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+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds?
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+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL
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On the game, 3 great goals. The play was easy on the eye. Let's win another tournament.
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Not intending to derail the thread, but I've darted a thread on creating more pro football clubs in Oz, to provide a pathway for the current underage players to play pro football.
A lot of opposition has come frorn people who have not seen these kids play. They still think we need heaps of imports for an expanded HAL in the imminent future. After seeing the kids coming though I don't.
It would be good if you could post your insights in the other thread.
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+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes.
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+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. The above is a red herring and a strawman but nethertheless there's no doubt that there are better athletes today than there were 50 (or even 20) years ago. Sport (all sport) has improved immeasurably since then. (Watch a rugby league game from the 70's or 80's for an example.) That does not negate the fact that players were somehow clueless clowns who had no idea how to play except kick and chase. Your example regarding your father above was probably true at the time because the future hadn't yet existed and up until that point it was an example of the pinnacle of how the game should (or could) be played. It's no wonder the skills are better and faster now than then if you think about the money, the sheer number of players in the football pyramid, sports science, full time professionalism, physiotherapy, the reach of clubs to pluck players out of obscurity, the pathways, the academies and on and on. My beef is with idiocy of the OP who constantly asserts footballing knowledge only came into existence from on high with the handing down from the mount of the NC. The OP will make some trite comment in a minute trivialising this contribution or pretending to not have read it. The man is a condescending narcissist of the highest order and loves the sound of his own voice. He'll have read every word.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. Even if one looks at Guus's Socceroos in 2006, and El Tel's Socceroos playing in Iran, the Iran scenario being much more pronounced than 2006, compared to the current Socceroos one can see the evolution and improvement. Much of the current coaching methodology was absent prior to 2006 at Socceroo level. It has taken years to go down through the ranks too. If Ron Smith was doing good things at the Institute in 2004, there was no systemic edict to implement what he he did at all levels. It was an ad hoc system. We were told at coaching courses we are doing the right thing, when we weren't. If someone was doing good things in one setting, nearby they could've been doing something completely different. It can be observed in past Oz eras through the absence of patterns of play that are so common in 2016. Also, at coaching courses, various former Socceroos have described their own experiences playing for the Socceroos in the early nineties and eighties. I also know a number of current and former state TDs, who've been involved in old methodology and the new. One bloke who was a former Soccer Australia coach educator in Tassie and WA, and one of the most successful coaches in Tassie history, has found the new methodology too complex to learn and grasp, let alone apply it on the training ground. Another former NSL coach I know has been gobsmacked at the changes in methodology too. No underage national teams of past eras played anything like the current teams under 20.
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2016 AFC U-16 Championship starts TONIGHT. We start tomorrow with the top 4 qualifying for the 2017 FIFA U-17 World Cup. Group B[edit]First match(es) will be played on 16 September 2016. Source: AFCRules for classification: Group stage tiebreakers
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"Much of the current coaching methodology was absent prior to 2006 at Socceroo level"
The same could be said for most countries at both senior and underage levels. Many countries had ad hoc systems. Decentric, you make it sound like Australia was wilfully refusing to adopt modern methodology, such is your determination to knock everything in Australian football prior to 2006.
I don't think anyone has denied that coaching methods and athleticism have improved in the last ten years. Yet you continually imply that the old Australian national team played basic football with little skill or tactics- when you actually have no idea as you didn't even follow the game back then.
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Fuark, just seen how badly we got spanked by Brazil in the futsal WC. 11-1, jeez :blink:
Good results in the AFF U-19 champs at least. We shouldn't have too much trouble with the Indos tomorrow. Myanmar beat them 3-2 on the opening matchday. I must say it's great that we were voted in as a full AFF member in 2013, these tournaments are a great experience for our young locally-based players.
