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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Pretty sure a league owners lose a lot of money. yes this is English Championship League loses https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15S9v9-B-MrxThdtVZYN-U3Rf2FeWhSzc29NP_6udSec/edit#gid=1the 24 team lost £310m on £430m turnover debt £972m interest on debt £32m So weve established everyone loses money. Ok lets just have a closed league then. The current model is unsustainable, and our admin is not transparent, practice nepotism, run our top tier like its a game show ....but its the devil everone knows right? Because its better than the nsl. the A-League, is very successfully, for how shit it can be in Australia......l lets not for get, There are clubs in dutch 2nd league that pay €1000 a month , and players are full time....Netherlands with 17 million population, and no other pro sports league in the country, can not find 36 pro teams The eredivisie definitely something to aspire to. 18 teams. And 20 in the 2nd div. id be happy with 12 and 8 tbh. aspire to? so, let have clubs paying €1000 euros a month to players in wagers ...i guess they can apply for the dole at the same time 18 pro clubs is the ultimate goal... anyway dont be so obsessed w europe,, look at asia, malaysia have 12.. and 12 div2 .. if malaysia can manage it, im sure we can. Its not the death knell youre trying to make it out to be. what other pro league teams sports do they have malaysia ? the Malaysia Super League got only a little bit more people watching then what goes to watch Netball League in Australia , and that indoors
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | I might as well take the highest attendance for clubs in the 11 year history of the league and say its going gangbusters. You could say that, but you'd be wrong. No matter how much spin the FFA fanboys want put on it, the harsh reality is the HAL has basically stood still for the last 11 years and with clubs like Brisbane begging for money to pay players its hard to say its healthy financially either. Unfortunately you cant blame the effniks this time round
| Season | HAL Regular Season Average (Excludes Finals) | | 2005–06 | 10,956 | | 2006–07 | 12,911 | | 2007–08 | 14,610 | | 2008–09 | 12,180 | | 2009–10 | 9,793 | | 2010–11 | 8,429 | | 2011–12 | 10,497 | | 2012–13 | 12,347 | | 2013–14 | 13,041 | | 2014–15 | 12,511 | | 2015–16 | 12,326 |
those number make the A-League, the 16th most game attended Football(soccer) league in the world.....are you saying by adding P/R the A-League will get more people to the game, the A-league past Brasileiro Série A and Football League Championship maybe, just maybe, the A_League (soccer) will never get more support ... why do we believe the A-League going to get more people to the game then NRL? Only people believing and striving for that is the FFA m8. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Pretty sure a league owners lose a lot of money. yes this is English Championship League loses https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15S9v9-B-MrxThdtVZYN-U3Rf2FeWhSzc29NP_6udSec/edit#gid=1the 24 team lost £310m on £430m turnover debt £972m interest on debt £32m So weve established everyone loses money. Ok lets just have a closed league then. The current model is unsustainable, and our admin is not transparent, practice nepotism, run our top tier like its a game show ....but its the devil everone knows right? Because its better than the nsl. Then people forget that even AFL/NRL clubs funded with billions dollar tv deals also lose money *shock horror
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying.
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+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception.
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+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Pretty sure a league owners lose a lot of money. yes this is English Championship League loses https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15S9v9-B-MrxThdtVZYN-U3Rf2FeWhSzc29NP_6udSec/edit#gid=1the 24 team lost £310m on £430m turnover Yes have no doubt this is the case as Club owners "Invest" to get to the Premier League. Only natural.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Well it would have yes. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | I might as well take the highest attendance for clubs in the 11 year history of the league and say its going gangbusters. You could say that, but you'd be wrong. No matter how much spin the FFA fanboys want put on it, the harsh reality is the HAL has basically stood still for the last 11 years and with clubs like Brisbane begging for money to pay players its hard to say its healthy financially either. Unfortunately you cant blame the effniks this time round
| Season | HAL Regular Season Average (Excludes Finals) | | 2005–06 | 10,956 | | 2006–07 | 12,911 | | 2007–08 | 14,610 | | 2008–09 | 12,180 | | 2009–10 | 9,793 | | 2010–11 | 8,429 | | 2011–12 | 10,497 | | 2012–13 | 12,347 | | 2013–14 | 13,041 | | 2014–15 | 12,511 | | 2015–16 | 12,326 |
Maybe its just me that they look like solid fucking numbers. It terms of actual club growth i'd look to membership numbers first, which indicate steady growth in core club support. In terms of clubs losing money. It is certainly an issue that needs addressing. And for what its worth, i'm all for a club like SMFC (or any other ethnic based club that could potentially draw 7-8k to games) to join the league. But don't try and feed us bullshit like before where you pull the lowest numbers in the history of each A-League club as some sort of proof that the league is a basket case. It just discredits your argument and makes you look silly. Those stats were to show people who say old NSL clubs wont attrack more than 3000 to games HAL also has some bad attendance numbers.
