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+x+xWhy do they HAVE to play out of two cities or even be called Tasmania for that matter? The BBL team is called Hobart and only plays out of that city and they are a great success for the state. Not saying there shouldn't be opportunities to include the North of Tasmania but if it complicates things with venues then the north should just be told to deal with it and be grateful they are getting a team. Agree Worked with Wellington when they first came out Indeed, New Zealand Knights < Wellington Phoenix is a good argument to name a team after a city rather than a wider place name, and leaves the door open for a Northern Tasmania team in an A2-League or whatever down the track.
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+xMaybe if Tasmania got the fuck over bickering between its 2 biggest villages it could actually achieve something It has been resolved in cricket.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMaybe I'm missing something, but why would you set up a team in a state that: 1. has no stadium to play out of (im talking about a rectangular boutique one) 2. has an almost zero population growth 3. has little to no industry (ie for sponsorship) it's madness. Because you could claim the entire island as no other sport has a professional team there? As for industry, some of the best whisky distilleries in the world, couple of good breweries, world leading art gallery...just few spring to mind. I was just thinking about a few of the breweries throwing their hat into the ring. If they get a decent stadium deal, plus the FFA grant from the new TV deal should make most new ventures (Tasmania or otherwise) viable... If they were to go a green jersey, which I reckon they should, Iron House would work well. James Boags and Cascade with more money than the others would also be serviceable. Green is going towards the Mexico 78 kits  Maybe Decentric can confirm, but green is that Tassie colour? The original Tassie bid was based on green and white. Offers a bit of difference to the rest of the league too. Green is the Tasmanian state team colour. Check my post at the bottom of page 3. :)
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+x+x+x  barf.gif I wouldn't be using all three colours at once, at least not as major elements. Home all green with black secondary, shirts, shorts and socks, away red with yellow secondary. GAIS   .jpg/480px-GAIS-BK_H%C3%A4cken,_9_augusti_2006_(10).jpg) Wouldn't mind this strip or Celtic colours.
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+xWhy do they HAVE to play out of two cities or even be called Tasmania for that matter? The BBL team is called Hobart and only plays out of that city and they are a great success for the state. Not saying there shouldn't be opportunities to include the North of Tasmania but if it complicates things with venues then the north should just be told to deal with it and be grateful they are getting a team. True. The BBL crowds have totally exceeded expectations. Hobart is a city of 200 000 drawing 12 - 16 000 fans for BBL.
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+x+xMaybe if Tasmania got the fuck over bickering between its 2 biggest villages it could actually achieve something Isn't that the sort of thing you want to build off when expanding a sport league? I prefer ethnic and/or religious tension.
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+x+x+x+xbarf.gif I wouldn't be using all three colours at once, at least not as major elements. Home all green with black secondary, shirts, shorts and socks, away red with yellow secondary. GAIS Wouldn't mind this strip or Celtic colours. combination of Celtic and GAIS that Groningen have worn   or you have the sassuolo variant 
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Celtic style kit/colours would look great.
Would be interesting if that other expansion side is Canberra and they go the green as well.
Simon Hill would be loving the #GreenDerby
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Something I made ages ago:  Based off my reconstruction of the Pelada Tasmanian XI shirt that they've worn a few times in friendlies: 
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I guess if they went with "Tigers" as their spirit animal it may be more fitting with stripes (hoops), You could incoporate it into the logo.
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+xI guess if they went with "Tigers" as their spirit animal it may be more fitting with stripes (hoops), You could incoporate it into the logo. Isn't the state cricket team already called that?
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+x+xI guess if they went with "Tigers" as their spirit animal it may be more fitting with stripes (hoops), You could incoporate it into the logo. Isn't the state cricket team already called that? Probably, im not sure. If you are called "Tasmania United FC " or "Tasmania FC" you can just chuck it on the logo/emblem anyway
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Pala - What is the viewing like? Still seems very far away.. Bit like Etihad but worse.
