@ pippinu

The 4 year trend means that crowds will fall below 12k next season. They are not "oscillating" they are declining steadily year on year. it would take an April fool to ignore the bleading obvious.

Now an average of 12k with a 12 team comp, that might be acceptable however why not 13k still? South Sydney would pretty much guarantee an average attendance of 13k with three derbies each season and South Sydney shouldn't be far behind that.

To consistently fall in the 12,300 to 12,500 zone means that some seasons it will push up towards a 13,000 average, and in other seasons it will fall closer to 12,000, and I would say long term that's a more than acceptable outcome.

In fact, if we can maintain averages above 12k when we go to 12 teams, that would represent an absolutely outstanding outcome.

@ pippinu

You'd have to work at the ffa to take that opinion.

13,000 average crowds are not beyond the code so accepting the stagnation is not acceptable. And if you add the net effect of the extra crowds at ANZ the crowds are falling even further this season possibly below 12k which should be alarming. If the trend continues then next season we will see an 11,xxx average.

Wanderers, Roar and Sydney are all under performing and everyone else bar Victory could do better. The first step in finding a solution is to acknowledge the problem, not redefine the problem as a positive (that's the FFAs way of thinking).

And the ffa end this season with more disenfranchised fans than last season when they had a boycott, the HAL needs some new thinking but the ffa don't seem to have it.

Another way of looking at it is that we have a good degree of stability and consistency with attendances constantly falling in the 12,300 to 12,500 zone, and there is nothing wrong with that.  It's a very good average attendance figure to be able to maintain over the long term, especially when viewed in global terms.

Average attendances:

2016/17 = 12,382 and falling weekly
2015/16 = 12,309
2014/15 = 12,511
2013/14 = 13,025

Looks like we're on for our fourth consecutive fall in average attendances. Given the boost the two ANZ derbies gave attendances this season the FFA should be concerned.

Hopefully they've got something better lined up in marketing than "you've gotta have a team" and "a summer of football" and "the business end of the season" ... it's the worst marketing of any code and it's just not working.

7,307 Adelaide v Glory

Aus v UAE - 27,238

Pretty good crowds all round, it's just the Nix and the Mariners keeping the average down.

To average around 9k this time of year is probably par for course.

24	Western Sydney	Melbourne City	Sydney Showground	10204
24	Central Coast	Adelaide	Central Coast Stadium	5438
24	Brisbane	Melbourne Victory	Lang Park	13576
24	Wellington	Newcastle	Wellington	4828
24	Perth	Sydney FC	Perth Oval	10097

• Fri HAL Crowd - Western Sydney v Melbourne City - 10,204 at Spotless Stadium

In four of the last five seasons, we've had two seasons fall on exactly 12,300, another two seasons fall on exactly 12,500 (including the current one), which seems to be a fair indicator of where the natural level of A-League attendances sit (which aren't all that bad to be perfectly honest).

Round Twenty - three

Games with less than 5k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 10(84) 11.9%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Four Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Five 13(135) 9.6%
Season Six 34(165) 25.2%
Season Seven 15(135) 11.11%
Season Eight 5(135) 3.7%
Season Nine Nil(135)0.0%
Season Ten 2(135)0.2%
Season Eleven 1(135)0.7%
Season Twelve 0(115)

Games between 5k and 10k attendance Seasons 1-12 Not including Finals. Total season games in brackets

Season One 28(84) 33.33%
Season Two 22(84) 26.9%
Season Three 20(84) 23.8%
Season Four 38(84) 45.2%
Season Five 79(135) 58.5%
Season Six 82(165) 49.7%
Season Seven 54(135) 40.0%
Season Eight 56(135) 41.4%
Season Nine 46(135)34%
Season Ten 60(135)44.4%
Season Eleven 53(135)39.3%
Season Twelve 51(115)

Games between 10k - 15k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 31(84) 36.9%
Season Two 26(84) 31.0%
Season Three 34(84) 40.5%
Season Four 28(84) 33.33%
Season Five 24(135) 17.8%
Season Six 36(165) 23.63%
Season Seven 48(135)35.6%
Season Eight 39(135) 28.9%
Season Nine 48(135)35.6%
Season Ten 44(135)32.6%
Season Eleven 54(135)40.0%
Season Twelve 41(115)

