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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. Did it grow from nothing though? It replaced something there is a difference. Football had $200k in its bank accounts. Next to nothing. It took NSL clubs and players. And co-incidentally they were all PG AU NJ and BR were all broadbased clubs. In fact my recollection was that PG were the model for what would follow, but very different to what was the norm in the NSL. This song explains everything for you
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Don't really care if established NPL clubs join or not.
Things i would like to see though:
1. As many professional players as possible across the teams joining. The only way to raise the standard long term for this country is to have as many as possible players training full time competing with each other to make the first team and win the cup. This also includes coaching
2. Areas that have been burned by the FFA, or have tried at the A-League but didn't quite make it at that level that time, but have the support to be given a go. So, that means, Canberra, Woolongong, Geelong, North Queensland, Gold Coast. FFA is commited to big capital cities only, so this would give the rest of the country a chance. I don't care if they are created clubs, or clubs made by merging existing clubs. The next Rogic needs a more local professional option. That way they have a bigger financial base and greater chance of stability.
3. Some sort of TV coverage, even a 1 hr weekly review at 10.30pm on sbs on a wednesday night. To build support and buzz, sponsorship and long term sustainability it needs this
4. Some kind of transfer system so that these A2 clubs can act as development clubs and can generate income by unearthing the next Mooy or Miligan. It seems at the moment a lot of NPL clubs charge huge amounts for youth training to hold up other parts of the club, this needs to change.
5. Long term pro/rel. I get that right now the current A-league clubs will move heaven and earth for it not to happen. Even if there was a A2 champion vs A1 wooden spooner play off without consequences it would be a good start to see how the leagues talent is comparatively and set a precedent for pro-rel later on.
6. Some sort of standards for clubs to have in terms of grounds and youth academies etc. These are prospective future A-league clubs, they need to start to act like one a bit at a time.
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+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Did you listen to Rabieh on Bill&Boz?? Strictly Australian teams only :cool:
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Did you listen to Rabieh on Bill&Boz?? Strictly Australian teams only :cool: 
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Did you listen to Rabieh on Bill&Boz?? Strictly Australian teams only :cool: Oh well, at least we know the A-League is open to the idea of more kiwi teams involved. Fk the B/A2 league.
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+xThis is the profile picture of the South West Sydney FC (SD Raiders) Facebook page.  They have up a new picture now  Keep on hearing that Australia can’t afford a second division.
My thoughts on that are simple. NPL clubs have survived for 60 years without any support and will survive another 60 years without hand outs. If clubs believe they can fund a championship team then it’s no ones business except for the committed volunteers who run NPL Football and the fans.
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I did abit of googling and South West Sydney FC name has been registered by Potential Capital Advisors in Gledswood Hill near Campbelltown. This is there logo 
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+xI did abit of googling and South West Sydney FC name has been registered by Potential Capital Advisors in Gledswood Hill near Campbelltown.This is there logo The internet says Gino Marra is MD of that company, director of SDSFA and was on the steering commitee for AAFC. Thats all good. Its great to have people who invest their time and money into such ventures. So yeah, they will most likely be The Lions for sure. Not such a big deal to me. I wish they would have kept green, red and white like Raiders for it though. Considering Roar and Lions FC both use orange and blue. People here might complain it would be pushing, what I assume is, Italian heritage so perhaps for the best.
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Yep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.
It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is.
In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup.
One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship.
It's exciting times ahead.
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+xYep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is. In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup. One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship. It's exciting times ahead.  It looks horrible but you get the idea what it could look like. I just put a green and red filter over it. I would like a concept like "Green Lions" as a appose to just Lions. Blue Lions are a German hockey team.
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SInce the proposed league would not overlap with the NPL season, I'd like to see some partnerships between NPL clubs to create rep teams for the new league composed of the better players from each club. Together, adjacent NPL clubs (and NPL2 if strong enough) could stake claims to larger areas for crowd support. The most talented up and coming NPL players would play year round as they would participate in 2 competitions. This would be great for their development. The joint entities would find it easier to secure investors and sponsorship, and with a larger supporter base would be more likely to meet a league entry criteria.
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+xSInce the proposed league would not overlap with the NPL season, I'd like to see some partnerships between NPL clubs to create rep teams for the new league composed of the better players from each club. Together, adjacent NPL clubs (and NPL2 if strong enough) could stake claims to larger areas for crowd support. The most talented up and coming NPL players would play year round as they would participate in 2 competitions. This would be great for their development. The joint entities would find it easier to secure investors and sponsorship, and with a larger supporter base would be more likely to meet a league entry criteria. These clubs are not interested in partnerships. That is both their strength and their weakness.
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South West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts.
Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.
At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them?
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+xSouth West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts. Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them? Nah bro partnerships. It'sthe new hurdle for effnikklubz.
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+xSouth West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts. Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them? define "good enough"
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+x+xSouth West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts. Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them? define "good enough" You define it. Afterall it never seems to be enough.
