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We will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years. Go fuck yourself Ange you arrogant fraud. It's fucking simple; do not use competitive matched to tinker around with the team, do not reward underperforming players with starting positions, do not try to play formations and tactics that we simply do not have the cattle for. But noooo, "muh Roarcelona will surely work with the NT, Robbie Kruse is our lord and saviour".
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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+xWe will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years.Go fuck yourself Ange you arrogant fraud. It's fucking simple; do not use competitive matched to tinker around with the team, do not reward underperforming players with starting positions, do not try to play formations and tactics that we simply do not have the cattle for. But noooo, "muh Roarcelona will surely work with the NT, Robbie Kruse is our lord and saviour". Bet you weren't saying that when we won the Asian Cup.
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+xWe will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years... Relax a little. Non qualification will allow a purge. It needs to happen.
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+xits strange we won a lot of matches and drew a lot of matches and lost not much but yet we didnt qualify automatically :sick: Drawing matches is just about as bad as losing. What's better: 2 draws.........or 1 win and 1 loss? Ange during his meltdown last night tried to emphasize they only lost one match, conveniently omitting the fact he drew far too many games.
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+xFact is if you had said before the qualifying campaign started that we end up with 5 wins, 4 draws and just 1 loss for a tally of 19 points you would have taken it straight away as 99 times out 100 that would get you in automatically, Probably all true and a well made point.
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+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. I think a bit of luck was astray too ... let's face it not very often does a team hit the post three times and have two or three last minute tackles / off the lines to stop a certain goal. As an international coach you plan to create chances, as you hope the individuals have the skills to finish (as an international coach can't teach them to a player in the week or so he has them before a game). I think too many rushed their shot ... the pressure got to them??? This is where Ange probably had to tell them to settle, take their time and make sure of their shots. The goals would come, if they had composed themselves on the shot a bit more. Ange set the team up to attack and create chances, which they did. It was down to some luck and individuals that they didn't score more. In regards to the lack of crosses in the first half, again that they started to do it more in the second half suggests that Ange had instructed them to do this in the first place but the team hadn't followed through with it in the first half. The only thing that Ange really got wrong last night was the subs. Again not necessarily his fault ... as they were probably the right choices, but all three had little to no effect on the game. Kruse's first touch almost resulted in a goal, but he didn't look likely for the rest of the game. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. Where was Mabil??? Leckie and Gersbach running at the Thai wing backs caused troubles all night, not sure why you wouldn't have introduced someone like Mabil to run at them when they were obviously tired late in the second half. Forget last night. There was some weird voodoo force field shit around the goal. Ange lost us automatic qualification games ago when he stubbornly persisted with his 3 at the back rubbish in games where we had a lead away. At Iraq away in the stands you could see the back 3 was a disaster and the amount of space and danger it was presenting. We literally said 'They will be in in the next 5 minutes' and then right before the long ball you could see the stars align for them. He had ample warning to prevent that goal. He did not want to do anything about it in that match because he always think he's right and the world is against his misunderstood genius. That Iraqi game was probably one of the most disappointing results ... it was the wrong time to introduce a new system that the players were obviously very uncomfortable with. This was probably the worst time for Ange to introduce it. The formation is also unconventional and nothing like any of them have played at club level.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm going to illustrate the three formations which can easily be interchanged on the pitch within the same half, that Ange has failed to do. The defensive midfield 4-3-3: X....................X...................X.................X .................X...............................X ...............................X X............................X.............................X To make the 3-4-3 midfield diamond, a coach can also be termed the 4-3-3 with a 3:1 back four, the two FBs tuck in a bit and one CB plays in front of the other: ....X......................X...................X ............................X ..............X.......................X ...........................X X........................X.....................X To move from the 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle to the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle, the midfield triangle can be inverted. One DM , or number 6, becomes a twin number 10 or twin attacking AM: X..................X.....................X.................X ................................X .................X..............................X X..............................X..........................X The defensive midfield triangle can also be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with the two wingers moving back in a line with the number 10. The attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3 can also become a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, with the two wingers moving back in a line with the twin attacking mids. Yeah once he went to a midfield box he couldn't switch the midfield triangle when we were ahead. Its a small change, so it should be no big deal to implement it. But perhaps ante felt considering our defensive frailties that dominating territory and going for more goals was a better defense given what we had in personnel From the 3-4-2-1, it is difficult to change shape, particularly to ones the players have played a lot at club level and underage football. he really tried to think outside the box (pardon the pun) to cover for four facts 1. that we don't have great fullbacks (although i think gersbach provides a decent option and behich is decent but they both play on the left) 2. our wingers are decent but weak finishers (though not bad defensively) 3. We find it difficult to break a team down with a single number 10. Also our 10s are our best finishers. Its difficult to consistently score enough goals without 2 10s 4. We are defensively too fragile to risk playing without 2 6's I think at club level he prefers more conventional methods But all it did was create new and more sever problems, with the formation we started with in this qualifying campaign we were in the box seat to qualify for the world cup and we looked comfortable in doing so. We change it at a crucial point and we have immensely struggled since, the change to 3 at the back has cost us automatic qualification. yeah it at best broke even for us at worse made things worse. But I can understand why he did it given those problems I think he adopted it after the thailand away game? Who remembers when he first started going voodoo? Iraq away I think.
