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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Kaufusi has been totally debunked. the guys a fraud
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+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 'uckin oath. Straya mayte. What would those french know about football
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+xI agree slightly that the NTC program is coming to the end of it's time in it's current format although I don't think we have fully transitioned yet. The NTC program was set up because there was a significant gap in the training received by kids in the 15-17 age group, the whole goal was to maintain an elite system for the best players. With academies and the A league teams in the NPL this has improved but I don't think we will be fully transitioned until we have a much stronger NPL or second tier. When it does change it will be interesting to see what it morphs into. I've mentioned this before but I think our model draws a lot of inspiration operationally from the French Academy model that includes Clairefontaine, but their programs are focused in the 13-15 age group rather than 15-17, and there is less centralisation than the Australian program. Each academy functions for their respective state alone. I think this centralisation is one of the major issues with underage football in Australia these days, everything is so focused around the CoE that if you're not in the system you have less chance of being seen and/or progressing. It might have worked in the past but I think there is too much talent coming through these days for just 1 program, and having development pathways connected to underage teams isn't the most effective model. If you look at the u16/17 teams for countries like france, netherlands, spain etc these players are already in the academies of the professional clubs, and the development pathways are separate from representative duties. Overall I'd like to eventually see the NTC's dropped down to a lower age group. I don't see any problem in maintaining the system, having multiple pathways at younger age groups increases the amount of players coming through. I think separating the rep teams from the development systems will lead to much better results though in the long term. Ange has said he wants to see 3000 kids in elite programs in Australia, not just the small numbers now, which were closer to 150 for males a few years ago.
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+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 I usually agree with most of your posts, Jonsnow. I keep saying the same thing on here though. The FFA NC is an amalgamation of French, Dutch, Spanish and German methodology. They are similar. I've done exclusive Dutch coach education and there are a lot of similarities with the FFA NC. There are minute differences though. The FFA NC is based on studying the top football countries in the world. There are no short cuts to sustained international success. It will be a long process. If we had continued as we were it would've been unlikely we would've qualified for three successive World Cups, or won the Asian Cup for both men and women.
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+x+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 'uckin oath. Straya mayte. What would those french know about football A lot. When one views the French league they play very good football. It is always ranked the 5th top league in Europe. I'd also surmise there is less money than in the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga too. France has a very good coaching system.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Kaufusi has been totally debunked. the guys a fraud From what I've seen of him, Kaufusi posts quality posts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Kaufusi has been totally debunked. the guys a fraud From what I've seen of him, Kaufusi posts quality posts. He made a claim that A-league clubs had their own academies, which i debunked with a 15 second google search
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+x+x+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 'uckin oath. Straya mayte. What would those french know about football A lot. When one views the French league they play very good football. It is always ranked the 5th top league in Europe. I'd also surmise there is less money than in the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga too. France has a very good coaching system. Apologies for not making my sarcasm clear
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+x+x+x+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 'uckin oath. Straya mayte. What would those french know about football A lot. When one views the French league they play very good football. It is always ranked the 5th top league in Europe. I'd also surmise there is less money than in the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga too. France has a very good coaching system. Apologies for not making my sarcasm clear LOL! The French league is the one of the European big five we hear least about. From the new BEIN package on Fox, I can't get over how good the French league is. I'm more impressed with the lower ranked French clubs than the EPL. I've recently been to France and Portugal. They seem nowhere near as football mad as England, Scotland and Turkey when I've visited. However, the top clubs in Portugal, and most clubs in France, are very good technically in the top divisions.
