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+x+x+x+xAFL can take the athletes. After all it's all they have. I'll settle for the skillful sportspeople, I will go on for watching the very best athletes every four years, the AFL can have the leftovers from the olympics. With the utmost respect, this post suggests a misunderstanding of the concepts of skill, technique and athleticism. Relative to sports such as football, cricket and tennis, Aussie Rules does not set so much store by technique (or tactical awareness). But does that mean that the best AFL footballers aren't skillful? No. If anything, it compensates for this by putting additional focus on things such as skill and athleticism. That's why it's not unheard of for someone who has never played Aussie Rules to take it up as an adult and be able to play (with success) in the AFL. It relies on natural skills rather than the kind of technical ability and tactical awareness which are almost always only gained through hours and hours of practice from a fairly young age. In a nutshell, skill in AFL is based almost entirely on athletic ability. In football, it varies. In some parts of the park, skill is based almost entirely on technical ability and tactical awareness. In other parts of the park, it's based on a combination of technical ability, tactical awareness and athletic ability (particularly speed and agility). The thing is that heaps of the best footballers have it all. And the AFL does get a disproportionately large amount of the best athletes in Australia (or gets near them). Imagine if AFL footballers such as Cyril Rioli, Leroy Jetta, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Mitchell and Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti had grown up in households where football was the most popular sport. Imagine if they had been brought up playing football from a young age and coached very well. These are some absolutely world-class athletes and (as AFL footballers go) have very good game awareness, it seems. I wager there's every chance Australia would have Brazilian, German and even Italian defences very worried. Imagine if Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy could construct passages of play with those kind of footballers. Look at basketball. Patty Mills and Ben Simmonds are both in the NBA. Patty is a superbly gifted athlete and a world-class point guard while Ben Simmonds has the potential to be a once-in-a-generation talent. Both played elite junior Aussie Rules and Patty very nearly went to the AIS on a scholarship for it. Australian basketball has benefited immeasurably from those kind of guys (plus Matthew Dellavedova, Andrew Bogut and so on). Imagine if Australian football could draw upon some of these guys who are so athletic and have great match awareness. The concept is that the Socceroos does have some great athletes Leckie, Smith, Irvine & before them the likes of Cahill & Emerton, all superb athletes, the problem we have is that we don't produce enough touch players. So having all these wonderful AFL athletes in Football would matter little if they cannot master the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians & very few Australians have been able to master it. Yep, agreed. But if they did master first touch and technique, then having all these wonderful AFL athletes in football would make Australia a world-class football nation, in all likelihood. The point is it's about the law of averages. There needs to be a big enough pool of that from which to draw upon. Only a small proportion of that pool will end up being world-class. But there needs to be the volume in the first place, at least statistically (and almost invariably in reality). Australia, thus far, has struggled to draw upon that volume. Countries such as Germany and Brazil can draw upon that volume. The whole point is that touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. Seeing as they are the hardest to master this should be taught as early as possible and given the greatest importance. Sure to a degree athleticism is important in football but it's more important in a game like AFL. The comparison to play AFL vs Football is non existent. There is no skill at all in AFL. I mean how hard is it to kick a ball 40-50m. I reckon you give me 1-2 hrs with the world's best footballers and they will be kicking goals from the pocket. How hard is it to fumble a Sherrin around. Even "good" AFL players can barely hold on it. It's laughable how ridiculous these supposed best players are. Absolute rubbish.
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+x+x+xI like football. I'm not a huge fan of Aussie Rules, but I grew up watching it and playing it and being in Melbourne am constantly (and I mean constantly) bombarded with it. 52 weeks of the year, it is the lead story in the sports news, and in the paper, and on the news websites. It is played at junior and local level in every suburb and everyone knows someone that plays it or has a kid playing. It is practically a religion here. What that means, is that people are HUGELY invested in it as part of the culture. As a cultural icon, "THE GAME" is seen as part of being Australian, and you are seen by many as unAustralian if you do not follow a team, or at least profess to follow a team and express some support for the game (even minor). As a result of this all pervasive narrative of football being part of an 'Australian' identity, most people who are proud to be Australian desperately want for "THEIR GAME" to be recognised as superior to other sports and therefore recognising that the Australian way of life and they are therefore superior to the rest of the world. It is a validation of their own identity if Aussie Rules is held up as the pinnacle of sport in the world. That's one of the reasons why many Aussie Rules fans are so negative toward other sports, and in particular football. As for me, I like football. I don't hate Aussie Rules, but I am sick of Aussie Rules fans who are so insecure constantly attacking football to validate their own identity. This might be true in Croydon, but for the most part this isn't true. Some* Aussie Rules fans, sure. Just like some football fans are negative towards Aussie Rules. Just like some people who like bananas are negative towards pineapples. If Aussie Rules was so culturally ingrained and practically a religion (which it is), where everyone knows someone or has a kid playing it, which made so many negative towards other sports (which they're not), then why is Melbourne Victory the only team to ever post an average season attendance of over 20k (which it has done 10 times, btw) and why does the MCG sell out for games involving English and South American football teams? What you say has some merit. AFL does has over 160 years of history in Victoria and it has become embedded in the social fabric of the people who live there, but how can football be so despised if there are over 1,000,000 participants as the statistics above suggest? Don't believe everything Les Murray tells you and don't assume Eddie Maguire speaks for an entire population. Victory having good attendances does not change the fact that MANY (not all, and not just some) Aussie rules fans are negative toward football. I challenge you to go to a workplace in Melbourne and ask some opinions of football. You know that MANY people who follow AFL will cane football at every chance they get. It's one of the reasons why there's so often an anti-football story in the Herald Sun or Age, they are stories catering to a LARGE part of the Melbourne audience and they get a lot of reads and a lot of negative comments. Yes I understand that some people like both sports and some are passionate about both, but you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't many AFL (I would say a majority of them) fans that try to put football every chance they get. Too right, Go to any workplace and try and discuss the round ball and see how far you get with any 'wog ball' talk.