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+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days. Maclaren was making many great runs when he came on and constantly moving unlike Juric, problem was no one took the risks to pass it to him.
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+x+xWe will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years.Go fuck yourself Ange you arrogant fraud. It's fucking simple; do not use competitive matched to tinker around with the team, do not reward underperforming players with starting positions, do not try to play formations and tactics that we simply do not have the cattle for. But noooo, "muh Roarcelona will surely work with the NT, Robbie Kruse is our lord and saviour". Bet you weren't saying that when we won the Asian Cup. we were lucky to even win that. Cant even beat SK in normal time and they beat us in the group stages, had a fairly easy path to the final as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm going to illustrate the three formations which can easily be interchanged on the pitch within the same half, that Ange has failed to do. The defensive midfield 4-3-3: X....................X...................X.................X .................X...............................X ...............................X X............................X.............................X To make the 3-4-3 midfield diamond, a coach can also be termed the 4-3-3 with a 3:1 back four, the two FBs tuck in a bit and one CB plays in front of the other: ....X......................X...................X ............................X ..............X.......................X ...........................X X........................X.....................X To move from the 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle to the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle, the midfield triangle can be inverted. One DM , or number 6, becomes a twin number 10 or twin attacking AM: X..................X.....................X.................X ................................X .................X..............................X X..............................X..........................X The defensive midfield triangle can also be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with the two wingers moving back in a line with the number 10. The attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3 can also become a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, with the two wingers moving back in a line with the twin attacking mids. Yeah once he went to a midfield box he couldn't switch the midfield triangle when we were ahead. Its a small change, so it should be no big deal to implement it. But perhaps ante felt considering our defensive frailties that dominating territory and going for more goals was a better defense given what we had in personnel From the 3-4-2-1, it is difficult to change shape, particularly to ones the players have played a lot at club level and underage football. he really tried to think outside the box (pardon the pun) to cover for four facts 1. that we don't have great fullbacks (although i think gersbach provides a decent option and behich is decent but they both play on the left) 2. our wingers are decent but weak finishers (though not bad defensively) 3. We find it difficult to break a team down with a single number 10. Also our 10s are our best finishers. Its difficult to consistently score enough goals without 2 10s 4. We are defensively too fragile to risk playing without 2 6's I think at club level he prefers more conventional methods But all it did was create new and more sever problems, with the formation we started with in this qualifying campaign we were in the box seat to qualify for the world cup and we looked comfortable in doing so. We change it at a crucial point and we have immensely struggled since, the change to 3 at the back has cost us automatic qualification. yeah it at best broke even for us at worse made things worse. But I can understand why he did it given those problems I think he adopted it after the thailand away game? Who remembers when he first started going voodoo? Iraq away I think. One of the biggest things that the new formation lack is the front players need to be able to rotate I wonder if our two 10s and 9 rotating in bp would help....
