If youre not draups then why are you trolling so hard? 

I think its been made quite explicitly clear that implementing a salary cap because AFL has one is indefensible to anyone who is football literate. 

Evidently ;)

To find some answers to your question, you only have to read the post I quoted.

People with different opinions to you aren't trolling.

A League teams would get demolished playing even mediocre European sides.

If there was something to play for. A friendly doesn't count because none of the teams will risk injuries to their stars over a silly backyard match.  

Higher costs would probably also translate to more TV Rights provided there were some draw card players recruited by the likes of city, MVFC, Sydney and WSW. 

It's all commercialism. No one can honestly tell how it will pan out but in theory, the league should improve with better quality players and as such my commercial money which can be used to prop up the bottom end of town more. 

How can City buy the title when there is a limit on the number of Visa players?

They will need 18 Australian based players in their squad and its the quality of these that will determine their finishing place

Also 10,000 is still 70% retention of fans. It says that poor teams get 70% of fans, mid table teams get about 85% and the league leader gets 100%. Given that we only have 1-2 teams at the top and 1-2 at the bottom, the overall impact on the league is moot. Its the same equation for a salary capped league. The only difference is the names of the teams at the top and bottom

As for the W League, the salary cap is a placebo. It isn't turning players away. And having City try to buy the league reinforces my first point. Money only buys Australian based players and there are more than 18 talented women in the country. Have a look at how City are doing this year


And incidentally, in an open league Adelaide will not be shit kicking at the bottom of the table, like WSW were at some point. In fact all big clubs have had their place in the bottom 3 shit kicking around with 70% of fans. This is the product of a salary cap. In an uncapped league it will be CCM and Newcastle getting 70% turn out and the bigger regions pushing the 85% and 100%

As for salary caps in other Australian sports, they are effective because they have 100% of the players. A salary cap stops players from wondering. Any sport looks to have caps and regulations in place to stop anti-competitive actions whether it is a salary cap, state of origin or the 4+1 rule. Sports need to choose the one that fits their circumstances. We have chosen two: The one best for football, and the one we have to have because we are Australian

More and more money is coming in to football all over the world. Our league exists in that marketplace and the longer we have a cap the further behind we go to everywhere else. It just comes down to at what point does having an even league become a greater cost than the quality of the football being played. I certainly think we've reached that point.

Also it's increadibly insulting to club owners and administrators suggesting that if the cap is removed they will all suddenly start over spending and effectively run their business into the ground.

1. I agree with the general comments on that the salary cap does punish success and how it punishes it.
2. @ McJules Where it's damaging is that City and the others will take the good Australian players from the clubs with a smaller wage bill. A bunch of inexperienced kids and NPL players are going to have a tough time being "organised" enough to win anything.

That's already happening with the cap with City taking Adelaide's and Mariners' players who would otherwise be starting. Second, there's already a maximum player limit. Third, it is no good for City if they basically pay disgruntled players to not play as it will create discontent within the playing group which might necessitate the PFA and FFA stepping in.

3. @sub007 The cap keeps the competition even and interesting. People aren't going to want to watch a league where only Melbourne City will win the league every year because they have the most money, especially since they are a small club.

I accept your point but first you are assuming MV, SFC, WSW and even NJ have absolutely no resources to challenge MC. CFG are already making a loss on MC and I doubt without a cap CFG would raise spending significantly as Australia is a small market compared to England, Japan, US and and there is not enough of a financial incentive from the AFC Champions League to make it worth outspending all rivals and it currently looks like it will remain the same for the foreseeable future.

Second, with a cap Brisbane and MVFC have the most trophies this decade. WSW have made the finals three times, more than Perth, CC, NJ, WP, MC as well. NJ also haven't even made the finals since 2010 while having two stints with billionaire owners. SFC post-title have been up and down.

Currently, Sydney FC are running away with the title with MV then ahead of the rest, all with a cap. 

The point is hierarchies have already formed in a capped league where this was not meant to be possible. 

4. Can we all at least admit, with crowd attendances and TV ratings stagnating, that something needs to be done to get out of this malaise for which abolishing the salary cap might be a potential solution?

5.  Lastly, would everybody be open to say the FFA temporarily abolishing the cap a few years down the track with whatever the maximum payment still given to the clubs for player salaries, for a period of say two seasons. Would everyone be open to this as we would at least be able to see what would happen if the cap was abolished and then assess its successes and failures?

Good point about jets, james. Remove the cap and unleash the novocastrians! Mcfc dominating the league pffft. One martin lee begs to differ.

I never said we should have a salary cap because the AFL has one. 

Spending more money on Australian players is not going to make us the EPL or even the J-League. We have to improve the quality of our players. How much are the clubs spending on that at the moment?

