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Yeah UBS has advised either a new deal includes new additional content for no extra cost or Nine should walk away. Nine have previously said big bash needs to be included in the one deal too.
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+x+xThe FFA were stupid by not accepting its ratings figures. The smart approach would have been to grow them. Whether by force by putting on the better games, or by not capping the quality. Or whether a gradual approach by improving the figures each year The 'quality' of the product is virtually unimportant. It's the popularity of the product that is important. If you look at the big bash cricket, from a quality perspective it's inferior to the Indian Premier League or the defunct Champions League Twenty/20, which both pay higher salaries and attract more higher rated players and teams. If you look at the AFL the spectator product is nowhere near as attractive as it was 20 years ago (from what I hear in the media, and my own perspective from watching a few matches in the last few years and having watched regularly 20-30 years ago). Yet both those sports are rating their socks off. Better players and a higher standard of match play doesn't necessarily equal higher ratings. It's the popularity of the sport that drives ratings. Higher ratings are driven mostly by hype, marketing, cross promotion etc. which leads to people starting to follow a team and then those team allegiances also increase ratings. I agree that putting on the Saturday night derby games and showing off the crowd atmosphere will increase interest in the league overall and this must be done in the FTA deal. I agree that popularity is everything. As I have often said, its the 80/20 rule The majority of the interest in our game will be driven by 20% of the game. This is the big teams, big players and derbies The FFA spend too much resources trying to keep people interested in a round 25 or 26 Sunday afternoon game. 70% of the best players aren't in the top 3 teams When the FFA cap quality, they drive the value of the big teams downwards. You can pretty much rule out SFC or MV winning a title next season. What does that do for the popularity of the league?
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^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously.
Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week.
Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV.
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I think about half of the TV value for the ARU came from overseas.
Football fans have a hope that this might one day be possible for the A-League, but with club rugby, you have two big leagues, and Super Rugby is one of those.
With Football, there's just too much competition for anyone outside of Australia to ever have enough interest to actually pay money for rights.
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no wonder the value of FTA channels are dropping when you have trash such as "I'm a celebrity get me out here" and "marriage at first sight." even the AFL was put on 7mate the other night in Melbourne because of a cooking show. that's unprecedented.
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+xWith Football, there's just too much competition for anyone outside of Australia to ever have enough interest to actually pay money for rights. They already do pay for rights. Not big but it happens. We also have things like ACL - for example Brisbane Roar's ACL play off had a larger world wide audience (outside of Aus) than the AFL grand Final
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+x^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously. Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week. Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV. The cricket deal is difficult because cricket Australia has made it so. At one point in time test cricket was the backbone of Channel nine. I know from reading interviews with Kerry Packer on the subject that he would do everything possible to keep test cricket on channel nine, at all costs. This is no longer the case and that is partly because cricket Australia has bastardized cricket with different forms of the game. The first transformation was with World Series of Cricket and the next was with T/20 cricket. The simple fact of the matter is that T/20 is becoming more popular than test cricket. There is simply no appetite for test cricket. Not to the tune of losing 40M a year on securing the rights. Luckily for cricket they will ride the T/20 gravy train for a while and this is where they will make their money from in future.
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+x+x^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously. Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week. Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV. The cricket deal is difficult because cricket Australia has made it so. At one point in time test cricket was the backbone of Channel nine. I know from reading interviews with Kerry Packer on the subject that he would do everything possible to keep test cricket on channel nine, at all costs. This is no longer the case and that is partly because cricket Australia has bastardized cricket with different forms of the game. The first transformation was with World Series of Cricket and the next was with T/20 cricket. The simple fact of the matter is that T/20 is becoming more popular than test cricket. There is simply no appetite for test cricket. Not to the tune of losing 40M a year on securing the rights. Luckily for cricket they will ride the T/20 gravy train for a while and this is where they will make their money from in future. I agree 100% with your post .... in fact before the BBL Football was hurting cricket in Australia as it was in India... I recall reading the BB format took off in India and those that funded it one of their key reasons was to protect cricket from especially the EPL which at the time had massive TV audiences and India was at the time the nation with the highest number of people watching the world Cup. The Indians identified that a 5 day format was getting harder to sell, and ODI were becoming to set in how they operated. I maybe proven to be incorrect, but my gut tells me BBL will struggle to hold its existing audience share over time as its too much of the same. I also think Football is nearing closer to its next jump [very close to the next jump IMO] ... Many issues today I believe over the next few months will be finalised ... hopefully a change in leadership follows which will speed things up a tad. IMO Lowy must go within 12 months and Gallop HHHHHmmmm over time but if he stays for another 12 to 18 months I am not that fussed.
