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salmonfc - 31 Jan 2017 10:58 AM
Week two:

White House says it deliberately omitted Jews from its Holocaust Remembrance Day Statement.

https://time.com/4652863/white-house-statement-holocaust-remembrance-day/

Donald Trump signs new executive order stating that for every regulation that is implemented, two must be removed. (What the actual fuck is the point of this?) When you start working in the real world, you will understand the point of this. Governments will often implement regulation for political point scoring and nothing else. It complicates things, costs jobs and drives up costs.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-signs-executive-order-requiring-that-for-every-one-new-regulation-two-must-be-revoked-234365

A group of rogue White House staffers are supposedly tweeting White House secrets.

http://bgr.com/2017/01/30/donald-trump-vs-white-house-rogues/

Anonymous sources claim that an executive order allowing anti-LGBTQ discrimination is coming in the next few days. So the government will not force bakeries to make Wedding cakes for events which they disagree with on religious grounds. Bigots have the right to be bigots and private businesses have the right to run their businesses how they want. 

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/01/sources-report-trump-executive-order-lgbtq-community-coming-soon/

Donald Trump's first US military raid kills 30 civilians, including 10 women and children. Terrible news. But on the bright side, now you Lefty lunatics will take an interest in military operations as it will give you the opportunity to harp on about how Trump is "literally Hitler". Lets ignore the fact that drone strikes have been an ongoing thing for the past 8 years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-military-attack-yemen-civilians-women-children-dead-a7553121.html

Here's a harrowing quote from that article;

"The operation began at dawn when a drone bombed the home of Abdulraoof al-Dhahab and then helicopters flew up and unloaded paratroopers at his house and killed everyone inside," said one anonymous resident, in an account of the incident corroborated by Yemeni security staff."

Donald Trump said he wanted to kill the families of suspected terrorists. This was not just a raid gone awry. This was intentional.



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So Trump becomes the first president since Nixon to fire an AG.
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I dont see whats so muslim about this place
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vanlassen - 31 Jan 2017 11:47 AM
salmonfc - 31 Jan 2017 10:58 AM

Bigots have the right to be bigots and private businesses have the right to run their businesses how they want. 


So you support segregation then? 

Cinemas should be allowed to force their black customers to sit at the back?

Pubs should be allowed to refuse entry to non-whites?

If your answer is yes, then you're scum - if not, then you're an idiot and your argument is stupid.
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vanlassen - 31 Jan 2017 11:47 AM
salmonfc - 31 Jan 2017 10:58 AM

When you start working in the real world, you will understand the point of this. Governments will often implement regulation for political point scoring and nothing else. It complicates things, costs jobs and drives up costs.

Jesus, this entire post is a disaster.

Speaking of the real world, have you ever run a small business? Regulations (anti-monopoly and diversified public contract laws are just a couple of examples) are often critical in protecting those businesses.

This idea that all regulations are bad, or inherently anti-business, is absurd. Indeed, if anything is "political point-scoring", it's signing an executive order that irrationally prevents a government from doing its job.
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Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 6:16 PM
vanlassen - 31 Jan 2017 11:47 AM

Jesus, this entire post is a disaster.

Speaking of the real world, have you ever run a small business? Regulations (anti-monopoly and diversified public contract laws are just a couple of examples) are often critical in protecting those businesses.

This idea that all regulations are bad, or inherently anti-business, is absurd. Indeed, if anything is "political point-scoring", it's signing an executive order that irrationally prevents a government from doing its job.

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I actually like Trump a lot. The way he is doing business goes against the norm and is actually quite refreshing. Lot's of straight talk which will shock people as they won't know what to do with themselves because of this politician actually telling the truth and not breaking promises like all the establishment bozos. 

Today, Trump was having meetings with Pharmaceutical Executives and he was basically ordering them that medications must be cheaper. Talk about bull by the horns. 
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Haven't heard from JT in a few days.

Migration ban musta pushed him over the edge?

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mouflonrouge - 1 Feb 2017 9:48 AM
I actually like Trump a lot.... Lot's of straight talk 
At around 1:45 (although the whole lot is a very clever)




The strength of conservatism is the repression of knowledge

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Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 6:16 PM
vanlassen - 31 Jan 2017 11:47 AM

Jesus, this entire post is a disaster.

Speaking of the real world, have you ever run a small business? Regulations (anti-monopoly and diversified public contract laws are just a couple of examples) are often critical in protecting those businesses.