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Cockers It's time for the FFA to be bold and welcome team from Tasmania to the A-LeagueTassie for the A-League? The obvious question is why? The better question is why not? If all things are equal, then the next team to join the A-League should be the least likely, and least expected. If FFA are honest about their commitment to expansion then a bid this good is difficult to knock back.  Plays of the Week Aussies dominate first day Longshot Lasqueti Spirit wins VRC Crown Oaks Shaun Marsh pulls in diving catch Cubs win World Series Mitchell Marsh takes screamer off fourth ball Sports broadcast legend to retirePlays of the WeekFrom incredible goalkeeping to cliff diving glory, these are the most exciting, silly and downright crazy plays in the sport world this week. Indeed the only substantive concern is whether Tasmanian Premier Will Hodgman will put his money where his mouth is and build the stadium the team needs, and deserves. But that's to be sorted down the track. In the meantime, as talk of expanding the competition morphs from fiction to fact, it may surprise many that arguably the most persuasive case to become the 11th team – from next season – has come from the margins of the game.  Tassie jewel: Newcastle Jets' Andy Brennan is one of the isolated state's three A-League exports. Photo: Jonathan CarrollTasmania may have a long football history (there's still a fevered debate whether a game played in Hobart in 1879 was in fact the first football match played in Australia), but it's largely been an unremarkable one. Just 10 Socceroos have come from the Apple Isle, the national team has never played there, and Tasmania has never had a team at national league level. Backwater? Let's just say it's always been a long way from the centre, in every sense. But suddenly things are on the move. In a big way. Sometime in the next week, the Tasmanian bid will be presented formally to the FFA. Not to join at some indeterminate point in the future, but now. All the ducks are in a row. There's no feasibility study required (done five years ago), no letters of support needed from key levels of government (done), no due diligence required (the major investors have already been involved in the A-League), no need to find a home ground (North Hobart Oval), no searching for a training centre (arranged). If this bid came from, say, southern Sydney, the FFA would be biting their arm off. The cornerstone, of course, is that two wealthy former Melbourne Victory shareholders, Harry Stamoulis and Robert Belteky, will put up most of the money. Just as important is the fact that David Clarkson, one of the few Tasmanians to forge a long career in the NSL, is a key organiser. There's skin in this one. Stamoulis and Belteky see the value in having a team in Tasmania even though they're Victorians. Why? Because they're both passionate about the game. Passionate in the way that counts. Rival bids would kill for investors of this stature. So the finance is there, and much more. Hobart City Council has provided tangible support by offering North Hobart Oval at a generous rent, South Hobart FC have offered their facilities at Darcy Street and Wellesley Oval as a training base, while Federal MP Andrew Wilkie is believed to be so enthusiastic that he'll find the $12 million needed to install temporary seating, improve floodlighting and upgrade broadcast and corporate facilities to bring North Hobart up to the required standards. With its location, its vista and its history, North Hobart Oval would easily become the most atmospheric ground in the A-League. Beneath all this, the game is ready to blossom. Since the failed Tasmania United bid five years ago, a statewide league has been re-established, and grassroots participation has exploded to 14,000 players. Three Tasmanians – Jerrad Tyson (Western Sydney Wanderers), Andy Brennan (Newcastle Jets) and Josh Hope (Melbourne Victory) – are on the books of A-League clubs. In recent years South Hobart have proved competitive in the national NPL play-offs, while Devonport City's exploits in this year's FFA Cup captured imagination around the country. Finally, Tasmania is part of the conversation. So here's the chance to capitalise, with one key rider. There's no rectangular stadium of a professional standard in the state. North Hobart is perfect in the short term, but ultimately the game needs more. Hodgman and a government that routinely decries its structural economic handicaps can make a concrete contribution to their own cause by building a boutique stadium – most likely as part of a new "Home of Football" at a greenfield site near Hobart airport – in order to secure the long-term future of the A-League team. That's an A-League team that can provide career opportunities and economic incentives for Tasmanians, and that can promote the state around the country, but more importantly to a global audience, especially Asia. The state government needs to back that. For the FFA, of course, there are different perspectives. With a population of 500,000, Tasmania is not the biggest untapped market for the A-League if commercial and broadcast measurements are the only benchmark. But if that's the case, we won't be seeing any regional teams joining the competition. Disaster. So here's a bid that covers the bases that truly count, which grows the footprint of the competition, and which is ready to go. Oh, and it would get the jump on the AFL, which has long taken Tasmania for granted. Perfect timing and a compelling reason for the FFA to be bold.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/its-time-for-the-ffa-to-be-bold-and-welcome-team-from-tasmania-to-the-aleague-20161103-gshpy7.html
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Tasmanians are the lowest spenders of any state (due to low incomes, retirees and oldest population rate etc) with also the slowest population growth of any state. It may well be doing financially better now but better than what when the base it currently measures itself against was disastrously lower than anywhere else in the country. Already smaller in population than some other alternatives, you wont see much money being handed over by fans who may well look at the initiation of the A-League with some interest for it only to fade. If football opportunity is the reason then surely Qld with it's vast distances between population centres and massively spread out participation rate deserves priority, as an example. Hope they get in one day but not at the expense of better options. Can't see it happening.
