A-League salary cap punishes success, writes Mark Bosnich


A-League salary cap punishes success, writes Mark Bosnich

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Why would anyone pick Berisha over George as your marquee?

The point is we shouldn't have to pick in the first place. Clubs have money to spend and should be allowed to do so as they see fit.

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scott21 - 21 Mar 2018 11:55 PM

Simon Hill on A-League’s foreign player rules: Changes must be made to get quality over equality

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QUALITY or equality?

Football in Australia has long attempted to have both, but it’s becoming increasingly clear that one is being compromised by the other.

The concept of both quality and equality comes from the other football codes. Share the love, spread the talent out via a salary cap, and you get a competitive league with the very best going head to head against each other each week.

It sounds utopian, doesn’t it?

Except that in football, there is one tiny flaw. It’s global footprint.

Thus, unlike the other codes, the best talent tends to “bleed” out of the local competition and overseas in the chase for better wages, opportunities, or both.

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Sydney's struggles continue

Greed? No, it’s just the football economy, doing its thing. Players only have a short career, and if they can get better cash in Thailand or Saudi Arabia, then they owe it to themselves, and their families, to take it.

The A-League has long been said to have a “soft” salary cap – there are all sorts of exemptions to entice players to come (or stay). But perhaps it’s time the regulations were looked at again – or else we risk diluting the standard of the competition in favour of equality once more.

Across Asia, leagues in Japan, China, Korea, the Middle East, are all boosted by imports.

They are normally players fans want to see, and while no-one is pretending Australian clubs can match the financial muscle of the Chinese Super League, it remains baffling we make it so hard for clubs to retain their top foreign talent.

For example next season, Sydney FC must try to juggle two marquee spots between three players – Bobo, Milos Ninkovic and Adrian Mierzejewski – if they wish to retain the trio.

Where does that leave Jordy Buijs?

Adrian Mierzejewki (left) and Milos Ninkovic (right). Who will stay?
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Defenders rarely draw marquee money, so he’s likely to be on his way. Turning 30 later this year, the Dutchman may only have two decent contracts ahead of him.

Yet between them, Bobo, Mierzejewski and Ninkovic have scored 39 of Sydney’s 55 goals, while Buijs has been one of the cornerstones of the league’s meanest defence.

It was the same story with Brisbane Roar’s back-to-back title winning team, where Thomas Broich and Besart Berisha played crucial parts. Roar lost Berisha to Victory for nothing, thanks to the same restrictive rules – which, in those days, allowed for only one foreign marquee.

Sporting excellence is being punished. It’s unfathomable.

It’s not just Sydney FC that stand to lose next season.

Melbourne Victory have already earmarked James Troisi as one of their marquees for next season – and Besart Berisha is more than likely to be the second.

All of which will leave Victory’s standout player, Leroy George, as the odd man out in the equation. He deserves better.

Thomas Broich and Besart Berisha were separated. Pic Jono Searle.

If George ends up returning overseas, then everyone loses – not least the fans – and while you can lay the blame at Victory’s door in part for pre-empting the marquee spots, this is why, in my opinion, all foreigners must come out of the cap, as a precursor to the removal of the cap entirely.

The arguments against are familiar ones.

High wages for players who don’t perform is one. But isn’t that always the risk clubs run when signing players, big money or not?

Disadvantaging Australian players is another.

Perhaps. Which is why I would be in favour of allowing one marquee spot to remain open for Aussies, while also reducing the foreign allocation to 3+1 to fall into line with Asian Champions League rules.

What happens with Leroy George if Melbourne Victory have two marquees?

Less quantity, more quality – plus more spots available for local players, as we await long-overdue expansion.

But now to the crux of the issue: Would the clubs be able to afford it?

Some will and some won’t. Some will go for it and others will cut their cloth accordingly. Sound familiar? Yes, that’s what happens now under our salary capped league.

Central Coast Mariners have just three foreign players on their books at present, and no marquees. Wellington and Adelaide are also in the “nil” category at present when it comes to players outside the cap.

