The Aussies Abroad Thread


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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:25 PM
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the guys making $300 million plus a year betting on football into asia will disagree with you ..

whoscored has done the best they could with the stats they have,  (Live)...the next set, is to take what is a meaningful passing , and what is not , into there ratings 

That is the thing
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This gets to the bottom of why the whoscored ratings for players are so flawed. (In fact I think they should get rid of the ratings). There are key passes and there are assists and thats fine. But there is no measurement of meaningful possession/passes or play-making. 

The statistics that they use have absolutely no way of determining the impact of passes. One player could have the same stats: say 70 passes and have no impact by along the back-line, while another player could make 70 passes and completely dominate with meaningful passing.



the guys making $300 million plus a year betting on football into asia will disagree with you ..

whoscored has done the best they could with the stats they have,  (Live)...the next set, is to take what is a meaningful passing , and what is not , into there ratings 

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The dutch NT is trash.


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TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 8:46 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 7:30 PM

Sparta is now. Dougall on the bench. Goodwin out injured I believe.

cheers


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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM
To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.

It's way better has been for years. The Dutch league is trash. 
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:52 PM
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so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes
also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes

still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game

i think that right on Mooy...and we can see Huddersfield is very low rated as a team on whoscored (11th rated in Championship over 8 games, with Huddersfield winning 6 games )   
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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:05 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM

you both right...it not  pass accuracy, it just doing it ....if  player cut out 4 defense players with a pass , say 1 in every 5 times, that players pass accuracy is only 20%   but the chance of the team winning the game is fucking high

agree
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM
To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.

MVs squad this year is impressive even if they don''t get essien

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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:40 PM

Yes
But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted. 

you both right...it not  pass accuracy, it just doing it ....if  player cut out 4 defense players with a pass , say 1 in every 5 times, that players pass accuracy is only 20%   but the chance of the team winning the game is fucking high
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 9:02 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:59 PM

whoscored gives an excellent indication for players whose main game is 1v1 duels like jedi

you can get completed forward passes as a useful stat. Decentric looks at 1v1s and eye of the needle passes as well as good first touches

One thing stats will always miss though is off the ball work and positioning. You could make 15 tackles and miss 3 but get a massive whoscored rating but the reason why you are making so many tackles i syour poor positioning is attracting the attack down your side

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To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:59 PM
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True, Stats do not tell how a player played, really they are only exponents of extremes.

whoscored gives an excellent indication for players whose main game is 1v1 duels like jedi

you can get completed forward passes as a useful stat. Decentric looks at 1v1s and eye of the needle passes as well as good first touches

One thing stats will always miss though is off the ball work and positioning. You could make 15 tackles and miss 3 but get a massive whoscored rating but the reason why you are making so many tackles i syour poor positioning is attracting the attack down your side

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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:52 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM

so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes
also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes

still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game

True, Stats do not tell how a player played, really they are only exponents of extremes.
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TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 8:55 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:53 PM

gypsy

some truth in that
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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:35 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 5:26 PM

that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to  make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football)

the total number of passing is also not  statistical importance

what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more  important on the number of times passing the ball go past   defense positions

p.s great job in finding there formula, i was looking for it...but from what i know, they give points for winning headers to


This gets to the bottom of why the whoscored ratings for players are so flawed. (In fact I think they should get rid of the ratings). There are key passes and there are assists and thats fine. But there is no measurement of meaningful possession/passes or play-making. 

The statistics that they use have absolutely no way of determining the impact of passes. One player could have the same stats: say 70 passes and have no impact by along the back-line, while another player could make 70 passes and completely dominate with meaningful passing.



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b0ydman - 18 Sep 2016 8:40 PM
Capac - 18 Sep 2016 2:08 PM

Thank you for posting that I was very curious how they do it I enjoyed watching Mathew Leckie smash his inside parts of that first Assist was superb is present on the field positioning placement and tracking back excellent and then the way he dealt with me to buy an Defenders the one we should have scored a goal kicking it into the goalkeepers met with a miracle reflex save eventually would have done for people if he scored that and it would have been probably the best goal he scored in his life

I don't think computer scoring captures that

whoscore gave Leckie 2nd best player, behide the guy who got 3 assist for Bayern

i think it people in Australia who don't understand how good  Leckie is playing right now, for Australia and his club
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:53 PM
adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:48 PM

what is your native language ifyou dont mind me asking

gypsy


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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:48 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:38 PM

well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :)       but it is my  broken English :)

what is your native language ifyou dont mind me asking

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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:40 PM

Yes
But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted. 

so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes
also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes

still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game

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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:40 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:38 PM

Mooys role though is to be a link between attack and defence. If he cuts out a line with a pass and does it with the highest accuracy in the league that is one of the most important parts of his job

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But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted. 
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:38 PM
adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:35 PM

I kinda agree with your broken English.
You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference.

well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :)       but it is my  broken English :)
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Sparta up 1-0, no marking at the back post. 


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moops - 18 Sep 2016 7:30 PM
TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 7:17 PM

Should be, sorry Spata at 10:30

Sparta is now. Dougall on the bench. Goodwin out injured I believe.


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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:35 PM

I kinda agree with your broken English.
You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference.

Mooys role though is to be a link between attack and defence. If he cuts out a line with a pass and does it with the highest accuracy in the league that is one of the most important parts of his job. A forward pass that takes out a player is just as effective as a take on that does the same.

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Capac - 18 Sep 2016 2:08 PM
Huddersfield forum seems to think Mooy looked a bit tired and off his game today. He's played a lot recently on top of travelling.

QPR forum in meltdown so no news on how Luongo played.



Thank you for posting that I was very curious how they do it I enjoyed watching Mathew Leckie smash his inside parts of that first Assist was superb is present on the field positioning placement and tracking back excellent and then the way he dealt with me to buy an Defenders the one we should have scored a goal kicking it into the goalkeepers met with a miracle reflex save eventually would have done for people if he scored that and it would have been probably the best goal he scored in his life

I don't think computer scoring captures that
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that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to  make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football)

the total number of passing is also not  statistical importance

what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more  important on the number of times passing the ball go past   defense positions

I kinda agree with your broken English.
You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference.
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 5:26 PM
whoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes
from what I can tell their formula looks something like this

+0.2 for a tackle or intercept
+0.1 for a clearance
-1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card
-0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around
-0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded
+1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line

+0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball
+0.2 for a 15m dribble
+1 for goal/assist/hit post
-0.2 for being tackled/disposessed
+0.2 for a shot on target
also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch

that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to  make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football)

the total number of passing is also not  statistical importance

what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more  important on the number of times passing the ball go past   defense positions

p.s great job in finding there formula, i was looking for it...but from what i know, they give points for winning headers to
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playmaker11 - 18 Sep 2016 8:13 PM
Jeggo was top notch, riding high with Graz. They play Salzburg in two weeks.

Dougall and Mauk on the bench. No Goodwin.



What, really?
Meaning Goodwin
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Jeggo was top notch, riding high with Graz. They play Salzburg in two weeks.

Dougall and Mauk on the bench. No Goodwin.




By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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