It's a shame that our full national side isn't participating in the senior tournament later this year. I feel like if the A-League took breaks for FIFA dates we could've sent a team of A-League players like with the East Asian champs a few years ago.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. The above is a red herring and a strawman but nethertheless there's no doubt that there are better athletes today than there were 50 (or even 20) years ago. Sport (all sport) has improved immeasurably since then. (Watch a rugby league game from the 70's or 80's for an example.) That does not negate the fact that players were somehow clueless clowns who had no idea how to play except kick and chase. Your example regarding your father above was probably true at the time because the future hadn't yet existed and up until that point it was an example of the pinnacle of how the game should (or could) be played. It's no wonder the skills are better and faster now than then if you think about the money, the sheer number of players in the football pyramid, sports science, full time professionalism, physiotherapy, the reach of clubs to pluck players out of obscurity, the pathways, the academies and on and on. My beef is with idiocy of the OP who constantly asserts footballing knowledge only came into existence from on high with the handing down from the mount of the NC. The OP will make some trite comment in a minute trivialising this contribution or pretending to not have read it. The man is a condescending narcissist of the highest order and loves the sound of his own voice. He'll have read every word. Decentric, "One bloke who was a former Soccer Australia coach educator in Tassie and WA, and one of the most successful coaches in Tassie history, has found the new methodology too complex to learn and grasp, let alone apply it on the training ground. Another former NSL coach I know has been gobsmacked at the changes in methodology too. " I am struggling a little to learn and grasp the complexities of this new forum, to be honest, so i do have sympathy. But anyway, could you please explain to me how such a complex system can be any good, if players struggle to understand it. What happens if the next harry Kewell of this generation just wants to kick a soccer ball around and cant understand the modern complexities does he just not get selected and neer amount to anything? I have yet to see anything that replaces the old adage that a good ball is a simple ball. This will always reign true and it for easier to oversimplify than to under simplify. There are good and bad things about this national curriculum. Obviously it is better to learn something than not, and the old system certainly had some poor coaches (as does the current system i am sure). The biggest advantage of the current scenario lies in the full time club training. Imagine how improved the old system would be if they were full time. In fact, in many ways it doesnt say much about what we are doing when we have 10 full time teams and still dont seem to produce much better results than we used to (if they are as good). It is all good and well to say we look pretty but who really cares if we are losing. Saying all that, Ange is the best coach i have seen in Australia. I presume Ange ball is curriculum based so it certainly cant be all bad. "No underage national teams of past eras played anything like the current teams under 20. " Whenever i seem to look at youth results, we lose to teams like vietnam and other asian minnows. I dont remember sides which contained the likes of Ned Zelic and co losing to sides like that very often, so i suppose technically you are correct.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. The above is a red herring and a strawman but nethertheless there's no doubt that there are better athletes today than there were 50 (or even 20) years ago. Sport (all sport) has improved immeasurably since then. (Watch a rugby league game from the 70's or 80's for an example.) That does not negate the fact that players were somehow clueless clowns who had no idea how to play except kick and chase. Your example regarding your father above was probably true at the time because the future hadn't yet existed and up until that point it was an example of the pinnacle of how the game should (or could) be played. It's no wonder the skills are better and faster now than then if you think about the money, the sheer number of players in the football pyramid, sports science, full time professionalism, physiotherapy, the reach of clubs to pluck players out of obscurity, the pathways, the academies and on and on. My beef is with idiocy of the OP who constantly asserts footballing knowledge only came into existence from on high with the handing down from the mount of the NC. The OP will make some trite comment in a minute trivialising this contribution or pretending to not have read it. The man is a condescending narcissist of the highest order and loves the sound of his own voice. He'll have read every word. Decentric, "One bloke who was a former Soccer Australia coach educator in Tassie and WA, and one of the most successful coaches in Tassie history, has found the new methodology too complex to learn and grasp, let alone apply it on the training ground. Another former NSL coach I know has been gobsmacked at the changes in methodology too. " I am struggling a little to learn and grasp the complexities of this new forum, to be honest, so i do have sympathy. But anyway, could you please explain to me how such a complex system can be any good, if players struggle to understand it. What happens if the next harry Kewell of this generation just wants to kick a soccer ball around and cant understand the modern complexities does he just not get selected and neer amount to anything? I have yet to see anything that replaces the old adage that a good ball is a simple ball. This will always reign true and it for easier to oversimplify than to under simplify. There are good and bad things about this national curriculum. Obviously it is better to learn something than not, and the old system certainly had some poor coaches (as does the current system i am sure). The biggest advantage of the current scenario lies in the full time club training. Imagine how improved the old system would be if they were full time. In fact, in many ways it doesnt say much about what we are doing when we have 10 full time teams and still dont seem to produce much better results than we used to (if they are as good). It is all good and well to say we look pretty but who really cares if we are losing. Saying all that, Ange is the best coach i have seen in Australia. I presume Ange ball is curriculum based so it certainly cant be all bad. "No underage national teams of past eras played anything like the current teams under 20. " Whenever i seem to look at youth results, we lose to teams like vietnam and other asian minnows. I dont remember sides which contained the likes of Ned Zelic and co losing to sides like that very often, so i suppose technically you are correct. If you're only looking at results that's half the problem
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I can recall us outplaying a poor German team in the world U19 cup in the mid nineties, and beating Argentina too; at senior level the Israeli and Iranian teams that qualified ahead of us in 89 and 97 were no better than us- they just got a lucky rub of the green. Even Maradona's Argentina that beat us in 93 had some sub standard players (Carlos Macallister, anyone?)
