When the Nix got the licence they beat a Gold Coast Galaxy bid and a very strong Townsville bid backed by serious overseas money but they wanted the brand name in the title, there was no serious Canberra bid at that stage that came as a result of missing out in this process and there was no Wollongong or South Melbourne bid!

And the licence they were awarded was from a foundation NZ team, so to infer they're stealing a spot is farcical, every time the FFA and Foxsports have had a chance to say no, they've said yes!

You are yet to learn that I do not respond to insults or abuse.

The inference that I don't want a suite of
new additions in the A-League is frankly fanciful and if you can't see the potential of one and possibly two NZ teams in say a 16 team competition with a semi moving towards professional second tier then we don't really have anything to discuss anyway.

NB. if we are going to have two tiers of professional teams we are talking upwards of 26 teams...,and it your scared or angered by perhaps two...then Wow!

Are they achieving those "metrics?" I would think maybe the FFA insisted that these benchmarks be an improvement on what they had offered to date. Well, this season's average is currently the lowest in their history, their on field results haven't improved, it's a safe bet their ratings haven't improved... they're getting an extra... what... 100k in TV money compared to last? I can think of better returns on 3 million of salaries paid for than 100k. We're not getting what we paid for - with money we don't have - from a non aligned federation that is developing a competing national team and in so doing forgoing the opportunity to invest in our own game and straining our relationship with our own federation. Nothing about this arrangement benefits us nor NZ in the long term.

If you want to critique the Nix then use the facts, they contribute towards the tv deal as does every other club, now you can argue the pie would be bigger if they were replaced by an Australian club but you cant ignore the fact that they contribute to the deal.

If you want an argument then use the facts.

And in a 16 team league there would probably be 20 plus Kiwis in the comp anyway...don't forget many Kiwis have dual citizenship.

Pretty much this. Their only contribution to the TV deal is as a placeholder.

As for the whole 'they were invited thing', this is their ninth season. In that time, six clubs have won at least one Premiership, Melbourne City won the FFA Cup, Newcastle won a Grand Final, and Perth has been a finalist in two FFA Cup Finals. Wellington has achieved three-fifths of nothing much at all. With at least one Australian club willing and able (We all know who), they should have been boned at the end of the last season. Considering their metrics are worse than last season, they probably won't make it past their first licence review in another 3.5 seasons.

The TV money that we hand out to every A-League club will always be better in the hands of Australian clubs than clubs in a foreign country. 

Until they are annexed by Australia, they can fuck off.

Joffa, you are fighting a losing battle.

@ Joffa

The Nixs do contribute to the TV deal but we know (from public statements by Fox and the Super Rugby negotiations) that fox put a much lower value on foreign clubs - even the big names rugby franchises in NZ were valued less than the Australian franchises despite the obvious quality on offer: Fox want Australian content to sell to Australian customers and that's the reality for Nix especially with the low Sky deal over there. (Fox also put a different value on teams located in south Sydney vs. Tasmania but that's another debate)

Am i the only one who has an issue with City and not Jets or CCM or Phoenix?. With the amount of support City has received from Cahill, Man City and they are a team in Melb (heavily supported soccer fans) they should be getting 15-16k to their matches not 9-11k that's something Perth, Jets or CCM are expected to get. Forget Phoenix we know they need more help but deadset this is what i think will happen, a 3rd Melbourne team will enter the league and will take over City pushing them to 3rd and the new team will gain more members and crowds. It will be Victory, Geelong team and then City. If this was to happen that will look extremely bad. So i think our biggest issue is why City is struggling as their results are good.

Thoughts? 

There are several clubs significantly underperforming and they seem to be given a pass mark for quite disappointing community engagement/attendances.

If you put a 2nd team in Sydney played them out of the same stadium etc. I would doubt they would have 12k members and AVE 11,500 crowds.

Are you deflecting from Wellington's failures again?

I guess that depends on whether or not you can read and have a basic understanding of the English language, you're use of the word again makes me think not as my point of view has never changed.

Anyway, if I understand correctly, you've been incessantly deflecting. Got it.

So you don't know that I ve been deflecting but you understand that I have by the very popular group think consensus that occurs on here....right, got ya, cheers!

Next year will be the yardstick to see if Melb City hold onto the members from this year.

2 years back you had 11k members, then last year that dropped to 9k, which has been the recent years average.