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+x+x+x+xI like football. I'm not a huge fan of Aussie Rules, but I grew up watching it and playing it and being in Melbourne am constantly (and I mean constantly) bombarded with it. 52 weeks of the year, it is the lead story in the sports news, and in the paper, and on the news websites. It is played at junior and local level in every suburb and everyone knows someone that plays it or has a kid playing. It is practically a religion here. What that means, is that people are HUGELY invested in it as part of the culture. As a cultural icon, "THE GAME" is seen as part of being Australian, and you are seen by many as unAustralian if you do not follow a team, or at least profess to follow a team and express some support for the game (even minor). As a result of this all pervasive narrative of football being part of an 'Australian' identity, most people who are proud to be Australian desperately want for "THEIR GAME" to be recognised as superior to other sports and therefore recognising that the Australian way of life and they are therefore superior to the rest of the world. It is a validation of their own identity if Aussie Rules is held up as the pinnacle of sport in the world. That's one of the reasons why many Aussie Rules fans are so negative toward other sports, and in particular football. As for me, I like football. I don't hate Aussie Rules, but I am sick of Aussie Rules fans who are so insecure constantly attacking football to validate their own identity. This might be true in Croydon, but for the most part this isn't true. Some* Aussie Rules fans, sure. Just like some football fans are negative towards Aussie Rules. Just like some people who like bananas are negative towards pineapples. If Aussie Rules was so culturally ingrained and practically a religion (which it is), where everyone knows someone or has a kid playing it, which made so many negative towards other sports (which they're not), then why is Melbourne Victory the only team to ever post an average season attendance of over 20k (which it has done 10 times, btw) and why does the MCG sell out for games involving English and South American football teams? What you say has some merit. AFL does has over 160 years of history in Victoria and it has become embedded in the social fabric of the people who live there, but how can football be so despised if there are over 1,000,000 participants as the statistics above suggest? Don't believe everything Les Murray tells you and don't assume Eddie Maguire speaks for an entire population. Victory having good attendances does not change the fact that MANY (not all, and not just some) Aussie rules fans are negative toward football. I challenge you to go to a workplace in Melbourne and ask some opinions of football. You know that MANY people who follow AFL will cane football at every chance they get. It's one of the reasons why there's so often an anti-football story in the Herald Sun or Age, they are stories catering to a LARGE part of the Melbourne audience and they get a lot of reads and a lot of negative comments. Yes I understand that some people like both sports and some are passionate about both, but you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't many AFL (I would say a majority of them) fans that try to put football every chance they get. Too right, Go to any workplace and try and discuss the round ball and see how far you get with any 'wog ball' talk. You don't get this in Sydney, as a matter of fact, football is also more highly discussed then AFL.
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+xyep last two posts sums it up pretty well, when something good happens in football you can bet the anti football media/articles will follow But the point of the article is that that something "good" for football is great for lining the pockets of overseas teams, but does nothing for local football.
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+x+xyep last two posts sums it up pretty well, when something good happens in football you can bet the anti football media/articles will follow But the point of the article is that that something "good" for football is great for lining the pockets of overseas teams, but does nothing for local football. Jealousy's a curse, isn't it! Pity there are no overseas AFL clubs to bring to town.
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+x+x+x+x+xAFL can take the athletes. After all it's all they have. I'll settle for the skillful sportspeople, I will go on for watching the very best athletes every four years, the AFL can have the leftovers from the olympics. With the utmost respect, this post suggests a misunderstanding of the concepts of skill, technique and athleticism. Relative to sports such as football, cricket and tennis, Aussie Rules does not set so much store by technique (or tactical awareness). But does that mean that the best AFL footballers aren't skillful? No. If anything, it compensates for this by putting additional focus on things such as skill and athleticism. That's why it's not unheard of for someone who has never played Aussie Rules to take it up as an adult and be able to play (with success) in the AFL. It relies on natural skills rather than the kind of technical ability and tactical awareness which are almost always only gained through hours and hours of practice from a fairly young age. In a nutshell, skill in AFL is based almost entirely on athletic ability. In football, it varies. In some parts of the park, skill is based almost entirely on technical ability and tactical awareness. In other parts of the park, it's based on a combination of technical ability, tactical awareness and athletic ability (particularly speed and agility). The thing is that heaps of the best footballers have it all. And the AFL does get a disproportionately large amount of the best athletes in Australia (or gets near them). Imagine if AFL footballers such as Cyril Rioli, Leroy Jetta, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Mitchell and Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti had grown up in households where football was the most popular sport. Imagine if they had been brought up playing football from a young age and coached very well. These are some absolutely world-class athletes and (as AFL footballers go) have very good game awareness, it seems. I wager there's every chance Australia would have Brazilian, German and even Italian defences very worried. Imagine if Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy could construct passages of play with those kind of footballers. Look at basketball. Patty Mills and Ben Simmonds are both in the NBA. Patty is a superbly gifted athlete and a world-class point guard while Ben Simmonds has the potential to be a once-in-a-generation talent. Both played elite junior Aussie Rules and Patty very nearly went to the AIS on a scholarship for it. Australian basketball has benefited immeasurably from those kind of guys (plus Matthew Dellavedova, Andrew Bogut and so on). Imagine if Australian football could draw upon some of these guys who are so athletic and have great match awareness. The concept is that the Socceroos does have some great athletes Leckie, Smith, Irvine & before them the likes of Cahill & Emerton, all superb athletes, the problem we have is that we don't produce enough touch players. So having all these wonderful AFL athletes in Football would matter little if they cannot master the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians & very few Australians have been able to master it. Yep, agreed. But if they did master first touch and technique, then having all these wonderful AFL athletes in football would make Australia a world-class football nation, in all likelihood. The point is it's about the law of averages. There needs to be a big enough pool of that from which to draw upon. Only a small proportion of that pool will end up being world-class. But there needs to be the volume in the first place, at least statistically (and almost invariably in reality). Australia, thus far, has struggled to draw upon that volume. Countries such as Germany and Brazil can draw upon that volume. The whole point is that touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. Seeing as they are the hardest to master this should be taught as early as possible and given the greatest importance. Sure to a degree athleticism is important in football but it's more important in a game like AFL. The comparison to play AFL vs Football is non existent. There is no skill at all in AFL. I mean how hard is it to kick a ball 40-50m. I reckon you give me 1-2 hrs with the world's best footballers and they will be kicking goals from the pocket. How hard is it to fumble a Sherrin around. Even "good" AFL players can barely hold on it. It's laughable how ridiculous these supposed best players are. Absolute rubbish. Exactly!!! I don't buy into what some say in regards to AFL taking the best athletes, yes no doubt if AFL did not exist, there would be more available athletes to be able to choose from, but football have had our fair share of athletes & where we struggle is those with the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians. If these so called AFL athletes had shown this great first touch & high technique at a young age, unless the child really hated the game& only wanted to play AFL, it would be a silly decision by the parents or the child to not choose football. If they had the ability to scare Italian, Brazilian defences, they would be paid that much money that AFL players could only dream of.