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+xPala - What is the viewing like? Still seems very far away.. Bit like Etihad but worse. The current viewing is too far away. I've watched Victory Youth v Tas some years ago from a side vantage point. I've also watched SFC v Victory preseason from a high stand more behind the goals year or two ago. Again too far away. Many years ago, in 1970 I watched England play Tasmania. It had a north/south orientated pitch rather than the current east/west aspect, in front of the two big western stands. It was a lot better. If the ground could be altered to make it football specific, closer to rectangular, it would be ideal apart from limited parking. The playing surface is like a carpet. It is also pretty central in the city.
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+x+xPala - What is the viewing like? Still seems very far away.. Bit like Etihad but worse. The current viewing is too far away. I've watched Victory Youth v Tas some years ago from a side vantage point. I've also watched SFC v Victory preseason from a high stand more behind the goals year or two ago. Again too far away. Many years ago, in 1970 I watched England play Tasmania. it had a north/south orientated pitch rather than the current east/west aspect, in front of the two big western stands. It was a lot better. If the ground could be altered to make it football specific, closer to rectangular, it would be ideal apart from limited parking. The playing surface is like a carpet. It is also pretty central in the city. It's only chance to get over the line with FFA is indeed to include a football specific marquee ground in its submission.
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+xTasmanians are the lowest spenders of any state (due to low incomes, retirees and oldest population rate etc) with also the slowest population growth of any state. It may well be doing better now but better than what when the base it currently measures itself was disastrously lower than anywhere else in the country. Already smaller in population than some other alternatives, you wont see much money being handed over by fans who may well look at the initiation of the A-League with some interest for it only to fade. If football opportunity is the reason then surely Qld with it's vast distances between population centres and massively spread out participation rate deserves priority, as an example. All fair points made, Paul. The football fade from original high interest also effects other HAL clubs. Look at the drop off in MV crowds and I think CCM crowds since the third season. What amazes me is we struggle to get 6 000 to a day Test cricket where the national team plays in Hobart, but 16 000 will turn up to watch the Hobart Hurricanes in the BBL. One consideration here is the actual cost. BBL is a lot cheaper than Test games. The Tassie Devils Australian Rules team playing in the VFA, used to draw crowds of 3 - 4 000 whilst other clubs in Victoria only had a handful of spectators. The Tassie Devils received good media exposure in the The Mercury.
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+xCockers It's time for the FFA to be bold and welcome team from Tasmania to the A-LeagueTassie for the A-League? The obvious question is why? The better question is why not? If all things are equal, then the next team to join the A-League should be the least likely, and least expected. If FFA are honest about their commitment to expansion then a bid this good is difficult to knock back. Plays of the WeekAussies dominate first dayLongshot Lasqueti Spirit wins VRC Crown OaksShaun Marsh pulls in diving catchCubs win World SeriesMitchell Marsh takes screamer off fourth ballSports broadcast legend to retirePlays of the WeekFrom incredible goalkeeping to cliff diving glory, these are the most exciting, silly and downright crazy plays in the sport world this week. Indeed the only substantive concern is whether Tasmanian Premier Will Hodgman will put his money where his mouth is and build the stadium the team needs, and deserves. But that's to be sorted down the track. In the meantime, as talk of expanding the competition morphs from fiction to fact, it may surprise many that arguably the most persuasive case to become the 11th team – from next season – has come from the margins of the game. Tassie jewel: Newcastle Jets' Andy Brennan is one of the isolated state's three A-League exports. Photo: Jonathan CarrollTasmania may have a long football history (there's still a fevered debate whether a game played in Hobart in 1879 was in fact the first football match played in Australia), but it's largely been an unremarkable one. Just 10 Socceroos have come from the Apple Isle, the national team has never played there, and Tasmania has never had a team at national league level. Backwater? Let's just say it's always been a long way from the centre, in every sense. But suddenly things are on the move. In a big way. Sometime in the next week, the Tasmanian bid will be presented formally to the FFA. Not to join at some indeterminate point in the future, but now. All the ducks are in a row. There's no feasibility study required (done five years ago), no letters of support needed from key levels of government (done), no due diligence required (the major investors have already been involved in the A-League), no need to find a home ground (North Hobart Oval), no searching for a training centre (arranged). If this bid came from, say, southern Sydney, the FFA would be biting their arm off. The cornerstone, of course, is that two wealthy former Melbourne Victory shareholders, Harry Stamoulis and Robert Belteky, will put up most of the money. Just as important is the fact that David Clarkson, one of the few Tasmanians to forge a long career in the NSL, is a key organiser. There's skin in this one. Stamoulis and Belteky see the value in having a team in Tasmania even