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+x+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League... It would be amusing if expansion came in the form of a second division and he had to win promotion... on the other hand would he buy into a second division? As soon as a potential A-league owner is against something you know it must be a good idea. P & R already keeping him on his toes and he doesn't like it. No one should just have an automatic right to the top tier. This is football.
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Waz
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Ha Ha @ ckeanslater 😂 saw that. Let's see if he replies
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? Should we all start trolling him with tweets. Not in a nasty way. I asked him a question Yeah I saw that. I thought it was a reasonably question. But yes his business plan would be in tatters :D
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I nearly chocked on my marinara!!
So we have a potential new owner wishing to join a private business monopoly, arguing against a tried & tested world wide system that rewards excellence, merit & hard work.
I'm just so surprised !!
That's indicative of the incredible mediocrity & flawed thinking we've been acclimatised to.
I think he needs to do some more reading of where things are heading. He's a bit behind the news.
Fortunately for the game, reform is now inevitable.
I'm going back to my now cold pasta. Good night
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+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League... Precisely why we need to question what things would be like if the 10 club owners controlled the A-League tomorrow. There are no guarantees that they would opt to diminish their investments by giving themselves a one in ten chance of being relegated. Also, it's a brave assumption that they would willingly share a pretty low revenue base with a bunch of semi-pro clubs.
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One last thing I promise What happened to FullBack4 I responded to his queries Just in case he missed it, I've copied it here too. ---------------- First thing people need to always do BEFORE they begin down the road of Reform is: A) understand the root causes of failures B) then work through the entrails of the process & look at the dependencies or linkages that produced those failiures C) then study the results of the repercussions that those dependencies created (the list is on other threads) Thats just a basic summary Now the points I've made in reference to the HAL clubs i think are valid. The Aleague model/experiment is in many ways over. It's only a matter of time now. The FFA has said much the same, that's why they have brought in Deloittes to look at a different/sustainable model. See FFA statement 28 Feb 2017 So the Aussie franchise football club model with its "unique" licencing system lends itself to mediocrity & has brought us to where we are today. If there is anyone that thinks " that all is ok & dandy" they are either fools or been living under a rock. We need to look beyond our support of franchises or clubs. Now there's half of the HAL clubs that want to maintain the current monopoly & are fighting the reforms. They are probably on here scribing their thoughts. And I understand them as they are looking at an environment of change that will probably force them to compete. To compete costs more money, I understand that. But that's the way the game operates world wide. Remembering the HAL franchises assumed they had a 20 year monopoly (from June 2013 to 2033) !! So by privatising our game in 2005 we now have to untangle it. It's gonna hurt. People's intentions back then might have been noble, no problem, but the end result is we now need to reform the game & migrate it to a normal international accepted model or FIFA will forcibly do it for us. In Victoria they have full promotion/ relegation from state teams to NPL 2 to NPL & back the other way. Fullback4 please check your facts. By the way : HAL clubs are charging kids in Sydney $2500 for their "junior Academies" too. And they are private businesses !! NPL clubs are all non-for profit member based clubs so whatever they charge goes back to the club & football. Certainly not to shareholders. You gotta check your facts please. Do NPL clubs need to improve? Ofcourse they do. Do we have to reform the game? Fucken oath we do. Anyway Gotta take the missus out, it's her birthday. Last thing: This announcent below is significant. It all but gurantees massive reforms coming soon.
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So FFV will support the proposed 13 seat Commission model, if they can receive certain guarantees and a timeline for the intro of a 2nd division and P&R..
Now this is the most important bit of the FFV's statement: they don't trust the HAL clubs any more than they trust the FFA.
And with good reason.
This is actually more complicated than what many on here realise.
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+x+x+x+xRob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel?? Should we all start trolling him with tweets. Not in a nasty way. I asked him a question Yeah I saw that. I thought it was a reasonably question. But yes his business plan would be in tatters :D
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Brisbane City not part of the AAFC. Getting absolutely taken to the cleaners.
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Reading those tweets it's appears to me that Brisbane City have been given the green light and they'll be in the league in 12 months with $12mill and a broadcast/capacity standard stadium(although this stadium tweet appears deleted now)
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Someone quiz him a hypothetical if HAL expansion happened in the form of a second division would Brisbane city still want part and if he would still invest?
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+xReading those tweets it's appears to me that Brisbane City have been given the green light and they'll be in the league in 12 months with $12mill and a broadcast/capacity standard stadium(although this stadium tweet appears deleted now)
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+xSomeone quiz him a hypothetical if HAL expansion happened in the form of a second division would Brisbane city still want part and if he would still invest? IM not sure if this answers your question....
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@scott
Cheers for that
I find Twitter so confusing. It's like a labyrinth
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"Come up with a list of NPL clubs that can come up with $12m within 2 months?"