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@Robbos Case in point, our best AFL players lose regularly to semi-professional Irish players in International rules. Athleticism doesn't help them, even though they need even less skill to play than AFL (round ball vs egg). We have a relatively unknown Canadian rugby player able to play professional AFL after a couple of years. Unheard of in football, it would never happen. Similarly you have a college basketball player with no knowledge of the game who can easily master the game and be a player on the Collingwood list. Unheard of in football, it would not happen. You can also see the increasing number of Irish players coming into the AFL as well. You could probably pick a couple of Irish backpackers on the streets of Melbourne and start a competitive team if you wanted to. In reality the AFL should feel lucky they have insulated themselves from the rest of the world from playing. If other countries actually took this game seriously there would be less room for American college basketball players, Irish Gaelic players, Sudanese refugees, NRL and Rugby code hoppers. You don't need anything special to play the game, you only need to master the game for a year or two, be born with 2 arms and 2 legs and you have "made it". Best in the world indeed Ha!
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+x@Robbos Case in point, our best AFL players lose regularly to semi-professional Irish players in International rules. Athleticism doesn't help them, even though they need even less skill to play than AFL (round ball vs egg). We have a relatively unknown Canadian rugby player able to play professional AFL after a couple of years. Unheard of in football, it would never happen. Similarly you have a college basketball player with no knowledge of the game who can easily master the game and be a player on the Collingwood list. Unheard of in football, it would not happen. You can also see the increasing number of Irish players coming into the AFL as well. You could probably pick a couple of Irish backpackers on the streets of Melbourne and start a competitive team if you wanted to. In reality the AFL should feel lucky they have insulated themselves from the rest of the world from playing. If other countries actually took this game seriously there would be less room for American college basketball players, Irish Gaelic players, Sudanese refugees, NRL and Rugby code hoppers. You don't need anything special to play the game, you only need to master the game for a year or two, be born with 2 arms and 2 legs and you have "made it". Best in the world indeed Ha! This is why despite the money spent AFL will never be that big in Sydney, the most famous AFL player in Sydney & most expensive is an ex NRL player & current Wallaby. It's a simple game. This may seem harsh as many here are Melbourne, Adelaide & Perth supporters who also like AFL, well this is a RL town & we certainly don't get look down in Sydney by RL fans as described by MarkfromCroydon. Not much of a RL fan myself, but funny how I dislike AFL more because you see this sort bullying MarkfromCroydon gets in the work place in the national media ala the journalist in this article
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You can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer.
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+x+x@Robbos Case in point, our best AFL players lose regularly to semi-professional Irish players in International rules. Athleticism doesn't help them, even though they need even less skill to play than AFL (round ball vs egg). We have a relatively unknown Canadian rugby player able to play professional AFL after a couple of years. Unheard of in football, it would never happen. Similarly you have a college basketball player with no knowledge of the game who can easily master the game and be a player on the Collingwood list. Unheard of in football, it would not happen. You can also see the increasing number of Irish players coming into the AFL as well. You could probably pick a couple of Irish backpackers on the streets of Melbourne and start a competitive team if you wanted to. In reality the AFL should feel lucky they have insulated themselves from the rest of the world from playing. If other countries actually took this game seriously there would be less room for American college basketball players, Irish Gaelic players, Sudanese refugees, NRL and Rugby code hoppers. You don't need anything special to play the game, you only need to master the game for a year or two, be born with 2 arms and 2 legs and you have "made it". Best in the world indeed Ha! This is why despite the money spent AFL will never be that big in Sydney, the most famous AFL player in Sydney & most expensive is an ex NRL player & current Wallaby. It's a simple game. This may seem harsh as many here are Melbourne, Adelaide & Perth supporters who also like AFL, well this is a RL town & we certainly don't get look down in Sydney by RL fans as described by MarkfromCroydon. Not much of a RL fan myself, but funny how I dislike AFL more because you see this sort bullying MarkfromCroydon gets in the work place in the national media ala the journalist in this article One thing i will say in Melbourne is that a lot of this comes from those who are a bit older, a lot of people who are younger actually follow and want to talk about football even if most of them are eurosnobs.
