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+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there
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+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years.
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+xIf that's the case, Foxtel will pay over the odds for that too. Still... Sport on free to air used to be a premium. Now there are so many FTA channels its not even funny. Bit suprising Nine losing 40 million a year for cricket. Nine was losing 30 million a year with NRL. Where did 9 say they were loosing 30m a year on NRL? Or you just making it up as you go?
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+x+x+x^^^^^ Further to the cricket / UBS valuation. Goes to show outside AFL & NRL media deals are difficult, my understanding was the last Super Rugby deal the Australian amount paid was about 20% down on what Fox had paid previously. Ten's market capital value has fallen to 170 million with a loss expected to be announced this week. Maybe its time to consider a stream alternative to TV. The cricket deal is difficult because cricket Australia has made it so. At one point in time test cricket was the backbone of Channel nine. I know from reading interviews with Kerry Packer on the subject that he would do everything possible to keep test cricket on channel nine, at all costs. This is no longer the case and that is partly because cricket Australia has bastardized cricket with different forms of the game. The first transformation was with World Series of Cricket and the next was with T/20 cricket. The simple fact of the matter is that T/20 is becoming more popular than test cricket. There is simply no appetite for test cricket. Not to the tune of losing 40M a year on securing the rights. Luckily for cricket they will ride the T/20 gravy train for a while and this is where they will make their money from in future. I agree 100% with your post .... in fact before the BBL Football was hurting cricket in Australia as it was in India... I recall reading the BB format took off in India and those that funded it one of their key reasons was to protect cricket from especially the EPL which at the time had massive TV audiences and India was at the time the nation with the highest number of people watching the world Cup. The Indians identified that a 5 day format was getting harder to sell, and ODI were becoming to set in how they operated. I maybe proven to be incorrect, but my gut tells me BBL will struggle to hold its existing audience share over time as its too much of the same. I also think Football is nearing closer to its next jump [very close to the next jump IMO] ... Many issues today I believe over the next few months will be finalised ... hopefully a change in leadership follows which will speed things up a tad. IMO Lowy must go within 12 months and Gallop HHHHHmmmm over time but if he stays for another 12 to 18 months I am not that fussed. Have to agree with you there mid. I have been saying that the twenty 20 game will go the way of the fifty overs game for a while . By the looks of it ratings and crowds peaked last summer. Will be interested to see next summer how it goes. But it seems cricket is at the crossroads.
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"But it seems cricket is at the crossroads."
Oh I remember when Gallop said something similar.
This year is an Ashes year. Don't get too excited.
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+x+xIf that's the case, Foxtel will pay over the odds for that too. Still... Sport on free to air used to be a premium. Now there are so many FTA channels its not even funny. Bit suprising Nine losing 40 million a year for cricket. Nine was losing 30 million a year with NRL. Where did 9 say they were loosing 30m a year on NRL? Or you just making it up as you go? not making this up, this was back in 2013. May 16 2013 to be exact http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/channel-9-chief-executive-david-gyngell-to-make-call-on-cricket-tv-rights-as-early-as-next-week/news-story/2b68c3a4538c4bda087f137f38b6513b
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Razor Ramon
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+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10.
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+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. I am sorry but just giving the ABC the rights for free is not the way. They might do a better job than 7,9 and 10 but so what. If you give it away it means you don't value the product. I would rather that FTA game go back to Fox than just give it away for free.