Straight from the membership thread:
16/17 = 85,981 (currently)
15/16 = 109,377 ........ as of round 1 2015 membership count was: 89,437
14/15 = 114,521 ........ as of Round 1 2014 membership count was: 97,252
13/14 = 94,520 ........ as of Round 1 2013 membership count was: 86,352
Solid but still not that impressive and there is the underlying issue that about 40% of the total members are from 2 clubs, Victory & Wanderers.
I agree the HAL numbers are reasonably solid, but growth has stagnated and many of the teams are struggling, despite the many more millions of dollars FFA has had to spent. compared to what was available to the NSL,
Dont think you can argue that ethnic ties are holding the game back now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Pretty sure a league owners lose a lot of money. yes this is English Championship League loses https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15S9v9-B-MrxThdtVZYN-U3Rf2FeWhSzc29NP_6udSec/edit#gid=1the 24 team lost £310m on £430m turnover Yes have no doubt this is the case as Club owners "Invest" to get to the Premier League. Only natural. The reward of EPL riches is worth it
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago
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+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game
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If people think that some of the ethnic NSL clubs can't survive then they shouldn't be afraid to open up the football pyramid and give every club a chance of playing top flight football. What's there to be scared of if you truly believe these clubs won't be able to achieve anything? And if they do achieve something, is there anything wrong with our top flight clubs being the strongest 10/12/14 in Australia regardless of where they are located and who started them?
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+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. Exactly Wouldn't wait 5 years, just get on with it. Sooner some of these shit franchises get relegated and die the better.
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+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So for you there's only 2 options. A-League and FFA or NSL and Soccer Australia. You obviously aren't a thinking man.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago Point is open your eyes and recognize that the NSL & the Communit Clubs contribute significantly to Australian Soccer and in fact if it wasn't for the old NSL there wouldn't even be a HAL Even the FFA has recognized the contribution of the NSL & is starting to embrace it (FFA Cup, history & stats, etc) so you are not in line with your FFA masters.Also unfortunately for your world view some of the "bad old NSL" clubs are already in your beloved HAL (Adelaide, Perth & Brisbane) and most interestingly majority of the crowd problems come from the "new soccer" clubs (Victory, City, Wanderers, & Sydney FC).Stoopid statements like "Soccer wasn't dead 11 years ago" are ignorant and despite all the hate you have towards the old NSL, all the community based clubs still survived (unlike some of the plastic franchises from the HAL & NSL) with may celebrating 50+ year anniversaries. Keep hating but they will still be around long after you are gone.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago Point is open your eyes and recognize that the NSL & the Communit Clubs contribute significantly to Australian Soccer and in fact if it wasn't for the old NSL there wouldn't even be a HAL Even the FFA has recognized the contribution of the NSL & is starting to embrace it (FFA Cup, history & stats, etc) so you are not in line with your FFA masters.Also unfortunately for your world view some of the "bad old NSL" clubs are already in your beloved HAL (Adelaide, Perth & Brisbane) and most interestingly majority of the crowd problems come from the "new soccer" clubs (Victory, City, Wanderers, & Sydney FC).Stoopid statements like "Soccer wasn't dead 11 years ago" are ignorant and despite all the hate you have towards the old NSL, all the community based clubs still survived (unlike some of the plastic franchises from the HAL & NSL) with may celebrating 50+ year anniversaries. Keep hating but they will still be around long after you are gone. :w00t::laugh::w00t::laugh::w00t:
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. no, what we don't want, is to be dead...stagnation is better then dead there is a 2nd div, it called the NPL if clubs want to play in the A-League, they should submit a plan to the A-League