So why are we penalising those who push the boat out?

The new system would potentially help A-League clubs compete in Asia.

Our clubs have struggled on the regional stage, yet the margins between victory and defeat are mainly down to the foreign talent available to the non-salary capped leagues we compete against.

Man for man, are the Chinese players (for example) better than their Australian counterparts? I’d say it’s the foreigners who make the difference.

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To underline the point, seven of the nine goals conceded by Melbourne Victory in the group stage have been scored by foreigners, while four of the seven put past Sydney FC have also been scored by overseas-born players.

As of next season, the A-League is likely to be aligned to the “plus one” rule. Allowing clubs to pay outside the cap in this category would also help in the recruitment of Asian players, as it’s unlikely cheap AFC imports will help either the clubs, or the competition.

Ultimately of course, there is no doubt that the introduction of such a system would mean the bigger clubs dominating at the expense of the smaller clubs.

But is that so wrong about that?

It happens in leagues all around the world – and in case you missed it, it is already happening here too. There is nothing inherently bad about having big and small clubs – and we already have a significant equalisation measure in place, called the top six. You can still win the A-League – even with a negative win, loss ratio.

But the bigger clubs need to be allowed to grow, and be the drivers of excellence in the A-League. Better players stimulate interest in the market, not just at the host club, but among competitors too. That is what we should be striving for, surely?

To do that in a global game costs money. If clubs can afford to spend it, why should they be stopped? If they can’t, or don’t want to – no problem. But let the clubs decide, not the regulations.

Because equalising back down towards the lowest common denominator, rather than encouraging the rest of the competition to catch up, doesn’t raise the overall standard.

Equality over quality? In a global game operating in a highly competitive sporting market, it’s a concept that simply doesn’t work.

Originally published as Simon Hill: ‘Excellence is punished. It’s unfathomable’

A-League foreign player rules: 3+1, Simon Hill solution | Daily Telegraph


Why would anyone pick Berisha over George as your marquee?

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scott21 - 21 Mar 2018 11:58 PM
Wellington Phoenix in round 23, 35 points behind SFC can no longer make the final 6 and thus be champs. 

5 rounds left when they lost the chance......

This is what the 10 team A-League is. 

This is why every team has that "we are a proud team" aura. Because they pass the trophies around. Except Perth. Sorry Perth.

i would lol but this makes me sad

 




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Wellington Phoenix in round 23, 35 points behind SFC can no longer make the final 6 and thus be champs. 

5 rounds left when they lost the chance......

This is what the 10 team A-League is. 

This is why every team has that "we are a proud team" aura. Because they pass the trophies around. Except Perth. Sorry Perth.

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Simon Hill on A-League’s foreign player rules: Changes must be made to get quality over equality

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QUALITY or equality?

Football in Australia has long attempted to have both, but it’s becoming increasingly clear that one is being compromised by the other.

The concept of both quality and equality comes from the other football codes. Share the love, spread the talent out via a salary cap, and you get a competitive league with the very best going head to head against each other each week.

It sounds utopian, doesn’t it?

Except that in football, there is one tiny flaw. It’s global footprint.

Thus, unlike the other codes, the best talent tends to “bleed” out of the local competition and overseas in the chase for better wages, opportunities, or both.

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Greed? No, it’s just the football economy, doing its thing. Players only have a short career, and if they can get better cash in Thailand or Saudi Arabia, then they owe it to themselves, and their families, to take it.

The A-League has long been said to have a “soft” salary cap – there are all sorts of exemptions to entice players to come (or stay). But perhaps it’s time the regulations were looked at again – or else we risk diluting the standard of the competition in favour of equality once more.

Across Asia, leagues in Japan, China, Korea, the Middle East, are all boosted by imports.

They are normally players fans want to see, and while no-one is pretending Australian clubs can match the financial muscle of the Chinese Super League, it remains baffling we make it so hard for clubs to retain their top foreign talent.

For example next season, Sydney FC must try to juggle two marquee spots between three players – Bobo, Milos Ninkovic and Adrian Mierzejewski – if they wish to retain the trio.

