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+x+xGallop could introduce P&R That'll bring things back into FFA control Promotion and Relgation wont do much. Let me guess, P and R is also a cure for cancer I see. I rather this fight for money gets sorted out sooner rather than later. It would make the fight so much easier/clearer.
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+x+x+x+xThe HAL is run as a franchise system with the clubs being issues licenses to participate. FFA as the master franchisor controls & owns everything, the intellectual property, the names, the brands, team colors, websites. Everything. If your interested in seeing what options current Franchise owners have, just google how Clive Palmer & Gold Coast untied went when they took on the FFA when they pulled Clive's license. With regard to setting up a rebel league, assuming current owners would be able to get past non-compete clauses in their license agreements (which will be there without a doubt), how many HAL fans will swap to Sydney City FC, Western Sydney Rovers or Melbourne Victorious, each wearing different team colors as FFA owns current strips? Doubt many would, so value of tv deals or sponsorship would be minimal. Also other than the big 3, the other teams are already on their knees financially so where will funds to set up new clubs & league come from? Plus as we have seen in the past with GC, Brisbane and Newcastle, if current owners pull the pin, FFA could just take over the running of the teams themselves, costs would be covered by the Fox TV money and they could then flog them to new owners when they wanted. The average fan doesn't care who the owners are. Personally I believe many of the current issues are caused by the lack of a traditional "football club" organisation in the HAL, but unfortunately, the current system is based on the "Jim's Mowing" business model and Jim (FFA) is the king. Good summation. Most people on 442 forums (and editorial staff) will never understand it and they will somehow think that this A League is something it can never be. The "Owners" are the actual worst thing about the League. Always have been. Lowy Sr. knew that would be the case apparently and set it up to protect the League itself and more, from them. Think about this for a minute. For $5M a foreign privately held entity can buy a portion of it. At the moment, that investment allows them to operate in a sandbox where they have no power and limited influence. That could all change dramatically. Horribly. If those owners, by way of their very small investment on a global scale, get control of the national football organisation then we have something completely different and scary happening. There would be absolutely nothing to stop them stripping the asset and throwing the husk away. That's the complete reversal of the current situation. While it's arguable that these owners bought in with their eyes open, the same can't be said for everybody that has a stake in Football in this country. You might be asking where your $6.00 registration fee goes now? You really want to be asking that question of a future organisation which is to be run exclusively for the benefit of foreign and a couple of local billionaires? You trust these people? Let me remind you: Brisbane - Indonesian. Sydney - Russian. Wellington - New Zealand. Newcastle - China. Central Coast - English. Melbourne City - Abu Dhabi. The other remaining four are at least Australian, but there are only two that I would trust to run a football club for the benefit of football above anything else. This isn't a xenophobic rant - it's a comment that if your only stake in this country is to extract money from it, then you have to be dealt with as a banker-investor not as a benevolent benefactor who has the warm and fuzzy about advancing football here. They may be a bunch of idealists but they don't look like it from this distance. The A League has to die as it currently exists. It worked for the best part of 10 years but now it is apparent that it is holding back the professional game here. Above and beyond that, it now threatens all that lies beyond the professional game. The crown jewels are the million people that have nothing to do with the A League and sure as hell don't want the faux-clubs running their organisation and putting their interests behind the further enrichment of already very rich people. We do need a new ownership model (vis a vis the current A League model). If the League cannot be held separate from the mainstream organisation then it is a very real problem. Creating an independent professional League body will be a requirement whether the same League is kept and adjusted, or a totally new one is formed. It will have to be responsible for its own fortunes and future, but failure should not threaten anything beyond its remit. The FFA should give it rope, but retain a hand on it so that cannot get quasi-control of the whole sport here. There is time and opportunity now (only just arisen really) whereby the FFA could create a completely new body to run Professional Football but bind it to an expansive model broadly governed by the FIFA statutes. Anybody stepping into the Professional game in Australia would immediately know where the short and long term lies and so informed, could choose their path. If I was FFA I would take two seriously disruptive steps and one big brave one: 1. Tell the A League Clubs that they can take it or leave it. If they say "we'll leave" say goodbye to them. Issue new franchises to make up the numbers if necessary. There are very willing players in each "market" that would step up. Players suddenly out of contract would be snapped up again. Easier actually than starting from scratch. Ugly, but very very workable. 2. Simultaneously with above, announce the creation of a body to independently run the Professional game in Australia. It should be constituted by truly independent people with the majority of the expertise brought in from abroad initially. Japan, Germany and perhaps the US might be good places to start looking - not so much Bern(e). The body would have to be in place and fully running the pro game here 2018-2019 with a clearly timetabled transition. 3. "Balls move" (as if the others aren't). Genuinely reform the Congress so that it is truly representative. Stephen Lowy doesn't want to be doing this shit for the rest of his life, so his best move is to create a power structure that is genuinely democratic and move on from the benevolent oligarchy. Fill the Congress with seats and votes that cover all the interests of the game nationally and thereby insure against the seizure of control by narrow and greedy interests (or benevolent ones) because if you look at the long history of the game in this country - that is the path that it has always taken and then fallen by. Democracy is inefficient and frustrating but it is enduring and ultimately enriching. Great post and you highlight an important aspect whatever we get or move too must be better than what we have now ... Agree totally on each of your three points especially number 2... Midfileder, you are a turkey voting for Christmas, If they start again its bye-bye Mariners LoL AS this unfolds, it's definitely a case of: be careful what you wish for.