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+x+xWith Football, there's just too much competition for anyone outside of Australia to ever have enough interest to actually pay money for rights. They already do pay for rights. Not big but it happens. We also have things like ACL - for example Brisbane Roar's ACL play off had a larger world wide audience (outside of Aus) than the AFL grand Final Last I heard, the A-League's overseas rights were worth about $1 mill per annum. As for the ACL, we now have a solid decade of experience, and unless you're making the last four of the competition, it costs clubs to compete in it.
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+x+x+x^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously. Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week. Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV. The cricket deal is difficult because cricket Australia has made it so. At one point in time test cricket was the backbone of Channel nine. I know from reading interviews with Kerry Packer on the subject that he would do everything possible to keep test cricket on channel nine, at all costs. This is no longer the case and that is partly because cricket Australia has bastardized cricket with different forms of the game. The first transformation was with World Series of Cricket and the next was with T/20 cricket. The simple fact of the matter is that T/20 is becoming more popular than test cricket. There is simply no appetite for test cricket. Not to the tune of losing 40M a year on securing the rights. Luckily for cricket they will ride the T/20 gravy train for a while and this is where they will make their money from in future. I maybe proven to be incorrect, but my gut tells me BBL will struggle to hold its existing audience share over time as its too much of the same. we hope it doesn't. i think its a shit product that people will get bored with over time. But as i said above re the shit quality of shows on TV, this type of trash appeals to TV audiences... perfect for people with short attention spans (ie. kids).
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+x+x^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously. Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week. Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV. The simple fact of the matter is that T/20 is becoming more popular than test cricket. There is simply no appetite for test cricket. And it is hard to see Test cricket coming back. Traditionalists are the only ones that still really follow it. The new generation of fans won't follow it like previous ones did. I am a fan of test cricket, but can see that days for a sporting match (that night not even get a result) in 2017 is ludicrous.
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Not fucking using my Taxes to prop up a private business venture I'm going to write a letter to the lead singer of Echo and the Bunnymen.
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Can't wait to see who is on the half time ABC panel. Hopefully we can get the latest master of shenanigans on. -PB
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If that's the case, Foxtel will pay over the odds for that too. Still... Sport on free to air used to be a premium. Now there are so many FTA channels its not even funny. Bit suprising Nine losing 40 million a year for cricket. Nine was losing 30 million a year with NRL.
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Cricket is walking a fine line in my opinion.
They're not far from a crossroads of choosing between leaving the BBL as it is and risk it going stale or expanding and then killing the traditional format by overlapping too much. Their are already arguments from traditionalists that their is too much short form and it's affecting players ability to compete at the long form.
Maybe they could look at a second BBL run concurrently and then have promotion and relegation 🤔
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+xno wonder the value of FTA channels are dropping when you have trash such as "I'm a celebrity get me out here" and "marriage at first sight." even the AFL was put on 7mate the other night in Melbourne because of a cooking show. that's unprecedented. and it lost to the AFL game on 7mate in Melbourne. Lesson learnt i think.
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+x+xno wonder the value of FTA channels are dropping when you have trash such as "I'm a celebrity get me out here" and "marriage at first sight." even the AFL was put on 7mate the other night in Melbourne because of a cooking show. that's unprecedented. and it lost to the AFL game on 7mate in Melbourne. Lesson learnt i think. Maybe they made a national decision for the sake of their advertisers.I am guessing the cooking show rated higher across the country than the AFL did.