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm going to illustrate the three formations which can easily be interchanged on the pitch within the same half, that Ange has failed to do. The defensive midfield 4-3-3: X....................X...................X.................X .................X...............................X ...............................X X............................X.............................X To make the 3-4-3 midfield diamond, a coach can also be termed the 4-3-3 with a 3:1 back four, the two FBs tuck in a bit and one CB plays in front of the other: ....X......................X...................X ............................X ..............X.......................X ...........................X X........................X.....................X To move from the 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle to the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle, the midfield triangle can be inverted. One DM , or number 6, becomes a twin number 10 or twin attacking AM: X..................X.....................X.................X ................................X .................X..............................X X..............................X..........................X The defensive midfield triangle can also be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with the two wingers moving back in a line with the number 10. The attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3 can also become a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, with the two wingers moving back in a line with the twin attacking mids. Yeah once he went to a midfield box he couldn't switch the midfield triangle when we were ahead. Its a small change, so it should be no big deal to implement it. But perhaps ante felt considering our defensive frailties that dominating territory and going for more goals was a better defense given what we had in personnel From the 3-4-2-1, it is difficult to change shape, particularly to ones the players have played a lot at club level and underage football. he really tried to think outside the box (pardon the pun) to cover for four facts 1. that we don't have great fullbacks (although i think gersbach provides a decent option and behich is decent but they both play on the left) 2. our wingers are decent but weak finishers (though not bad defensively) 3. We find it difficult to break a team down with a single number 10. Also our 10s are our best finishers. Its difficult to consistently score enough goals without 2 10s 4. We are defensively too fragile to risk playing without 2 6's I think at club level he prefers more conventional methods But all it did was create new and more sever problems, with the formation we started with in this qualifying campaign we were in the box seat to qualify for the world cup and we looked comfortable in doing so. We change it at a crucial point and we have immensely struggled since, the change to 3 at the back has cost us automatic qualification. I think you are right. At the beginning we were playing the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle. The big issue here was that Milligan was often benched, while Jedi was the sole screener. Ange should've played combos of the attacking midfield 4-3-3 and the defensive midfield 4-3-3 in the same game. To his credit at times Ange rotated the triangle, particularly when Milligan played. It worked out quite well, but then Ange wanted to accommodate Mooy and Rogic playing in the same team as attacking mids. With the gift of hindsight he could've rotated the midfield triangle from Mooy...................Milligan .............Rogic to ............Milligan Mooy...................Rogic Ange didn't though. For him Jedi is undroppable.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days. Maclaren was making many great runs when he came on and constantly moving unlike Juric, problem was no one took the risks to pass it to him. I'll have a good look at this in the replay. Maclaren might've been making effective dummy runs like Holman and McDonald used to, that the average punter was unaware of. Their coaches and teammates were happy though!
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+x+xWe will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years... Relax a little. Non qualification will allow a purge. It needs to happen. Welcome to the forum, Freaken. I always think of you as the calmest Bitter. Has Football Anarchy closed down?