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+xIf people think that some of the ethnic NSL clubs can't survive then they shouldn't be afraid to open up the football pyramid and give every club a chance of playing top flight football. What's there to be scared of if you truly believe these clubs won't be able to achieve anything? And if they do achieve something, is there anything wrong with our top flight clubs being the strongest 10/12/14 in Australia regardless of where they are located and who started them? the A-League is open, put up the money, and have a good plan on why the A-League will be better with this new club oh wait, you mean to let the losers in who don't have enough money to run a professional sports team
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. This is an excellent proposal imo. I'd suggest a 10 team 2nd division. After 5 years the two top sides based on a range of criteria, (ie: infrastructure, potential fansbase, financial solvency etc) gain promotion to the A-League. We'll then have a 12 team 1st division. Meanwhile, NPL clubs who may be intersted can apply for the 2nd division to bring it back up to 10 teams. Repeat process until we have two 14, or 16 team divisions.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago Point is open your eyes and recognize that the NSL & the Communit Clubs contribute significantly to Australian Soccer and in fact if it wasn't for the old NSL there wouldn't even be a HAL Even the FFA has recognized the contribution of the NSL & is starting to embrace it (FFA Cup, history & stats, etc) so you are not in line with your FFA masters.Also unfortunately for your world view some of the "bad old NSL" clubs are already in your beloved HAL (Adelaide, Perth & Brisbane) and most interestingly majority of the crowd problems come from the "new soccer" clubs (Victory, City, Wanderers, & Sydney FC).Stoopid statements like "Soccer wasn't dead 11 years ago" are ignorant and despite all the hate you have towards the old NSL, all the community based clubs still survived (unlike some of the plastic franchises from the HAL & NSL) with may celebrating 50+ year anniversaries. Keep hating but they will still be around long after you are gone. great, the Community Clubs are in there righfullt place....doing Community work
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. This is an excellent proposal imo. I'd suggest a 10 team 2nd division. After 5 years the two top sides based on a range of criteria, (ie: infrastructure, potential fansbase, financial solvency etc) gain promotion to the A-League. We'll then have a 12 team 1st division. Meanwhile, NPL clubs who may be intersted can apply for the 2nd division to bring it back up to 10 teams. Repeat process until we have two 14, or 16 team divisions. why don't they just submit the plan to the A-League, and join now?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. This is an excellent proposal imo. I'd suggest a 10 team 2nd division. After 5 years the two top sides based on a range of criteria, (ie: infrastructure, potential fansbase, financial solvency etc) gain promotion to the A-League. We'll then have a 12 team 1st division. Meanwhile, NPL clubs who may be intersted can apply for the 2nd division to bring it back up to 10 teams. Repeat process until we have two 14, or 16 team divisions. why don't they just submit the plan to the A-League, and join now? chicken egg
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. This is an excellent proposal imo. I'd suggest a 10 team 2nd division. After 5 years the two top sides based on a range of criteria, (ie: infrastructure, potential fansbase, financial solvency etc) gain promotion to the A-League. We'll then have a 12 team 1st division. Meanwhile, NPL clubs who may be intersted can apply for the 2nd division to bring it back up to 10 teams. Repeat process until we have two 14, or 16 team divisions. why don't they just submit the plan to the A-League, and join now? chicken egg fuck...the chicken came 1st
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+x+xIf people think that some of the ethnic NSL clubs can't survive then they shouldn't be afraid to open up the football pyramid and give every club a chance of playing top flight football. What's there to be scared of if you truly believe these clubs won't be able to achieve anything? And if they do achieve something, is there anything wrong with our top flight clubs being the strongest 10/12/14 in Australia regardless of where they are located and who started them? the A-League is open, put up the money, and have a good plan on why the A-League will be better with this new club oh wait, you mean to let the losers in who don't have enough money to run a professional sports team How do you define enough money to run a professional team? Last I heard, most of the clubs in the A-league were bleeding money. The FFA shouldn't force clubs to spend a certain amount of their cap. If a club can't afford it because the revenue between a CCM and MV is different, then they shouldn't be forced to spend the same amount.