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+x+x+x@Robbos Case in point, our best AFL players lose regularly to semi-professional Irish players in International rules. Athleticism doesn't help them, even though they need even less skill to play than AFL (round ball vs egg). We have a relatively unknown Canadian rugby player able to play professional AFL after a couple of years. Unheard of in football, it would never happen. Similarly you have a college basketball player with no knowledge of the game who can easily master the game and be a player on the Collingwood list. Unheard of in football, it would not happen. You can also see the increasing number of Irish players coming into the AFL as well. You could probably pick a couple of Irish backpackers on the streets of Melbourne and start a competitive team if you wanted to. In reality the AFL should feel lucky they have insulated themselves from the rest of the world from playing. If other countries actually took this game seriously there would be less room for American college basketball players, Irish Gaelic players, Sudanese refugees, NRL and Rugby code hoppers. You don't need anything special to play the game, you only need to master the game for a year or two, be born with 2 arms and 2 legs and you have "made it". Best in the world indeed Ha! This is why despite the money spent AFL will never be that big in Sydney, the most famous AFL player in Sydney & most expensive is an ex NRL player & current Wallaby. It's a simple game. This may seem harsh as many here are Melbourne, Adelaide & Perth supporters who also like AFL, well this is a RL town & we certainly don't get look down in Sydney by RL fans as described by MarkfromCroydon. Not much of a RL fan myself, but funny how I dislike AFL more because you see this sort bullying MarkfromCroydon gets in the work place in the national media ala the journalist in this article One thing i will say in Melbourne is that a lot of this comes from those who are a bit older, a lot of people who are younger actually follow and want to talk about football even if most of them are eurosnobs. Oh lots of those in Sydney, those who prefer European football, but hey to me they are football fans & they have a good point in terms of quality. But apart from being a SFC fan, I'm also a Real Madrid, so when the English PL fans or even other fans of other Euro leagues (outside of La Liga, best league in the world), outside of Bayern & Juve, I laugh at the quality of their teams as well.
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Pippinu,
You mean like playing afl games in china?
You just agreed that afl games in China do nothing for local chinese afl players.Hahahahahaah.
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+x+x+x+xI like football. I'm not a huge fan of Aussie Rules, but I grew up watching it and playing it and being in Melbourne am constantly (and I mean constantly) bombarded with it. 52 weeks of the year, it is the lead story in the sports news, and in the paper, and on the news websites. It is played at junior and local level in every suburb and everyone knows someone that plays it or has a kid playing. It is practically a religion here. What that means, is that people are HUGELY invested in it as part of the culture. As a cultural icon, "THE GAME" is seen as part of being Australian, and you are seen by many as unAustralian if you do not follow a team, or at least profess to follow a team and express some support for the game (even minor). As a result of this all pervasive narrative of football being part of an 'Australian' identity, most people who are proud to be Australian desperately want for "THEIR GAME" to be recognised as superior to other sports and therefore recognising that the Australian way of life and they are therefore superior to the rest of the world. It is a validation of their own identity if Aussie Rules is held up as the pinnacle of sport in the world. That's one of the reasons why many Aussie Rules fans are so negative toward other sports, and in particular football. As for me, I like football. I don't hate Aussie Rules, but I am sick of Aussie Rules fans who are so insecure constantly attacking football to validate their own identity. This might be true in Croydon, but for the most part this isn't true. Some* Aussie Rules fans, sure. Just like some football fans are negative towards Aussie Rules. Just like some people who like bananas are negative towards pineapples. If Aussie Rules was so culturally ingrained and practically a religion (which it is), where everyone knows someone or has a kid playing it, which made so many negative towards other sports (which they're not), then why is Melbourne Victory the only team to ever post an average season attendance of over 20k (which it has done 10 times, btw) and why does the MCG sell out for games involving English and South American football teams? What you say has some merit. AFL does has over 160 years of history in Victoria and it has become embedded in the social fabric of the people who live there, but how can football be so despised if there are over 1,000,000 participants as the statistics above suggest? Don't believe everything Les Murray tells you and don't assume Eddie Maguire speaks for an entire population. Victory having good attendances does not change the fact that MANY (not all, and not just some) Aussie rules fans are negative toward football. I challenge you to go to a workplace in Melbourne and ask some opinions of football. You know that MANY people who follow AFL will cane football at every chance they get. It's one of the reasons why there's so often an anti-football story in the Herald Sun or Age, they are stories catering to a LARGE part of the Melbourne audience and they get a lot of reads and a lot of negative comments. Yes I understand that some people like both sports and some are passionate about both, but you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't many AFL (I would say a majority of them) fans that try to put football every chance they get. Too right, Go to any workplace and try and discuss the round ball and see how far you get with any 'wog ball' talk. Happens in Adelaide too seems to be an AFL trait....
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Did soccer kill his first born son? LOL  AFL has made a stuff-up in panicked reaction to jumper punch West Coast’s Luke Shuey bumps Geelong’s Patrick Dangerfield on Thursday night.First off a little good cop, bad cop. The AFL is the best-run football competition in Australia. Do not waste your time arguing that to be wrong. To challenge the league’s superiority is to do what football, that is soccer, fans have done all week to no effect. They have not landed a blow. The indigenous code has the deepest penetration into the nation’s sport; it is the wealthiest, owning its own stadium at the Docklands and integral to the success of the MCG because the AFL provides so much content. Other stadiums around the nation live on only because the AFL feeds them with product. Soccer surges locally when the big teams come to town (more than 95,000 congregated to watch Brazil and Argentina) but falls away quickly when it relies on the success of the A-League and plodding, uninspired wins by the Socceroos over Saudi Arabia along the World Cup qualification path. Such is the spread and depth of the success of the indigenous code it threatens to continue to rob other sports like soccer of the highly skilled athletes not yet present in the national team but nonetheless required if the sport is to ever make a substantial and lengthy impact. So the AFL reigns and the good cop leaves the interrogation room to munch on his ham sandwiches. Enter bad cop. Unshaven and with ham shavings stuck to his chin, the bad cop suggests to Gillon McLachlan that he has made a right stuff-up of the league’s judicial system with the panicked reaction to jumper punches. He quickly takes McLachlan back to the Trent Cotchin contact when the Tiger rover punched opponent Lachie Neale with a fistful of jumper as though that was effective camouflage for a genuine, hard punch to the head. Shaken, McLachlan and his football manager whiz Simon Lethlean said new rules would be introduced halfway through the season to eradicate the punch hidden in a player’s apparel. That was scrapped immediately because it was identified as daft as quickly as it was announced and, instead, it was declared players who jumper-punch would be executed on the spot and on the field. The first to front after such measured reaction by the AFL was Tom Hawkins. Only an emotional, tear-wrenching defence by Julian Burnside, the legal genius, was able to keep Hawkins from a 12-month stint of solitary confinement at Port Arthur. He just had to stay at Geelong for another five