though they're Victorians. Why? Because they're both passionate about the game. Passionate in the way that counts. Rival bids would kill for investors of this stature. So the finance is there, and much more. Hobart City Council has provided tangible support by offering North Hobart Oval at a generous rent, South Hobart FC have offered their facilities at Darcy Street and Wellesley Oval as a training base, while Federal MP Andrew Wilkie is believed to be so enthusiastic that he'll find the $12 million needed to install temporary seating, improve floodlighting and upgrade broadcast and corporate facilities to bring North Hobart up to the required standards. With its location, its vista and its history, North Hobart Oval would easily become the most atmospheric ground in the A-League. Beneath all this, the game is ready to blossom. Since the failed Tasmania United bid five years ago, a statewide league has been re-established, and grassroots participation has exploded to 14,000 players. Three Tasmanians – Jerrad Tyson (Western Sydney Wanderers), Andy Brennan (Newcastle Jets) and Josh Hope (Melbourne Victory) – are on the books of A-League clubs. In recent years South Hobart have proved competitive in the national NPL play-offs, while Devonport City's exploits in this year's FFA Cup captured imagination around the country. Finally, Tasmania is part of the conversation. So here's the chance to capitalise, with one key rider. There's no rectangular stadium of a professional standard in the state. North Hobart is perfect in the short term, but ultimately the game needs more. Hodgman and a government that routinely decries its structural economic handicaps can make a concrete contribution to their own cause by building a boutique stadium – most likely as part of a new "Home of Football" at a greenfield site near Hobart airport – in order to secure the long-term future of the A-League team. That's an A-League team that can provide career opportunities and economic incentives for Tasmanians, and that can promote the state around the country, but more importantly to a global audience, especially Asia. The state government needs to back that. For the FFA, of course, there are different perspectives. With a population of 500,000, Tasmania is not the biggest untapped market for the A-League if commercial and broadcast measurements are the only benchmark. But if that's the case, we won't be seeing any regional teams joining the competition. Disaster. So here's a bid that covers the bases that truly count, which grows the footprint of the competition, and which is ready to go. Oh, and it would get the jump on the AFL, which has long taken Tasmania for granted. Perfect timing and a compelling reason for the FFA to be bold.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/its-time-for-the-ffa-to-be-bold-and-welcome-team-from-tasmania-to-the-aleague-20161103-gshpy7.html
About two years ago, I thought his articles were usually rubbish. Since Cockerill has written so many good articles nobody else writes about in a range of issues. Yet another article where he is bang on the money with his research and opinion. MC desperately wants to see the regions engaged.
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+x+xI guess if they went with "Tigers" as their spirit animal it may be more fitting with stripes (hoops), You could incoporate it into the logo. Isn't the state cricket team already called that? Yes.
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So what else is played at north Hobart? AFL in winter? Cricket in summer? I'd think it's the former, and that's the reason why it's oval shaped. If there's no need then why not squash it in and make it as rectangular as possible.
Thing with crowds is, it's one thing to get 15k to a big bash when you only have 4 homes games (+finals potentially) a season! A lot harder to average that over 13 games.
Decentric, of the 14k participants would you have any idea on the age groups this would represent? Mostly kids, young adults, or the all ages kind of kickabout comps?
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Fixed. Excuse the crude photoshopping:  Bowl over/move those two shittier looking grandstands in the south west and north east corners, and build on the inside of the field. The nice traditional looking grandstand would be retained with a shallow terrace of seating in front; you can see in the above videos how the front of the grandstand is raised and would allow this. The terrace in the corner would have to be chopped into a bit for the corner flag, shouldn't be a problem. Done.
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+xFixed. Excuse the crude photoshopping: Bowl over/move those two shittier looking grandstands in the south west and north east corners, and build on the inside of the field. The nice traditional looking grandstand would be retained with a shallow terrace of seating in front; you can see in the above videos how the front of the grandstand is raised and would allow this. The terrace in the corner would have to be chopped into a bit for the corner flag, shouldn't be a problem. Done. Both the stands with "coopers" and "aufc" arent needed. You want to keep it tight. :) 
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+x+xFixed. Excuse the crude photoshopping: Bowl over/move those two shittier looking grandstands in the south west and north east corners, and build on the inside of the field. The nice traditional looking grandstand would be retained with a shallow terrace of seating in front; you can see in the above videos how the front of the grandstand is raised and would allow this. The terrace in the corner would have to be chopped into a bit for the corner flag, shouldn't be a problem. Done. Both the stands with "coopers" and "aufc" arent needed. You want to keep it tight. :) Probably, but I just wanted to make it obvious where I was stealing them from!