Games with between 15k - 20k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 11(84) 13.1%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 16(84) 19.0%
Season Four 7(84) 8.3%
Season Five 11(135) 8.1%
Season Six 7(165) 4.2%
Season Seven 10(135) 7.4%
Season Eight 21(135) 15.6%
Season Nine 27(135) 20.0%
Season Ten 12(135)8.9%
Season Eleven 13(135)9.6%
Season Twelve 11(115)

Games with more than 20k attendance Seasons 1- 12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 4(84) 4.8%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 14(84) 16.7%
Season Four 11(84) 13.1%
Season Five 8(135) 5.9%
Season Six 6(165) 4.4%
Season Seven 8(135) 5.9%
Season Eight 14(135) 10.4%
Season Nine 14(135)10.4%
Season Ten 17(135)12.6%
Season Eleven 14(135)10.4%
Season Twelve 12(110)

Regular Season Round Twenty - three

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161
Season Ten(135) - 1,689,510
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830
Season Twelve (115) 1,445,653
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782
Season Six(165) 1,384,902
Season Five(135) 1,322,475
Season Three(84) 1,227,273
Season Two(84) 1,085,829
Season Four(84) 1,023,147
Season One(84) 920,219


Regular Season Averages by season

Season One 10,955
Season Two 12,927
Season Three 14,610
Season Four 12,180
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393
Season Seven 10,487
Season Eight 12,310
Season Nine 13,046
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Twelve 12,571

Season average, by average

Season Three 14,610
Season Nine 13,046
Season Two 12,927
Season Twelve 12,571
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Eight 12,310
Season Four 12,180
Season One 10,955
Season Seven 10,487
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393

Finals Attendances

Season One(6)126,237
Season Two(6)177,672
Season Three(6)154,118
Season Four(6)143,819
Season Five(7)151,206
Season Six(7)121,635
Season Seven(7)119,147
Season Eight(5) 105,255
Season Nine (5) 128,566
Season Ten (6) 137,825
Season Eleven (5) 117,122

Regular season plus finals

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (5) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5) 105,255 = 1,767,085
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Twelve (115) 1,445,653 + (0)= 1,445,653
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 =1,381,391
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456


Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5)105,255= 1,767,085
Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (4) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Twelve(115) 1,445,653 + (0) = 1,445,653

Round Twenty - three

SydneyFC v Central Coast 11,148
Melbourne Victory v Perth Glory 16,814
Melbourne City v Newcastle Jets 8,949
Adelaide United v Brisbane Roar 7,197
Western Sydney v Wellington Phoenix 7,828

Round Attendance 51,936
Round Average - 10,387

Season Total (115 games) - 1,445,653
Season Average (115 games) - 12,571

Round Twenty - two

Games with less than 5k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 10(84) 11.9%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Four Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Five 13(135) 9.6%
Season Six 34(165) 25.2%
Season Seven 15(135) 11.11%
Season Eight 5(135) 3.7%
Season Nine Nil(135)0.0%
Season Ten 2(135)0.2%
Season Eleven 1(135)0.7%
Season Twelve 0(110)

Games between 5k and 10k attendance Seasons 1-12 Not including Finals. Total season games in brackets

Season One 28(84) 33.33%
Season Two 22(84) 26.9%
Season Three 20(84) 23.8%
Season Four 38(84) 45.2%
Season Five 79(135) 58.5%
Season Six 82(165) 49.7%
Season Seven 54(135) 40.0%
Season Eight 56(135) 41.4%
Season Nine 46(135)34%
Season Ten 60(135)44.4%
Season Eleven 53(135)39.3%
Season Twelve 48(110)

Games between 10k - 15k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 31(84) 36.9%
Season Two 26(84) 31.0%
Season Three 34(84) 40.5%
Season Four 28(84) 33.33%
Season Five 24(135) 17.8%
Season Six 36(165) 23.63%
Season Seven 48(135)35.6%
Season Eight 39(135) 28.9%
Season Nine 48(135)35.6%
Season Ten 44(135)32.6%
Season Eleven 54(135)40.0%
Season Twelve 40(110)

