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+x+x+x@ footballkingzTimmy didn't appear in Wellington due to the internationals that weekend and you'd expect Victory/City to be their biggest gate with or without Timmy. Roar marketed the hell out of Timmy coming to town and it worked but overall the guest marquee fund has not had the intended impact. There's more Marquee money next season, so we should see several clubs with big names. Clubs will have seen the boost Tim has given the game, both in the domestic media and overseas interest, and will be capitalising on it. What boost? He's single handedly halted the slide in Memberships, Attendances and Ratings giving us the base on which to lift next season Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year.
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+x+x+x+x@ footballkingzTimmy didn't appear in Wellington due to the internationals that weekend and you'd expect Victory/City to be their biggest gate with or without Timmy. Roar marketed the hell out of Timmy coming to town and it worked but overall the guest marquee fund has not had the intended impact. There's more Marquee money next season, so we should see several clubs with big names. Clubs will have seen the boost Tim has given the game, both in the domestic media and overseas interest, and will be capitalising on it. What boost? He's single handedly halted the slide in Memberships, Attendances and Ratings giving us the base on which to lift next season Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year. Love the use of capital letters for Brand Refresh and Marquees To be fair the lesson learnt if the Marquee Strategy is to be maintained is perhaps focus on netting genuine world stars in their late-twilight Australians had plenty of opportunities to watch Timmy in his heyday playing WCQs and friendlies. Seems a bit much to expect that people not already engaged will flock to A League games in droves for the possibility that Timmy might nod one in.
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"Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year. "
You don't follow the HAL, do you?
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+x"Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year. "You don't follow the HAL, do you? Not in a conventional way
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My stats for HAL averages with easier formatting | A | B | CC | MH | MV | N | P | S | NZK | WP | GC | NQ | WS | | 05/06 | 10947 | 14785 | 7901 | | 14158 | 8863 | 9734 | 16669 | 3989 | | | | | | 06/07 | 12206 | 16465 | 9828 | | 27728 | 11442 | 7671 | 14999 | 3010 | | | | | | 07/08 | 12697 | 16950 | 12338 | | 26061 | 13209 | 7596 | 16373 | | 11681 | | | | | 08/09 | 11712 | 12995 | 10455 | | 24512 | 10007 | 7952 | 12376 | | 7193 | | | | | 09/10 | 10938 | 8585 | 7426 | | 20748 | 6340 | 9209 | 12031 | | 8942 | 5473 | 6573 | | | 10/11 | 11552 | 9279 | 7713 | 8315 | 15238 | 8429 | 8485 | 7650 | | 7980 | 3434 | 4244 | | | 11/12 | 8211 | 13298 | 9566 | 9083 | 18608 | 12088 | 8213 | 11559 | | 8773 | 3290 | | | | 12/13 | 9592 | 13417 | 9921 | 8560 | 21885 | 13388 | 8819 | 18637 | | 6882 | | | 12466 | | 13/14 | 11225 | 14957 | 9398 | 9933 | 21808 | 11949 | 9418 | 18682 | | 8198 | | | 14860 | | 14/15 | 12637 | 11660 | 7578 | 10405 | 25388 | 8961 | 9540 | 17378 | | 8564 | | | 12520 | | 15/16 | 11287 | 12850 | 8111 | 11047 | 23112 | 9577 | 8962 | 16071 | | 8048 | | | 14297 | | 16/17 | 9514 | 13892 | 7412 | 10555 | 22008 | 8645 | 10533 | 16003 | | 6224 | | | 17747 |
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MichaelB
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+x+x+x+x+x@ footballkingzTimmy didn't appear in Wellington due to the internationals that weekend and you'd expect Victory/City to be their biggest gate with or without Timmy. Roar marketed the hell out of Timmy coming to town and it worked but overall the guest marquee fund has not had the intended impact. There's more Marquee money next season, so we should see several clubs with big names. Clubs will have seen the boost Tim has given the game, both in the domestic media and overseas interest, and will be capitalising on it. What boost? He's single handedly halted the slide in Memberships, Attendances and Ratings giving us the base on which to lift next season Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year. Love the use of capital letters for Brand Refresh and Marquees To be fair the lesson learnt if the Marquee Strategy is to be maintained is perhaps focus on netting genuine world stars in their late-twilight Australians had plenty of opportunities to watch Timmy in his heyday playing WCQs and friendlies. Seems a bit much to expect that people not already engaged will flock to A League games in droves for the possibility that Timmy might nod one in. Very good point. I think you are right. With Cahill going to major capital cities most fans have seen him for the Socceroos and he doesn't necessarily bring the big occassion with him. I think he has offered a boost but not in the way Fowler, Yorke and ADP did. More like the way Hesky and Ono did. Question is can we still bring these big names here ? Surely we can work with Sponsors to do it. I remember when the NSL lost many of it's marquee players it also lost alot of interest.