The point being that we weren't hopelessly outclassed by the rest of the football world back in those dark ages- quite a few other countries were on a par with us, or only marginally better. Decentric makes it sound like we were hopelessly left behind until the brave new world of modern methodology arrived. And yet he never followed the game closely back then- he has admitted it.
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+x"Much of the current coaching methodology was absent prior to 2006 at Socceroo level" The same could be said for most countries at both senior and underage levels. Many countries had ad hoc systems. Decentric, you make it sound like Australia was wilfully refusing to adopt modern methodology, such is your determination to knock everything in Australian football prior to 2006. I don't think anyone has denied that coaching methods and athleticism have improved in the last ten years. Yet you continually imply that the old Australian national team played basic football with little skill or tactics- when you actually have no idea as you didn't even follow the game back then. We've covered this ad infinitum before. I've been watching the Socceroos since 1973. I'm not sure where the extrapolation is that I've been knocking the Socceroos prior to 2006? I've alluded to constant evolution in football methodology and salient aspects of playing. I've advanced that Guus's 2006 Socceroos are quite different from now, and there were even greater differences from earlier Socceroo outfits . We are starting to see a national playing style from using a holistic methodology. This national playing style is consistent from seniors down to under 16s at Oz national team level. We are no different from France, Spain, Holland, Germany and Belgium for doing this. You seem to be exude animosity towards sophisticated methodology. Let me ask you this? Do you like the playing style of the current national teams? Without the evolution in methodology, we'd never have won the Asian Cup.
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It's a shame that our full national side isn't participating in the senior tournament later this year. I feel like if the A-League took breaks for FIFA dates we could've sent a team of A-League players like with the East Asian champs a few years ago. Agree.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. The above is a red herring and a strawman but nethertheless there's no doubt that there are better athletes today than there were 50 (or even 20) years ago. Sport (all sport) has improved immeasurably since then. (Watch a rugby league game from the 70's or 80's for an example.) That does not negate the fact that players were somehow clueless clowns who had no idea how to play except kick and chase. Your example regarding your father above was probably true at the time because the future hadn't yet existed and up until that point it was an example of the pinnacle of how the game should (or could) be played. It's no wonder the skills are better and faster now than then if you think about the money, the sheer number of players in the football pyramid, sports science, full time professionalism, physiotherapy, the reach of clubs to pluck players out of obscurity, the pathways, the academies and on and on. My beef is with idiocy of the OP who constantly asserts footballing knowledge only came into existence from on high with the handing down from the mount of the NC. The OP will make some trite comment in a minute trivialising this contribution or pretending to not have read it. The man is a condescending narcissist of the highest order and loves the sound of his own voice. He'll have read every word. Decentric, "One bloke who was a former Soccer Australia coach educator in Tassie and WA, and one of the most successful coaches in Tassie history, has found the new methodology too complex to learn and grasp, let alone apply it on the training ground. Another former NSL coach I know has been gobsmacked at the changes in methodology too. " I am struggling a little to learn and grasp the complexities of this new forum, to be honest, so i do have sympathy. But anyway, could you please explain to me how such a complex system can be any good, if players struggle to understand it. What happens if the next harry Kewell of this generation just wants to kick a soccer ball around and cant understand the modern complexities does he just not get selected and neer amount to anything? I'm talking about the coaches, not players. Successful coaching demystifies and simplifies methodology. Effective communication between coach and player is paramount.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe boys did pretty well, looked very good particularly in the first half. Love the possession game we are imposing. When you played NSL football, how much were you coached on playing diagonal balls and playing in triangles and diamonds? He never played NSL In any case it's a ridiculous question. I can assure the Tasmanian under 9's coach that 30 years ago it was not all hoof it up the field and huff and puff. One of the coaches I had in the 80's was a former Dutch international. There were also former Yugoslav, Italian and other countries represented in the coaching ranks in the competition I played in above and below the division I was in. My father played in the 60's in a semi-professional setup (once representing NSW and offered a contract to the then Adelaide