How will Tier 2 positively effect the HAL ?

I contend, without P&R, it will become a competitor.

Exactly, if we're saying it's about $10-15K per away game in travel costs a 12 team comp will cost about $150K in travel costs.  That's all these clubs need to cover compared to now.  They can pay the same wages for the same players if they want, or get a sponsor/benefactor on board willing to splash some cash and pay for some ex-AL older OS players.

The FFA could even chuck in $2M odd just to cover the travel costs for the whole of the 2nd Div, similar to the way they cover the AL wages for all AL clubs to the tune of about $25M (afaik).

Well, the better NPL players will be concentrated in one league and could be a place to shop for the AL.

This probably works best if there's transfer fees, otherwise 2nd Div clubs will just be pissed off losing all their better players for nought.

If FFA oppose all this,they must have an alternate plan.Otherwise they will look like idiots...

that face gets me every time :lol:

Yep ive said this heaps before too. Just like they are now - unlinked - and in opposition with one another.

The framework and timeline needs to be set now,  with these new talks. 

In my opinion it will spark renewed interest, which should see a marginal increase in A League interest and crowds. It's all speculation of course which there is no way I can prove.

It should also raise the standard and be a rich recruitment ground for A League teams. But for it to be fair, NPLA Teams should benefit from transfer fees. 

The only way to know for sure, is to see what happens when NPLA is inaugurated. 

Yes agreed, the time has come to put this myth to bed.

Will the NPL clubs stick to a Winter season?

I'm surprised how few are willing to acknowledge this real possibility.  We still don't know how the FFA will react.  We've had a hint that they've already started lobbying behind the scenes to quash the whole idea.

If it ends up being a battle between the FFA and what are really a bunch of ex-NSL clubs, and the FFA don't concede any ground, then you'd have to think it  could get very ugly.

This is a possibility.  A bunch of ex-NSL clubs are bringing the fight up to the FFA, who may or may not support the idea (I'm talking in-principle support).  Without that, their ability to raise revenue might become restricted (potential sponsors not wishing to deal with a rebel group, government not wishing to deal with a rebel group, broadcasters not wishing to deal with a rebel group, etc)

And you end up with the real possibility of an NSL Mk II.

Seriously? There would only be about 8 odd ex NSL clubs out of 125.

This isn't a grudge match. It's about developing and expanding the sport in this country. 

Lowy and Gallop arent as bulletproof as you think they are. If they can't justify why 99% of the football establishment is excluded, then theyll cop it sweet over a barrel, after we get banned by FIFA. FFA have nothing. Nada. Unless you know something the rest of us dont. 

This shitstorm permeating all levels of the game is already NSL mark II. Keep up.

Without a doubt, it will be a competitor if the FFA don't bring it into the fold, including at some point pro/rel. Without that carrot, the NPLA teams will be gunning for the number one position within the football heirarchy, and without the impediments that FFA put in place for the A League teams, they'll certainly achieve that.

Don't even bother with Mr Football. Once footy season starts he'll be back to BigFooty and we won't hear a peep from him

https://audioboom.com/posts/5713141-rabieh-krayem-national-second-division-push-not-about-power

Tony Ising is 100% correct . I don't want a club like fury representing me. They only represent 3% of Townsville players.

We cant wait for a more representative Townsville. We press on. 

that's a really good question.  it will be interesting to see what path they take it down..

they must be thinking about a 2nd and 3rd tier on top of state leagues: considering the number of clubs involved.  maybe there will be summer in the top leagues and winter below.

Of course move on just don't lock us into a team we don't support

https://audioboom.com/posts/5705588-tony-ising-interview-npl-breakaway

This is my opinion as well Fury represent less than 3% of the players in Townsville. There are players in local clubs that are as good as any in the Fury academy yet they get no opportunity to play for state. No one goes to Fury games. So it's not fair that they ambush the future of the game.
We need to include every club in the game proportional to their membership. And all players elite or not

I don't think Townsville should get a team anyway. I don't like that their guy has become a mouthpiece for the new group. At one point he has said a NorthernAustralia (combining Cairns, Towns and Darwin) would be something he supported.

Townsville could field a good team but not with fury people and I agree not that guy. I think true clubs ie SMH and many more should get promotion. Just give us a chance to form a real club as well, let us succeed on merit and select on ability.If the cowboys can do it in the NRL we can do it too. If you want to help provide us with a system that stops manipulation and dictatorship and encourages ability and results.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/sport/fury-and-nqf-unite-for-npl-bid/news-story/19fab4b4bbbd2c1a3c428b17d6971568

Just putting this out there Krones. Your not having anything forced on you, it is mutual that Fury are now Townsville's pathway club.

If they where our team more than 20 people would go to a game.

At registration put it to a vote if you want the fury to represent us yes or no. The answer will be 5700 no 250 yes.
It's that simple .
The got 300 to sight a partition to keep the fury in the NPL. Absolutely pitiful

I think the question alone highlight where we are at. Lets take a step back and let them have their second meeting. 

I still don't think we are close to an open pyramid.

I hope this league happens then clubs from and perhaps new clubs could make up a 2nd division that is part of the A-League.

Much like aushorts idea, and retain this APL as an eventual 3rd division with no promotion up.


We need an A-League criteria. AFC should enforce a minumim standard IMO on the FFA. Also an eventual criteria for this proposed league. Any future breakup of the league will still hurt some clubs who feel betrayed when they are not selected by the FFA or independent A-League.

Fury knock your boy back?

Yeh and everyone else's boy that's why they can't get anyone to a game. Nothing more pathetic than a football game with no one there. crowds of 20 makes a great atmosphere at a game. Rahbi talking about hard decisions can't let a coach go after 2 years without a win.haha real leadership.Everone in Townsville hates the fury. If you think I'm wrong put it to a vote.

I've no idea of the football landscape in townsville so cant comment.

I just wanted you to clarify your interest in it so people understood. Did you hate Fury prior to them not selecting your boy?

38 seconds of research tells me they have only recently appointed a new coach:

Fury Technical Staff

Technical Director  :  Bill Mitchell
Bill Mitchell was formerly regional development officer with North Queensland football prior to a recent two-year stint at Technical Director of the Wide Bay region.  Bill’s role as Technical Director includes mentoring players and coaches, giving strategic, tactical and technical guidance, and managing talent programs. 
He also leads the club’s scouting network and works closely with the Head Coach of the NPL team, Paul Roncato.
Head Coach, NPL Men  :  Paul Roncato 
Paul Roncato was appointed to the role of Head Coach of the NPL Men's team in February 2017, 10 days out from the start of the 2017 season.
A C-licensed coach, Roncato has played the game for more than 40 years and started coaching junior teams at 15 years of age. He was assistant coach for an U-16 Queensland tour to Germany and he has also played for North Queensland regional and Queensland state teams.
Paul has played with Burdekin, Wulguru and Razorbacks clubs, and still continues to play. He is well-known within the local football fraternity and has worked alongside the State Technical Director, David Abela.