Where does that leave Jordy Buijs?

Adrian Mierzejewki (left) and Milos Ninkovic (right). Who will stay?
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Defenders rarely draw marquee money, so he’s likely to be on his way. Turning 30 later this year, the Dutchman may only have two decent contracts ahead of him.

Yet between them, Bobo, Mierzejewski and Ninkovic have scored 39 of Sydney’s 55 goals, while Buijs has been one of the cornerstones of the league’s meanest defence.

It was the same story with Brisbane Roar’s back-to-back title winning team, where Thomas Broich and Besart Berisha played crucial parts. Roar lost Berisha to Victory for nothing, thanks to the same restrictive rules – which, in those days, allowed for only one foreign marquee.

Sporting excellence is being punished. It’s unfathomable.

It’s not just Sydney FC that stand to lose next season.

Melbourne Victory have already earmarked James Troisi as one of their marquees for next season – and Besart Berisha is more than likely to be the second.

All of which will leave Victory’s standout player, Leroy George, as the odd man out in the equation. He deserves better.

Thomas Broich and Besart Berisha were separated. Pic Jono Searle.

If George ends up returning overseas, then everyone loses – not least the fans – and while you can lay the blame at Victory’s door in part for pre-empting the marquee spots, this is why, in my opinion, all foreigners must come out of the cap, as a precursor to the removal of the cap entirely.

The arguments against are familiar ones.

High wages for players who don’t perform is one. But isn’t that always the risk clubs run when signing players, big money or not?

Disadvantaging Australian players is another.

Perhaps. Which is why I would be in favour of allowing one marquee spot to remain open for Aussies, while also reducing the foreign allocation to 3+1 to fall into line with Asian Champions League rules.

What happens with Leroy George if Melbourne Victory have two marquees?

Less quantity, more quality – plus more spots available for local players, as we await long-overdue expansion.

But now to the crux of the issue: Would the clubs be able to afford it?

Some will and some won’t. Some will go for it and others will cut their cloth accordingly. Sound familiar? Yes, that’s what happens now under our salary capped league.

Central Coast Mariners have just three foreign players on their books at present, and no marquees. Wellington and Adelaide are also in the “nil” category at present when it comes to players outside the cap.

So why are we penalising those who push the boat out?

The new system would potentially help A-League clubs compete in Asia.

Our clubs have struggled on the regional stage, yet the margins between victory and defeat are mainly down to the foreign talent available to the non-salary capped leagues we compete against.

Man for man, are the Chinese players (for example) better than their Australian counterparts? I’d say it’s the foreigners who make the difference.

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To underline the point, seven of the nine goals conceded by Melbourne Victory in the group stage have been scored by foreigners, while four of the seven put past Sydney FC have also been scored by overseas-born players.

As of next season, the A-League is likely to be aligned to the “plus one” rule. Allowing clubs to pay outside the cap in this category would also help in the recruitment of Asian players, as it’s unlikely cheap AFC imports will help either the clubs, or the competition.

Ultimately of course, there is no doubt that the introduction of such a system would mean the bigger clubs dominating at the expense of the smaller clubs.

But is that so wrong about that?

It happens in leagues all around the world – and in case you missed it, it is already happening here too. There is nothing inherently bad about having big and small clubs – and we already have a significant equalisation measure in place, called the top six. You can still win the A-League – even with a negative win, loss ratio.

But the bigger clubs need to be allowed to grow, and be the drivers of excellence in the A-League. Better players stimulate interest in the market, not just at the host club, but among competitors too. That is what we should be striving for, surely?

To do that in a global game costs money. If clubs can afford to spend it, why should they be stopped? If they can’t, or don’t want to – no problem. But let the clubs decide, not the regulations.

Because equalising back down towards the lowest common denominator, rather than encouraging the rest of the competition to catch up, doesn’t raise the overall standard.

Equality over quality? In a global game operating in a highly competitive sporting market, it’s a concept that simply doesn’t work.