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+x+xIf people think that some of the ethnic NSL clubs can't survive then they shouldn't be afraid to open up the football pyramid and give every club a chance of playing top flight football. What's there to be scared of if you truly believe these clubs won't be able to achieve anything? And if they do achieve something, is there anything wrong with our top flight clubs being the strongest 10/12/14 in Australia regardless of where they are located and who started them? the A-League is open, put up the money, and have a good plan on why the A-League will be better with this new club oh wait, you mean to let the losers in who don't have enough money to run a professional sports team Who would have guessed, another stoopid comment.
South Melbourne FC has confirmed an offer of more than $3.5 million to buy Melbourne Heart A-League club, and raised the prospect of Brazilian ex-international Emerson as coach.South Melbourne responded via its Facebook account to reports that they had approached Heart with the offer, only to be rejected.The statement read in full: "Following yesterday’s (Wednesday) media reports … and statements made by the CEO of the Melbourne Heart (Scott Munn) South Melbourne FC wishes to confirm the following:• South Melbourne FC that it made an offer to acquire 100% of the Melbourne Heart Licence.
• The offer was in excess of 3.5 million
• The offer was made after several discussions between Heart & SMFC Directors.
• South Melbourne FC has received an expression of interest from Emerson (Brazilian Legend) to coach and has already secured Major Sponsors for its A-League ambitions."
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC. Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate. Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence. The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability. Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation. Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access. yes...but how do you think it work in Europe? the A-League is very successful league in how fast and how little money owners lose Isn't amazing how people see things? Like the three blind men describing an elephant. http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2015/10/07/league-clubs-face-financial-strife/The decision to establish a new national competition in 2005 with each of the clubs under private ownership is the main reason why the A-League is the most financially unstable elite football tournament in the country.The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. The near-collapse of Brisbane and Newcastle Jets in the past 12 months seems to have more to do with big financial problems of each club’s owners, rather than the stand-alone business performance of the franchises. Report from 2013 Report from 2015 by John Stensholt The 10 A-League clubs are set to lose at least a combined $10 million for the 2014-15 season, which ended on the weekend ahead of the start of a three-week finals campaign.Three clubs, Melbourne Victory, Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United are set to record profits, offsetting losses by the remaining seven clubs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdGhttp://www.afr.com/business/sport/aleague-losses-falling-though-tv-ratings-are-as-well-20150424-1ms93m#ixzz4KMjHVBdG The fact is Football is not exactly a profitable sport, in fact only the USA Sporting model make profits except for MLS. The problem we have is our game is Global not local. In the Australian Sporting Landscape AFL, NRL and ARU Club losses are the norm rather than the exception. so what do you want Arthur, you want to go back to community clubs like in NSL days? A_league clubs only losing $20 million a year, is fucking very good in the world of Football,,,but FFA is also keeping some of the money the A_league, to fund the development the game So your measure of success is how little money the franchises lose? But they were promised profits after four years? What we don't want is stagnation and we currently have that. A more open competition would be a great start and create more investment and more excitement in the game. It clear what should happen and that is a 2nd Division be established and interested parties be invited to tender for participation. A 5 year moratorium on promotion/relegation to the A-League allowing the clubs/franchises in the 2nd Division to establish the necessary infrastructure to close the gap between the 1st and 2nd Division. That after a period of time to allow clubs or franchises from the State/NPL competitions to seek promotion to the 2nd Division based on key criteria. Its really not that hard. This is an excellent proposal imo. I'd suggest a 10 team 2nd division. After 5 years the