Games with between 15k - 20k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 11(84) 13.1%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 16(84) 19.0%
Season Four 7(84) 8.3%
Season Five 11(135) 8.1%
Season Six 7(165) 4.2%
Season Seven 10(135) 7.4%
Season Eight 21(135) 15.6%
Season Nine 27(135) 20.0%
Season Ten 12(135)8.9%
Season Eleven 13(135)9.6%
Season Twelve 10(110)

Games with more than 20k attendance Seasons 1- 12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 4(84) 4.8%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 14(84) 16.7%
Season Four 11(84) 13.1%
Season Five 8(135) 5.9%
Season Six 6(165) 4.4%
Season Seven 8(135) 5.9%
Season Eight 14(135) 10.4%
Season Nine 14(135)10.4%
Season Ten 17(135)12.6%
Season Eleven 14(135)10.4%
Season Twelve 12(110)

Regular Season Round Twenty - two

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161
Season Ten(135) - 1,689,510
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782
Season Twelve (110) 1,393,717
Season Six(165) 1,384,902
Season Five(135) 1,322,475
Season Three(84) 1,227,273
Season Two(84) 1,085,829
Season Four(84) 1,023,147
Season One(84) 920,219


Regular Season Averages by season

Season One 10,955
Season Two 12,927
Season Three 14,610
Season Four 12,180
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393
Season Seven 10,487
Season Eight 12,310
Season Nine 13,046
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Twelve 12,670

Season average, by average

Season Three 14,610
Season Nine 13,046
Season Two 12,927
Season Twelve 12,670
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Eight 12,310
Season Four 12,180
Season One 10,955
Season Seven 10,487
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393

Finals Attendances

Season One(6)126,237
Season Two(6)177,672
Season Three(6)154,118
Season Four(6)143,819
Season Five(7)151,206
Season Six(7)121,635
Season Seven(7)119,147
Season Eight(5) 105,255
Season Nine (5) 128,566
Season Ten (6) 137,825
Season Eleven (5) 117,122

Regular season plus finals

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (5) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5) 105,255 = 1,767,085
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Twelve (110) 1,393,717 + (0)= 1,393,717
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 =1,381,391
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456


Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5)105,255= 1,767,085
Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (4) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Twelve(110) 1,393,727 + (0) = 1,393,717

while that is true, it doesn't explain the Sydney Swans having 56,000 members in 2016 (although I admit am always sceptical about AFL membership figures).

Round Twenty -two

Sydney FC v Melbourne Victory 13,310
Wellington Phoenix v Perth Glory 6,285
Western Sydney v Adelaide United 8,965
Central Coast v Melbourne City 5,974
Newcastle Jets v Brisbane Roar 7,122

Round Attendance 41,656
Round Average - 8,331

Season Total (110 games) - 1,393,717
Season Average (110 games) - 12,670

Round Twenty - one

Games with less than 5k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 10(84) 11.9%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Four Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Five 13(135) 9.6%
Season Six 34(165) 25.2%
Season Seven 15(135) 11.11%
Season Eight 5(135) 3.7%
Season Nine Nil(135)0.0%
Season Ten 2(135)0.2%
Season Eleven 1(135)0.7%
Season Twelve 0(105)

Games between 5k and 10k attendance Seasons 1-12 Not including Finals. Total season games in brackets

Season One 28(84) 33.33%
Season Two 22(84) 26.9%
Season Three 20(84) 23.8%
Season Four 38(84) 45.2%
Season Five 79(135) 58.5%
Season Six 82(165) 49.7%
Season Seven 54(135) 40.0%
Season Eight 56(135) 41.4%
Season Nine 46(135)34%
Season Ten 60(135)44.4%
Season Eleven 53(135)39.3%
Season Twelve 44(105)

Games between 10k - 15k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 31(84) 36.9%
Season Two 26(84) 31.0%
Season Three 34(84) 40.5%
Season Four 28(84) 33.33%
Season Five 24(135) 17.8%
Season Six 36(165) 23.63%
Season Seven 48(135)35.6%
Season Eight 39(135) 28.9%
Season Nine 48(135)35.6%
Season Ten 44(135)32.6%
Season Eleven 54(135)40.0%
Season Twelve 39(105)