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Interesting that the AFL's big war marketing hoo haa game yesterday had 549,000 melbourne metro watching but just the 42,000 in sydney and just 38,000 in brisbane - and on main channels with massive publicity. More people outside of Melbourne watched Mash repeats, Octonauts and Peter Rabbit on channel 2.
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+x+x+xno wonder the value of FTA channels are dropping when you have trash such as "I'm a celebrity get me out here" and "marriage at first sight." even the AFL was put on 7mate the other night in Melbourne because of a cooking show. that's unprecedented. and it lost to the AFL game on 7mate in Melbourne. Lesson learnt i think. Maybe they made a national decision for the sake of their advertisers.I am guessing the cooking show rated higher across the country than the AFL did. They are usually prepared to mix the channels up for AFL. Perth generally has games on 7mate when its main channel elsewhere due to time difference.
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Test cricket was always going to be facing an uphill battle due to the success of the BBL. Generations have changed, kids aren't going to be interested in watching 5 days of solid cricket. I can't stand the BBL but I can see how cricket loving families can easily take their kids along, all the novelty shit that kids like can keep them entertained, even if they aren't overly keen on cricket. I feel sorry for the cricket purists, but that's just the way it is.
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+x+x+x+xno wonder the value of FTA channels are dropping when you have trash such as "I'm a celebrity get me out here" and "marriage at first sight." even the AFL was put on 7mate the other night in Melbourne because of a cooking show. that's unprecedented. and it lost to the AFL game on 7mate in Melbourne. Lesson learnt i think. Maybe they made a national decision for the sake of their advertisers.I am guessing the cooking show rated higher across the country than the AFL did. They are usually prepared to mix the channels up for AFL. Perth generally has games on 7mate when its main channel elsewhere due to time difference. Yeah sure, but could be things like advertisers pay more for that show than AFL and they demand it to be on main channel.
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+x+x+xThe FFA were stupid by not accepting its ratings figures. The smart approach would have been to grow them. Whether by force by putting on the better games, or by not capping the quality. Or whether a gradual approach by improving the figures each year The 'quality' of the product is virtually unimportant. It's the popularity of the product that is important. If you look at the big bash cricket, from a quality perspective it's inferior to the Indian Premier League or the defunct Champions League Twenty/20, which both pay higher salaries and attract more higher rated players and teams. If you look at the AFL the spectator product is nowhere near as attractive as it was 20 years ago (from what I hear in the media, and my own perspective from watching a few matches in the last few years and having watched regularly 20-30 years ago). Yet both those sports are rating their socks off. Better players and a higher standard of match play doesn't necessarily equal higher ratings. It's the popularity of the sport that drives ratings. Higher ratings are driven mostly by hype, marketing, cross promotion etc. which leads to people starting to follow a team and then those team allegiances also increase ratings. I agree that putting on the Saturday night derby games and showing off the crowd atmosphere will increase interest in the league overall and this must be done in the FTA deal. I agree that popularity is everything. As I have often said, its the 80/20 rule The majority of the interest in our game will be driven by 20% of the game. This is the big teams, big players and derbies The FFA spend too much resources trying to keep people interested in a round 25 or 26 Sunday afternoon game. 70% of the best players aren't in the top 3 teams When the FFA cap quality, they drive the value of the big teams downwards. You can pretty much rule out SFC or MV winning a title next season. What does that do for the popularity of the league? Hah! I love how you agree with him, especially this nugget of information: Higher ratings are driven mostly by hype, marketing, cross promotion etc. which leads to people starting to follow a team and then those team allegiances also increase ratings.
Now maybe you realise how vital it is/was for our game to be on a big FTA channel rather than SBS. Previously I made the point absolutely crystal clear as to the importance of cross promotion, larger marketing budgets and the ability to get the game front and centre of so may more people rather than hidden away on small channels like SBS 2.
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+xInteresting that the AFL's big war marketing hoo haa game yesterday had 549,000 melbourne metro watching but just the 42,000 in sydney and just 38,000 in brisbane - and on main channels with massive publicity. More people outside of Melbourne watched Mash repeats, Octonauts and Peter Rabbit on channel 2. Sydney and Melbourne AFL broadcasts were on 7mate. This isnt interesting, this is every week.