This idea that all regulations are bad, or inherently anti-business, is absurd. Indeed, if anything is "political point-scoring", it's signing an executive order that irrationally prevents a government from doing its job.

I doubt you have ever worked in a small business if you think the current level of regulations is good for business. You don't strike me as a particularly intelligent person as you take everything I post to the most extreme element.

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Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 5:53 PM

vanlassen - 31 Jan 2017 11:47 AM


So you support segregation then? 

Cinemas should be allowed to force their black customers to sit at the back?

Pubs should be allowed to refuse entry to non-whites?

If your answer is yes, then you're scum - if not, then you're an idiot and your argument is stupid.

Jesus Christ this is full retard.

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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 11:31 AM
Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 5:53 PM

Jesus Christ this is full retard.

The principle you're defending is exactly the same. Please just think about it for a minute rather than flipping out.

If bigots are allowed to be bigots, why do you draw the line with racism but not with homophobia?

If private businesses are allowed to run their businesses how they want - justifying homophobic discrimination -  why don't you give private businesses the same freedom when it comes to racist discrimination? 
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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 11:30 AM
Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 6:16 PM

I doubt you have ever worked in a small business if you think the current level of regulations is good for business. You don't strike me as a particularly intelligent person as you take everything I post to the most extreme element.

I run a couple of small businesses, actually, but that's beside the point.

I'm not going to go for the "let's insult a stranger's intelligence because they disagreed with me on the internet" angle, but your view of govt regulation is depressingly simplistic.
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Why should someone be forced to make a cake for an event of which they strongly disagree with on religious grounds and do not want to be apart of?
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I'm insulting your intelligence because you changed my argument and tried to debate me based on things you said. It seemed idiotic to me.


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JoffaTossa - 1 Feb 2017 11:14 AM
mouflonrouge - 1 Feb 2017 9:48 AM
At around 1:45 (although the whole lot is a very clever)



What's dumb is a non Trump supporter calling a Trump supporter "Dumb as Shit".

That only makes it better for Trump and the reason why all the "Dumb as Shit" people voted for someone that is just different because all the other establishment shit that has been dished out since WW2 has been even more Dumb as Shit, and corrupt too.

Trump is draining the swamp. People won't like it, because the establishment control the media, but soon all the leeches will be flushed through the Washington Sewerage works. 

it's gonna pong like all hell, so just hold your noses but it will all come to pass. 
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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:01 PM
Why should someone be forced to make a cake for an event of which they strongly disagree with on religious grounds and do not want to be apart of?

For the same reason that white cinema/cafe/swimming pool owners in the American south back in the 1960s were rightly forced to serve black customers whom they despised on racial grounds and who might discourage racist white customers from patronising said cinema/cafe/swimming pool.

If religion somehow makes it different (and I don't think it does), would you be ok with a Muslim baker refusing to sell his goods to a Jewish customer?
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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:04 PM
I'm insulting your intelligence because you changed my argument and tried to debate me based on things you said. It seemed idiotic to me.

How mature of you. I didn't change your argument at all.

You argued that Christian bakers had a right to refuse service to gay couples because "bigots have the right to be bigots, private businesses have the right to run their businesses how they want." 

That principle is exactly the same one used to defend racist segregation.
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Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 12:06 PM
vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:01 PM

For the same reason that white cinema/cafe/swimming pool owners in the American south back in the 1960s were rightly forced to serve black customers whom they despised on racial grounds and who might discourage racist white customers from patronising said cinema/cafe/swimming pool.

If religion somehow makes it different (and I don't think it does), would you be ok with a Muslim baker refusing to sell his goods to a Jewish customer?

Let's not exaggerate here.

The bans are not against any particular race or religion. It's motivated by security and a vetting requirement.

Arabs and Muslims are still able to travel to America. Not all Arab Countries are banned and Muslim doesn't even come into it despite the FAKE news. 
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Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 12:08 PM
vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:04 PM

How mature of you. I didn't change your argument at all.

You argued that Christian bakers had a right to refuse service to gay couples because "bigots have the right to be bigots, private businesses have the right to run their businesses how they want." 

That principle is exactly the same one used to defend racist segregation.

You just changed my argument again. The reason why I think you are an idiot is because you are unable to make a coherent point without changing the argument which you are making the point against. You are either an idiot or a troll.

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Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 12:06 PM
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For the same reason that white cinema/cafe/swimming pool owners in the American south back in the 1960s were rightly forced to serve black customers whom they despised on racial grounds and who might discourage racist white customers from patronising said cinema/cafe/swimming pool.

