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The_Wookie
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+x+x+xInteresting on the ratings... Also can some out their put this into a usable chat .. I have compared last years Fox ratings of games and put in Season to date figures. The first coloum is number so 20K means above 20K and less than the next row which is 30K. the next coloum is 2015 / 16 season and the next colum is this season to date. 20K === 7 games === 0 30K === 10 games == 0 40K === 35 games == 0 50K === 28 games == 2 games 60K === 30 games == 1 game 70K === 11 games == 1 game 80K === 7 games === 2 games 90K === 3 games === 1 game 100K+ = 5 games === 4 games Total = 135 games === 11 games Is this what you are after? I havent graphed anything below 25k - theres a number of ratings that just arent reported - especially across 2013-2014. Also note 2012 had no FTA coverage which some believe probably impacted viewing figures.  So looking at these numbers a little more i find the following\ Total number of games above 25k (with an actual rating number) 15-16 - 133 Games 14-15 - 117 Games 13-14 - 128 Games 12-13 - 127 Games So while 15-16 had the some of the lowest ratings, it also had the most number of actual recorded games. There is a number of ways this could be interpreted, but i think it means our core group of fans are getting more engaged with the game, watching more than just the Derby games and watching the league, not just when their team is playing. It shows our reliance on Mediaweek for lower ratings that dont make it into the top 20 Fox/FTA- means most missing games will be in the sub 40 region. Its also entirely possible in the 2012-2014 years that i missed things as well. Ive got to go back through some sources and fill in the gaps - the tables from those years are poorly organised compared to the ones i do now, and should get redone shortly.
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+x+xFor the first time ever, I am going to agree with bluebird on something. If anyone thinks that because we are hitting 100k on Foxtel we should be pulling up to 350k on FTA, you probably will be disappointed. The 3.5x factor is probably not a reliable guide in our circumstance. For 12 years now, those who follow the A-League have had to purchase Foxtel. I am sure there are many out there who are the same as me and only have Foxtel now for the A-League coverage and nothing else. Therefore, when we move across to FTA, those who watched on Foxtel will now move across and watch on FTA (depending on the number of games broadcast and quality of the commentary and presentation) and you may also pick up a few extra casual viewers. I think the numbers will be around the 200k mark which is around some of the top ratings when it first came out on SBS. Bluebird is very smartly setting himself up for an "I told you so" moment, even when the results of the FTA move may very well back up the views of those who have argued against him for so long but fail to reach their overly optimistic expectations of 350k. The key measure of success for the FTA move will be consistency and growth. Bluebird may very well argue that we got a max of 200k on SBS and when we hit the same on Ch7/9/10 there is no difference and therefore the channel makes no difference whatsoever. However, the highest SBS rating in 2013/14 of 175,000 (Rnd 2) quickly dropped off to 59,000 (Rd 12) and the 215,000 in Rnd 1 2014/15 quickly dropped away to 76,000 by Rnd 12. Despite some of those big one off numbers on SBS, our numbers have more consistently been around the 70-80,000 mark, and last year, the 50-60,000 mark. If we can achieve a consistent base of 200k on a main channel FTA move and grow from there or at least hold steady, that would be a huge success and show that the channel does make a difference. Even a drop off to a consistent base of over 100k would be a partial success. If we hit 200k to start the year and drop off to 60k by mid year, that will show that the channel has not made a difference, and is the only circumstance in which Bluebird can say "I told you so". The main channels will get more views because no one, and i mean no one flicks through SBS thinking what is on tonight. It would also help if there was actually advertising so people knew about the match which you would get on 7,9 and 10. There is no casual viewers who watch it on SBS and that's the problem, because there will be people who aren't the biggest fans of the sport but they aren't against and seeing it on TV might mean they start watching and supporting the matches. It also gets more kids to watch A League matches and they may like it. Overall the ratings would increase significantly, on a half related note does anyone have the ratings for the EPL matches on SBS or foxtel last season, mainly to see it as a comparison. I agree with you about the casual viewer, and those who have followed this thread for a while will tell you that I have been a keen advocate of the argument that being on a main FTA channel will bring in the casual viewers who are flicking through to find something to watch. However, I expect the casual element will be closer to 50-100% of our core viewer base as opposed to 350%. Would love it if my expectations are a bit too conservative, but I can see us achieving increases on a FTA channel and Bluebird still managing to turn it around to claim some sort of deluded moral victory as he has tried to do in the past.