Your ave attendances have not moved much at all, and this year you do not have 2 derbies to fall back on to prop up your numbers.

Poor Joffa, everyone out to get his beloved Nix. 

I'm gobsmacked that City haven't  generated more support too.

I haven't seen the data.  It must be here somewhere though.  There is a possibility that it is the  case that Sydney now generate bigger crowds per week, with the  combined aggregate of SFC and WSW crowds, than Melbourne does with the combined MV/MC weekly support.

Interesting.

At least they are improving!

They don't

12/13
Melbourne: 417680
Sydney: 416798

13/14
Melbourne: 422567
Sydney: 454720

14/15
Melbourne 490695
Sydney 401204

15/16
Melbourne 455109
Sydney 410865

One guarantee is thay theae new clubs especially the ones coming from big cities will be comfortably averaging higher than phoenix who would be at around 6kish by now. 

The clubs i was expecting better from this season are newcastle and wsw. But the confidence is there that they will pick up. Newcastle have been out of finals contention for almost the lifetime of the phoenix whereas phoenix have done better on the field yet year on year are bottom on pretty much all metrics.

Phoenix out in 3 years when they fail miserably at meeting the metrics set. Believe it or not i was one that was strongly in favour of giving them a second chance last year, but as feared at the time, the whole save the nix campaign was just a short lil boost to get the whole of the community to support. No.interest now though

Wow I've never seen Joffa triggered so hard

Newcastle has top side break out potential. We saw it in year 2 and to a lesser extent 3, 7 and 8. Some 20k+ crowds in there. They're the Sleeping Giant of Australian football. 

Wellington is the sleeping hobbit of bum fuck nowhere

Look here tough guy, We are just having a bad season is all. Next season when the new TV deal money gets funnelled through to us things will improve somewhat. We can get a marque for ratings and bring in crowds. Just that this year we really have to squat hard and hope for a few wins to bring some 6 to 7k crowds towards the end of the season.
Remember we can have 3 more years of 5k crowds - In the last year (Year 4) we can just do another #SaveTheNixs campaign and get a rubber stamp from the FFA again.

And most of the save the nix cries will be from East of the Tasman. It's incredible how much of a hardon some Aussies have for Wellington compared to Wellington.

Your logic would mean that if my street got a team together we would be contributing to the deal. Making up the numbers in that respect. Doesnt mean we are actually providing any calue at all.

Seriously are u blind or employed by the wellnix? You must be seriously delusional if u think the phoenix are providing any sort of value to.the league. In pretty much all metrics they are dead stone last.

You would think that after the lifeline the ffa gave them last year that they would be hitting this year with a bang but unfortunately they are now worse off than they were 2 years ago. 

Sure the ffa have to now eait 3 more yrs but it will be all over for them then unless some drastic changes in the metrics occur. Defending them and saying that they are on par with other clubs in terms of the value they provide to this league in all respects is utterly ridiculous. Seriously laughable. 

I guess the question is to you then, what sort of shovking performance on all fronts would be required for them to be c9nsidered a lost cause?
Should they be averaging 2k is that what it is? Should they have less than 50% of members to the 9th team on the ladder? Because it sounds like the level of expectation of them to be included is set at a ridiculously low level if you deem their current position as satisfying or acceptable for inclusion in the Australian league.

Isn't Sky only paying 200k to the broadcasting deal?

And the FFA are paying out the salary cap of 2.5m?

So 2.3m net loss to Australia if you look at the direct costs. There might be indirect benefits like a NZ team contributing to the local economy etc but that would be done by any team.

The Nix are great for NZ football but they should be paying for their only professional team...

Love the way you attack the man to try and gain credibility to your argument,  I am neither an employee of the Nix, the FFA nor am l an advocate/supporter  for either....interestingly thought others taking the opposite view can't claim the same can they?

i have already answered the metrics question, I don't know the details of the contract and nor do you, so let it run it's course, the FFA have precedence of acting when they need to, why would this situation be any different?

In general I'm disappointed to see so much animosity directed towards Nix from fellow Aussies on this forum.

If the league expands we are  probably going to have more teams like CCM, Jets and Nix, who are likely to draw smaller crowds. I think we are unlikely to see more biggish HAL clubs than the four biggest city clubs and AU, PG and BR.

If Nix played in a smaller stadium like they did at Lower Hutt, it may generate a better atmosphere with smaller crowds.

Not sure of your point really