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vanlassen - 8 Jun 2017 4:01 PM
mcjules - 7 Jun 2017 3:29 PM

I remember having the exact same argument (dunno if it was with you) about the Australian Senate.

Yes it was me. And I support the concept of how the senate is formed both here and in the US (each state having equal representation) but I think our proportional system of electing candidates is better. It's not an inconsistent position.




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mcjules - 8 Jun 2017 4:28 PM
vanlassen - 8 Jun 2017 4:01 PM

Yes it was me. And I support the concept of how the senate is formed both here and in the US (each state having equal representation) but I think our proportional system of electing candidates is better. It's not an inconsistent position.



Seems a little inconsistent but not totally inconsistant.

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mcjules - 8 Jun 2017 4:23 PM
BETHFC - 8 Jun 2017 3:32 PM

It's hard to have a discussion when one side doesn't know the basic facts even when I explicitly laid out why not even a page ago

It was intended as another convoluted federalist move to give power to smaller states. It just doesn't make sense when there are other checks and balances in place (again listed them already). 1 representative for the whole country being voted in by the majority of the country should be how it is.

I read your posts, I don't know why you brought up policies and congress. 

You listed checks and balances relating to policy decisions not the election of a president. If its about the popular vote, why even bother if you live in a regional or rural area?  

I simply do not have an issue with distributing the vote to equalize the contributions of each state. If this kind of power was given to policy decisions then it would be a problem. Edit: The senate/congress is not something i'm well versed on.



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BETHFC - 8 Jun 2017 4:49 PM
mcjules - 8 Jun 2017 4:23 PM

I read your posts, I don't know why you brought up policies and congress. 

You listed checks and balances relating to policy decisions not the election of a president. If its about the popular vote, why even bother if you live in a regional or rural area?  





The US isn't a dictatorship (yet :laugh:), the president has power but it is limited by the congress, the senate and the supreme court.

As sokorny has mentioned, it's rare that the popular vote doesn't go to the elected president, Republican or Democrat so it's not like it'd be landslide victories to the Democrats in perpetuity.  Rural votes would be worth the same as urban votes so of course you should bother voting. Ignoring the fact that you have a local representative and 2 representatives for your state.


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mcjules - 8 Jun 2017 5:02 PM
BETHFC - 8 Jun 2017 4:49 PM

The US isn't a dictatorship (yet :laugh:), the president has power but it is limited by the congress, the senate and the supreme court.

As sokorny has mentioned, it's rare that the popular vote doesn't go to the elected president, Republican or Democrat so it's not like it'd be landslide victories to the Democrats in perpetuity.  Rural votes would be worth the same as urban votes so of course you should bother voting. Ignoring the fact that you have a local representative and 2 representatives for your state.
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I believe the last president to be elected not winning the popular vote was Bush?

The popular vote is worth the same but in reality 1 city (NYC) has more voting power than 12 states combined.

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Look

Russia work with Trump  to hack and  win the US presidential election (Trump is a Russia asset)

once you understand this basic fact,  

and understand that it very hard (impossible) to get espionage convictions with out 
A - they confess to espionage
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then you will easy understand , Today was not about Trump, and firing FBI director, it was about about setting up Michael Flynn and Jeff Sessions


The fact is ,Trump was dead the 2nd day he was  POTUS  and called CIA people Nazis ....now it just about, will Ivanka Trump  end up in jail, or will she escape to Israel before they put her away  


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The UK election results are looking very interesting. A swing back from the crazy nasty politics we've seen over the past few years is refreshing to see.

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mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 10:36 AM
The UK election results are looking very interesting. A swing back from the crazy nasty politics we've seen over the past few years is refreshing to see.

Do you think it will have any affect on the progress of Brexit?

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BETHFC - 9 Jun 2017 10:55 AM
mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 10:36 AM

Do you think it will have any affect on the progress of Brexit?

Definitely. Still looks like the Tories will have power but maybe not with an outright majority. They're going to have to deal with Lib Dems, SNP and Labour which are varying levels from pro-EU to "soft Brexit". Hard to see May holding on as PM too


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BETHFC - 9 Jun 2017 10:55 AM
mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 10:36 AM

Do you think it will have any affect on the progress of Brexit?

let me ask you this questions...do you believe the EU should become a single country , with a single parliament, and single military?

if your answer is no, then why the F , do you want the UK to have a soft Brexit?
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mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 10:58 AM
BETHFC - 9 Jun 2017 10:55 AM

Definitely. Still looks like the Tories will have power but maybe not with an outright majority. They're going to have to deal with Lib Dems, SNP and Labour which are varying levels from pro-EU to "soft Brexit". Hard to see May holding on as PM too

Sounds similar to the confusing situation we have with our parliament at present where the governing party has to deal with minor parties to get anything done. It's not a bad situation tbh, it means the smaller parties have some relevance, even if one of them is Pauline Hanson.

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BETHFC - 9 Jun 2017 11:16 AM
mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 10:58 AM

Sounds similar to the confusing situation we have with our parliament at present where the governing party has to deal with minor parties to get anything done. It's not a bad situation tbh, it means the smaller parties have some relevance, even if one of them is Pauline Hanson.

