Mooys already scored more goals than leckie and kruse and has a better scoring record than Viduka and Kewell and they were in the OFC lol... almost a goal every 2 games...from a bloody midfielder..

Edited by jas88: 9/3/2016 04:52:32 PM

1000, 2000 what ?

small sample probably just the mean average of the back four time on ball. no standard deviation or error.
just simple stuff matey. Just to prove point that our league is so damn slow it's like the players want to sit down and have lunch

the study look at total km the English team run, and found they didn't run any more then teams from other leagues

for every Nemanja Matic, there might be a lazy cunt who run less then he should

So whqt you're saying is that with less representation in the competition, a player from an English side still managed to run 5km more than his closest rival, and that with less representation 20% of the top 10 players are from English sides?

Oh ok.

That is not in dispute, Decentric. His contribution to this thread has been good, I've considered things from different angles (e.g. Gersbach's suitability as a winger on the basis of how he is built) and I agree with quite a bit he says.

I'm glad to hear that his influence has led to such positive and direct impacts upon young players.

Nevertheless, this is an interesting discussion without a right or wrong answer. Some will agree with New Signing, others will agree with me. This is attested to by the comments of others on the forum.

I agree that quality coaching education (and to a lesser extent player background) are highly useful here. But football is not rocket science. Anyone can have an opinion (and it's not necessarily rendered incorrect, even less correct, by way of background).

New Signing, I'll respond to your posts (hopefully with some adequacy) this evening. I have work now. I figured I could make lighter work of Decentric's.

You need both quickness in the brain and the body.

The brain to make the right decision in the quickest time, the body to execute the decision.

Quickness in the body isn't just about how fast a player runs-its also how quickly he can execute the foot to ball movement. ie quick feet.


Mooys mental and physical quickness is above the majority of A-league players but would be found lacking at the highest level

cool, i look forward to any new stats

what the fuck does that show? how many English teams was in Champ league Group stage ? this show 10 players , and two of them was from EPL

Postecoglou has already alluded to Mooys shortcomings (that Mooy wasn't being called on by the media).

Excessive dwelling on the ball has been his issue since playing at AM with City.

As has his decision-making: he will choose to run into a pack of 3 opponents, spin around 360 degrees and then try to thread a pass to a team mate who was free all along that he could have done with a one-touch pass at the start.

He can get away with it in the A-League but even against Jordan he was caught and turned it over. The Sth Americans and Europeans will destroy him at a World Cup.

As they say in football its about the speed in the brain not how fast they can, how fast they can think under pressure and execute and less so about the speed in the body.

Mooy might not be the quickest but he's a very intelligent and creative footballer.

Andrea Pirlo, Andres Iniesta comes to my mind as not the quickest in the body but with the brain.

Anticipate, Solve and Execute!

"1000, 2000, ... shit my crayon broke ..."

A few seasons ago eh? How about this one from 2014 that shows that Nemanja Matic has covered the most distance in the Champions League by around 5km more than the closest person to him (being Claudemir from Copenhagen), with comparable game time?

And not only that, Chelsea have two players in the top 10, the other being Mohammad Salah who has run the 10th most in the Champions League.

Again, you're talking shit.

Edited by Draupnir: 9/3/2016 01:04:09 PM

Reaction time and decision making. Yes I watch football. Yes on TV.

Amount time between leagues, especially at the back when the ball is being kicked around.

Time for a decision to be made, maybe I time it. Would this be difficult, no. How long player sits on ball before passing. Do the obvious comparisons first. I'll do this just to prove it. Start this weekend by comparing mid-table team in A-League to mid-table team in Premier league.

I'll pull the data like a sample in statistics just do be more accurate.

Edited by highkick05: 9/3/2016 12:56:48 PM

Quickflick, New Signing knows his football, mate.

Like Benjamin, PV4, Someguy, Biscuitman, or Melbourne Terrace (when in analytical mode), even if I initially disagree with what they post, they usually have sound rationale for the positions they hold.

New Signing may not realise it, but from initially listening to, then acting on NS's sage advice, a few young men are currently playing senior NPL at an early age.

I really think you are confusing handling speed and tempo. Mooy has the ability to control the tempo of the game when on the ball, that may be through holding onto it a little longer or playing it first time.

We haven't discussed a players physical speed over the turf and nor do we need to in this discussion, so your point in relation to balotelli and totti is irrelevant.

Vardy and Mahrez are two examples, you'll find players with similar stories in most teams.

I never said anything about playing with pirlo, I said playing against........

We can discuss whether mooy has good/bad or indifferent first touch all day long at the end of the day it comes down to the end result of his game and at the moment he is doing the business. It's possible players taking the ball in the direction they want to go with their first touch instead of killing it dead is being mistaken by some as a poor touch.

Id love to see some links to where someone/anyone has discussed mooy's issues in European football as like I said, few if any would have known who he was when he was at Bolton and may have only just figured out who is was at st Mirren before he came back here.

Personally I don't think he does have issues with his first touch or handling speed, I think its his style of play and its working......

I may be proven wrong but I thought a lot of the time squad announcements and other major news was released early on a wednesday morning, tomorrow would be about 2weeks before Adelaide game so I would be surprised if it wasn't released by Friday morning at the latest

this was last week and there is still no NT squad announcement - or announcement of the date of the announcement....