two top sides based on a range of criteria, (ie: infrastructure, potential fansbase, financial solvency etc) gain promotion to the A-League. We'll then have a 12 team 1st division. Meanwhile, NPL clubs who may be intersted can apply for the 2nd division to bring it back up to 10 teams. Repeat process until we have two 14, or 16 team divisions. why don't they just submit the plan to the A-League, and join now? You see when you make comments like this you make the case FOR promotion/relegation stronger. You have such a bee in your bonnet about the NSL and use it as your negative reference point that you cannot use logic to see that some "Football Culture specific" changes and additions would move the game forward in a positive way. The promotion/relegation movement is now positioned as a positive, progressive and enlightened ideology that is taking a life of it's own creating a pressure on the FFA Board and Executive that will make it inevitable. The Anti promotion/relegation brigade is sending out negative and conservative messages bringing up irrelevant issues in a changed landscape from 11 years, 20 years and 40 years ago. Offering exclusion and more of the same that even the franchisee owners are not happy with. We all accept that the FFA is the controlling body of the game here. Its up to the FFA in many ways to put expansion out to tender, but they haven't and they won't in the short term. The FFA has made it clear they have interest in creating a franchise in the Sutherland Shire to capitalise on the "Derby Concept". Todays article about the A-League franchises Chairmen refusing to sit at the FFA dinner for the FIFA officials should be ringing alarm bells to you, but you Conveniently appear to ignore these alarm bells. And hence I say to you keep up your stance and commentary as it is as it only makes the viewpoint I have more positive relative and progressive by the day. Thank you.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago Point is open your eyes and recognize that the NSL & the Communit Clubs contribute significantly to Australian Soccer and in fact if it wasn't for the old NSL there wouldn't even be a HAL Even the FFA has recognized the contribution of the NSL & is starting to embrace it (FFA Cup, history & stats, etc) so you are not in line with your FFA masters.Also unfortunately for your world view some of the "bad old NSL" clubs are already in your beloved HAL (Adelaide, Perth & Brisbane) and most interestingly majority of the crowd problems come from the "new soccer" clubs (Victory, City, Wanderers, & Sydney FC).Stoopid statements like "Soccer wasn't dead 11 years ago" are ignorant and despite all the hate you have towards the old NSL, all the community based clubs still survived (unlike some of the plastic franchises from the HAL & NSL) with may celebrating 50+ year anniversaries. Keep hating but they will still be around long after you are gone. great, the Community Clubs are in there righfullt place....doing Community work By the way you may not know that Victoria every year sends over $1.7million to the FFA in capitation fees. As about $100,000 from a sporting body will start off investment by Council State and Federal governments in infrastructure. That's money that could be used to establish seed capital for 17 synthetic pitches per year. Or it could be used to improve 17 Football facilities with change rooms, reception facilities all the things needed to run good clubs. Or we could run well funded school programs. Or we could invest in Boutique stadiums 2 or 3 10-15,000 seater stadiums would be great. But we can't because money from kids aged 6 to 18 is going to the FFA. By the way 60% of an AFC coaching Licence goes straight to the FFA even though the State federations run the C and B Licences! With that kind of money available to invest in facilities and coach education Community Clubs could do so much more for the game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelbourne Knight and SMFC are never getting into the A-League.....all SMFC can do, is do what the Greeks do best , cry, bitch, moan, backstab.c onspire, destroy any good in society there jealous brains leads them to The amusing part of this commentary and some of your previous commentary regarding promotion/relegation and the former NSL Clubs or Ethnic Clubs as you prefer is that the more you post (and that goes for some others along your lines) are actually helping my cause for Promotion and Relegation and the acceptance of "Ethnic Clubs" in this diatribe. The conversation is being held more and more often not only on this forum but in social media and mainstream football media. Just to sooth the nay sayers on this topic as happens all over the world the football pyramid is based on promotion and relegation that we can all agree on. What