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MCMH
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Cahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media...
City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members.
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+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. Must've included pets because they sure as hell haven't rocked up to many games.
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+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. Must've included pets because they sure as hell haven't rocked up to many games. That's a stupid argument that isn't only faced by City, but others like Victory etc. More members than rocking up to games. I find it a stupid argument as members means guaranteed money... If I'm a full season member they're getting the same amount of my money regardless if I rock up to 1 game or 13...
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"I find it a stupid argument as members means guaranteed money."
Yeah.
Stupid argument. Cos Melbourne Citeh doesn't need crowds, it needs more guaranteed money.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x@ footballkingzTimmy didn't appear in Wellington due to the internationals that weekend and you'd expect Victory/City to be their biggest gate with or without Timmy. Roar marketed the hell out of Timmy coming to town and it worked but overall the guest marquee fund has not had the intended impact. There's more Marquee money next season, so we should see several clubs with big names. Clubs will have seen the boost Tim has given the game, both in the domestic media and overseas interest, and will be capitalising on it. What boost? He's single handedly halted the slide in Memberships, Attendances and Ratings giving us the base on which to lift next season Add the Brand Refresh, the FTA coverage and more Marquees and we'll see a big increase next year. Love the use of capital letters for Brand Refresh and Marquees To be fair the lesson learnt if the Marquee Strategy is to be maintained is perhaps focus on netting genuine world stars in their late-twilight Australians had plenty of opportunities to watch Timmy in his heyday playing WCQs and friendlies. Seems a bit much to expect that people not already engaged will flock to A League games in droves for the possibility that Timmy might nod one in. Very good point. I think you are right. With Cahill going to major capital cities most fans have seen him for the Socceroos and he doesn't necessarily bring the big occassion with him. I think he has offered a boost but not in the way Fowler, Yorke and ADP did. More like the way Hesky and Ono did. Question is can we still bring these big names here ? Surely we can work with Sponsors to do it. I remember when the NSL lost many of it's marquee players it also lost alot of interest. Slim pickings with China/US/Middle East around. Either way the FFA shouldn't be involved in paying for players
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For me there are underlying concerns, the overall trend is down, even MV must be slightly concerned.
Seasonal aberrations based on performance will always occu,r and whilst derbies are a great sugar hit, they are clearly not answer to all of the ills facing the league.
Games drawing above 20k have dropped for the last two seasons from a high of 17 to14.
Games drawing in the 15 to 20k range have dropped from a high of 27 to 16.
Games drawing between 10-15k have dropped from 54 matches to 47.
Whilst games between 5k. & 10k have increased from 46 to 59.
Plenty of reasons and excuses to be found, but the underlying trend is one of softening attendance and apparently waning interest .....action needs to be taken, now!
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+xGreat work and thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread for the season. For me there are underlying concerns, the overall trend is down, even MV must be slightly concerned. Seasonal aberrations based on performance will always occu,r and whilst derbies are a great sugar hit, they are clearly not answer to all of the ills facing the league. Games drawing above 20k have dropped for the last two seasons from a high of 17 to14. Games drawing in the 15 to 20k range have dropped from a high of 27 to 16. Games drawing between 10-15k have dropped from 54 matches to 47. Whilst games between 5k. & 10k have increased from 46 to 59. Plenty of reasons and excuses to be found, but the underlying trend is one of softening attendance and apparently waning interest .....action needs to be taken, now! Geez if there was ever a JoFFA post that summed it up perfectly. Even the desperation in Melbourne Victory's email said it all. 'Plz dont go'.