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+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. I am sorry but just giving the ABC the rights for free is not the way. They might do a better job than 7,9 and 10 but so what. If you give it away it means you don't value the product. I would rather that FTA game go back to Fox than just give it away for free. Ok but what are the other options? Theres only 2 I can think off.... If by June 30 the A-league cant make a deal with a FTA channel, Foxtel can but it back for 4 million. I rather ABC get it for free or even for peanuts. If ABC can do a job broadcasting the game, why not give it to them? If ABC Saturday night games gets 2-300,000 people watching it live, its still a vast improvement on SBS ratings. The only other option is to Do what local Leagues have done on what I said earlier... The SANFL, WAFL and VFL pay 1 million a year for 7two or 7 mate to show 1 live Saturday arvo game and Finals are included. As stated, 30-40,000 people watch SANFL games in South Australia and 171,000 people watched last years grand final. If this was the A-league, the FFA might have to Give 4-5 million a year to show a Saturday night game on 7two or 7 mate.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. I am sorry but just giving the ABC the rights for free is not the way. They might do a better job than 7,9 and 10 but so what. If you give it away it means you don't value the product. I would rather that FTA game go back to Fox than just give it away for free. Ok but what are the other options? Theres only 2 I can think off.... If by June 30 the A-league cant make a deal with a FTA channel, Foxtel can but it back for 4 million. I rather ABC get it for free or even for peanuts. If ABC can do a job broadcasting the game, why not give it to them? If ABC Saturday night games gets 2-300,000 people watching it live, its still a vast improvement on SBS ratings. The only other option is to Do what local Leagues have done on what I said earlier... The SANFL, WAFL and VFL pay 1 million a year for 7two or 7 mate to show 1 live Saturday arvo game and Finals are included. As stated, 30-40,000 people watch SANFL games in South Australia and 171,000 people watched last years grand final. If this was the A-league, the FFA might have to Give 4-5 million a year to show a Saturday night game on 7two or 7 mate. You accept the best deal you can $$$ and that is fox. Do you really think ABC will get many more viewers than SBS. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Just cut your losses and work on improving the game. Improving the game doesn't mean more stoppages like the VAR was supposed to implement. While fans are tearing their hair out hoping the VAR is not employed, the suits are hoping it gets used every 5 mins. Improving the product means more teams. pro/rel battles on tv, giant killing games on FFA cup games, ACL wins, no salary caps, reducing restrictions on active supporters etc etc etc.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. I am sorry but just giving the ABC the rights for free is not the way. They might do a better job than 7,9 and 10 but so what. If you give it away it means you don't value the product. I would rather that FTA game go back to Fox than just give it away for free. Ok but what are the other options? Theres only 2 I can think off.... If by June 30 the A-league cant make a deal with a FTA channel, Foxtel can but it back for 4 million. I rather ABC get it for free or even for peanuts. If ABC can do a job broadcasting the game, why not give it to them? If ABC Saturday night games gets 2-300,000 people watching it live, its still a vast improvement on SBS ratings. The only other option is to Do what local Leagues have done on what I said earlier... The SANFL, WAFL and VFL pay 1 million a year for 7two or 7 mate to show 1 live Saturday arvo game and Finals are included. As stated, 30-40,000 people watch SANFL games in South Australia and 171,000 people watched last years grand final. If this was the A-league, the FFA might have to Give 4-5 million a year to show a Saturday night game on 7two or 7 mate. You accept the best deal you can $$$ and that is fox. Do you really think ABC will get many more viewers than SBS. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Just cut your losses and work on improving the game. Improving the game doesn't mean more stoppages like the VAR was supposed to implement. While fans are tearing their hair out hoping the VAR is not employed, the suits are hoping it gets used every 5 mins. Improving the product means more teams. pro/rel battles on tv, giant killing games on FFA cup games, ACL wins, no salary caps, reducing restrictions on active supporters etc etc etc. As I said.... Once we expand to 14 teams, thing will change a bit. 7 games a week over 26 rounds means more content to fill up for the weekend meaning Foxtel will Give FFA more $$$. The question is do we give no games on FTA? Or put one game on Saturday night? or get 2-3 games on FTA each week with a Friday night game and Sunday arvo game?
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Out of left field ... TV is dieing and in 10 years its hard to see TV being a major player...
Is it worth going on ABC i.e no ads and all out for a streaming content provider and establishing deep contacts with a streaming provider and encouraging our audience to stream ..
Ten seems on its knees, 9 & 10 already locked in League, AFL, Cricket and Tennis..
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+xOut of left field ... TV is dieing and in 10 years its hard to see TV being a major player... Is it worth going on ABC i.e no ads and all out for a streaming content provider and establishing deep contacts with a streaming provider and encouraging our audience to stream .. Ten seems on its knees, 9 & 10 already locked in League, AFL, Cricket and Tennis.. I think this is why the AFL accepted a six year deal, because it represents the last hoorah for FTA, so the AFL may as well make hay while the sun is still shining (albeit fading by the year). Of the $2.5 billion the AFL will get this next six year period, only $300 mill represents the digital rights. We know Optus didn't bid for the A-League rights, despite putting in a big bid for the Premier League. Bottom line: it's possible that streaming will never be able to deliver the dollars FTA used to deliver, there is a fair bit of uncertainty about this point. The other thing in the mix is that Foxtel can now deliver both satellite TV and streaming because it has become an ISP. Foxtel has effectively merged the two concepts, so it is very well positioned to go with the tide. Even the current FTAs will be able to do the same over the next few years, and the biggest of them will have the capital to continue purchasing live sport IF they can stop pirating of live streams - if that can't be stopped, then there is no commercial value in any live sport.