years. Tough penalty either way you went. So here is where it is at. Cotchin was fined $1000 before the jumper punch crackdown but Hawkins missed a match after Lethlean and McLachlan thumped their chests (which technically were jumper punches but no action was taken, sycophants), and demanded tougher penalties. Then at Subiaco on Thursday night, West Coast’s Luke Shuey gave the AFL a headache. Shuey’s immediate future will depend on whether he gave Geelong star Patrick Dangerfield one as well. Shuey conspicuously ran past the ball to bump Dangerfield. The Geelong star appeared a legitimate target because he was within 5m of the ball and could be expected to be involved in the play. Nonetheless, Shuey had to decide not to contest possession of the ball, run past it and collect Dangerfield in the head. The possibility of extreme damage in this scenario is extreme. There is a strong view among experts that Shuey will be in the clear when the match review panel meets on Monday. They argue that while Shuey intentionally bumped Dangerfield and that contact may have been to the head, that part of the exchange was accidental. Careless in the language of the match review panel and the AFL tribunal. Yet Shuey’s actions could have done some disastrous damage to Dangerfield. Jumper punches, as delivered by Hawkins, do not quite have the possible ramifications of a body charge. Yet under new interpretations on the jumper punch, both misdemeanours draw the same penalty. Say a one-match penalty. That is very odd and unsatisfactory. It is a result that befits the league’s fiddling with rules in the middle of the season. The league boffins should have the perspicacity to put in place rules and regulations that will hold for a season. The inability of the league to sustain one position from the start of the season to the end hurts its credibility. Having tightened up the jumper interpretation and demanded from the MRP stronger action, the league has thrown all other punishments out of proportion. The bad cop might be with the AFL for quite a bit longer.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/afl-has-made-a-stuffup-in-panicked-reaction-to-jumper-punch/news-story/57da5acf50e98c287719f4276866008b
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Fear causes even the best of people to be irrational!!!! Hope he knows something we don't.
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Sockah is shit, we have the best Athletes nah nah nah nah nah segue into jumper punches shouldn't be illegal in our great Australian game. Wow article makes sense.
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Imo these articles are indicative of the sad state that the modern print media institutions find itself in. Fact is nobody would bother to click, read or comment on that article (online or otherwise), but stick in a few jabs under the belt towards sokkah and watch the clicks and comments roll in.
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+xImo these articles are indicative of the sad state that the modern print media institutions find itself in. Fact is nobody would bother to click, read or comment on that article (online or otherwise), but stick in a few jabs under the belt towards sokkah and watch the clicks and comments roll in. Pure clickbait. Which is what my comment alluded to. What the hell does football errr sockah have anything to do with jumper punches. Does anyone know what the point of including that part in the article other than clickbait. It is laughable. Seriously who else does this apart from AFL and those closely associated with the game.
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+x+xImo these articles are indicative of the sad state that the modern print media institutions find itself in. Fact is nobody would bother to click, read or comment on that article (online or otherwise), but stick in a few jabs under the belt towards sokkah and watch the clicks and comments roll in. Pure clickbait. Which is what my comment alluded to. What the hell does football errr sockah have anything to do with jumper punches. Does anyone know what the point of including that part in the article other than clickbait. It is laughable. Seriously who else does this apart from AFL and those closely associated with the game. exactly what a flog of an article... Good cop/ bad cop ? seriously , and he calls himself a journalist ? the bias towards AFL is cringeworthy
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+x+x+x+x+xAFL can take the athletes. After all it's all they have. I'll settle for the skillful sportspeople, I will go on for watching the very best athletes every four years, the AFL can have the leftovers from the olympics. With the utmost respect, this post suggests a misunderstanding of the concepts of skill, technique and athleticism. Relative to sports such as football, cricket and tennis, Aussie Rules does not set so much store by technique (or tactical awareness). But does that mean that the best AFL footballers aren't skillful? No. If anything, it compensates for this by putting additional focus on things such as skill and athleticism. That's why it's not unheard of for someone who has never played Aussie Rules to take it up as an adult and be able to play (with success) in the AFL. It relies on natural skills rather than the kind of technical ability and tactical awareness which are almost always only gained through hours and hours of practice from a fairly young age. In a nutshell, skill in AFL is based almost entirely on athletic ability. In football, it varies. In some parts of the park, skill is based almost entirely on technical ability and tactical awareness. In other parts of the park, it's based on a combination of technical ability, tactical awareness and athletic ability (particularly speed and agility). The thing is that heaps of the best footballers have it all. And the AFL does get a disproportionately large amount of the best athletes in Australia (or gets near them). Imagine if AFL footballers such as Cyril Rioli, Leroy Jetta, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Mitchell and Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti had grown up in households where football was the most popular sport. Imagine if they had been brought up playing football from a young age and coached very well. These are some absolutely world-class athletes and (as AFL footballers go) have very good game awareness, it seems. I wager there's every chance Australia would have Brazilian, German and even Italian defences very worried. Imagine if Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy could construct passages of play with those kind of footballers. Look at basketball. Patty Mills and Ben Simmonds are both in the NBA. Patty is a superbly gifted athlete and a world-class point guard while Ben Simmonds has the potential to be a once-in-a-generation talent. Both played elite junior Aussie Rules and Patty very nearly went to the AIS on a scholarship for it. Australian basketball has benefited immeasurably from those kind of guys (plus Matthew Dellavedova, Andrew Bogut and so on). Imagine if Australian football could draw upon some of these guys who are so athletic and have great match awareness. The concept is that the Socceroos does have some great athletes Leckie, Smith, Irvine & before them the likes of Cahill & Emerton, all superb athletes, the problem we have is that we don't produce enough touch players. So having all these wonderful AFL athletes in Football would matter little if they cannot master the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians & very few Australians have been able to master it. Yep, agreed. But if they did master first touch and technique, then having all these wonderful AFL athletes in football would make Australia a world-class football nation, in all likelihood. The point is it's about the law of averages. There needs to be a big enough pool of that from which to draw upon. Only a small proportion of that pool will end up being world-class. But there needs to be the volume in the first place, at least statistically (and almost invariably in reality). Australia, thus far, has struggled to draw upon that volume. Countries such as Germany and Brazil can draw upon that volume. The whole point is that touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. Seeing as they are the hardest to master this should be taught as early as possible and given the greatest importance. Sure to a degree athleticism is important in football but it's more important in a game like AFL. The comparison to play AFL vs Football is non existent. There is no skill at all in AFL. I mean how hard is it to kick a ball 40-50m. I reckon you give me 1-2 hrs with the world's best footballers and they will be kicking goals from the