Almost means government needs to work in putting forward more balanced bills ... rather than ones that just benefit their party politics.
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all other parties bar 1 are going to be left wing or the libs (who have ruled out a tory coalition) so the key question is can DUP+tory get to 326 seats? Otherwise its a labour coalition government. My odds are about 10% for labour and 90% for tories

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bbc now projecting only 316 seats for tories so actually labour coalition might actually be more likely

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Mind you if labour form a coalition that needs DUP that might be entertaining

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grazorblade - 9 Jun 2017 2:59 PM
bbc now projecting only 316 seats for tories so actually labour coalition might actually be more likely

DUP have a confirmed 10 I think so it'll probably happen. Pretty amazing result, a lot like the double d we had last year.

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mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 3:33 PM
grazorblade - 9 Jun 2017 2:59 PM

DUP have a confirmed 10 I think so it'll probably happen. Pretty amazing result, a lot like the double d we had last year.

yeah slightly worse though since its much harder to pass legislation when you can't afford a single defection from 326 politicians compared to 76

it will be amazing if anything happens next few years

So BBC are projecting 326 seats for DUP+tory. Another projection is 328.

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grazorblade - 9 Jun 2017 3:45 PM
mcjules - 9 Jun 2017 3:33 PM

yeah slightly worse though since its much harder to pass legislation when you can't afford a single defection from 326 politicians compared to 76

it will be amazing if anything happens next few years

So BBC are projecting 326 seats for DUP+tory. Another projection is 328.

Yeah they're going to have to take the middle ground on a lot of things. Would have loved to see the coalition of chaos though :laugh:

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AdrthoGold, 4 posts in and banned :laugh:

seems pretty harsh none of his posts seemed out of line?

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All the betting companies had odds on Corbyn being PM.

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There are a few rumblings going on that Theresa May might be challenged for the Tory leadership. 5 cabinet ministers have apparently pledged loyalty to Boris Johnson
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There are a few rumblings going on that Theresa May might be challenged for the Tory leadership. 5 cabinet ministers have apparently pledged loyalty to Boris Johnson

Farken lol.

The kid from Home Alone all grown up is now set to be a PM.

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Live footage
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no-one above 4th floor likely got out

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KCTMO – Playing with fire!

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It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the  KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of  looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.

Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death.

It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders.

We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/fire-safety-scandal-at-lancaster-west/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/more-on-fire-safety/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/another-fire-safety-scandal/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/

In October 2015 a fire ripped through another KCTMO property, the 14 storey Adair Tower in North Kensington, causing mass panic and resulting in a number of residents taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. It is reported that had it not been for the swift actions of the London Fire Brigade the consequences of this fire and potential loss of life could have been much worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11967592/50-rescued-from-burning-flats-in-Kensington.html

In the aftermath of the Adair Tower fire the London Fire Brigade found that the KCTMO had not been looking after the safety of residents properly and issued an Enforcement Order compelling them to improve the fire safety in the escape staircases and to provide self closing devices to all the tower block’s front doors. A further audit by the London Fire Brigade of the neighbouring Hazelwood Tower (located alongside Adair Tower) found similar breaches of health and safety legislation and an Enforcement Order was also issued for this property forcing the TMO to address the serious concerns of the Fire Brigade’s inspectors. What is shocking is that a decade ago a fatality occurred due to a fire at Hazelwood Tower and the Fire Investigation Team ordered that the grills on the fire escape staircase be covered over. This never happened and it is believed that the uncovered grills at Adair House (Hazelwood Tower’s twin block) acted like a chimney and were responsible for the accelerated spread of the fire and smoke damage.

In the last twenty years and despite the terrifying power surge incident in 2013 and recent fire at Adair Tower, the residents of Grenfell Tower have received no proper fire safety instructions from the KCTMO. Residents were informed by a temporary notice stuck in the lift and one announcement in a recent regeneration newsletter that they should remain in their flats in the event of fire. There are not and never have been any instructions posted in the Grenfell Tower noticeboard or on individual floor as to how residents should act in event of a fire. Anyone who witnessed the recent tower block fire at Shepherds Court, in nearby Shepherd’s Bush, will know that the advice to remain in our properties would have led to certain fatalities and we are calling on our landlord to re-consider the advice that they have so badly circulated.

The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!



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View from the fence - 14 Jun 2017 1:39 PM
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no-one above 4th floor likely got out

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Geezuz fuck, where's the sprinkler system ffs.

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Some horrid stories coming from this, people holding babies out the window etc.

Looks like their mightve been a bit of a balls up with the rescue plan too, a lot of neighbours saying on CNN that no one was helping the people inside for hours.
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Iridium1010 - 14 Jun 2017 3:23 PM
Some horrid stories coming from this, people holding babies out the window etc.Looks like their mightve been a bit of a balls up with the rescue plan too, a lot of neighbours saying on CNN that no one was helping the people inside for hours.

I call BS. The first priority of Fire & Rescue is "Rescue" then "Fire" (of course the first duty of care is to their life and their team)

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From what I've seen the brand new cladding they put on the building to make it look pretty went up like dry grass.

Hopefully some accountability for this balls up.

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sokorny - 14 Jun 2017 4:44 PM
Iridium1010 - 14 Jun 2017 3:23 PM

I call BS. The first priority of Fire & Rescue is "Rescue" then "Fire" (of course the first duty of care is to their life and their team)

Exactly. Ive never heard of anyone from my firefighter mates to say cant wait to not being a lifesacer. 

Load of shit. Absolute shit. 


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