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+xI don't see how Smith can be selected again for the Socceroos until he gets game time and shows his value. At the moment Gersbach, Behich, Goodwin, Dougall, Meredith all should surely be ahead of him on the pecking order for that LW role. Apparently Smith has had 12 Socceroo starts, whilst in the same time period he has only had 6 starts for his clubs, Liverpool and Bournemouth!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm going to illustrate the three formations which can easily be interchanged on the pitch within the same half, that Ange has failed to do. The defensive midfield 4-3-3: X....................X...................X.................X .................X...............................X ...............................X X............................X.............................X To make the 3-4-3 midfield diamond, a coach can also be termed the 4-3-3 with a 3:1 back four, the two FBs tuck in a bit and one CB plays in front of the other: ....X......................X...................X ............................X ..............X.......................X ...........................X X........................X.....................X To move from the 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle to the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle, the midfield triangle can be inverted. One DM , or number 6, becomes a twin number 10 or twin attacking AM: X..................X.....................X.................X ................................X .................X..............................X X..............................X..........................X The defensive midfield triangle can also be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with the two wingers moving back in a line with the number 10. The attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3 can also become a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, with the two wingers moving back in a line with the twin attacking mids. Yeah once he went to a midfield box he couldn't switch the midfield triangle when we were ahead. Its a small change, so it should be no big deal to implement it. But perhaps ante felt considering our defensive frailties that dominating territory and going for more goals was a better defense given what we had in personnel From the 3-4-2-1, it is difficult to change shape, particularly to ones the players have played a lot at club level and underage football. he really tried to think outside the box (pardon the pun) to cover for four facts 1. that we don't have great fullbacks (although i think gersbach provides a decent option and behich is decent but they both play on the left) 2. our wingers are decent but weak finishers (though not bad defensively) 3. We find it difficult to break a team down with a single number 10. Also our 10s are our best finishers. Its difficult to consistently score enough goals without 2 10s 4. We are defensively too fragile to risk playing without 2 6's I think at club level he prefers more conventional methods But all it did was create new and more sever problems, with the formation we started with in this qualifying campaign we were in the box seat to qualify for the world cup and we looked comfortable in doing so. We change it at a crucial point and we have immensely struggled since, the change to 3 at the back has cost us automatic qualification. yeah it at best broke even for us at worse made things worse. But I can understand why he did it given those problems I think he adopted it after the thailand away game? Who remembers when he first started going voodoo? Iraq away I think. One of the biggest things that the new formation lack is the front players need to be able to rotate I wonder if our two 10s and 9 rotating in bp would help.... It could.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days. Maclaren was making many great runs when he came on and constantly moving unlike Juric, problem was no one took the risks to pass it to him. I'll have a good look at this in the replay. Maclaren might've been making effective dummy runs like Holman and McDonald used to, that the average punter was unaware of. Their coaches and teammates were happy though! It might be hard to see on a replay, but at the game he was always on the last shoulder trying to make things happen, he just lacked the service he deserved.
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I think we got the performance we been asking for last night, just never hit the target, realistically, a good finishing team would have won that 10-1 nil , maybe they were too quick to pull the trigger.
But the result last night was really the player responding to the pressure, not entirely Ange's fault IMO
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+x+x+xWe will not qualify for 2018 and this will set football in this country back by another 10-15 years... Relax a little. Non qualification will allow a purge. It needs to happen. Welcome to the forum, Freaken. I always think of you as the calmest Bitter. Has Football Anarchy closed down? No. I see you're still fixated on formations. That is just one piece of the jigsaw puzzle.
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+xI think we got the performance we been asking for last night, just never hit the target, realistically, a good finishing team would have won that 10-1 nil , maybe they were too quick to pull the trigger. But the result last night was really the player responding to the pressure, not entirely Ange's fault IMO when was the last time australia won a game convincingly? must have been over 3 years ago. it was just more of the same embarrassing shite last night.
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+xAre people fucking stupid? Why the fuck would we sack our coach now in the middle of qualification, I know it worked with Guus but this is entirely different. Name me on coach within our budget who would do a better job at this sort of notice, the players trust him and we have shown we are capable. The reason we are not doing as well as previous qualification runs is simple, WE ARE NOT AS GOOD AS WE ONCE WERE. Time to get ourselves and stop thinking we have a divine right to make the World Cup every four years, we aren't Uruguay. Qualifying for the WC is tough, no matter if who you are and while I agree if we don't make it he should go but now is definitely not the time. Hell we might find out in 6 hours that we are into Russia. Paul Le Guen
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2 things stood out for me last night. First is Rogic does not have a right foot and is quite predictable in his movement, always moving to the left . You could see the Thai defenders working this out also and shutting him down, plus that stupid outside of the left foot shot he took in the last 10 minutes was really poor. Despite all the platitudes he gets, just don't believe he is as good as people think. Next was how slow we are in transition to attack. It was obvious Thailand would sit back & try & counter, when they did get the ball & moved forward, we often won it back quickly but then rather than attack with speed, we would just pass the ball around (often backwards) and let Thailand get set up behind the ball again. The few times we played the early ball in or behind, we looked good and had space to attack. With 20 men camped on the edge of Thailand's 18 yard box, there was never going to be much room to play At the end of the day, not sure what anyone expected when we are playing a voodoo system with players who dont play regularly for their clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days. Maclaren was making many great runs when he came on and constantly moving unlike Juric, problem was no one took the risks to pass it to him. ^ THIS. The Thai defence was set deep, crowding out Rogic and Mooy from pulling the strings, Kruse MUST start last nights game over Timmy. But yeah, Mclaren was making fantastic runs off the shoulders of his defenders but no one played him in, I think the one time it happened was his first touch when he came on and he fluffed it but he was making the runs the entire time he was on. Some seriously puzzling and frustrating selections and substitutions from Ange over the last 6-7 games imo.