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+xExcellent summation of what the privatisation of the game has done to Aust football.One point to add:How much of the money received for selling Mooy do u estimate the Abu Dahbi owners of Melb City will invest in Australia football ?My guess : next to nothing. How do we invest & grow football in Aust with the current model ? Melbourne City lost 8 million in its first season. That is a net investment flow in to Australian football. They built multi million dollar training facilities. That is an investment. They bought the cub. That is an investment. They have already spent more than what they earned from the Mooy deal before they even knew they would have a Mooy. Your guess it not even close.
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+x+xThe A League raises $75m in revenues which: $26m goes to clubs for salaries $10m is spent on marketing $5m is spent on administration $2m is spent on FFA salary That leaves $34m for the rest of football. That works out at about $60 per registered player per year. The HAL is NOT cross-funding teh rest of foootball, there is not enough money there Is that $75 million combined tv money, finals revenue, sponsorship revenue (Hyundai etc) and comission from club merchandise sales plus outright merchandise sales plus $250000 per A-League club game against Europans teams? No one really knows exactly what revenues the FFA has and from where but tellingly no one from the FFA has ever tried to distance themselves from the number, $75-$80m on the old TV contract seems to be "acceptable".One FFA insider once told me he thought the FFA could fund a national second division just out of efficiency and cost savings at the FFA alone, dont know how true it is but it is believable
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+x+xExcellent summation of what the privatisation of the game has done to Aust football.One point to add:How much of the money received for selling Mooy do u estimate the Abu Dahbi owners of Melb City will invest in Australia football ?My guess : next to nothing. How do we invest & grow football in Aust with the current model ? Melbourne City lost 8 million in its first season. That is a net investment flow in to Australian football. They built multi million dollar training facilities. That is an investment. They bought the cub. That is an investment. They have already spent more than what they earned from the Mooy deal before they even knew they would have a Mooy. Your guess it not even close. As a South's man I have plenty of disdain for both Melbourne sides squatting on our licence. But it is impossible to argue that CFG have not made a major financial investment in to teh Sport well above the sale of Mooy
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+x+xExcellent summation of what the privatisation of the game has done to Aust football.One point to add:How much of the money received for selling Mooy do u estimate the Abu Dahbi owners of Melb City will invest in Australia football ?My guess : next to nothing. How do we invest & grow football in Aust with the current model ? Melbourne City lost 8 million in its first season. That is a net investment flow in to Australian football. They built multi million dollar training facilities. That is an investment. They bought the cub. That is an investment. They have already spent more than what they earned from the Mooy deal before they even knew they would have a Mooy. Your guess it not even close. Add to this a fully funded women's side and yeah, CFG are doing more than their fair share for the domestic scene tbh - even if their men's team is a basketcase.
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The point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally.
In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.
The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth?
Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation.
Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum.
Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.
Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :)
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+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) Sure, they are in the business of developing players and enhancing their brand by winning stuff, for which they invest the requisite infrastructure and resources. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense
They don't just have a Womens and Youth team, they have the benchmark womens and youth teams.