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+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. if they are now more financially stable why couldnt they now afford the COE?
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+xOut of left field ... TV is dieing and in 10 years its hard to see TV being a major player... Is it worth going on ABC i.e no ads and all out for a streaming content provider and establishing deep contacts with a streaming provider and encouraging our audience to stream ..Ten seems on its knees, 9 & 10 already locked in League, AFL, Cricket and Tennis.. Yeah, give it to ABC for free, but then encourage our audience to NOT watch it on ABC, and hope that our audience instead pays for it via a new digital streaming platform. That'll grow the audience for sure! Vintage Midfielder contribution.
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Maybe Warnie, Tubs and Bozza can host the cricket and sokkah on ABC...more on CA's prickly predicament: PS - Warnie, Tubs and Bozza - sounds like a radio ratings winning line up Cricket's revenue problem is all in its timingIt's the news no one at Cricket Australia ever expected to hear.After raking in riches from commercial television for the past four decades – ever since Kerry Packer bet the family fortune on cricket to fill hours of summer airtime – global investment bank UBS estimates Nine loses $40 million a year televising the sport.Channel Nine urged to drop cricketWith Cricket Australia facing a revenue crisis, analysts have told Nine to walk away from negotiations if the company's price for renewal is too high.The recommendation from UBS cannot be more blunt. It tells Nine Entertainment Co to go get the rights to "more cricket content at no additional cost", which means bundling in the Big Bash League, or make the tough call and "step away from the cricket contract".The thought of a summer without cricket on Nine is anathema to both the network and to legions of cricket fans. The sport is part of Nine's DNA and, after 40 years, a recording of the dulcet tones of the late Richie Benaud still ends each day's broadcast.But it does make for a looming crisis at Cricket Australia, which had banked on a bumper rights deal after the explosion of of the Big Bash Twenty20 competition.The issue isn't that Nine won't bid, but that no one will bid against them.AdvertisementThe last time Cricket Australia went to the market, it netted $500 million from Nine over five years for the Test and one-day rights, and a further $100 million over five years from Ten for the Bag Bash League, thanks to a shrewd piece of business from then Ten boss Russel Howcroft.After five years, the cricket world has flipped on its head.
The Big Bash rights are now conservatively valued at $300 million over the next five-year cycle. The rights to Test and one-day cricket are now valued by UBS at between $30 million to $40 million a year, which equates to less than $200 million.Those numbers show how the Big Bash has cannibalised the cricket market for Test and, in particular, 50-over cricket. But they also reflect the state of the domestic television market, where advertising revenues have been in rapid decline over the past three years.
Sadly for Cricket Australia, the problem is its timing. In the current climate, the AFL and NRL have already sucked much of the money out of the sports rights market with their record deals.Embattled Ten may not be able to raise the capital to make a substantive bid. The market capitalisation of the entire network now stands at not much more than $170 million.
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Ten have just reported a 232 million dollar loss and are reliant on shareholder funding to continue. http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/ten-network-reports-232-million-loss-due-to-licence-impairment-20170427-gvtg66.htmlGoogle head line ... Ten Network reports $232 million loss, says it is reliant on shareholder funding
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+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. if they are now more financially stable why couldnt they now afford the COE? Whats COE?
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Is this good or bad for football?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. if they are now more financially stable why couldnt they now afford the COE? Whats COE? Centre of Excellence
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+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. if they are now more financially stable why couldnt they now afford the COE? Centre of Excellence? You mean the AIS academy? Personally they should be keeping it even if it cost them 1 million a year
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Razor Ramon
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. if they are now more financially stable why couldnt they now afford the COE? Whats COE? Centre of Excellence I am gutted that its going to be shut down, only costs 1 million to run it. That's not a bad deal even if FFA are pulling 50 million in tv rights.
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+xIs this good or bad for football? Personally I don't know.... Would channel 10 go bankrupt? Possibly. If Ten lost 232 million last year, doesn't the FFAs situation one bit. On the other hand, Arent the same owners that partly own 10 are also part owners of foxtel too?