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+x2 things stood out for me last night. First is Rogic does not have a right foot and is quite predictable in his movement, always moving to the left . You could see the Thai defenders working this out also and shutting him down, plus that stupid outside of the left foot shot he took in the last 10 minutes was really poor. Despite all the platitudes he gets, just don't believe he is as good as people think.
Next was how slow we are in transition to attack.
Yep. After about the third shot they just pushed him onto his right or covered his left. And the other bit. 100 per cent correct. Won the ball 4 or 5 times when we could have had them outnumbered only to kick it sideways letting them get 8 behind the ball. Sadly Mooy was guilty of this a lot. (Still was close to Australias best though.)
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+xI don't see how Smith can be selected again for the Socceroos until he gets game time and shows his value. At the moment Gersbach, Behich, Goodwin, Dougall, Meredith all should surely be ahead of him on the pecking order for that LW role. I watch Goodwin a lot at club level and he does tend to go missing heaps in games. But in saying that, he is still miles ahead of old big butt smith
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xwe actually only just beat Thailand. That is crazy. barely beat a team ranked 130, below St. Kitts and Nevis, Ethiopia With 40 odd shots on goal and nothing really to show for it would tell yu it's the cattle that's the problem not necessarily the coach. The tactics used lastnight were fine. It was for the other two games that we setup badly. Ange was not at fault last night. The attacking cattle were because they did not have their shooting boots on. Their attacking interplay and movement off the ball was excellent though. Troisi's passing was wayward and Maclaren was invisible. I watched a replay as I was out. I'd forgotten Maclaren was even on the pitch! I'll have a look at a replay for a second viewing in a few days. Maclaren was making many great runs when he came on and constantly moving unlike Juric, problem was no one took the risks to pass it to him. ^ THIS. The Thai defence was set deep, crowding out Rogic and Mooy from pulling the strings, Kruse MUST start last nights game over Timmy. But yeah, Mclaren was making fantastic runs off the shoulders of his defenders but no one played him in, I think the one time it happened was his first touch when he came on and he fluffed it but he was making the runs the entire time he was on. Some seriously puzzling and frustrating selections and substitutions from Ange over the last 6-7 games imo. I noticed that, same with gersbach, and wright both made some pretty dangerous runs that weren't gifted with a pass.I recall one instant in the game where maclaren snuck behind the Thai defenceless, won the ball and set it up in a platter in side the box for juric or rogic who skyed it into row Z
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Ange started off well as manager, but slowly he evolved into a stubborn, unapproachable and arrogant man. He refused to change even though the system was clearly not working. He constantly treated the job as if he was above it and the way he spoke to and treated some journalist's (especially those just starting out in the profession) was disgusting.
Should he be in charge for the playoffs? Absolutely not. Sack him now and bring someone in who can set up a team and play to our strengths. The players clearly are confused and gave no faith on him.
When managers get sacked it is very common to see the team dramatically improve in the short term which is exactly what we need here.