pocket. How hard is it to fumble a Sherrin around. Even "good" AFL players can barely hold on it. It's laughable how ridiculous these supposed best players are. Absolute rubbish. I agree that inveighing against the AFL is justified and can be fun. But it doesn't actually get football in Australia anywhere. What football needs is to start making a big impact on the Australian sporting cultural landscape again. It did very well in 2005 and 2006 (and even before with Harry and Dukes playing so well in the Premier League). But since then things have been rather lacklustre. Touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. But they can be mastered. One huge challenge for Australian football is working out the best way for Australian footballers to master those things. But there's another problem. Those things, in and of themselves, usually aren't sufficient for producing world-class footballers in positions of striker, fantasista and wide players; i.e. touch and technical ability aren't enough for Australia's current problem positions. They're simply some of the crucial components. Crucial, nevertheless. But not the whole picture. World-class footballers in those areas tend to be very fast and agile and have outstanding co-ordination. Those areas can be improved in the individual with practice and knowledge, but they supreme ability there tends to be rather innate. And for that, Australian football needs access to the best Australian athletes there are. Unfortunately, the AFL has rather a profound influence in procuring those type of athletes. What needs to happen is they need to grow up playing football. Or else, Australia will not improve particularly much at football except by extreme fluke.
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@ quickflick
"Australian football needs access to the best Australian athletes there are" ... no it doesn't, it absoloutly doesn't. It just needs access to people wanting to play their game. The "best atheletes" don't factor into any of their needs
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAFL can take the athletes. After all it's all they have. I'll settle for the skillful sportspeople, I will go on for watching the very best athletes every four years, the AFL can have the leftovers from the olympics. With the utmost respect, this post suggests a misunderstanding of the concepts of skill, technique and athleticism. Relative to sports such as football, cricket and tennis, Aussie Rules does not set so much store by technique (or tactical awareness). But does that mean that the best AFL footballers aren't skillful? No. If anything, it compensates for this by putting additional focus on things such as skill and athleticism. That's why it's not unheard of for someone who has never played Aussie Rules to take it up as an adult and be able to play (with success) in the AFL. It relies on natural skills rather than the kind of technical ability and tactical awareness which are almost always only gained through hours and hours of practice from a fairly young age. In a nutshell, skill in AFL is based almost entirely on athletic ability. In football, it varies. In some parts of the park, skill is based almost entirely on technical ability and tactical awareness. In other parts of the park, it's based on a combination of technical ability, tactical awareness and athletic ability (particularly speed and agility). The thing is that heaps of the best footballers have it all. And the AFL does get a disproportionately large amount of the best athletes in Australia (or gets near them). Imagine if AFL footballers such as Cyril Rioli, Leroy Jetta, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Mitchell and Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti had grown up in households where football was the most popular sport. Imagine if they had been brought up playing football from a young age and coached very well. These are some absolutely world-class athletes and (as AFL footballers go) have very good game awareness, it seems. I wager there's every chance Australia would have Brazilian, German and even Italian defences very worried. Imagine if Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy could construct passages of play with those kind of footballers. Look at basketball. Patty Mills and Ben Simmonds are both in the NBA. Patty is a superbly gifted athlete and a world-class point guard while Ben Simmonds has the potential to be a once-in-a-generation talent. Both played elite junior Aussie Rules and Patty very nearly went to the AIS on a scholarship for it. Australian basketball has benefited immeasurably from those kind of guys (plus Matthew Dellavedova, Andrew Bogut and so on). Imagine if Australian football could draw upon some of these guys who are so athletic and have great match awareness. The concept is that the Socceroos does have some great athletes Leckie, Smith, Irvine & before them the likes of Cahill & Emerton, all superb athletes, the problem we have is that we don't produce enough touch players. So having all these wonderful AFL athletes in Football would matter little if they cannot master the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians & very few Australians have been able to master it. Yep, agreed. But if they did master first touch and technique, then having all these wonderful AFL athletes in football would make Australia a world-class football nation, in all likelihood. The point is it's about the law of averages. There needs to be a big enough pool of that from which to draw upon. Only a small proportion of that pool will end up being world-class. But there needs to be the volume in the first place, at least statistically (and almost invariably in reality). Australia, thus far, has struggled to draw upon that volume. Countries such as Germany and Brazil can draw upon that volume. The whole point is that touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. Seeing as they are the hardest to master this should be taught as early as possible and given the greatest importance. Sure to a degree athleticism is important in football but it's more important in a game like AFL. The comparison to play AFL vs Football is non existent. There is no skill at all in AFL. I mean how hard is it to kick a ball 40-50m. I reckon you give me 1-2 hrs with the world's best footballers and they will be kicking goals from the pocket. How hard is it to fumble a Sherrin around. Even "good" AFL players can barely hold on it. It's laughable how ridiculous these supposed best players are. Absolute rubbish. I agree that inveighing against the AFL is justified and can be fun. But it doesn't actually get football in Australia anywhere. What football needs is to start making a big impact on the Australian sporting cultural landscape again. It did very well in 2005 and 2006 (and even before with Harry and Dukes playing so well in the Premier League). But since then things have been rather lacklustre. Touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. But they can be mastered. One huge challenge for Australian football is working out the best way for Australian footballers to master those things. But there's another problem. Those things, in and of themselves, usually aren't sufficient for producing world-class footballers in positions of striker, fantasista and wide players; i.e. touch and technical ability aren't enough for Australia's current problem positions. They're simply some of the crucial components. Crucial, nevertheless. But not the whole picture. World-class footballers in those areas tend to be very fast and agile and have outstanding co-ordination. Those areas can be improved in the individual with practice and knowledge, but they supreme ability there tends to be rather innate. And for that, Australian football needs access to the best Australian athletes there are. Unfortunately, the AFL has rather a profound influence in procuring those type of athletes.What needs to happen is they need to grow up playing football. Or else, Australia will not improve particularly much at football except by extreme fluke. Your comment doesn't hold true for NSW and to a lesser extent Qld. AFL has a niche market in NSW being the smallest of the 4 codes there and although it is trying to grow its penetration of the market only about 5% of AFL listed players come from NSW with about half of those historically from the small population in the Riverina. The number of registered football players in NSW/ACT is about 300k which is about twice what the AFL has in Victoria so in NSW we have a resource of talent to mine unequalled in the country for any code. In NSW the issue isn't other codes taking the cream of the crop of athletes but our code not having the funds to provide the opportunity to the young players coming through.