nay sayers conveniently forget is that as you go up the levels Criteria (as the FIFA Statutes state) plays a role. To be in the A-League you need a fulltime CEO, you need a football department, a marketing department, training facilities, access to private funding to cover losses, an adequate stadium etc. etc. On this basis alone the vast majority of Club outside the A-League are not ready nor able to be promoted to the A-League overnight. Its common sense. i doubt i have that much power , to help the day the A-League is forces to have promotion and relegation, is the day the A-League will be dead, it will be rip apart by the by AFL, NRL , and women 20/20 Cricket Such a drama queen. drama queen. is when there 50,000 watching women big bash at MCG, and 3000 watching SMFC play Yeah right, the 4,500 that watched City v Mariners last season is much more impressive. that still 50% higher, and it does't help with the idea, that A-League can not fail just like NBL and NSL before them Hate to break it to you but HAL isnt doing that great, particularly when you consider how much extra money they have had to spend compared to the NSL. Lowest attendance records below for HAL are pretty embarrassing for majority of clubs
| Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 | Some of those were not at their home stadiums. | Club | Lowest Attendance | | North Queensland Fury | 1,003 - | | Gold Coast United | 1,141 - | | New Zealand Knights | 1,632 | | Adelaide United | 2,363 - Carrington Park, Bathurst, NSW | | Melbourne City | 2,754 | | Wellington Phoenix | 3,060 | | Newcastle Jets | 3,114 - Port Macquarie Regional Stadium | | Brisbane Roar | 3,522 - Skilled Park, Robina, QLD | | Sydney FC | 4,012 | | Perth Glory | 4,433 | | Central Coast Mariners | 4,508 | | Melbourne Victory | 5,268 - Aurora Stadium, Launceston, TAS | | Western Sydney Wanderers | 6,755 |
Fury attendance was also like two days after a cyclone hit the region (the surrounding highways around Townsville were still cut due to flooding ffs). -PB People like adrtho2 & paulc keep mentioning how small crowds would be if SMFC or other old NSL clubs were admitted to HAL so list was provided because HAL has had plenty of pathetic crowds as well.
The problem with you FFA fanboys is that you have no idea. The game between Gold Coast & Fury was played at Skilled Park which is on the Gold Coast .I am sure the floods stopped heaps of Fury fans from making the 15 hour drive from Townsville. Keep trying. Gold Coast dead and Fury is in .NPL Queensland....Fury tried to become a community club to stay in the A-League, but could only come up with $300,000... whats is your point? I'm FFA fanboys, because Soccer was dead in Australia 11 years ago Point is open your eyes and recognize that the NSL & the Communit Clubs contribute significantly to Australian Soccer and in fact if it wasn't for the old NSL there wouldn't even be a HAL Even the FFA has recognized the contribution of the NSL & is starting to embrace it (FFA Cup, history & stats, etc) so you are not in line with your FFA masters.Also unfortunately for your world view some of the "bad old NSL" clubs are already in your beloved HAL (Adelaide, Perth & Brisbane) and most interestingly majority of the crowd problems come from the "new soccer" clubs (Victory, City, Wanderers, & Sydney FC).Stoopid statements like "Soccer wasn't dead 11 years ago" are ignorant and despite all the hate you have towards the old NSL, all the community based clubs still survived (unlike some of the plastic franchises from the HAL & NSL) with may celebrating 50+ year anniversaries. Keep hating but they will still be around long after you are gone. great, the Community Clubs are in there righfullt place....doing Community work By the way you may not know that Victoria every year sends over $1.7million to the FFA in capitation fees. As about $100,000 from a sporting body will start off investment by Council State and Federal governments in infrastructure. That's money that could be used to establish seed capital for 17 synthetic pitches per year. Or it could be used to improve 17 Football facilities with change rooms, reception facilities all the things needed to run good clubs. Or we could run well funded school programs. Or we could invest in Boutique stadiums 2 or 3 10-15,000 seater stadiums would be great. But we can't because money from kids aged 6 to 18 is going to the FFA. By the way 60% of an AFC coaching Licence goes straight to the FFA even though the State federations run the C and B Licences! With that kind of money available to invest in facilities and coach education Community Clubs could do so much more for the game. This is a travesty that needs to be corrected.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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