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+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. in all honestly i think all of this is too simplistic. the salary cap was $2.4 million when we had the $19 million a year deal and the salary cap is now $2.5 million in the 4th year of a $40 million a year deal. yes the salary cap will grow by at least 10% next year, but the percentage growth in TV revenue isn't equating to the same percentage of growth in the salary cap (just to compare, it's anticipated that the AFL salary cap will go up by 20% in 2018). the main reason of course is that the FFA and the clubs can't afford it. and it comes down to lack of exposure/marketing/promotion. the ABC won't improve on this exposure. only a commercial FTA station will. handing the rights to ch 9 or 10 for $0 (with a couple of million in contra thrown in) will be better than selling the rights to the ABC for $4 million.
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Doesn't the ABC have a bigger reach than some commercial networks as it is the national broadcaster?I think it is more a problem with advertising.
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As long as FFA decides how much clubs are allocated it doesn't matter which channel it is on. It doesn't affect the onfield stuff. Clubs are given chicken feed.
If clubs (professional football system) received 100% of the money it would matter.
If FFA give the league away to FTA or get paid clubs won't receive anymore money.
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+x+x+x+x+xHow long will it be before the exposure on ABC gets the commercial FTA's interested. Certainly one of the reasons the AFL went with a women's form of their game. depends..... Again I am happy if ABC get the FTA deal for 6 years then slowly grows from there i think another 6 year deal is foolish. if we are going to compromise on the deal minimise the time on it. this is one of the most painful things about the foxtel deal. they shorted us and lock us into a shit deal for 6 years. Depends on how you see it.... Go back to that 2016-13 deal that was worth 19 million a year for 7 years. That was a stupid deal. Foxtel Got a bargain for the A-league and Socceroos package. That deal mean the Socceroos games were the valuable part of that deal. Salary cap for the 2011-12 season was $2.4 million. So 24 million I the cap andonly pulling 19 million in TV rights money made the League unsustainable. Now comes that 2013-17 tv Rights period when I was 160 million a year for 4 years. Actually it was 37 million a year because FFA used 3 million on Advertising. The Salary cap for all 10 teams is $2.6 million or 26 million for all 10 clubs. Now FFA gets 40 million a year from foxtel and SBS. Take away 3 million for Advertising its 37 million left. Take away the 26 million for the players salary cap and there is only 11 million left. Put it simply. The a-league from that 2013-17 period was financially stable because the league didn't spend more than what they made. Now we have a new 6 year deal.... Whats it worth? 57 million a year or 51 million a year? Its at least better than the last tv deal. From now until the next 6 years, The Salary cap will slowly grow by $100,000 a year at the bare minimum. FFA will actually have a spare 5-10 million, possibly 15 million in spare cash a year to spend on Advertising, Grass roots and possibly expansion at the end of the 6 year deal. Foxtel gave us a half decent deal considering 7,9,10 were not going out of their way to get the A-league rights. Let ABC get the Free to Air rights, they will do a better job that 7, 9 and 10. in all honestly i think all of this is too simplistic. the salary cap was $2.4 million when we had the $19 million a year deal and the salary cap is now $2.5 million in the 4th year of a $40 million a year deal. yes the salary cap will grow by at least 10% next year, but the percentage growth in TV revenue isn't equating to the same percentage of growth in the salary cap (just to compare, it's anticipated that the AFL salary cap will go up by 20% in 2018). the main reason of course is that the FFA and the clubs can't afford it. and it comes down to lack of exposure/marketing/promotion. the ABC won't improve on this exposure. only a commercial FTA station will. handing the rights to ch 9 or 10 for $0 (with a couple of million in contra thrown in) will be better than selling the rights to the ABC for $4 million. So you rather take the Risk of handing the rights to 9 or 10 for free then give a few million of actual cash thrown in than selling the Rights to ABC for 4 million a year? ABC offers good exposure and actually will pay us for it. I am curious if Channel 9 gives up all the cricket rights and gets the A-league game. They did well in the World Cup Qualifying games.
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How about the HAL rights are given for free to the ABC and the Federal Government gives the grassroots more funding?
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"How about the HAL rights are given for free to the ABC and the Federal Government gives the grassroots more funding? "
Sure.
"Hey Guv. Here's a deal - you take this product which you'll lose money on broadcasting, and you give us additional money for our grassroots development. Deal? Sweet. "
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+xHow about the HAL rights are given for free to the ABC and the Federal Government gives the grassroots more funding? wont happen
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