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Tasmania should have been in the A league years ago.
Just get on with it FFA
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+x+x+x+x+xQuality article by Senator McKim, great to see a Tassie politician backing expansion down there. Let the kit designing begin..... I would just straight up copy Portugal 2010 world cup kits, but reverse them to play at home in the white and away in red top    then add the "Devils" , "Tigers" or "Red Lions" I like Red Lions  No love for Timbers? Is Decentric the only person living or from Tasmania on the forums? Would like to see what the locals think on colours and insignia. I'd prefer Devils or Timbers personally but I have no connection to Tas. Why does their flag have a lion anyway? Is it just a throwback to English/colonial heritage? If so much prefer Devils as an animal or Timbers. Surely would represent the area better than another lion. No he isn't, as I am a 2nd and there may be others. I actually don't mind most of the colour suggestions. Name wise Devils has been used twice before (basketball and VFL state league about 10-15 years ago) so it wouldn't be considered. Timbers would be too divisive given the neverending forestry "debate" and I don't think a Lion has much connection, whereas it may have 60-80 years ago. Similar to WSW during it's formation I would think the best way to go is to get some fan groups together to give suggestions for names and other important details. Thankkss. Would be interested to see locals response if they get shortlisted. Why would having past clubs using Devils mean it won't be considered? Just that if it has failed twice before and are associated with other sports including AFL you would most likely want to have a fresh name.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xQuality article by Senator McKim, great to see a Tassie politician backing expansion down there. Let the kit designing begin..... I would just straight up copy Portugal 2010 world cup kits, but reverse them to play at home in the white and away in red top then add the "Devils" , "Tigers" or "Red Lions" I like Red Lions No love for Timbers? Is Decentric the only person living or from Tasmania on the forums? Would like to see what the locals think on colours and insignia. I'd prefer Devils or Timbers personally but I have no connection to Tas. Why does their flag have a lion anyway? Is it just a throwback to English/colonial heritage? If so much prefer Devils as an animal or Timbers. Surely would represent the area better than another lion. No he isn't, as I am a 2nd and there may be others. I actually don't mind most of the colour suggestions. Name wise Devils has been used twice before (basketball and VFL state league about 10-15 years ago) so it wouldn't be considered. Timbers would be too divisive given the neverending forestry "debate" and I don't think a Lion has much connection, whereas it may have 60-80 years ago. Similar to WSW during it's formation I would think the best way to go is to get some fan groups together to give suggestions for names and other important details. Thankkss. Would be interested to see locals response if they get shortlisted. Why would having past clubs using Devils mean it won't be considered? Just that if it has failed twice before and are associated with other sports including AFL you would most likely want to have a fresh name. I agree. You can have Rovers, Rangers, etc or just United the "Diemens" ? Is a corny play on words but could work   
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xQuality article by Senator McKim, great to see a Tassie politician backing expansion down there. Let the kit designing begin..... I would just straight up copy Portugal 2010 world cup kits, but reverse them to play at home in the white and away in red top then add the "Devils" , "Tigers" or "Red Lions" I like Red Lions No love for Timbers? Is Decentric the only person living or from Tasmania on the forums? Would like to see what the locals think on colours and insignia. I'd prefer Devils or Timbers personally but I have no connection to Tas. Why does their flag have a lion anyway? Is it just a throwback to English/colonial heritage? If so much prefer Devils as an animal or Timbers. Surely would represent the area better than another lion. No he isn't, as I am a 2nd and there may be others. I actually don't mind most of the colour suggestions. Name wise Devils has been used twice before (basketball and VFL state league about 10-15 years ago) so it wouldn't be considered. Timbers would be too divisive given the neverending forestry "debate" and I don't think a Lion has much connection, whereas it may have 60-80 years ago. Similar to WSW during it's formation I would think the best way to go is to get some fan groups together to give suggestions for names and other important details. Thankkss. Would be interested to see locals response if they get shortlisted. Why would having past clubs using Devils mean it won't be considered? Just that if it has failed twice before and are associated with other sports including AFL you would most likely want to have a fresh name. I agree. You can have Rovers, Rangers, etc the "Diemens" ? Is a corny play on words but could work Rangers then go celtic colours.
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+xTasmania should have been in the A league years ago.Just get on with it FFA Yeah, but the financial backing and government support wasn't there years ago, it is now. FFA/Stamoulis/Belteky/TAS Gov need to ensure that the temp seating arrangement needs to be part of the deal. Need #metrics in there to say that if a crowd average of 10k can be reached consistently after a few years, rectangular stadium (max 15k) needs to be built.
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