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  • Cronulla's Endeavou Field could soon be home to an A-League club. (Getty Images)
Critics accusing Football South Coast of "ssellling out" by supporting the Southern Expansion A-League bid have no idea, says Football South Coast chairman Eddy De Gabriele.
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7 MAR 2017 - 10:08 PM  UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

De Gabriele has moved to clarify FSC's position since it  was revealed on Monday the association was backing the new Sydney based Southern Expansion group's bid to gain admission to the A-League. 

He said that didn't change the fact FSC was also backing the stand-alone bid by the Wollongong Wolves club and that the association had deliberately avoided locking itself into any exclusivity agreements with either group.

South Coast shouldn't accept expansion bid 'crumbs', says Wolves CEO
The Wollongong Wolves would give the South Coast genuine representation in an expanded A-League, rather than the few "crumbs" the newly-announced southern Sydney bid can offer, Wolves CEO Chris Papkosmas says.

"It's a two-horse race here and if there is an A-League licence going to be issued for southern Sydney or Wollongong then we're going to be associated with it, " De Gabriele told The World Game. "That's the beauty of the approach we're taking - if there is a winner, then we'll be backing it."

De Gabriele was not concerned with criticism FSC was hedging its bets.

"Oh, they've started already, 'selling out the region' and that sort of stuff, but that's OK," he said.

"They don't know the full story and when you're giving out information it's sometimes hard to cover everything off and make the picture totally clear.

"We haven't gone with one bid at the expense of the other and (Wolves CEO) Chris Papakosmas has himself made it clear publicly that we're supporting both bids."

De Gabriele said that at the end of the day FFA was going to make its own decision on what it thought was best for the game anyway and that if expansion went ahead FSC had a duty to its clubs, players and the region to best position itself.

"I could stand up and says it's stand alone until I die and they could say 'OK, good luck to you guys, we might consider you in another five years' time'," he said.

Expansion criteria delay a 'disgrace' for promising youngsters
One of the driving forces behind the Sunshine Coast expansion bid has labelled Football Federation Australia's expansion criteria delay 'disgraceful'.

"There are two bids and they can't both make it. It's up to both of them to impress FFA when the time comes for expansion, so we'll let them fight it out. We're being up-front in that we don't want to miss out. If the area gains representation, then we've guaranteed we've backed the winner.

"If it's stand-alone, we get exposure. If it's the southern corridor, FSC is still tied in and we've got a good rapport with both Sutherland Shire and St George."

The Sutherland Shire and St George associations are also backing the Southern Expansion bid.

De Gabriele said the memorandum of understanding FSC had signed with Southern Expansion was non-exclusive, the same as the MOU it signed more than a year ago with the previous management of the Wolves but which still stands.

"If A-League football is going to be in this region and FFA decide on a hybrid model, then we don't want to be excluded as a football association for our kids," he said.

"We're supporting the Southern Expansion bid because we were impressed by what they showed us and we told the Wolves 13 months ago that we'd support their bid as long as it had financial sustainability and could show the necessary evidence of financial support when the time comes."

De Gabriele said FSC was not prepared to support just any bid and that if they thought the quality of a bid was poor they wouldn't back it.

FFA has delayed the release of expansion criteria for interested bids, but season 2018-2019 is still in the frame for the possible addition of two clubs.

De Gabriele said Southern Expansion did not push FSC for an exclusivity agreement.

"They never asked that of us and they fully understood our position," he said.

"When someone wants exclusivity in a situation like this it means they're not that confident, but that hasn't happened in either of the groups so far, I've got to say.

"Our interest is in what is best for the community, football-wise, and that is to have the south coast represented in the A-League, W-League and national Youth League.

"At this stage we know more about the Southern Expansion bid simply because of the way things have unfolded. They detailed their vision and their plan and have demonstrated their financial strength.

Southern Sydney A-League bid 'impossible to resist'
The high-profile consortium behind the multi-million dollar Chinese-backed bid for a southern Sydney A-League "super club" believe Football Federation Australia will find their case impossible to refuse.

"If at the right time the Wolves want to get some sort of support from Football South Coast to present in a letter or submission to FFA, they will have to come to us with the business model and we'll of course sign a non-disclosure agreement.

"But there's no need for that at this stage. There's no criteria, no bid process. I'm sure when the process starts we'll receive more presentations from both the Wolves and the new group.

"We want to be sure about longevity. We don't want to risk being involved in something that lasts for three years and then it's gone."


We haven't 'sold out', Football South Coast boss tells critics | : The World Game


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Midfielder - 7 Mar 2017 2:56 PM
Campbelltown IMO is the next logical place to put the next Sydney team... massive growth area and the Wests Tigers play only 4 games a year .. a nice stadium next to a railway station and close to major roads... 

The Southern bid will effect SFC and to deny this by the bid folk is well I think outright lying ...

the south western corridor is set for massive population numbers as is just as close to the gong as  in fact according to google maps ... the gong to Cronulla is 1 hr 1 mim .. the gong to Campbelltown is 47 mins...