City) who's team was a virtual united nations of Dutchmen, Hungarians, Slovaks, Yugoslavs, Italians and others. (Such was the quality of the side they regularly made the final stages of the then 'Champions of Champions' competition despite being a country based side.) To assert, as bozo does constantly, that these teams and the teams they played never had a clue about body shape, diagonal balls, transitioning and possession based football is ludicrous in the extreme. (To say these are new developments in football is beyond a joke and a slap in the face to anyone that played in the past.) I doubt in a white as snow anglo backwater the Tasmanian resided in in the 60's, 70's and 80's there was anything even approaching the level of coaching and football acumen that was present in NSW during the same time. It makes no difference to the KNVB accredited clown though. No amount of evidence will open his eyes. Well said. Maybe. There's a lot of nostalgia that creeps in when reviewing what happened 50 years. Take the 7-3 Madrid Frankfurt game. In my youth others my Dad's age often touted it as the best ever club performance by Madrid. Watch it again and and reality is rather different. My father often talked about the 1974 World Cup and how good the total football of the Dutch was- he watched again 2 years ago and couldn't believe how slow, and how average by today's standards the players skills were. The skills may have been present 50 years, but they were not present across all players and across all teams and certainly were not as fast or precisely executed. The above is a red herring and a strawman but nethertheless there's no doubt that there are better athletes today than there were 50 (or even 20) years ago. Sport (all sport) has improved immeasurably since then. (Watch a rugby league game from the 70's or 80's for an example.) That does not negate the fact that players were somehow clueless clowns who had no idea how to play except kick and chase. Your example regarding your father above was probably true at the time because the future hadn't yet existed and up until that point it was an example of the pinnacle of how the game should (or could) be played. It's no wonder the skills are better and faster now than then if you think about the money, the sheer number of players in the football pyramid, sports science, full time professionalism, physiotherapy, the reach of clubs to pluck players out of obscurity, the pathways, the academies and on and on. My beef is with idiocy of the OP who constantly asserts footballing knowledge only came into existence from on high with the handing down from the mount of the NC. The OP will make some trite comment in a minute trivialising this contribution or pretending to not have read it. The man is a condescending narcissist of the highest order and loves the sound of his own voice. He'll have read every word. I have yet to see anything that replaces the old adage that a good ball is a simple ball. This will always reign true and it for easier to oversimplify than to under simplify. There are good and bad things about this national curriculum. Obviously it is better to learn something than not, and the old system certainly had some poor coaches (as does the current system i am sure). The biggest advantage of the current scenario lies in the full time club training. Imagine how improved the old system would be if they were full time. In fact, in many ways it doesnt say much about what we are doing when we have 10 full time teams and still dont seem to produce much better results than we used to (if they are as good). It is all good and well to say we look pretty but who really cares if we are losing. Saying all that, Ange is the best coach i have seen in Australia. I presume Ange ball is curriculum based so it certainly cant be all bad. "No underage national teams of past eras played anything like the current teams under 20. " Whenever i seem to look at youth results, we lose to teams like vietnam and other asian minnows. I dont remember sides which contained the likes of Ned Zelic and co losing to sides like that very often, so i suppose technically you are correct. You've suggested there are good and bad things about the current FFA NC. One would have to have a pretty comprehensive knowledge of it to draw those conclusions. ATM Erik Abrams is TD for players 16 and under. Ange has a quasi role as TD for above the age of 16. If you think Ange is the best coach you've seen in Australia, he is a product of the FFA NC, because he is partially the head of it. The old system, or ad hoc nature of it, even if full time was offered, was the reason we failed to qualify for World Cups at senior level for 32 years. Over 32 years results don't lie. Ned Zelic was a product of 32 years of failure to qualify for World Cups at senior level, despite what he may or may not have achieved at youth level. He was undoubtedly a good player, as were many of his teammates, but they always came up short. If exhaustive contemporary football criteria were to be applied to evaluate his strengths and weaknesses, he would have many aspects of his game to improve - like most players. Most Asian teams have also improved since the nineties too. Just because a country has a particular name, and reputation in accordance with past epochs, some countries are spending a great deal of money and resources on improving their football. Football is ever evolving. Nothing stays the same.