Games with between 15k - 20k attendance Seasons 1-12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 11(84) 13.1%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 16(84) 19.0%
Season Four 7(84) 8.3%
Season Five 11(135) 8.1%
Season Six 7(165) 4.2%
Season Seven 10(135) 7.4%
Season Eight 21(135) 15.6%
Season Nine 27(135) 20.0%
Season Ten 12(135)8.9%
Season Eleven 13(135)9.6%
Season Twelve 10(105)

Games with more than 20k attendance Seasons 1- 12 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 4(84) 4.8%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 14(84) 16.7%
Season Four 11(84) 13.1%
Season Five 8(135) 5.9%
Season Six 6(165) 4.4%
Season Seven 8(135) 5.9%
Season Eight 14(135) 10.4%
Season Nine 14(135)10.4%
Season Ten 17(135)12.6%
Season Eleven 14(135)10.4%
Season Twelve 12(105)

Regular Season Round Twenty - one

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161
Season Ten(135) - 1,689,510
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782
Season Six(165) 1,384,902
Season Twelve (105) 1,352,061
Season Five(135) 1,322,475
Season Three(84) 1,227,273
Season Two(84) 1,085,829
Season Four(84) 1,023,147
Season One(84) 920,219


Regular Season Averages by season

Season One 10,955
Season Two 12,927
Season Three 14,610
Season Four 12,180
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393
Season Seven 10,487
Season Eight 12,310
Season Nine 13,046
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Twelve 12,877

Season average, by average

Season Three 14,610
Season Nine 13,046
Season Two 12,927
Season Twelve 12,877
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Eight 12,310
Season Four 12,180
Season One 10,955
Season Seven 10,487
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393

Finals Attendances

Season One(6)126,237
Season Two(6)177,672
Season Three(6)154,118
Season Four(6)143,819
Season Five(7)151,206
Season Six(7)121,635
Season Seven(7)119,147
Season Eight(5) 105,255
Season Nine (5) 128,566
Season Ten (6) 137,825
Season Eleven (5) 117,122

Regular season plus finals

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (5) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5) 105,255 = 1,767,085
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Twelve (105) 1,352,061 + (0)= 1,352,061
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456


Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5)105,255= 1,767,085
Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (4) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Twelve(105) 1,352,061 + (0) = 1,352,061

Round Twenty -one

Melbourne City v Sydney FC 10,706
Brisbane Roar v Wellington Phoenix 10,723
Melbourne Victory v Adelaide United 19,035
Perth Glory v Western Sydney Wanderers 8,602
Newcastle Jets v Central Coast Mariners 9,423

Round Attendance 58,489
Round Average - 11,698

Season Total (105 games) - 1,352,061
Season Average (105 games) - 12,877

The last 16 rounds last season was the highest we have had with the current 10 clubs.

Agree.

Welcome to the forum.

Last season's run in was far more exciting though. The top three is already decided. 

According to Wookie's figures, our attendances are still up on last season.

Good result.

We are very close to matching last seasons average - they had an FFA inspired fan boycott and this season has Cahill, Yoshi and big Sydney derbies. ffs, what a cock up 🙁

What I'm genuinely surprised at by this weekend's crowds is that Melbourne City got a bigger crowd than both Adelaide and Western Sydney, especially since our crowd was below expected.

City and WSW should really be getting 10k+, though Adelaide's is obviously fair enough.

Agreed, it helps explain how the Victory got huge membership numbers from the second season onwards (obviously a winning second season also helped, but they've grown heaps since then).

A few years ago I had a very similar discussion to what you have been describing with friends that used to come to quite a few games a year with me. They haven't for a while.

As soon as a GA ticket is more than $20-$25 (fees included) it becomes a decision to go to a game and you start to weigh up what else you can do with that money then you start thinking about time and other factors.

If you are diehards you may think like Waz but at least half of an average attendance tends not to be the diehards (unless you have won 3 games all year...)