For me the answer is obvious where the next Sydney team should go.

Start at Cambelltown - and maybe have an Academy and training fields there but I think if Red Bull are going to build a stadium that Liverpool on the Woodward Park site would be the place. The whole area from Liverpool west to Wallacia south to Mowbray Park, east to Wilton and back to Liverpool is slated for huge growth and infrastructure.      

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Start at Cambelltown - and maybe have an Academy and training fields there but I think if Red Bull are going to build a stadium that Liverpool on the Woodward Park site would be the place. The whole area from Liverpool west to Wallacia south to Mowbray Park, east to Wilton and back to Liverpool is slated for huge growth and infrastructure.      

Red Bull couldn't build a private stadium on a Public Reserve so Woodward Park is out.  The only location I can think of for a private stadium is the Hurlstone Agricultural College farm at Glenfield.  The college is being moved to Richmond and the Government intends to use the land for selected community purposes and housing.  Red Bull could buy a portion of the land a few hundred metres from Glenfield Station.  Its a great location transport wise.  Direct line to the east, Sydney Airport and the city.  Direct line north to Liverpool, Parramatta and the city.  Direct line south to Campbelltown.  Direct line west to Leppington which is to be extended to the new airport and Camden in the future.  Within 5 minutes of the freeways/motorways north, south and east.  Not good for restaurants, pubs etc.
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Gyfox - 8 Mar 2017 11:47 AM
patjennings - 8 Mar 2017 1:17 AM

Red Bull couldn't build a private stadium on a Public Reserve so Woodward Park is out.  The only location I can think of for a private stadium is the Hurlstone Agricultural College farm at Glenfield.  The college is being moved to Richmond and the Government intends to use the land for selected community purposes and housing.  Red Bull could buy a portion of the land which is a few hundred metres of Glenfield Station.  Its a great location transport wise.  Direct line to the east, Sydney Airport and the city.  Direct line north to Liverpool, Parramatta and the city.  Direct line south to Campbelltown.  Direct line west to Leppington which is to be extended to the new airport and Camden in the future.  Within 5 minutes of the freeways/motorways north, south and east.  Not good for restaurants, pubs etc.

That sounds like a great spot. With the area growing pubs and restaurants would follow you would think.

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dirkvanadidas - 7 Mar 2017 9:12 PM
I take it foz has changed his mind on overseas ownership and is now biting the pillow.

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I would do something like this with a green and yellow kit



its easy for kids to draw. 

Cruzeiro already use just the southern cross

Image result for kit  football cruzeiro

This is marketing genius. It embodies FFAs mission statement of alienating eurosnobs and embracing Australian AFL and rugby fans who might be getting curious about the round ball. Said fans can relate to the general patriotism of the club. Like a wallabies or a socceroos , but in the hal. 

And true, super easy to draw. Would make a great tatt too. 
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Australis FC is a worse name than Brisbane Roar or Real Salt Lake.


(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE

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And you HAVE sold out SC Football. This will guarantee we will never see the Wolves back in the top flight.

(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE

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sydneyfc1987 - 8 Mar 2017 12:51 PM
Australis FC is a worse name than Brisbane Roar or Real Salt Lake.

No way. Its up there with Geelong Patriots. 

H8rs gon h8.
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sydneyfc1987 - 8 Mar 2017 12:53 PM
And you HAVE sold out SC Football. This will guarantee we will never see the Wolves back in the top flight.

This.
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get some more blue strips in, only six A-League teams already have blue in their kit
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alvn1 - 8 Mar 2017 12:58 PM
get some more blue strips in, only six A-League teams already have blue in their kit

So? Our flag is blue! 

Un-Australis! 
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bigpoppa - 7 Mar 2017 7:40 PM

I would do something like this with a green and yellow kit



its easy for kids to draw. 

Cruzeiro already use just the southern cross

Image result for kit  football cruzeiro

Here you go mate..

image post

Home Kit
screen shot on pc

Away Kit
upload an image



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that looks mint
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I never, ever said I backed the 3 stadium idea. Bro, I don't even back the combined team. I back a single Wollongong bid which is 1 stadium. You have missed my whole point and now I'm questioning your understanding of my belief on this topic.

Anyway, there is no doubt the combined team would have support. But most wouldn't be behind it like we would be behind a Wollongong side on its own. A combined side does not feel like "my" team... I dont consder myself a "Sydneysider" and Wollongong and Southern Sydney are completely different areas. And your argument about Manly people is exactly my point. They don't "relate" but only support Sydney FC because its the only team to follow. If there was a North Sydney side do you honestly think they would support Sydney FC?

First of all im well aware that you are for a wollongong only bid. That much was made very clear. I was only replying in relation to the option of 3 areas playing in 1 stadium compared to 3, and how you mentioned that 1 stadium would be dumb option... There was no option for wollongong only.