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+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) To be fair, that public park you speak of is adjacent to some of the best sports facilities in the country in AAMI Park - there is a reason why the Victory, Demons, Storm and Rebels all have their administrative and training base situated within AAMI Park. If anything, Victory having the best facilities (at least for their senior side) in the country at AAMI Park has been quite detrimental to the development of an Academy/training base as there has been no incentive to move - City had that incentive, hence why the excellent facilities were built at Bundoora.
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True Walnuts.
MVFC use all the gym, recovery facilities @ AAMI Park which is apparently first class.
Melbourne Demons also use Gosch's paddock too and it hasn't been a hindrance to them either.
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+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) To be fair, that public park you speak of is adjacent to some of the best sports facilities in the country in AAMI Park - there is a reason why the Victory, Demons, Storm and Rebels all have their administrative and training base situated within AAMI Park. If anything, Victory having the best facilities (at least for their senior side) in the country at AAMI Park has been quite detrimental to the development of an Academy/training base as there has been no incentive to move - City had that incentive, hence why the excellent facilities were built at Bundoora. I heard on SEN the other day that the Victory had been investigating building a facility at Footscray Park, across the river from Flemington, next door to the Victoria University campus which has an excellent sports science program. From memory, Footscray Rugby used to be located at Footscray Park.
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+xTrue Walnuts. MVFC use all the gym, recovery facilities @ AAMI Park which is apparently first class. Melbourne Demons also use Gosch's paddock too and it hasn't been a hindrance to them either. I think there is also sports medicine specialists who have their practices in AAMI Park, so they can get everything done in the one location. It really is a world class facility, and Gosch's Paddock has always looked in immaculate condition. Besides, I think it's nice that the players are 'easily accessible' for the public - they can simply come down and watch the team go through their paces.
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+x+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) To be fair, that public park you speak of is adjacent to some of the best sports facilities in the country in AAMI Park - there is a reason why the Victory, Demons, Storm and Rebels all have their administrative and training base situated within AAMI Park. If anything, Victory having the best facilities (at least for their senior side) in the country at AAMI Park has been quite detrimental to the development of an Academy/training base as there has been no incentive to move - City had that incentive, hence why the excellent facilities were built at Bundoora. I heard on SEN the other day that the Victory had been investigating building a facility at Footscray Park, across the river from Flemington, next door to the Victoria University campus which has an excellent sports science program. From memory, Footscray Rugby used to be located at Footscray Park. I believe it's progressed a little further than investigating - it's now at the negotiation stage with Council and all the red tape associated with that. But yes, that is the plan put forward by the club - nice central location in Victory heartland and marry it up with the sports science program at Victoria University.
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So the point still stands.
To date they're renting public parks & have no 'hard' assets. The same applies for most HAL franchises. They are complying with the minimum standards required.
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+xSo the point still stands.To date they're renting public parks & have no 'hard' assets. The same applies for most HAL franchises. They are complying with the minimum standards required. It's not that unusual for all forms of professional football clubs in Australia to use facilities which are community-owned.
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+x+x+xHow many Melbourne Victory members are football fans first and Victory fans second? I'm genuinely afraid to guess. That's a tough question, but I genuinely see myself as both. Many members of this forum would be the same. Many of my mates are the same as well. But there can't be too many of us. Hypothetical question for you, if the owners of Victory shut down the club and started a new team with different name & different colours (remember these belong to FFA), would you change over and support them? Melbourne Gypsies 
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+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort
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+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort I'm not sure Canada warrants such a response. For starters, no single person can be a major part of the problem (apart from maybe one candidate who set the whole thing up). Also, you correctly point out that football does not need another faction driven agenda, but as we speak, there already exist at least two distinct factions with their own agendas, and I would suggest that no poster on this board is responsible for that being the case.