"The NPL won't be ready for promotion for ten years"
"Come up with a list of NPL clubs that can come up with a broadcast ready stadium today"
To be fair to Cavallucci all these are fair statements but re-enforce the wrong thinking.
We need a commitment to a pyramid system that changes thinking to "how do we make it work". P/R doesn't exist in NPL/BPL QLD so Cavallucci is regurgitating the current local situation.
The NPL is not the second tier of football, at best it's the third tier - that's why a national second division is crucial and must run in parallel to the HAL. Within 10 years it can be ready.
Stadiums are not broadcast ready in the second tier, correct - no argument. Some clubs don't even have stadiums but again why can't we start improvements on that - lights, big screens, temporary stand planning, infrastructure investment?? A 11k minimum capacity can't be that hard?
The problem is not what Cavallucci has said, bug that this is the thinking of the ffa who care about themselves, the Socceroos and only see the HAL as a cash cow to find the first two b
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On someone's earlier comment "reading between the lines, FCBC see themselves as already in" .... that is astute, they do, and they do believe that. The battle for a second Brisbane team is over as far as they are concerned and as far as Fox are concerned.
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+xOn someone's earlier comment "reading between the lines, FCBC see themselves as already in" .... that is astute, they do, and they do believe that. The battle for a second Brisbane team is over as far as they are concerned and as far as Fox are concerned. This is exactly the entitlement that we need to weed out. This sort of thinking is dragging football down and causing this stagnation and malaise. What's worse is that he is supposed to be a "football" person and he still doesn't get it.
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Agree. Again another ffa stuff-up over what the expansion criteria is and how the process runs. Cavallucci and Co basically seem to have pitched to FoxSports again and again to the point where Fox only see one credible brisbane bid.
Mind you, the stadium situation is still the biggest roadblock and there is now a political interest (due to the coming election) in putting a stadium on the agenda. Roar, the FFA and BNE2 would be smart in combining efforts to try and make that happen.
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+x@ RBB Agree. Again another ffa stuff-up over what the expansion criteria is and how the process runs. Cavallucci and Co basically seem to have pitched to FoxSports again and again to the point where Fox only see one credible brisbane bid. Mind you, the stadium situation is still the biggest roadblock and there is now a political interest (due to the coming election) in putting a stadium on the agenda. Roar, the FFA and BNE2 would be smart in combining efforts to try and make that happen. The political scene up here is hotting up with a real race for the Premier's chair on so, as you say, a real chance for the FFA to put some serious effort into lobbying for a new/upgraded stadium in the Brisbane metrop area. Pity they (the FFA) can only do one thing at a time, just not sure what that one thing is at the moment!
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+x "Come up with a list of NPL clubs that can come up with a broadcast ready stadium today" Show me which HAL clubs have their own (not leased) broadcast ready stadium
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@ AJF
That's a flippant statement that misses a point that needs addressing.
But every HAL team has its own broadcast ready stadium, it's not about owning it it's about having access to one, and one quickly (within 3-6 months)
So let's say Strikers get promoted where will they play? Not Suncorp because there is no room, so where?
And what if the side promoted is from Ipswich or Toowoomba is promoted where would they play? Brisbane?
What if 4 Victorian sides get promoted - are they all going to try and play out of AAMI park. That would be fucking madness. Imagine a side from Ballarat playing there lol
It's a valid question and the HAL teams are not relevant to the discussion - they were all selected/created based on where the stadiums were but p/r doesn't work that way - and the NPL sides have the basic infrastructure they just need a plan and funding to develop that.
There's a place called Dolphin park in Brisbane's north, it's a great little stadium built for a lower tier RL team - why can't every second division team have a stadium like that then this question goes away??
Or we can just bitch about HAL sides?
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+x And what if the side promoted is from Ipswich or Toowoomba is promoted where would they play? Ipswich or Toowoomba
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+x@ AJF That's a flippant statement that misses a point that needs addressing. But every HAL team has its own broadcast ready stadium, it's not about owning it it's about having access to one, and one quickly (within 3-6 months) So let's say Strikers get promoted where will they play? Not Suncorp because there is no room, so where? And what if the side promoted is from Ipswich or Toowoomba is promoted where would they play? Brisbane? What if 4 Victorian sides get promoted - are they all going to try and play out of AAMI park. That would be fucking madness. Imagine a side from Ballarat playing there lol It's a valid question and the HAL teams are not relevant to the discussion - they were all selected/created based on where the stadiums were but p/r doesn't work that way - and the NPL sides have the basic infrastructure they just need a plan and funding to develop that. There's a place called Dolphin park in Brisbane's north, it's a great little stadium built for a lower tier RL team - why can't every second division team have a stadium like that then this question goes away??Or we can just bitch about HAL sides? It doesn't make much difference regardless. Every league in the world has its share of big and small clubs. While it's nice to have every club Equalized (Where have I heard that B4) it's not possible, nor should we aim for that. The biggest and best will rise to that position over time. Most clubs in big leagues are built off the back of tv money. Nothing wrong with some teams with small stadiums that are packed with great atmosphere. If in the end they aren't good enough they will get relegated.