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Great work and thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread for the season.
Well done & thanks
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+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really.
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+xFor me there are underlying concerns, the overall trend is down, even MV must be slightly concerned. Seasonal aberrations based on performance will always occu,r and whilst derbies are a great sugar hit, they are clearly not answer to all of the ills facing the league. Games drawing above 20k have dropped for the last two seasons from a high of 17 to14. Games drawing in the 15 to 20k range have dropped from a high of 27 to 16. Games drawing between 10-15k have dropped from 54 matches to 47. Whilst games between 5k. & 10k have increased from 46 to 59. Plenty of reasons and excuses to be found, but the underlying trend is one of softening attendance and apparently waning interest .....action needs to be taken, now! Very interesting phenomena here, Joffa.
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+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort....
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+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. Only cost the FFA $500k. Absolute bargain Gallop needs lauding for making it happen. Timmy would have added at least $10m to the TV deal with that opening goal against Victory alone.
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+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh
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+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k,
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+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only<
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Exactly.... Plus you have to spend to earn... How is spending being frown upon in a league breathed of investment. City is tracking well and consistently building
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Sounds like everything is honky dory. I'm just waiting for the day the second tier is opened at AAMI outside of when the Vuck come to play. Maybe I'm a dreamer.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Sounds like everything is honky dory. I'm just waiting for the day the second tier is opened at AAMI outside of when the Vuck come to play. Maybe I'm a dreamer. That's up to City. FFA's investment paid off in Spades
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Sounds like everything is honky dory. I'm just waiting for the day the second tier is opened at AAMI outside of when the Vuck come to play. Maybe I'm a dreamer. What has that got to do with anything? as long as we see continued growth in the AVE crowd outside of the derby and continuing to get over 10k for memberships I'm happy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Sounds like everything is honky dory. I'm just waiting for the day the second tier is opened at AAMI outside of when the Vuck come to play. Maybe I'm a dreamer. I'm sure it'll happen, it's just going to take longer than people expected. City need a constant supply of big name Euro marquees to get it happening, for at least another 5 years. Just like when they had Villa. I think it was around 18k on a Sunday afternoon at AAMI against Newcastle Jets. Crowds died off when he left. Until they build a bigger supporter base they're going to have to bring in the big names.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCahill was greatest for his ability to cut through to mainstream media... City grew from mid 9,000 members to over 13k members. If the City crowds were up I'd agree with you but they weren't. TV ratings are hardly better. Let's say a City membership costs $400 for arguments sake. The extra 4,000 members have brought in an extra $1.6m for the club. What's Timmy on a year, $3m wasn't it? Money would go to the club of course not FFA, so the FFA loses out on their investment really. City crowds were up mate... 15-16: AVE: 11,047 Non Derby AVE: 8,778 16-17: AVE: 10,573 Non Derby AVE: 9,396 up 600 people per game which equates to an 8% rise... Any other club an 8% rise is a great effort.... And how many millions were spent for that 8% rise. Look at it in relative terms. Those 800 people have cost the federation and families millions. But thanks Timmmeh Timmy only cost FFA $500k, Only< TV deal boosted Crowds stabilised, Memberships up Ratings up Bargain Sounds like everything is honky dory. I'm just waiting for the day the second tier is opened at AAMI outside of when the Vuck come to play. Maybe I'm a dreamer. I'm sure it'll happen, it's just going to take longer than people expected. City need a constant supply of big name Euro marquees to get it happening, for at least another 5 years. Just like when they had Villa. I think it was around 18k on a Sunday afternoon at AAMI against Newcastle Jets. Crowds died off when he left. Until they build a bigger supporter base they're going to have to bring in the big names. So we can come to a consensus that it did not work be it Villa or Cahill that once the player leaves, as do the crowds and that marquee player, whilst having an initial impact are to shallow to maintain sustained growth. Gotcha.
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Need a constant supply of at least 4 or 5 marquees so that most games on any weekend include marquee signings.
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What type of crowd is expected up in Brisbane tomorrow night?
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