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keep ange, he'll thrive in a backs to the wall type situation 
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+x+x+xLook, I've been an Ange booster all this time, but last night's result was simply unacceptable. There's something catastrophically wrong in that team. Ange needs to go for the good of everyone. How should he have setup lastnight game then? Play counter and hope to get 1 maybe 2 goals at best? We needed to go all out for the 90 mins which we did and we created more than 30 chances and hit the post 3 times. Combination of terrible luck and bad finishing by the players. Something Ange cant help with. Last night's game isn;t the one that people should be having a go at Ange about, if anything its the previous one's which had flawed tactics. Why can't people see that? Last night was actually one of our better performances in terms of tactics imo. Sorry but I don't agree When a team is hitting the cross bar that many times, or encountering regular goal line clearances by defenders or the keeper its because they are trying to go through the players or try to pass the ball into the goal to the side of them What Australia lacked last night was a cohesive front third that could get behind the defence. They did it with their first goal. They did it with that miraculous Thai defensive tackle Thailand on the other hand got behind our defensive line on several occasions. Including what should have been a penalty. And other times where they lacked support so it came to nothing. As was said last night Thailand only had a handful of chances and nearly took every one of them Thailand didn't look good last night. It looked like an A League team vs a State League team. They were very quickly cut down and Australia dominated the play. Most of the game was played in and around their penalty box. But Australia didn't know how to break them down Exactly, because the quality of players just isn't there. I mentioned that in my comment, that it was partly due to bad luck and also due to lack of quality. But fundamentally, when we are put in a position to have to score 4 goals, we really didn't have much choice other than to press and try to penetrate through the middle, which is hard against a defensively minded team. Playing on the counter could have been a big risk in terms of presenting enough opportunities for us to smack 4 in.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm going to illustrate the three formations which can easily be interchanged on the pitch within the same half, that Ange has failed to do. The defensive midfield 4-3-3: X....................X...................X.................X .................X...............................X ...............................X X............................X.............................X To make the 3-4-3 midfield diamond, a coach can also be termed the 4-3-3 with a 3:1 back four, the two FBs tuck in a bit and one CB plays in front of the other: ....X......................X...................X ............................X ..............X.......................X ...........................X X........................X.....................X To move from the 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle to the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle, the midfield triangle can be inverted. One DM , or number 6, becomes a twin number 10 or twin attacking AM: X..................X.....................X.................X ................................X .................X..............................X X..............................X..........................X The defensive midfield triangle can also be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with the two wingers moving back in a line with the number 10. The attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3 can also become a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1, with the two wingers moving back in a line with the twin attacking mids. Yeah once he went to a midfield box he couldn't switch the midfield triangle when we were ahead. Its a small change, so it should be no big deal to implement it. But perhaps ante felt considering our defensive frailties that dominating territory and going for more goals was a better defense given what we had in personnel From the 3-4-2-1, it is difficult to change shape, particularly to ones the players have played a lot at club level and underage football. he really tried to think outside the box (pardon the pun) to cover for four facts 1. that we don't have great fullbacks (although i think gersbach provides a decent option and behich is decent but they both play on the left) 2. our wingers are decent but weak finishers (though not bad defensively) 3. We find it difficult to break a team down with a single number 10. Also our 10s are our best finishers. Its difficult to consistently score enough goals without 2 10s 4. We are defensively too fragile to risk playing without 2 6's I think at club level he prefers more conventional methods But all it did was create new and more sever problems, with the formation we started with in this qualifying campaign we were in the box seat to qualify for the world cup and we looked comfortable in doing so. We change it at a crucial point and we have immensely struggled since, the change to 3 at the back has cost us automatic qualification. I think you are right. At the beginning we were playing the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle. The big issue here was that Milligan was often benched, while Jedi was the sole screener. Ange should've played combos of the attacking midfield 4-3-3 and the defensive midfield 4-3-3 in the same game. To his credit at times Ange rotated the triangle, particularly when Milligan played. It worked out quite well, but then Ange wanted to accommodate Mooy and Rogic playing in the same team as attacking mids. With the gift of hindsight he could've rotated the midfield triangle from Mooy...................Milligan .............Rogic to ............Milligan Mooy...................Rogic Ange didn't though. For him Jedi is undroppable. Decentric you're really showing your inexperience as a performance based coach to continue to believe that players have to be constantly instructed to rotate in a midfield three. Players of a decent level dont need to be instructed constantly, the coach sets them out in a formation be it two holding, 6 and an 8, two 8's, two 10's, it is then up to these players to make the on field decision. Naturally the coach can also make adjustments in his team selections with his midfield players, particularly the more deep lying eg. Jedinaks naturally game is to hold, irvines to get forward, luongo and mooy to get on the ball etc etc. These aren't 12 year old kids
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