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+xYou can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer. Actually, it's genes which determine your athleticism. You can improve what you have, but if you're a short, squat clog hopper, you will forever remain that regardless of how hard you work at it. David Luiz did not become a superb 1.9m athlete merely by working hard - genes had a lot to do with it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAFL can take the athletes. After all it's all they have. I'll settle for the skillful sportspeople, I will go on for watching the very best athletes every four years, the AFL can have the leftovers from the olympics. With the utmost respect, this post suggests a misunderstanding of the concepts of skill, technique and athleticism. Relative to sports such as football, cricket and tennis, Aussie Rules does not set so much store by technique (or tactical awareness). But does that mean that the best AFL footballers aren't skillful? No. If anything, it compensates for this by putting additional focus on things such as skill and athleticism. That's why it's not unheard of for someone who has never played Aussie Rules to take it up as an adult and be able to play (with success) in the AFL. It relies on natural skills rather than the kind of technical ability and tactical awareness which are almost always only gained through hours and hours of practice from a fairly young age. In a nutshell, skill in AFL is based almost entirely on athletic ability. In football, it varies. In some parts of the park, skill is based almost entirely on technical ability and tactical awareness. In other parts of the park, it's based on a combination of technical ability, tactical awareness and athletic ability (particularly speed and agility). The thing is that heaps of the best footballers have it all. And the AFL does get a disproportionately large amount of the best athletes in Australia (or gets near them). Imagine if AFL footballers such as Cyril Rioli, Leroy Jetta, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Mitchell and Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti had grown up in households where football was the most popular sport. Imagine if they had been brought up playing football from a young age and coached very well. These are some absolutely world-class athletes and (as AFL footballers go) have very good game awareness, it seems. I wager there's every chance Australia would have Brazilian, German and even Italian defences very worried. Imagine if Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy could construct passages of play with those kind of footballers. Look at basketball. Patty Mills and Ben Simmonds are both in the NBA. Patty is a superbly gifted athlete and a world-class point guard while Ben Simmonds has the potential to be a once-in-a-generation talent. Both played elite junior Aussie Rules and Patty very nearly went to the AIS on a scholarship for it. Australian basketball has benefited immeasurably from those kind of guys (plus Matthew Dellavedova, Andrew Bogut and so on). Imagine if Australian football could draw upon some of these guys who are so athletic and have great match awareness. The concept is that the Socceroos does have some great athletes Leckie, Smith, Irvine & before them the likes of Cahill & Emerton, all superb athletes, the problem we have is that we don't produce enough touch players. So having all these wonderful AFL athletes in Football would matter little if they cannot master the 1st touch & technique of the Brazilians & very few Australians have been able to master it. Yep, agreed. But if they did master first touch and technique, then having all these wonderful AFL athletes in football would make Australia a world-class football nation, in all likelihood. The point is it's about the law of averages. There needs to be a big enough pool of that from which to draw upon. Only a small proportion of that pool will end up being world-class. But there needs to be the volume in the first place, at least statistically (and almost invariably in reality). Australia, thus far, has struggled to draw upon that volume. Countries such as Germany and Brazil can draw upon that volume. The whole point is that touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. Seeing as they are the hardest to master this should be taught as early as possible and given the greatest importance. Sure to a degree athleticism is important in football but it's more important in a game like AFL. The comparison to play AFL vs Football is non existent. There is no skill at all in AFL. I mean how hard is it to kick a ball 40-50m. I reckon you give me 1-2 hrs with the world's best footballers and they will be kicking goals from the pocket. How hard is it to fumble a Sherrin around. Even "good" AFL players can barely hold on it. It's laughable how ridiculous these supposed best players are. Absolute rubbish. I agree that inveighing against the AFL is justified and can be fun. But it doesn't actually get football in Australia anywhere. What football needs is to start making a big impact on the Australian sporting cultural landscape again. It did very well in 2005 and 2006 (and even before with Harry and Dukes playing so well in the Premier League). But since then things have been rather lacklustre. Touch, skill and technical ability are the hardest parts of football to master. But they can be mastered. One huge challenge for Australian football is working out the best way for Australian footballers to master those things. But there's another problem. Those things, in and of themselves, usually aren't sufficient for producing world-class footballers in positions of striker, fantasista and wide players; i.e. touch and technical ability aren't enough for Australia's current problem positions. They're simply some of the crucial components. Crucial, nevertheless. But not the whole picture. World-class footballers in those areas tend to be very fast and agile and have outstanding co-ordination. Those areas can be improved in the individual with practice and knowledge, but they supreme ability there tends to be rather innate. And for that, Australian football needs access to the best Australian athletes there are. Unfortunately, the AFL has rather a profound influence in procuring those type of athletes.What needs to happen is they need to grow up playing football. Or else, Australia will not improve particularly much at football except by extreme fluke. Your comment doesn't hold true for NSW and to a lesser extent Qld. AFL has a niche market in NSW being the smallest of the 4 codes there and although it is trying to grow its penetration of the market only about 5% of AFL listed players come from NSW with about half of those historically from the small population in the Riverina. The