Originally published as Simon Hill: ‘Excellence is punished. It’s unfathomable’

A-League foreign player rules: 3+1, Simon Hill solution | Daily Telegraph


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sub007 - 24 Jan 2018 2:48 PM
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That isn't an equalisation measure. Stop pretending that it is.

its supposed to be, and now because of what Sydney fc is doing, the salary cap is obsolete.
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sub007 - 24 Jan 2018 2:48 PM
bluebird - 24 Jan 2018 2:08 PM

That isn't an equalisation measure. Stop pretending that it is.

Neither is the Salary Cap

This season: Sydney --> Daylight --> Middle table --> Bottom table
Last season: Sydney --> Daylight --> Middle table --> Bottom table

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Eldar - 24 Jan 2018 1:55 PM

You do realise that the Philippines has a salary cap as well right? 

Even more embarrassing then. Hopefully we can try and remain competitive with them, if not better than, at least not too far behind. Though, god help us if Indonesia ever gets its shit together.


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bluebird - 24 Jan 2018 2:08 PM
What does a salary cap prevent that the 3+1 rule doesn't?

That isn't an equalisation measure. Stop pretending that it is.
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Eldar - 24 Jan 2018 1:55 PM
It is hard to see the cap remaining given the rate we are being overtaken by nations like The Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand....let alone Japan or Korea.

The more the A-League looks like a second rate league and our national players as second rate, the more damage is done.

You do realise that the Philippines has a salary cap as well right? 
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Eldar - 24 Jan 2018 1:55 PM
It is hard to see the cap remaining given the rate we are being overtaken by nations like The Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand....let alone Japan or Korea.

The more the A-League looks like a second rate league and our national players as second rate, the more damage is done.

You do know you are talking about the FFA making this decision?






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What does a salary cap prevent that the 3+1 rule doesn't?



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Coverdale - 24 Jan 2018 1:47 PM
If the cap was scrapped I’d assume the cba would still be in place and squad size requirements so in reality there would continue to be a minimum spend forced into clubs. Correct?

Correct, players would need to be paid minimum wage as set out in the CBA. So the salary floor would be whatever the value is, if every player on the squad was on minimum wage.

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It is hard to see the cap remaining given the rate we are being overtaken by nations like The Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand....let alone Japan or Korea.

The more the A-League looks like a second rate league and our national players as second rate, the more damage is done.


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If the cap was scrapped I’d assume the cba would still be in place and squad size requirements so in reality there would continue to be a minimum spend forced into clubs. Correct?
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The biggest problem with the cap isn't that it exists, it's the format it takes in this league. All of these exemptions lead to really unbalanced squads and as a result, really inconsistent performances. Having an expensive marquee attacking player and then average mid fielders and defenders means the marquee attacking player is never going to get the consistent service they require. On top of all that, it also leads to the musical chair effect of players moving from club to club purely because they no longer fit within the cap budget. Then there are all these short 1-2 year contracts that are the norm in this league because of the cap, meaning that supporters (especially the kids) can never really get behind a favorite player because said player won't be around long enough. If we must have a cap (which I don't think we do) it should be a set value (eg: $10M) with no exemptions. 
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 24 Jan 2018 1:08 PM
Not having Relegation doesn't punish failure

spot on, introduce P/R and then watch the investment across all levels








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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 12:24 PM
jlm8695 - 24 Jan 2018 12:14 PM

So what you are saying is that Roar who iron on their own numbers purchased from Spotlight, cant beat a semi professional team from the Philipines and are currently sitting in 8th, should be allowed to spend even less as their billionaire owners dont give a crap about Aussie football. I am sure Roar fans would be happy.

All this built on the ASSUMPTION the owners would spend less....
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Not having Relegation doesn't punish failure

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 12:24 PM
jlm8695 - 24 Jan 2018 12:14 PM

So what you are saying is that Roar who iron on their own numbers purchased from Spotlight, cant beat a semi professional team from the Philipines and are currently sitting in 8th, should be allowed to spend even less as their billionaire owners dont give a crap about Aussie football. I am sure Roar fans would be happy.