Secondly, if the A-league only has room for 2 clubs they need to take the absolute best option available that will likely grow out into bigger clubs that represent a bigger area. Hence why the combo of 3 different associations will work. Sure it wont for a few Wolves Die hards, but it will for all the others. Just like it does for people in Manly following Syd FC. It's not as if those people have decided not to follow A-league because Manly United aren't in the comp. So by saying "They don't "relate" but only support Sydney FC because its the only team to follow. If there was a North Sydney side do you honestly think they would support Sydney FC?" that answers my point very clearly. Yes people from Manly support a team that represents a larger area, and thus Sydney fc can rely on support from a wide ranging net, which results in being the second most attended team in the comp (historically). So taking that theory it can replicate very well for the Southern Sydney bid.

Also having listened to both Craig Foster and Les Murray speak on the Wolrd Game podcast yesterday, im convinced they know what they are doing. Foster wouldn't do it if he didn't think they could get the grassroots support. They will likely be a major success, even if some people from the gong will not necessarily follow them, others from the area will.
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alvn1 - 8 Mar 2017 12:58 PM
get some more blue strips in, only six A-League teams already have blue in their kit

P&R might manage that too

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williamn - 7 Mar 2017 7:15 PM

Just out of genuine curiosity.. what would St.George areas identity be? is it the same as Sutherland?

My own personal thinking is if I was to design a kit/logo for a new South Sydney club it would be somewhat in the form of beach/water or ships(referencing Captain Cook/Endeavour) but to be honest other than St.George Cross or a Dragon I cant think of much else for St.George, is there something that can be intertwined? would a ship cover St.George aswell?
 

Captain Cook has history in all three areas, before landing at Kurnell in Stingray (Botany) Bay he tried to land at Bulli.

Also George Bass was one of the first to explore all three areas by boat on the Tom Thumb (Reliance) which also lead to settlement of both Bankstown from his exploration up the Georges River.

All three areas were occupied by the Tharawal people.
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Captain Cook has history in all three areas, before landing at Kurnell in Stingray (Botany) Bay he tried to land at Bulli.

Also George Bass was one of the first to explore all three areas by boat on the Tom Thumb (Reliance) which also lead to settlement of both Bankstown from his exploration up the Georges River.

All three areas were occupied by the Tharawal people.

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@big

Looks good.
Not totally in love with the away kit but that is my personal preference. I wouldn't want a Socceroos replica either which you have stayed away from.

White is an easy option but also you could have the same kit as the home kit just with a lighter green (with the same yellow/good).

Perhaps something like the light green on this kit



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This.



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Great prospect this new franchise.
They're looking at the big picture, geographically in an uncaptured area and capacity to grow the game to mainstream. Terrific. Quite the opposite of say, SM Hellas.

In a resort somewhere

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I enjoyed this opinion on the bid


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scott21 - 8 Mar 2017 7:19 PM
I enjoyed this opinion on the bid

The all important butthurt metric.
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Penetration by this team will cause butthurt. That's what we want, resistance. You don't want someone coming in your area and not resist, otherwise you won't get the same feeling when they enter.
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scott21 - 8 Mar 2017 4:49 PM
@big

Looks good.
Not totally in love with the away kit but that is my personal preference. I wouldn't want a Socceroos replica either which you have stayed away from.

White is an easy option but also you could have the same kit as the home kit just with a lighter green (with the same yellow/good).

Perhaps something like the light green on this kit



Definitely tried to avoid the NT kit. Light green could work with the dark green trim aswell.
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Yeah. Personally I would keep your home and use light green and perhaps light yellow too. But keep the gold for the home. Also something like these socks (and colours) for the away kit



They would all probably look good in any combination though.
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First of all im well aware that you are for a wollongong only bid. That much was made very clear. I was only replying in relation to the option of 3 areas playing in 1 stadium compared to 3, and how you mentioned that 1 stadium would be dumb option... There was no option for wollongong only.

Secondly, if the A-league only has room for 2 clubs they need to take the absolute best option available that will likely grow out into bigger clubs that represent a bigger area. Hence why the combo of 3 different associations will work. Sure it wont for a few Wolves Die hards, but it will for all the others. Just like it does for people in Manly following Syd FC. It's not as if those people have decided not to follow A-league because Manly United aren't in the comp. So by saying "They don't "relate" but only support Sydney FC because its the only team to follow. If there was a North Sydney side do you honestly think they would support Sydney FC?" that answers my point very clearly. Yes people from Manly support a team that represents a larger area, and thus Sydney fc can rely on support from a wide ranging net, which results in being the second most attended team in the comp (historically). So taking that theory it can replicate very well for the Southern Sydney bid.

Also having listened to both Craig Foster and Les Murray speak on the Wolrd Game podcast yesterday, im convinced they know what they are doing. Foster wouldn't do it if he didn't think they could get the grassroots support. They will likely be a major success, even if some people from the gong will not necessarily follow them, others from the area will.

Yeah but a person in Manly probably still identifies as being from "Sydney", whereas a person in Wollongong is much less likely to identify as being from "Southern Sydney" 
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That's why "Australis" has got it covered.
It means southern which all three areas can relate and doesn't alienate any fans by using "Sydney" in its name.
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