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The_Wookie
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Great start to the season already equalled last seasons 100K number ... impressive
20K === 7 games === 0
30K === 10 games == 0
40K === 35 games == 0
50K === 28 games == 2 games
60K === 30 games == 2 game
70K === 11 games == 1 game
80K === 7 games === 2 games
90K === 3 games === 1 game
100K+ = 5 games === 5 games
Total = 135 games === 13 games
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Would be good to know how many games on Fox had over 100k TV viewers when ADP came over here just to compare.
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+xWould be good to know how many games on Fox had over 100k TV viewers when ADP came over here just to compare. According to worldofwookie they had 9 games with ratings over 100k.including the first 7 rounds were all over 100k.
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So that's 9k old blokes who've got pissed and fallen asleep in front of the TV watching the sex movies...
Its a game for everyone. Its not pale, male, or stale. It transcends race, gender, economic status. Its for everyone. - Tal Karp
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113,000 for Reds/Victory last night was apparantly biggest ratings for that game since 2013. Can you confirm Wookie?
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bitza
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+xSo that's 9k old blokes who've got pissed and fallen asleep in front of the TV watching the sex movies... But they were good movies last night. French ones i believe. Cant remeber the game though. Didn't watch it.
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The_Wookie
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+x113,000 for Reds/Victory last night was apparantly biggest ratings for that game since 2013. Can you confirm Wookie? Seems about right 
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bitza
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Interested to find out what the tv numbers were for the sunday night game. Im a firm believer that when Perth get the Sundy arvo (their time) game usually against a bigger Eastern side team, ratings are usually quite good. Because on a sunday night there is usually not too much on i believe (live sport anyway)
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+x+x+xFor the first time ever, I am going to agree with bluebird on something. If anyone thinks that because we are hitting 100k on Foxtel we should be pulling up to 350k on FTA, you probably will be disappointed. The 3.5x factor is probably not a reliable guide in our circumstance. For 12 years now, those who follow the A-League have had to purchase Foxtel. I am sure there are many out there who are the same as me and only have Foxtel now for the A-League coverage and nothing else. Therefore, when we move across to FTA, those who watched on Foxtel will now move across and watch on FTA (depending on the number of games broadcast and quality of the commentary and presentation) and you may also pick up a few extra casual viewers. I think the numbers will be around the 200k mark which is around some of the top ratings when it first came out on SBS. Bluebird is very smartly setting himself up for an "I told you so" moment, even when the results of the FTA move may very well back up the views of those who have argued against him for so long but fail to reach their overly optimistic expectations of 350k. The key measure of success for the FTA move will be consistency and growth. Bluebird may very well argue that we got a max of 200k on SBS and when we hit the same on Ch7/9/10 there is no difference and therefore the channel makes no difference whatsoever. However, the highest SBS rating in 2013/14 of 175,000 (Rnd 2) quickly dropped off to 59,000 (Rd 12) and the 215,000 in Rnd 1 2014/15 quickly dropped away to 76,000 by Rnd 12. Despite some of those big one off numbers on SBS, our numbers have more consistently been around the 70-80,000 mark, and last year, the 50-60,000 mark. If we can achieve a consistent base of 200k on a main channel FTA move and grow from there or at least hold steady, that would be a huge success and show that the channel does make a difference. Even a drop off to a consistent base of over 100k would be a partial success. If we hit 200k to start the year and drop off to 60k by mid year, that will show that the channel has not made a difference, and is the only circumstance in which Bluebird can say "I told you so". The main channels will get more views because no one, and i mean no one flicks through SBS thinking what is on tonight. It would also help if there was actually advertising so people knew about the match which you would get on 7,9 and 10. There is no casual viewers who watch it on SBS and that's the problem, because there will be people who aren't the biggest fans of the sport but they aren't against and seeing it on TV might mean they start watching and supporting the matches. It also gets more kids to watch A League matches and they may like it. Overall the ratings would increase significantly, on a half related note does anyone have the ratings for the EPL matches on SBS or foxtel last season, mainly to see it as a comparison. I agree with you about the casual viewer, and those who have followed this thread for a while will tell you that I have been a keen advocate of the argument that being on a main FTA channel will bring in the casual viewers who are flicking through to find something to watch. However, I expect the casual element will be closer to 50-100% of our core viewer base as opposed to 350%. Would love it if my expectations are a bit too conservative, but I can see us achieving increases on a FTA channel and Bluebird still managing to turn it around to claim some sort of deluded moral victory as he has tried to do in the past. The fact of the matter is that the core aruement was always about the fact bluebird believes that simply moving to a commercial.fta station will have no impact on ratings whatsoever because he doesnt buy into all the aspects of casual.viewers etc and that ratings will stay unchanged because its the game that purely rates (and alloted time space) and nothing else. The reason the argument was ever brought up in the first place was because higher ratings results in all sorts of other benefits such as tv deals.etc which ultimately means more money in the game. So even just a 20-30% average increase would easily justify the move to a main fta station. But he doesnt even see that happening. End of.the day he can point.out.the one off matches that have rsted high on sbs but we all know.that its the averages that count. And hovering around 75k-90k isnt great. Of course with enough publicity u van get the individual matches to.rate high. We know that, but its the week in and week out of average games being played that will show that being on a main fta channel will.have a positive effect on ratings as that is when u see the casual viewer latch on and watch as they are flicking.