Where's the $4m loss this year ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 11:42 AM
Some people on here are delusional. Roar couldn't afford to get proper numbers on their jersey's or a second shirt for the ACL game last night yet you think they can afford to go on a spending spree on players wages? 

More the point they wouldn't have been there if the A League didn't have a salary cap




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jlm8695 - 24 Jan 2018 12:14 PM

AJF - 24 Jan 2018 12:02 PM


Teams will spend what they can sustain. Ambitious teams can take losses and push to the top, teams with rich owners can ignore losses, teams can become feeder clubs and churn out players for profit, teams can basically be run how they want to be run without the threat of inevitable losses every year preventing them froms tabilising without large cash injections.

Basically how football works everywhere.

We're not unique, just horribly managed. 

So what you are saying is that Roar who iron on their own numbers purchased from Spotlight, cant beat a semi professional team from the Philipines and are currently sitting in 8th, should be allowed to spend even less as their billionaire owners dont give a crap about Aussie football. I am sure Roar fans would be happy.








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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 12:02 PM
jlm8695 - 24 Jan 2018 11:53 AM

So you support removing the cap to allow owners to spend less, cant argue with that logic. 

I am yes. 


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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 12:02 PM
jlm8695 - 24 Jan 2018 11:53 AM

So you support removing the cap to allow owners to spend less. 


Teams will spend what they can sustain. Ambitious teams can take losses and push to the top, teams with rich owners can ignore losses, teams can become feeder clubs and churn out players for profit, teams can basically be run how they want to be run without the threat of inevitable losses every year preventing them froms tabilising without large cash injections.

Basically how football works everywhere.

We're not unique.
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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 11:42 AM

Maybe if they weren't forced to spend a set amount of money on player wages they could budget accordingly to be able to provide proper shirt numbers. 

No salary cap isn't just about allowing clubs to spend more money. It's allowing clubs to spend within their means.

So you support removing the cap to allow owners to spend less, cant argue with that logic. 








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AJF - 24 Jan 2018 11:42 AM
Some people on here are delusional. Roar couldn't afford to get proper numbers on their jersey's or a second shirt for the ACL game last night yet you think they can afford to go on a spending spree on players wages? 

Maybe if they weren't forced to spend a set amount of money on player wages they could budget accordingly to be able to provide proper shirt numbers. 

No salary cap isn't just about allowing clubs to spend more money. It's allowing clubs to spend within their means.
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Some people on here are delusional. Roar couldn't afford to get proper numbers on their jersey's or a second shirt for the ACL game last night yet you think they can afford to go on a spending spree on players wages? 








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aussie pride - 24 Jan 2018 10:54 AM
bluebird - 24 Jan 2018 10:32 AM

The FFA & Gallop are the most conservative/unambitious sporting administrators in Australia.
While most core fans would love to see it scrapped, i honestly can't see them making any "risky" or drastic changes.
These guys are the same lot that hire consultants for everything because they fear on making their own decisions for the game.

That's why I see a small change (increasing to 5 players exempt of the cap) as realistic and at least a step towards the ultimate goal, scrapping the cap.

So the answer then is to get rid of Lowy and Gallop

Everybody in a position of employment has to be fit for their job and are judged based on deliverables. No sense our code working around people unfit for their job






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bluebird - 24 Jan 2018 10:32 AM
aussie pride - 24 Jan 2018 10:05 AM

It would make more sense to scrap the cap and "trial" any changes that prove to be a problem

I seriously don't understand the high level of fear around the salary cap. Removing it will not be the end of the league by any stretch of the imagination

The FFA & Gallop are the most conservative/unambitious sporting administrators in Australia.
While most core fans would love to see it scrapped, i honestly can't see them making any "risky" or drastic changes.
These guys are the same lot that hire consultants for everything because they fear on making their own decisions for the game.

That's why I see a small change (increasing to 5 players exempt of the cap) as realistic and at least a step towards the ultimate goal, scrapping the cap.
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