stream looks like it was shot on a 8mm camera.

We're dominating.  Vietnam in a closed up 4-4-2 and we're starting to get in behind especially down the left.  Finding a few gaps in the lines as well but they are closed out quick. They aren't shy about tackling from behind either.

0-1.  Failed to clear it and well they didn't need a second chance/

vietnam score

vietnam have a ring of 5 players around our 6 at all times pretty much shutting them out of the game
doing so has left space on the wings which we have tried to exploit mainly on the lhs

another fine coaching performance from vidmar

FMD same formula.  CB tries stupid pass - gets it intercepted, over the top to CF and trouble...

I know we are chasing goals but we might need to replace one of our 10s with a deep lying playmaker so our 6 isn't isolated

Can't figure out what we're trying to do out there.  Don't seem to have any speed.  The CBs are often cut off from the halves.  The front is static and the whole lot has the shape of a stranded jellyfish.

So down 2-0 at halftime with Vietnam pretty much inside their half the whole match. The ball pretty much with the Australias centre backs who eventually coff it up to the fast Vietnamese fowards who hit on the break.

When our youth national teams were getting to finals,who were the coaches?Were they better than the inexperienced coaches we are using these days? .

Perfectly described.

don't watch the ball watch the 5 vietnamese players around our six

they cut off the passing angles to him and double team him if he gets near the ball. Then if its a turnover its 5 on 3

one of the 10s needs to drop back and create new links between the defence and attack or our wing play needs to be more effective

I think it was guys like Les Scheinflug.  But you have to remember we only had to put away the might of the Solomon Islands to get to the big stage.

If we selected a strong tall fast team and played 4-1-4-1 we would win every year and produce crap seniors......

It's the same old really, they give us the ball on our half we hold it as much as we can till we can't find an opening, and once we lost it our CBs get exposed on the the counter and we concede.

Rinse and repeat, we just bloody never learn do we? Its too predictable for our opponents thats why....

True.  We used to beat the Solomons at juniors and then fall at home to their Seniors.  We should bring that back.

Even with a tall team, the main football problem is our inability to play through a squeezing defence, you need not just technically good players but also tactically clever at creating space we have seen it with our youth teams for last few years and it's just the same.

We are make it too easy for them, they just waiting for us to lose the ball and bang they go on the counter and score

this game reminds me of the 2nd greece game with their pressing trap

if we make a tactical change at half time vietnams defence is weeker than greece's and we have a chance (our finishing of course is week)

Try a different system for once instead of playing this 4-1-4-1, maybe move to a back 3 and try to manoeuvre the opponent to change their approach, the NC has a major floor in this and its has confirmed to me

our six is essentially constantly in a 5 on 1 situation and he is the link between the defence and attack. Setting up like that in defence leaves gaps elsewhere

perhaps the players should be able to figure out how to solve the problem on the field but I personally put that down to the coach

My understanding is that the ntc is about producing technical individuals, its up to the coach what system to play

i could be wrong though

woah we got a huge overload in the final third and find a way not to score

and again....

dour finishing aside I'm guessing we must have made a clever tactical change but I haven't figured it out yet

it should be noted that if the finishing is decent we draw level (as well as beating thai in the first game) and the first half is forgotton

for me the biggest flaw in the ntc is that finishing hasn't improved.

looks like no tactical changes we just created those two chances by getting through their press trap

a 10 needs to drop back

The NC only encorages coaches to play 4-3-3 mainly 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-3, same style and approach, this tournament tells me the NC has made our players technically much better but also has exposed a huge flaw which is the overall approach and system used, i now understand why people tell us we are too predictable

yeah but at senior level it only took a few games to adapt to a new system. If you create technical players they can play any system

I think it was guys like Les Scheinflug.  But you have to remember we only had to put away the might of the Solomon Islands to get to the big stage.

It's close to tragic at times.  I might add that there has never been a time in our history when we've produced a crop of great strikers. 

its kind of an unbelievable thing to watch their players cut off any passes to the 6 (how many touches has he had) and so our cbs just pass it between themselves before bombing it down the wings and there being no tactical changes....

Dodgy stream. I've just lost it.

With some of the aforementioned comments, Louis Van Gaal had to work hard to get this system working for Ajax at senior level . One difference is that the Australians always seem to play with an attacking midfield triangle now, instead of a defensive midfield triangle as originally used.

As Grazor has previously suggested, the number 6 is constantly getting crowded by Vietnamese players.