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+x+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort I'm not sure Canada warrants such a response. For starters, no single person can be a major part of the problem (apart from maybe one candidate who set the whole thing up). Also, you correctly point out that football does not need another faction driven agenda, but as we speak, there already exist at least two distinct factions with their own agendas, and I would suggest that no poster on this board is responsible for that being the case. Youre an AFL stooge. GO AWAY your opinion does not count here
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+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort @ Canada70 If you feel you do not warrant such a response then I await YOUR reply and not some AFL duch-bag. Football needs a uniting force not a divisive force. If you look at your constant critical posts on the HAL how do you expect them to listen and cooperate? The HAL revenues could be shared to create a national division 2 but we need them to cooperate with us not be threatened by us
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+x+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort @ Canada70 If you feel you do not warrant such a response then I await YOUR reply and not some AFL duch-bag. Football needs a uniting force not a divisive force. If you look at your constant critical posts on the HAL how do you expect them to listen and cooperate? The HAL revenues could be shared to create a national division 2 but we need them to cooperate with us not be threatened by us Stacks of posters are putting up critical posts about the HAL and FFA. Why are you picking on Canada?
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+x+x+xThe point I was trying to make was that private business syndicates are predominantly looking at pocketing windfalls or growing a business to on sell it, rather than plowing any windfalls locally. In regards to the Abu Dhabi owners, they bought a very undercapitalised joke of a franchise. The Heart group if you all recall, were using wheelie bins for their players' ice baths. It certainly needed basic amenities. Just to get it out of that embarrassing situation.The question I raise again is: how much of the future windfalls do we expect these private businesses to invest in Australia's football growth? Melbourne Victory train their senior players out of a public park where you can walk your dog and many A-League clubs are in a similar situation. Hence, investing in the minimum requirements that are stipulated in their A-League licenses Is not anything special but the expected minimum. Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense.Please don't make me delve into to much explanation for obvious points we all should be aware of, particularly before I've had a couple of coffees :) You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough". NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort @ Canada70 If you look at your constant critical posts on the HAL how do you expect them to listen and cooperate? Hang on, did someone expect that? I thought it was just a bit of fun or a school project sort of thing?
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First thing people need to always do BEFORE they begin down the road of Reform is: A) understand the root causes of failures B) then work through the entrails of the process & look at the dependencies or linkages that produced those failiures C) then study the results of the repercussions that those dependencies created (the list is on other threads) Thats just a basic summary Now the points I've made in reference to the HAL clubs i think are valid. The Aleague model/experiment is in many ways over. It's only a matter of time now. The FFA has said much the same, that's why they have brought in Deloittes to look at a different/sustainable model. See FFA statement 28 Feb 2017 So the Aussie franchise football club model with its "unique" licencing system lends itself to mediocrity & has brought us to where we are today. If there is anyone that thinks " that all is ok & dandy" they are either fools or been living under a rock. We need to look beyond our support of franchises or clubs. Now there's half of the HAL clubs that want to maintain the current monopoly & are fighting the reforms. They are probably on here scribing their thoughts. And I understand them as they are looking at an environment of change that will probably force them to compete. To compete costs more money, I understand that. But that's way the game operates world wide. Remembering the HAL franchises assumed they had a 20 year monopoly (from June 2013 to 2033) !! So by privatising our game in 2005 we now have to untangle it. It's gonna hurt. People's intentions back then might have been noble, no problem, but the end result is we now need to reform the game & migrate it to a normal international accepted model or FIFA will forcibly do it for us. In Victoria they have full promotion/ relegation from state teams to NPL 2 to NPL & back the other way. Fullback4 please check your facts. By the way : HAL clubs are charging kids in Sydney $2500 for their "junior Academies" too. And they are private businesses !! NPL clubs are all non-for profit member based clubs so whatever they charge goes back to the club & football. Certainly not to shareholders. You gotta check your facts please. Do NPL clubs need to improve? Ofcourse they do. Do we have to reform the game? Fucken oath we do. Anyway Gotta take the missus out, it's her birthday. Last thing: This announcent below is significant. It all but gurantees massive reforms coming soon. 
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Rob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel??
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+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League...
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+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? Should we all start trolling him with tweets. Not in a nasty way.
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+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League... It would be amusing if expansion came in the form of a second division and he had to win promotion... on the other hand would he buy into a second division?
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aussie scott21
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+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? Should we all start trolling him with tweets. Not in a nasty way. I asked him a question
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aussie scott21
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+x+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League... It would be amusing if expansion came in the form of a second division and he had to win promotion... on the other hand would he buy into a second division? They would/should just play as Brisbane City in that instance.
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