Pretty much this. 

The ALP will lose its shine when everything just stops and the Territory is on its knees. 

I'm sure they have looked at things like this, but then everyone will complain that it is too hard to get into uni.

There are no easy solutions unfortunately. Free education is not really a viable option the Government could reasonably offer.

I am against deregulation as well because that will increase costs for students. 

The whole definition of education and work is changing and even evolving. The days of job for life are not there anymore and young people have to be more entrepreneurial. I think that is a good thing for young people as they are more free to express themselves but it depends on how you look at it. 

As I said before. With the benefit of hindsight, it is pretty damn easy to get into a profession that earns you more money than the PM of Australia. 

Yes but their access to tertiary education was extremely limited in terms of places. Free and abundant is what everyone wants. We already have an issue with costs because people never pay their HECS debts off. My Mrs hasn't paid a cent towards hers. We already have a problem with people who are shit at making decisions and become professional students who never make enough money to pay off their mountain of debt. A mate of mine has a degree in environmental science and a degree in performing arts and is now going back to become a teacher. It's a heavy burden for the tax payer. Creative industries are one of the biggest pitfalls because it's such a narrow and specialized field. For sciences it's great having 200 engineers graduate a year, the universities still get paid. But we've taken on 2 engineers in the 5 years I've worked where I do since graduating. Most companies are downsizing or cutting back hours with mining falling on its ass. We took a bloke on 2 weeks ago. We had 40 people apply for the job in 3 days who were extremely over-qualified for an entry level position.  Most with mining backgrounds.

I'm not saying all uni students are lazy, not even close. My experience as someone who takes them on to get their experience up to graduate is that they're super keen until they have to do something they feel they shouldn't have to do or something that doesn't meet their perception of what I do as a geotechnical engineer. The perception of what we do and how we do is way off. I don't know if its the universities or a general thing, but these younger guys and girls coming through our company for experience get a baptism of fire  when they probably thought we sat in meetings all day.

Champ i'm 26 so hardly an old bloke. I did probably 20-30 days of unpaid work to secure my job where I am now. In order to become chartered I have to do seminars and courses with people at the same level as I am. Through networking, the mood is consistent throughout the industry. It gets harder and harder for us to employ graduates.

Lets face it, we have it made. Education that we only pay back once we get a well paid job and minimal interest. Income support while studying. Readily available part time jobs (my parents never had a chance to work at Subway to make money). Abundant places at universities. Class sized continue to grow. My boss graduates with 40 peers. I graduates with 160.

Perceptions and stereotypes always have a basis in truth. It's clear that you despise the reputation Gen-Y has. In my experience it's not an unfair reputation but its probably overplayed. Take it as a positive. With so many drop-kicks you'll stand out when you graduate which will improve your chances of landing a job.

We need to get tough on people repaying their student loans back. Too many people rack up too much money doing multiple degrees and then enter into jobs below the line of repayment. They need to recoup this money one way or another to allow the next group of students coming through to enjoy the same level of education and services that those before them had.

The mrs. owes like $30k. My environmental scientist mate has 2 4 year degrees and a 60k debt he isn't paying back because he works 3 days a week as a glow worm cave tour guide. People seems resistant to trying to force people into paying money back because it can cause hardship. Fair enough, but when you take out a loan (which is what HECS is), you shouldn't be able to dodge paying for it because you don't feel like you should have to or don't feel like you earn enough to do it. Make people pay $20 a week if you have to. It's something. It will take the focus of de-regulation which I am somewhat against.

Shorten has to defend himself against an Anglican Priest who is upset about being called a homophobe for opposing same sex marriage.

Hiding behind a deity doesn't absolve you of being homophobic haha

This is good!

The Anglican Priest has as much right to use 18C as anyone else. That is also not what the law was meant for. 

It seems the hard left is more open to 18C than the so called non progressive conservatives it was intended for. The hard left seem to be the ones who are more likely to throw insults and accusations. 

Cant say I disagree with any of that. 

What does the Anglican Priest have to do with 18C?

With 18C, pretty much anyone is able to commence legal proceedings if they felt insulted or offended. 

That is the problem with subjective laws. We are heading towards a big train wreck. 

 But the Priest isn't doing that. Why bring it up? 
They were discussing SSM.

The priest was going nowhere near 18C, he was saying that it's possible to oppose SSM without hating gay people. Shorten has vocally claimed the opposite.

18C is very subjective. I would expect that Shorten said something along the lines of "if you don't agree in equality than you are homophobic".

This wouldn't actually breach 18C as he is not insulting, abusing etc. a person / group based on religion, race, gender, etc. He would only be breaching 18C if he mentioned a religion in particular as being homophobic, or an individual being homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Even then it wouldn't necessary be in breach of 18C as some religions are openly homophobic, including Christianity, Catholicism, Islam etc.

Yes he was talking about that.

Shorten called the priest a Homophobe and the Priest got "offended".

Hence 18C is a legal avenue he is now exploring. 

Nothing you said is correct.

Shorten did not call the priest a homophobe, the priest is not exploring 18c.
you are a fool :)

Nothing to do with 18C. The priest is upset because people don't respect his reasons for rejecting SSM. 

Religious beliefs should not affect the lives of the non-religious. Religious organisations are out of place trying to weigh in on this issue. 

Religions are not out of place.

This is exactly the kind of social issue they should be commenting on and they have every right to comment on it. 

Well perhaps he should explore it. And someone rightfully made that comment. I just can't recall who. 

There will be a number of these Test Cases. Lino has one. 

The fools are those who resort to insults. 

Then they should pay tax if they want to have a public opinion.

Religion should worry about itself and its own members, not people who resent its existence.

Th is this this. 

But the priest is homophobic. Their religion dictates them to be that ... perhaps the priest is just upset that someone put it so bluntly to him, rather than the greys that religion try to paint their beliefs as.

Somehow religion is meant to be above calling homophobes because God etc.

I agree with you, religious beliefs don't absolve anyone of homophobia.