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+x+x+x+x+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 'uckin oath. Straya mayte. What would those french know about football A lot. When one views the French league they play very good football. It is always ranked the 5th top league in Europe. I'd also surmise there is less money than in the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga too. France has a very good coaching system. Apologies for not making my sarcasm clear LOL! The French league is the one of the European big five we hear least about. From the new BEIN package on Fox, I can't get over how good the French league is. I'm more impressed with the lower ranked French clubs than the EPL. I've recently been to France and Portugal. They seem nowhere near as football mad as England, Scotland and Turkey when I've visited. However, the top clubs in Portugal, and most clubs in France, are very good technically in the top divisions. That last statement mate. That last statement is so wrong it just created a new word to describe it. Wrongerest
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Correct - we only have the 'senior' NPL side (which I believe is U21 only) and then our U20 NPL side (which is U19). The club is in advanced negotiations to build our Academy in Footscray however, and with the appointment of Paulo Cardoso as our Academy Director ( source) one would imagine that the club is well on the way to implementing the full Academy pathway. I know a lot of us Vuck fans have been frustrated at how slow things have been progressing, but it appears in the last 12 months the club has made great strides to rectifying the problem. Appointing someone with the pedigree of Cardoso gives me hope that, once in place, the Academy program will be the best in the country.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Correct - we only have the 'senior' NPL side (which I believe is U21 only) and then our U20 NPL side (which is U19). The club is in advanced negotiations to build our Academy in Footscray however, and with the appointment of Paulo Cardoso as our Academy Director ( source) one would imagine that the club is well on the way to implementing the full Academy pathway. I know a lot of us Vuck fans have been frustrated at how slow things have been progressing, but it appears in the last 12 months the club has made great strides to rectifying the problem. Appointing someone with the pedigree of Cardoso gives me hope that, once in place, the Academy program will be the best in the country. The 20's at both city and victory was made up of 2000 1999 and some 98. City asked for u18 for next year and we're denied by the ffv. This is also a problem when it comes to progression. It seems as if not everyone is on the same page.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Correct - we only have the 'senior' NPL side (which I believe is U21 only) and then our U20 NPL side (which is U19). The club is in advanced negotiations to build our Academy in Footscray however, and with the appointment of Paulo Cardoso as our Academy Director ( source) one would imagine that the club is well on the way to implementing the full Academy pathway. I know a lot of us Vuck fans have been frustrated at how slow things have been progressing, but it appears in the last 12 months the club has made great strides to rectifying the problem. Appointing someone with the pedigree of Cardoso gives me hope that, once in place, the Academy program will be the best in the country. The 20's at both city and victory was made up of 2000 1999 and some 98. City asked for u18 for next year and we're denied by the ffv. This is also a problem when it comes to progression. It seems as if not everyone is on the same page. Oh wow, that young?! Didn't realise they were really throwing teenagers into the mix. That said, I personally don't mind that - these kids really should be the cream of the crop, and learning how to deal with fuckwits and hack defenders from 15 years old puts them in a much better place than trying to learn it when they make their A-League debut at 19/20. Is your son part of the Victory or City setup (if at all)? If so, did they enjoy the experience?
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Its quite baffling that Victory, City, Adelaide and Brisbane still dont have academies yet i can understand Brisbane's financial problems but its poor that the other still don't have one yet.
How they don't see the benefits of having one like how it is all over the world?
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+xNone of it works , all this overseas bs , we try to turn aus kids into French one year the following year we go Dutch , maybe the year after the Belgiums are the flavor of the month .The Jap the Koreans don't forget the Germans and now by all accounts the Yanks have got a beast of a player in the Bundaslige Chasing stars the experts that post missives that say the same thing since 2005 , know it all in theory but when it comes to practice ...........0 And how else could we improve every country is looking to improve themselves? A good example was germany in 2000 they went to countries like france, holland and spain for ideas and it hasn't harmed them whatsoever. We have some great brains here but given how isolated we are from the rest of the world its vital we import knowledge if we want to further improve ourselves.