"Postecoglou will finalise his squad by the end of the week for this month’s pivotal FIFA 2018 World Cup qualifiers against Tajikistan and Jordan."

i wish the ffa was more transparent. every other sport there seems to be much better discussion and openness about this kind of thing.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ange-postecoglou-forecasts-new-faces-for-next-caltex-socceroos-squad/1y2j0kc5a728l165km2whg6b3n



Edited by inala brah: 8/3/2016 02:59:23 PM

tards gonna hate

Davide82

True that. He wasn't the standout player in the league when was at Western Sydney Wanders. But now he's one of, if not the, standout player in the league.

What's the differnets anyway

I do agree with basically all your assessments but I don't think it's fair to imply Mooy came back and was suddenly the best player in the league.

He was just a decent cog in the WSW team with Ono ahead of him and had to look elsewhere after a couple of seasons to find a team that could utilise his strengths

It's really not as simple as : crap in Scotland to superstar of A-League in the blink of an eye

what don't you understand

if player does X
X doesn't reduce the team probability of scoring a goal
& X doesn't increase opponent team probability of scoring a goal
then X = it doesn't fucking matter

prentendee that you can't speakee engrish

what?

Edited by adrtho: 8/3/2016 01:15:49 PM

do you have a google translate program to produce this?

who give a fuck about Mooy first touch or he speed , this shit only matters if his touch reduce the team probability of a goal or increase opponent team probability of goal

Mooy skill is the team probability of a goal increase when Mooy is part of the play sequence....that the fucking greatest skill to have in football

Edited by adrtho: 8/3/2016 01:15:09 PM

This I think is an instance of a false dichotomy that is now emerging when we compare the Premier League with the Serie A.

People are so used to hearing the experts compare the fast-paced nature of the Premier League in comparison to the Serie A, La Liga, etc.

They then take this to mean that it's not necessary to be quick on the ball to be a top-flight footballer. It's not an either you're fast and fit in well in the Premier League or you're slow but you get on fine in the Serie A scenario.

In actual fact, Serie A players can be fast (and certainly aren't slow). The nature of the league is such that it's not played as frenetically as the Premier League. But when they need to put their foot down, they can.

Is Mario Balotelli slow? How about Francesco Totti?

But the point is that if a player is genuinely slow on the ball and has average touch, it doesn't mean that just because he can't handle the pace of the Premier League, he can prosper in the Serie A. No. His first touch will get tested and when he finds himself under pressure in tight spaces, he'll struggle. Believe it or not but in the Serie A, players find themselves having to control the ball in tight spaces and to think on their feet.

at 21 Mile Jedinak is running around with Sydney United in NSW PL

there a big differnets to 21 years if age and 26 years old...

Edited by adrtho: 8/3/2016 12:44:17 PM

Firstly, Vardy and Mahrez are very much the exception not the rule. Nine times out of ten, the best players went through the academy from their pre-teenage years. Maybe they moved from one academy to another, but they definitely stayed and had went through the NT's youth set-up.

Now, I agree with you, that there are players whom the system misses. Vardy and Mahrez may well be examples of such. As I've said above, Rogic is another such example.

But here's where it's no good to say 'oh well Vardy did this, therefore...'

You need to be more analytical.

Vardy and Mahrez are both as fast as fuck, both clinical finishers and (certainly in Mahrez's case) very, very strong on the ball. Mahrez absolutely dazzles on the ball.

Albeit, Mooy is a different position. Does Mooy have that kind of speed and technical ability? No, he does not.

He has suspect first touch and takes too long. So that's where your analogy falls down.



I daresay the coaching staff paid a lot of attention. Look, I agree with you (and others) that some players just don't find their feet under certain managers, in certain teams, etc. Then they move elsewhere and all of a sudden it's piss easy for them to do stuff they could never do at their old club.

Players do fall through the system. That's where stories like that of Vardy, Mahrez and (to a lesser extent) Rogic are great to hear. The system(s) need to get better at spotting such players in the first place.

I actually had not dissimilar experiences to this when I played football a lot when I was younger.

But as I say, one needs to be analytical. The areas of Mooy's came which came under fire when he was in Europe are areas where he still has issues and which are key components of football; first touch and speed on the ball. It's a bit like having an opening batsman who doesn't know how to block the ball but plays a lovely cover drive. Well that might be Mooy.




Maybe I am. But what every footballer manager/scout needs to be able to do is to deconstruct this issue. You need to look at things in isolation because that's where the players will run into trouble. How well does Mooy do the simple things?

If he has problems with the most critical things to his position (first touch, handling speed), then we have big problems.

As for whom Pirlo would prefer to play with. Tough one (and imponderable). I daresay he'd love to have a player with Rogic's technical ability in front of him. They could combine beautifully. But you may be right that he'd prefer a player with Mooy's versatility.

The problem is that Pirlo is Pirlo. He's on another level. You build a team around Pirlo.

We don't have Pirlo. The most technically strong player we have is Rogic.

Edited by quickflick: 8/3/2016 12:53:12 PM