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+xI can recall us outplaying a poor German team in the world U19 cup in the mid nineties, and beating Argentina too; at senior level the Israeli and Iranian teams that qualified ahead of us in 89 and 97 were no better than us- they just got a lucky rub of the green. Even Maradona's Argentina that beat us in 93 had some sub standard players (Carlos Macallister, anyone?) The point being that we weren't hopelessly outclassed by the rest of the football world back in those dark ages- quite a few other countries were on a par with us, or only marginally better. Decentric makes it sound like we were hopelessly left behind until the brave new world of modern methodology arrived. And yet he never followed the game closely back then- he has admitted it. Don't you think results over 32 years in World Cup qualifying campaigns are a significant indicator that a nation needs to do something to change its practices? Why did we always lose the big moments against teams of supposedly similar calibre? Friendlies are not a true indictor of how a nation is travelling at any given time.
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AFF U19 Championship Singapore 1-2 Malaysia AFC U16 Championship Iran 3-2 Saudi Arabia (86') Iran were down by 2 at the half.
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With streams, I tried about six last night.
None worked.
Then to the right of my screen I accidentally came across a couple with Vietnamese writing ( I think) that said active. Thankfully, the first one I tried worked.
Any tips from experienced streamers?
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+xAFF U19 Championship Singapore 1-2 Malaysia AFC U16 Championship Iran 3-2 Saudi Arabia (86') Iran were down by 2 at the half. How many teams qualify for a World Cup from Asia?
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+x+xAFF U19 Championship Singapore 1-2 Malaysia AFC U16 Championship Iran 3-2 Saudi Arabia (86') Iran were down by 2 at the half. How many teams qualify for a World Cup from Asia? 4
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+xWith streams, I tried about six last night. None worked. Then to the right of my screen I accidentally came across a couple with Vietnamese writing ( I think) that said active. Thankfully, the first one I tried worked. Any tips from experienced streamers? Have you tried YouTube? AFC Twitter or Facebook?
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As you said, we've covered this many times before.
You just don't get it, do you decentric...
Have I ever said "the modern coaching methodology is no good"? No, I haven't- everyone on here has said it has improved the modern game. So why do you keep on about the 32 years of failure for Australia, when I have posted about how it was a level playing field back then, and we were handicapped by the isolation imposed by the Oceania group? Do you think a Hiddink, Pim or Ange was going to appear magically in 1985 and lead us to the world cup finals, and were prevented from doing this by our refusal to hire them?
You won't take anything on board that doesn't agree with your version of things, and continually fall back on patronising pedagoguery?
You don't seem to have any real awareness of what football is about, which makes me think that your claim to have followed it since 1973 to be a bit dodgy..
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+x+xWith streams, I tried about six last night. None worked. Then to the right of my screen I accidentally came across a couple with Vietnamese writing ( I think) that said active. Thankfully, the first one I tried worked. Any tips from experienced streamers? Have you tried YouTube? AFC Twitter or Facebook? I've tried Youtube where I eventually succeeded in a stream. The stream site I put up with the aim of helping others has always been good for previous tournaments, but not last night. With Facebook, how does streaming work with this under 19 tournament? Is the next game on tomorrow? Do you know what time it is?
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+xAs you said, we've covered this many times before. You just don't get it, do you decentric... Have I ever said "the modern coaching methodology is no good"? No, I haven't- everyone on here has said it has improved the modern game. So why do you keep on about the 32 years of failure for Australia, when I have posted about how it was a level playing field back then, and we were handicapped by the isolation imposed by the Oceania group? Do you think a Hiddink, Pim or Ange was going to appear magically in 1985 and lead us to the world cup finals, and were prevented from doing this by our refusal to hire them? You won't take anything on board that doesn't agree with your version of things, and continually fall back on patronising pedagoguery? You don't seem to have any real awareness of what football is about, which makes me think that your claim to have followed it since 1973 to be a bit dodgy.. LOL! We'll have to agree to disagree then. Maybe you ought to stop wasting so much time responding to posts I make and engage with others on 442.
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+x+x+xWith streams, I tried about six last night. None worked. Then to the right of my screen I accidentally came across a couple with Vietnamese writing ( I think) that said active. Thankfully, the first one I tried worked. Any tips from experienced streamers? Have you tried YouTube? AFC Twitter or Facebook? I've tried Yutube where I eventually succeeded in a stream. With Facebook, how does streaming work with this under 19 tournament? Search up AFF. I usually message the federation. They give an answer pretty quickly. But I'm still getting results from ASEAN sport and AFC hub.
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