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+x+x+x+xThe FFA were stupid by not accepting its ratings figures. The smart approach would have been to grow them. Whether by force by putting on the better games, or by not capping the quality. Or whether a gradual approach by improving the figures each year The 'quality' of the product is virtually unimportant. It's the popularity of the product that is important. If you look at the big bash cricket, from a quality perspective it's inferior to the Indian Premier League or the defunct Champions League Twenty/20, which both pay higher salaries and attract more higher rated players and teams. If you look at the AFL the spectator product is nowhere near as attractive as it was 20 years ago (from what I hear in the media, and my own perspective from watching a few matches in the last few years and having watched regularly 20-30 years ago). Yet both those sports are rating their socks off. Better players and a higher standard of match play doesn't necessarily equal higher ratings. It's the popularity of the sport that drives ratings. Higher ratings are driven mostly by hype, marketing, cross promotion etc. which leads to people starting to follow a team and then those team allegiances also increase ratings. I agree that putting on the Saturday night derby games and showing off the crowd atmosphere will increase interest in the league overall and this must be done in the FTA deal. I agree that popularity is everything. As I have often said, its the 80/20 rule The majority of the interest in our game will be driven by 20% of the game. This is the big teams, big players and derbies The FFA spend too much resources trying to keep people interested in a round 25 or 26 Sunday afternoon game. 70% of the best players aren't in the top 3 teams When the FFA cap quality, they drive the value of the big teams downwards. You can pretty much rule out SFC or MV winning a title next season. What does that do for the popularity of the league? Hah! I love how you agree with him, especially this nugget of information: Higher ratings are driven mostly by hype, marketing, cross promotion etc. which leads to people starting to follow a team and then those team allegiances also increase ratings.
Now maybe you realise how vital it is/was for our game to be on a big FTA channel rather than SBS. Previously I made the point absolutely crystal clear as to the importance of cross promotion, larger marketing budgets and the ability to get the game front and centre of so may more people rather than hidden away on small channels like SBS 2. That's just stupid, even for your standards
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You know if the FFA put all their energy into engaging and targeting actual football fans rather than trying to be bigger than the AFL and NRL we wouldn't be in this situation. Always said there is enough football fans in Australia to make it work. There are so many football people that have little to no interest in the A-League and the FFA have tried to go for the AFL and NRL fans instead.
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Will ABC do stupid half time interviews tho
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+xYou know if the FFA put all their energy into engaging and targeting actual football fans rather than trying to be bigger than the AFL and NRL we wouldn't be in this situation. Always said there is enough football fans in Australia to make it work. There are so many football people that have little to no interest in the A-League and the FFA have tried to go for the AFL and NRL fans instead. sounds about right. The A-league needs to grow organically. Still.... The A-league Crowds average is around 12-13,000 a game. A fair bit of those supporters are young families. Another thing that needs to be brought up is the FFA only spend 3 million a year in Advertising and Promotion. Imagine if they spend 5-6 million a year in Advertising and Promoting.
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+xWill ABC do stupid half time interviews tho Easily enough time for Shaun the Sheep
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+x+xOne thing I would like to see and hope would happen (if legal - not sure why it wouldn't be but anyway) if ABC get the rights is cross promotion onto their ABC Kids and ABC ME(the channel for the older kids). Just basics like advertisement for the game to be shown and even players onto some of the programs and segments. Get the brands out there. Forgive me if I am wrong as I don't have stats - but presuming the 5 - 13 age bracket is our largest player base and one of our key target audiences it would be silly not to take advantage of putting the sport and league in kids faces that so many already play. Could set it up like Rage does and instead of musicians/bands have HAL players pop up in their club shirts with a pre recorded introduction to the show thats on next. "Hey kids its Bruno Fornaroli from Melbourne City FC. Up next is Play School... Now get fucked!" Now Imagine Kevin Muscat in Play school? lol While were at it.... Imagine Kevin Muscat taking a selfie with Bananas in Pyjamas? lol
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How long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game.
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