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+x+x@ AJF That's a flippant statement that misses a point that needs addressing. But every HAL team has its own broadcast ready stadium, it's not about owning it it's about having access to one, and one quickly (within 3-6 months) So let's say Strikers get promoted where will they play? Not Suncorp because there is no room, so where? And what if the side promoted is from Ipswich or Toowoomba is promoted where would they play? Brisbane? What if 4 Victorian sides get promoted - are they all going to try and play out of AAMI park. That would be fucking madness. Imagine a side from Ballarat playing there lol It's a valid question and the HAL teams are not relevant to the discussion - they were all selected/created based on where the stadiums were but p/r doesn't work that way - and the NPL sides have the basic infrastructure they just need a plan and funding to develop that. There's a place called Dolphin park in Brisbane's north, it's a great little stadium built for a lower tier RL team - why can't every second division team have a stadium like that then this question goes away??Or we can just bitch about HAL sides? It doesn't make much difference regardless. Every league in the world has its share of big and small clubs. While it's nice to have every club Equalized (Where have I heard that B4) it's not possible, nor should we aim for that. The biggest and best will rise to that position over time. Most clubs in big leagues are built off the back of tv money. Nothing wrong with some teams with small stadiums that are packed with great atmosphere. If in the end they aren't good enough they will get relegated. That's the AFL and ARL mentality coming through into the A-League. They want all this equalisation crap so that all clubs have an equal chance to win over a couple of seasons. Time for this thinking to go. As much I would like all teams to have a go at the title, it makes more sense that the league should have its 1-3 big clubs and then the rest to fill out the ladder.
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We have countless bids offering up to build stadium because their is an opportunity for a HAL side. Give some of the NPL sides a reason to invest through pro/rel and they just might.
It's abit rich for Cavallucci to throw that card out their when all the FCBC investors will be doing is giving a lick of paint, some new seats, etc. to someone else Stadium Down the street.
The infrastructure is already 90% there at Ballymore, some of these other clubs will have to build from the ground up.
There is a huge difference in making over a stadium as opposed to building grandstands etc.
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Exactly that's where they should play. Not friggin move to the nearest big stadium.
But there aren't any facilities in those two City's so instead of letting RL suck up all the grants we need to access that cash and redevelop what we have and what we can.
Brisbane City could have their own boutique stadium at Spencer 'Corporate Travel Managenent' Park but instead they've chosen to refurbish a rugby ground. Why???
And Strikers have a perfect location but plan on moving into Suncorp where there is literally no room.
Pen Power will be taking their FFA Cup game v City to Dolphin Park, a RL ground. The pattern needs breaking.
The FFA (unlikely) or the AAFC need a plan, it's not hard but it won't happen on its own
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The best thing about P&R will be the investment that will be done at 2nd & 3rd tier level and this will also push those at the A-league level to maintain and exceed their own standards.
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@ RBB
That's exactly what I'm saying. We should have a mix of big and small stadiums. That's exactly MY point.
But those small stadiums aren't ready - most don't even have floodlights fit for tv.
But Dolphin RL did it and they have zero prospect of getting promotion to the NRL. So it can be done so rather than slag Cavallucci off for the comment I'm saying we accept the criticism and go build/expand/redevelop small stadiums. I'd go as far as prioritising clubs with their own stadiums not those planning to refurbish a competitors - I'd like to see the look on Cavallucci'a face then lol
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+x@ RBB That's exactly what I'm saying. We should have a mix of big and small stadiums. That's exactly MY point. But those small stadiums aren't ready - most don't even have floodlights fit for tv. But Dolphin RL did it and they have zero prospect of getting promotion to the NRL. So it can be done so rather than slag Cavallucci off for the comment I'm saying we accept the criticism and go build/expand/redevelop small stadiums. I'd go as far as prioritising clubs with their own stadiums not those planning to refurbish a competitors - I'd like to see the look on Cavallucci'a face then lol The whole point is we need to plan for this like you said. If everyone for example knows the criteria of stadiums, lighting, money expected etc etc etc then clubs will invest. If there is forward thinking and something to aim for then clubs will invest ie We aim to have a 2nd tier in 5 yrs time or whatever the time frame is, people will work towards it. Right now of course there would be few clubs ready to come up with 12m, that's not the point. Why would clubs look to invest and plan for something on the back of a maybe and no certainty or any criteria.
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HA ha AdamOsAussies' serial pest tweeting is basically the reason I stopped going on twitter for football content
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