number of registered football players in NSW/ACT is about 300k which is about twice what the AFL has in Victoria so in NSW we have a resource of talent to mine unequalled in the country for any code. In NSW the issue isn't other codes taking the cream of the crop of athletes but our code not having the funds to provide the opportunity to the young players coming through. I love how the AFL "sympathisers" for lack of a better word love to trudge out this same mantra ie that the best Athletes are naturally funneling into AFL. Simply not the case. The first problem is measuring this after all there is no benchmark for the AFL in any other country which to measure against. The closest we come to is Ireland and their semi-professional players beat AFL players on a regular basis. Is it skill or perhaps Athleticism that they are beating us on. Hard to measure. Perhaps the best Athletes aren't moving to AFL because the so called best Athlete's can't even beat semi-professional Irishmen. Considering football is also popular in Ireland perhaps the best Athletes are playing football in Ireland which would make those losses seem even worse. Our best and Athletic players in AFL can't beat the best of the rest Athletes in Ireland. The best who would be naturally funneling into football or perhaps hurling. What we are seeing more and more is that young players are playing football. There are hardly enough football fields for kids to play on while AFL fields are empty and this is in the state of Victoria. So if these are really the best Athletes in Australia playing AFL then it can only get worse before it gets better. This is the AFLs Zenith. Your Welcome
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This Roar expert wrote an article about which sport produces the best athlete. It makes for interesting reading: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/06/08/australian-sport-produces-greatest-athletes-part-one-afl/
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+x+xYou can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer. Actually, it's genes which determine your athleticism. You can improve what you have, but if you're a short, squat clog hopper, you will forever remain that regardless of how hard you work at it. David Luiz did not become a superb 1.9m athlete merely by working hard - genes had a lot to do with it. Mate, check these shot squat clog hoppers resumes out off the top of my head Gerd Muller Thomas Hessler Lothar Mathhaus Dragan Stojkovic Andrea Pirlo Bruno Conti Michael Mifsud. Oh well can't win em all.
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+x+x+xYou can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer. Actually, it's genes which determine your athleticism. You can improve what you have, but if you're a short, squat clog hopper, you will forever remain that regardless of how hard you work at it. David Luiz did not become a superb 1.9m athlete merely by working hard - genes had a lot to do with it. Mate, check these shot squat clog hoppers resumes out off the top of my head Gerd Muller Thomas Hessler Lothar Mathhaus Dragan Stojkovic Andrea Pirlo Bruno Conti Michael Mifsud. Oh well can't win em all. Yes, but in each of the teams these short squat clog hoppers played in, they played alongside great athletic players - you knew that right? PLease tell me you already knew that. I would be immensely disappointed if you didn't know that. YOu can't put out a team full of midgets, but you can certainly carry a few midgets. YOu can look through decades of great teams, and for every short squat clog hoppper, you can find great players who were fine athletes (for every maradona, there's a Pele, for every Messi there's a Cristiano). Surely you don't expect that a shortass like PIrlo could bookend either end of the pitch? Surely you don't think that.
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+x+x+x+xYou can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer. Actually, it's genes which determine your athleticism. You can improve what you have, but if you're a short, squat clog hopper, you will forever remain that regardless of how hard you work at it. David Luiz did not become a superb 1.9m athlete merely by working hard - genes had a lot to do with it. Mate, check these shot squat clog hoppers resumes out off the top of my head Gerd Muller Thomas Hessler Lothar Mathhaus Dragan Stojkovic Andrea Pirlo Bruno Conti Michael Mifsud. Oh well can't win em all. Yes, but in each of the teams these sort squat clog hoppers played in, they played alongside great athletic players - you knew that right? PLease tell me you already knew that. I would be immensely disappointed if you didn't know that. YOu can't put out a team full of midgets, but you can certainly carry a few midgets. YOu can look through decades of great teams, and for every short squat clog hoppper, you can find great players who were fine athletes (for every maradona, there's a Pele, for every Messi there's a Cristiano). Surely you don't expect that a shortass like PIrlo could bookend either end of the pitch? Surely you don't think that. Yeah but football players don't get a interchange after every 5-10 minutes, a massage or a regular drink of water from a trainer running on the field.
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+x+x+x+x+xYou can build an athlete but you can't build a footballer. Actually, it's genes which determine your athleticism. You can improve what you have, but if you're a short, squat clog hopper, you will forever remain that regardless of how hard you work at it. David Luiz did not become a superb 1.9m athlete merely by working hard - genes had a lot to do with it. Mate, check these shot squat clog hoppers resumes out off the top of my head Gerd Muller Thomas Hessler Lothar Mathhaus Dragan Stojkovic Andrea Pirlo Bruno Conti Michael Mifsud. Oh well can't win em all. Yes, but in each of the teams these sort squat clog hoppers played in, they played alongside great athletic players - you knew that right? PLease tell me you already knew that. I would be immensely disappointed if you didn't know that. YOu can't put out a team full of midgets, but you can certainly carry a few midgets. YOu can look through decades of great teams, and for every short squat clog hoppper, you can find great players who were fine athletes (for every maradona, there's a Pele, for every Messi there's a Cristiano). Surely you don't expect that a shortass like PIrlo could bookend either end of the pitch? Surely you don't think that. Yeah but football players don't get a interchange after every 5-10 minutes, a massage or a regular drink of water from a trainer running on the field. Although in the A-League, we do introduce drink breaks during the warmer months, and rightly so.
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