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+xIts quite baffling that Victory, City, Adelaide and Brisbane still dont have academies yet i can understand Brisbane's financial problems but its poor that the other still don't have one yet. How they don't see the benefits of having one like how it is all over the world? Whilst frustrating that the Vuck aren't setup asap, I do believe it's because they wanted to do it REALLY properly (i.e. full Euro style Academy where participants are onsite 24/7). As far as I am aware, no other A-League side provides that yet. In addition, the Victory had a bit of trouble in sourcing adequate land, but I believe a solution is currently being negotiated with Victoria University and the Council ( source) in Footscray. Victory have already appointed their Academy director in Paulo Cardoso ( source) - only the bloke who presided over the football factory at Sporting CP that produced the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and Ricardo Quaresma. If that is not a statement of intent of things to come from the club, then I don't know what is. Yes, it is frustrating that things aren't built yesterday, but I do believe most clubs have got fairly advanced plans in place to make it a reality.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Correct - we only have the 'senior' NPL side (which I believe is U21 only) and then our U20 NPL side (which is U19). The club is in advanced negotiations to build our Academy in Footscray however, and with the appointment of Paulo Cardoso as our Academy Director ( source) one would imagine that the club is well on the way to implementing the full Academy pathway. I know a lot of us Vuck fans have been frustrated at how slow things have been progressing, but it appears in the last 12 months the club has made great strides to rectifying the problem. Appointing someone with the pedigree of Cardoso gives me hope that, once in place, the Academy program will be the best in the country. The 20's at both city and victory was made up of 2000 1999 and some 98. City asked for u18 for next year and we're denied by the ffv. This is also a problem when it comes to progression. It seems as if not everyone is on the same page. Oh wow, that young?! Didn't realise they were really throwing teenagers into the mix. That said, I personally don't mind that - these kids really should be the cream of the crop, and learning how to deal with fuckwits and hack defenders from 15 years old puts them in a much better place than trying to learn it when they make their A-League debut at 19/20. Is your son part of the Victory or City setup (if at all)? If so, did they enjoy the experience? At city there was only one 98 in the 20's. My boy played 20's for the first half of the season then with the senior youth boys. Has trained with the HAL team and has loved every minute. Once all the HAL clubs can have u12s and up the better.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Kaufusi has been totally debunked. the guys a fraud From what I've seen of him, Kaufusi posts quality posts. He made a claim that A-league clubs had their own academies, which i debunked with a 15 second google search Ok yes, I presumed that as the Melbourne teams had teams in the NPL system, that they would follow their NSW counterparts by having the u18s, u20s and first grade NPL sides. Apparently not. And that the Victory, the largest and wealthiest club in the country had been working on their academy for some time now so I presumed they must have got it sorted by now. With City's resources the finances wouldn't have been a roadblock to their additions either. My apologies. And thanks for your words Decentric. Why does FFV deny the HAL clubs the opportunity to include youth teams? Don't they want to help create pathways for young Victorians kids to make it through to the HAL? It seems thus far only the NSW clubs have academies, 4/9 Aussie clubs. Scott Barlow has said how SFC would like to have teams going down to u8s within the next few years. Not in an on-site permanent living arrangement a la some European academies, but is it really necessary to take kids out of their homes and away from their families and schools at such a young age to improve their skills?
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If the SYD u 13s debacle is anything to go by I think we need proper accountability in regards to youth academy teams.
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pretty harsh on kaufusi calling him a fraud
a fraud is when someone claims to be someone they aren't not someone who makes a mistake on a recreational forum
has everyone on the forum been sleep deprived lately? Forum seems to be getting more antagonistic of every subject of late
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+xIf the SYD u 13s debacle is anything to go by I think we need proper accountability in regards to youth academy teams. There is always 2 sides to the story, some do it purely to suit their agendas. Peter Kat don't trust him!
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Regards to youth teams is it true that Mark Rudan has joined the national team set up as assistant coach to Gombau coaching the u23s?
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Mark Rudan is currently assisting the u20s for AFC finals in Bahrain , not sure if he is to move to u23s after this tournament but Gombou is there aswell.
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+xMark Rudan is currently assisting the u20s for AFC finals in Bahrain , not sure if he is to move to u23s after this tournament but Gombou is there aswell. That's a team you can trust.
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+x+xIts quite baffling that Victory, City, Adelaide and Brisbane still dont have academies yet i can understand Brisbane's financial problems but its poor that the other still don't have one yet. How they don't see the benefits of having one like how it is all over the world? Whilst frustrating that the Vuck aren't setup asap, I do believe it's because they wanted to do it REALLY properly (i.e. full Euro style Academy where participants are onsite 24/7). As far as I am aware, no other A-League side provides that yet. In addition, the Victory had a bit of trouble in sourcing adequate land, but I believe a solution is currently being negotiated with Victoria University and the Council ( source) in Footscray. Victory have already appointed their Academy director in Paulo Cardoso ( source) - only the bloke who presided over the football factory at Sporting CP that produced the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and Ricardo Quaresma. If that is not a statement of intent of things to come from the club, then I don't know what is. Yes, it is frustrating that things aren't built yesterday, but I do believe most clubs have got fairly advanced plans in place to make it a reality. Thanks. Informative post.
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+xMark Rudan is currently assisting the u20s for AFC finals in Bahrain , not sure if he is to move to u23s after this tournament but Gombou is there aswell. Interesting.