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When the second division comes you'd imagine that Au sokkah being what it is there will be a nationwide shortage of brown paper bags as everyone scrambles to be included
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+x+x+xSouth West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts. Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them? define "good enough" You define it. Afterall it never seems to be enough. Yeah why don't Australia's NPL clubs that have been deliberately smothered,suppressed and ostracised by the FFA and their assorted toadies for the past 13 years have Real Madrid levels of finance & support. For this reason alone these clubs should be denied the opportunity to progress themselves and the game, forever.
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+x+x+x+xSouth West Sydney FC is formed by the partnership of MacArthur and Southern Districts. Gold Coast grassroots clubs have rights in the new GCU.At the end of the day though if a club is good enough to go it alone why deny them? define "good enough" You define it. Afterall it never seems to be enough. Yeah why don't Australia's NPL clubs that have been deliberately smothered,suppressed and ostracised by the FFA and their assorted toadies for the past 13 years have Real Madrid levels of finance & support. For this reason alone these clubs should be denied the opportunity to progress themselves and the game, forever. Ok, so: Real Madrid budget, stadium, players & infrastructure or no A lick entry. Oh and can't be ethnik. Sounds very reasonable.
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Who gives a shit if the second division fails. FFS, I'd way rather try it and it fails then do nothing and go through the sorry stage we are,
If it works, awesome, if it has issues, we work to make better. We'll never get anywhere in our current state.
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+x+xYep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is. In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup. One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship. It's exciting times ahead. It looks horrible but you get the idea what it could look like. I just put a green and red filter over it. I would like a concept like "Green Lions" as a appose to just Lions. Blue Lions are a German hockey team. RG-colourblind fan's worst nightmare.
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+x+xYep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is. In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup. One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship. It's exciting times ahead. It looks horrible but you get the idea what it could look like. I just put a green and red filter over it. I would like a concept like "Green Lions" as a appose to just Lions. Blue Lions are a German hockey team. Tassie are going to be the Lions aswell though :D
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+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. The A-League franchise owners are screaming louder than anyone for the piece of the pie! The A-league franchise owners are the ones wanting Lowy and Gallop out! In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal once again provides for the development of; Players Coaches Referees Administrators Football Culture Geographic Footprint Football Infrastructure In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal has the support of; FIFA AFC FFV FNSW A-League Franchise Owners Association Rant and Rave all you like odds are its going to happen, those odds are greater if FIFA comes in.
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+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. What has a 2nd div got to do with the HAL? -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. The A-League franchise owners are screaming louder than anyone for the piece of the pie! The A-league franchise owners are the ones wanting Lowy and Gallop out! In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal once again provides for the development of; Players Coaches Referees Administrators Football Culture Geographic Footprint Football Infrastructure In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal has the support of; FIFA AFC FFV FNSW A-League Franchise Owners Association Rant and Rave all you like odds are its going to happen, those odds are greater if FIFA comes in. *sigh* How many times do I have to do this? Seriously. Not ONE of those "stakeholders" is a fan or sponsor or a broadcaster willing to pay. Without fans and sponsors and paying broadcasters, everyone is just tryng to tear up the same chicken in different ways. No-one is bringing another chicken. FACE IT: Football is what it is, not what you or "they" want it to be. Show me the money!
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. What has a 2nd div got to do with the HAL? -PB *sigh* the ultimate goal of the second division is promotion to the A-league. Because these clubs didn't meet the metrics ie the $14 mill for a Melbourne franchise, they see winning a tin pot second division as the alternative door in to the A-league. Even if they play in front of 500 fans and are sponsored by a marble memorials business, they win, they are in.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. The A-League franchise owners are screaming louder than anyone for the piece of the pie! The A-league franchise owners are the ones wanting Lowy and Gallop out! In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal once again provides for the development of; Players Coaches Referees Administrators Football Culture Geographic Footprint Football Infrastructure In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal has the support of; FIFA AFC FFV FNSW A-League Franchise Owners Association Rant and Rave all you like odds are its going to happen, those odds are greater if FIFA comes in. *sigh* How many times do I have to do this? Seriously. Not ONE of those "stakeholders" is a fan or sponsor or a broadcaster willing to pay. Without fans and sponsors and paying broadcasters, everyone is just tryng to tear up the same chicken in different ways. No-one is bringing another chicken. FACE IT: Football is what it is, not what you or "they" want it to be. Show me the money! Once Again for you.... The A-League franchise owners are screaming louder than anyone for the piece of the pie! The A-league franchise owners are the ones wanting Lowy and Gallop out! In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal once again provides for the development of; Players Coaches Referees Administrators Football Culture Geographic Footprint Football Infrastructure In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal has the support of; FIFA AFC FFV FNSW A-League Franchise Owners Association Rant and Rave all you like odds are its going to happen, those odds are greater if FIFA comes in.
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2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing.
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+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Once again when will you accept that a 2nd Division is necessary? Otherwise you have nothing more than the same!
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+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Is it your contention that the sponsors and media DON'T want more teams, increased competition/diversity? That they would prefer a competition with decreasing interest and continued stagnation..? What a strange world you live in.
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