If religion somehow makes it different (and I don't think it does), would you be ok with a Muslim baker refusing to sell his goods to a Jewish customer?

The incident you are referring to wasn't a case of a Christian bakery refusing to serve a gay couple because they were gay. It was a Christian bakery refusing to make a particular cake which contain a script in which the bakers felt was offensive. It's their business and they can conduct their business in the way which they feel is acceptable. They didn't refuse to make the cake, they refused to add the wording on the cake. I don't agree with their point of view or their business practice but I agree with their right to conduct the operation of their business how they see fit. It really does go without saying that there business should be run in accordance with the law but I think you might need me to spell that out for you.

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lol why is it that people point to Jim Jeffries so much when trying to make a point?

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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 11:30 AM
Cappuccino - 31 Jan 2017 6:16 PM

I doubt you have ever worked in a small business if you think the current level of regulations is good for business. You don't strike me as a particularly intelligent person as you take everything I post to the most extreme element.

I work for a small-mid sized companies (30-40 employees) and fair work Australia and its laws have bent us over.

We had a graduate engineer crash a work car doing $3k damage. He is not obligated to pay and we cannot legally withhold his pay. He left the company and refuses to pay us a cent for hitting a tree stump in the car. Typical millennial fuckwit.

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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:01 PM
Why should someone be forced to make a cake for an event of which they strongly disagree with on religious grounds and do not want to be apart of?

Religious grounds is a terrible excuse for being a c*nt.

Sorry but in my view, religion should be free to practice in private, but obsolete in public life.

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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:45 PM
Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 12:06 PM

The incident you are referring to wasn't a case of a Christian bakery refusing to serve a gay couple because they were gay. It was a Christian bakery refusing to make a particular cake which contain a script in which the bakers felt was offensive. It's their business and they can conduct their business in the way which they feel is acceptable. They didn't refuse to make the cake, they refused to add the wording on the cake. I don't agree with their point of view or their business practice but I agree with their right to conduct the operation of their business how they see fit. It really does go without saying that there business should be run in accordance with the law but I think you might need me to spell that out for you.

Ok, let's take a more specific example.

Do you think a baker should be allowed to refuse to make a wedding cake for an interracial couple, because his views/religion are against miscegenation?

(It also does come down to denial of service - the gay couple aren't there to buy a chocolate eclair, they're there to buy a wedding cake, and that service is being refused to them because it would involve the baker writing stuff that triggers their religious sensibilities)
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Also, really, is it that difficult to have a measured and polite discussion about something?

Surely you can have a discussion on the internet without resorting to insulting my intelligence/being condescending/calling me a troll. 

This is why ET has gone to shit.
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Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 1:33 PM
vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 12:45 PM

Ok, let's take a more specific example.

Do you think a baker should be allowed to refuse to make a wedding cake for an interracial couple, because his views/religion are against miscegenation?

(It also does come down to denial of service - the gay couple aren't there to buy a chocolate eclair, they're there to buy a wedding cake, and that service is being refused to them because it would involve the baker writing stuff that triggers their religious sensibilities)

I agree with this.

It pains me that freedom of religion seems to incorporate the right to impart your religion on others. The couple wanted a wedding cake not a bloody lecture.

If this is the case, I should be able to refrain from working for Christians who believe the earth is only 40,000 years old because i'm offended that people could hold such unsubstantiated beliefs.

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vanlassen - 1 Feb 2017 11:30 AM

I work for a small-mid sized companies (30-40 employees) and fair work Australia and its laws have bent us over.

We had a graduate engineer crash a work car doing $3k damage. He is not obligated to pay and we cannot legally withhold his pay. He left the company and refuses to pay us a cent for hitting a tree stump in the car. Typical millennial fuckwit.

If your company doesn't carry insurance for this sort of thing then they are the "fuckwits" as you so charmingly put it.





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Cappuccino - 1 Feb 2017 1:37 PM
Also, really, is it that difficult to have a measured and polite discussion about something?

Surely you can have a discussion on the internet without resorting to insulting my intelligence/being condescending/calling me a troll. 

This is why ET has gone to shit.

This.  And posters like the gent above who I'm sure must be the least empathetic person in Australia.


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Munrubenmuz - 1 Feb 2017 2:03 PM
BETHFC - 1 Feb 2017 1:23 PM

If your company doesn't carry insurance for this sort of thing then they are the "fuckwits" as you so charmingly put it.



Under 25 excess, standard excesses.

We're still out of pocket fully insured.

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