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azzaMVFC
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The quality of football on display to start the season is the best it's ever been. Media coverage and advertising has been generally good and in your face, for once, since season 1 really. Not surprised about the good increase in viewership.
Also regarding the Foxtel v FTA debate, generally FTA rates at 3.5x for Aust football matches, so you'd expect the lower drawing games to get about 200-250k on FTA where as the bigger games will always be 300k plus, derbies would be pushing 400-500k.
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The advertising is good but I still want more. And I hate this 'you gotta have a team', Yoshi BS.However it is working. We should have slowly snuck in during the ALF finals and slowly built up momentum and in that week gap thrown up billboard, paper ads, internet ads, tv ads until you had something like this: 
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Sunday TV ratings:
Wel vs syd - 92k
WSW vs new- 103k
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+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k Another 100k plus for Foxtel. The FFA might get there 100 mill target.
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+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k Brilliant.
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This is a unbelievable start
20K === 7 games === 0
30K === 10 games == 0
40K === 35 games == 0
50K === 28 games == 2 games
60K === 30 games == 2 games
70K === 11 games == 1 game
80K === 7 games === 2 games
90K === 3 games === 2 games
100K+ = 5 games === 6 games
Total = 135 games === 15 games
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The_Wookie
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 Full season ratings here
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+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k That is incredible. Last season that would have been 60k and 70k.
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Good work cheers for that mate. Pretty informative website too.
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+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k Wow the wellington vs syd game rated ridiculously high for that match up. Certainly wasn't expecting that. And that's just from australia too. The new zealand ratings would need to be added to that. But who knows what sort of low rating they probably got. Fantastic round of ratings again, and without the massive build up of a derby either.
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Wookie, Other sites have the Wanderers crowd as 13,247. Typo?
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Ratings are up 50% Awesome!! Last year to be fair they took a really big hit however even compared to the season prior this season is doing even better. Must be all that ridiculous talk of gimmicky marquees not having any effect on the league... And now people that were originally drawn in by the draw card are starting to see the quality and apprciate it for what it is, and that there is some fantastic football being played. End result overall ratings up and game is growing.
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+xWookie, Other sites have the Wanderers crowd as 13,247. Typo? Typo. I was a little drunk on maple flavoured bourbon. Cheers for pointing it out. Someone on twitter also noted i had CCMs game in Newcastle. Sigh.
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+x+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k Wow the wellington vs syd game rated ridiculously high for that match up. Certainly wasn't expecting that. And that's just from australia too. The new zealand ratings would need to be added to that. But who knows what sort of low rating they probably got. Fantastic round of ratings again, and without the massive build up of a derby either. Its great that Fox ratings are up and right now we are open to negotiate with anyone. If fox are silly they will have no major local sport at all during summer to show beside a few racing and Basketball. As for all the haters of optus i really dont care. If they were to offer something stupid like $100m + 2 FTA games i think the FFA would be stupid not to go for it. At least then it would force Fox to fork out the big buck for football. This can kind of show that we have a commited following of core fans who should not be ignored IMO. All we need now is a half decent FFA to build the game properly and we will be going great guns.
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+xSunday TV ratings: Wel vs syd - 92kWSW vs new- 103k Thought sundy night would be good. Expect a few more of these next season too. If perth can pull their finger out and start being the big club they used to be, we can have some stella sundy night games in the East and have good Sunday arvo games out west too. No more 2pm bloody kickoffs in 40° heat for perth either (so stupid to have even played on game in that temperature in the past)
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In my opinion having both Sydney teams back to back on the Sunday would have been a significant contribution to the ratings. SFC fans would hardly have switched off after our match if they saw WSW playing next and at a nice viewer-friendly time. I was at a pub and there were a few people enjoying both matches (including one guy that put $5000 on SFC at 2:1 odds and we got the winner in 92'!!!). I'd suggest doing this for both Melbourne sides as well though it not necessarily be as much of a factor. Having both Sydney sides on say the Saturday and both Melbourne sides on the Sunday makes sense. As does playing the City v WSW match on the same weekend as the Big Blue.
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Good ratings, no doubt will plateau but if we can score say and overall increase of 25% by the end of the season we'll have done well.
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