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+xpretty harsh on kaufusi calling him a fraud a fraud is when someone claims to be someone they aren't not someone who makes a mistake on a recreational forum has everyone on the forum been sleep deprived lately? Forum seems to be getting more antagonistic of every subject of late Agree. When I've read Kaufusi's posts they've been pretty interesting and thoughtful to read.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe a regroup , rethink the whole youth league structure ? Scrap the AIS ,most if not all national team players should be playing/ training for A league clubs or better Camps to be held every 2 months , under the watchful eye of JG and or AP if available , regular games and tounaments to be held both here and overseas How good would an invitational Asian u 15 or u17s comp be held here in Aus ?Japan South Korea China Iran Saudi Thai The list goes on , we got to think/ act differentThat's all For god sake jonsnow stop talking common sense someone might be reading this yep scraping the whole institution after a bad tournament is "common sense" If anything the quality 17,18,19 age group flies in the face of your argument So what your tell me is that 23 players in one quality environment is better than 23 x 10 quality environments? What your also tell me that a 15/16 year old training with other 15/16 year olds is better then 15/16 year olds training with 18/19/20 year olds and the chance to train with HAL squad is better? How many HAL clubs don't have academies now? Surely they all do? The COE had it's place but it doesn't in the future. As Graham Arnold said last week, when he first started and copped an injury to Smeltz just before the season started he had to start Blackwood and had never even seen him play or train beforehand. There were no age group sides other than NYL and there was no coordination amongst them. It made sense for the country's best young players to be in the same spot at the COE. Now members of the u18, u20s and NPL first grade sides all train with the HAL squad regularly throughout the year. This gives them a glimpse of the standards and skillsets of the nation's professional players and the opportunity to test themselves at a higher level. If a kid were to standout in training against players from a higher level they can be promoted up a grade or two. Potentially a 16/17 year old who's an absolute gem could start getting senior game time straight away. And even if not they'd be playing in the NSW NPL and training with senior players and possibly former/current internationals. At the COE they train and play with the same bunch of kids, of the same age, over and over again. They then play in the weaker ACT NPL, and then the NYL. They are not getting experience against higher quality players and considering these are supposed to be the best juniors in the country their development can only lag in comparison to players at HAL clubs IMO. Some clubs can barely manage their senior team let alone a youth academy with all the right coaches etc. that's' why we should probably have both Well, over half the league has full academies, both Syd and Mel clubs. The Mariners have one too, and if they can surely every other club can figure it out too. Jets have had the emerging Jets for a while now. Hopefully, the new owner will see this as an area worthy of investment as i believe it's been struggling for funds since Tinkler left. Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have an entire city+state to represent and ultimately provide the opportunities to progress from youth to HAL football. They all have NPL sides as far as I know, not sure to what age groups the extend down to though. The platform is there, and whether it's from the owner's pockets, state federations, sponsors, combos of the above, all clubs need to have youth sides going down to at least u18s, if not u13s, within the next year or two. And eventually the SAP too. Attracting and developing local juniors is one of the best investments most clubs can make, in terms of new first players, future transfer fees, building a community around the club and in general as a marketing tool. Does Melbourne Victory have an u10s program ? they dont even have their own facilities.. (im aware that theyre planning for an accademy) I'm pretty sure we don't. Correct - we only have the 'senior' NPL side (which I believe is U21 only) and then our U20 NPL side (which is U19). The club is in advanced negotiations to build our Academy in Footscray however, and with the appointment of Paulo Cardoso as our Academy Director ( source) one would imagine that the club is well on the way to implementing the full Academy pathway. I know a lot of us Vuck fans have been frustrated at how slow things have been progressing, but it appears in the last 12 months the club has made great strides to rectifying the problem. Appointing someone with the pedigree of Cardoso gives me hope that, once in place, the Academy program will be the best in the country. The 20's at both city and victory was made up of 2000 1999 and some 98. City asked for u18 for next year and we're denied by the ffv. This is also a problem when it comes to progression. It seems as if not everyone is on the same page. Oh wow, that young?! Didn't realise they were really throwing teenagers into the mix. That said, I personally don't mind that - these kids really should be the cream of the crop, and learning how to deal with fuckwits and hack defenders from 15 years old puts them in a much better place than trying to learn it when they make their A-League debut at 19/20. Is your son part of the Victory or City setup (if at all)? If so, did they enjoy the experience? At city there was only one 98 in the 20's. My boy played 20's for the first half of the season then with the senior youth boys. Has trained with the HAL team and has loved every minute. Once all the HAL clubs can have u12s and up the better. Good to hear.
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+x+xIf the SYD u 13s debacle is anything to go by I think we need proper accountability in regards to youth academy teams. There is always 2 sides to the story, some do it purely to suit their agendas. Peter Kat don't trust him! Peter Kat has been a strange malcontent with a big ego of late.
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+x+x+xIf the SYD u 13s debacle is anything to go by I think we need proper accountability in regards to youth academy teams. There is always 2 sides to the story, some do it purely to suit their agendas. Peter Kat don't trust him! Peter Kat has been a strange malcontent with a big ego of late. There would be parents that would be gutted that their little Johnny isn't going to be the superstar they thought he was. Plenty of emotion involved and a few home truths as well.
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