Mcj
Your "the players want to go to better leagues" is unrealistic. It's about money. Otherwise we wouldn't have players in SEAsia who are good enough for the A-League

Pay enough to keep the ones that are good enough to play in the top leagues in Asia but not Europe so they can stay here. The same with foreign imports.

But if we do improve our level of players their demand will increase globally and they will be forced to leave due to the cap. We will always lose our top talent but there is plenty of mid range talent we should be doing more to keep.

2. They're limited by the cap at the moment. There's reports that City have approached half of our squad (experienced players like Galekovic and McGowan). Now clearly at the moment they can't take them all because of the cap but if it wasn't there? Payout the duds they have in there now and bob's your uncle.

3. Over the history of the comp we've had 8 different teams win trophies (6 champions, 6 premiers and 3 FFA Cup winners). The only two current teams that haven't won in the A-League era are Perth Glory and Wellington. Perth has made an A-League grand final and 2 FFA Cup finals. 
Of course there's going to be some teams more successful than others, no one thought it was going to be any different. The cap does mean that most teams have enough quality to challenge any team on any particular day. This makes the league exciting. However over the course of the season things such as coaching quality, training facilities and other factors play a part. With bigger discrepancies in squad qualities this becomes less important.

4. Sure something needs to be done. Marquee fund and actually bringing in name players with the cap exemption spots would do the trick far better.

5. If you open it for 2 years, teams will still be restricted by the cap as it will be coming back in. Trialling such a thing really isn't necessary, keep increasing the salary cap inline with club revenues and we'll be fine.

2. They're going to take half your squad and replace half their squad even though their squad is still so much better? Again, with a maximum of 23 players, I think it is very unlikely City will or have the ability to hoard players much like Chelsea does. At some point, players are going to want to play and if they can't at City then they will become disgruntled and negatively effect the playing group. When you have more players who are starters than squaddies then this will create disharmony. Further, if this simply becomes the case at City, they might find they will lose out on playing talent as there are limited supply of A-League quality players and plenty of substitutes for Melbourne City or any other club that acts in this way.

3. But teams like NJ, CCM, WP don't have the quality even under the cap. Without a salary cap, it actively incentivises them to spend and spend effectively to compete in the absence of relegation. These teams have been down at the bottom of the table for quite a while - who is watching the league for them?

2. Their squad isn't so much better at the moment. It would be without a cap though. It's not just about city anyway but 3 or 4 teams with deeper pockets than the rest.
3. There's reasons for those 3 teams lacking quality, none of them are to do with the cap and none of their situations would be improved from a performance perspective (maybe you could argue they could spend less and be even shitter but be better off financially for the owners). With better management, these 3 teams fortunes could turn. I think Newcastle is looking most likely of those 3 for it to happen to first.

2. Again, maximum places. And we always hear about good players who don't play kicking up a stink in their squads, if not players like James Rodriguez and Joe Hart then Rhys Williams and Kerem Bulut here. Players who want to play will simply disrupt an otherwise functional team environment.

Further, if I am a player that is good enough to start at any A-League and I have ambitions to represent the Socceroos and I don't play because whichever club/s have stacked their rosters with talent, then I will seek a move even to a loser club like CCM much like Connor Pain and Scott Galloway or Jamie Maclaren have all done.

3.There's nothing incentivising them to improve now. Abolishing the salary cap would get them to move or risk being left behind for a long time.

Bozza needs to steer the ship, not Lowy or Gallop.

The lack of transfers but especially loans in the HAL.

One of the biggest impediments for young players is the lack of a loan system. The top clubs often have the best young talent, but as they're strong clubs their first team is already full of quality players so youth often struggles for a go. Being able to loan younger players to lower clubs helps both the other club and the parent club who gets a more experienced player in return.

Win win, and the mind boggles why there's no loan system in place. 

Transfers fees would also help when bigger clubs want the players of smaller clubs so they can't bully others around and smaller clubs get rewarded for good recruitment. 

Absolutely no reason not to have these

That would be sure as hell interesting.

THE BIG CHANGE A-LEAGUE MUST MAKE: BOZZA
FORMER Socceroo Mark Bosnich says the A-League needs to introduce a loan system and a transfer system in between clubs.

Citing the example of Wanderers coach Josep Gombau, who came in after Tony Popovic had already built a squad, Bosnich said the game was being “short-changed” by the lack of transfers and loans between clubs.

Wanderers players show their dejection. (Photo by Brett Hemmings/Getty Images)
Wanderers players show their dejection. (Photo by Brett Hemmings/Getty Images)Picture: Getty Images
“Things have got to change. In my opinion, the … players, managers (and) supporters are being short-changed by the system that’s in place,” he said.

“Because could you imagine the excitement that we’d have now if — for example, we’re coming up to January and people would be speculating ‘who could go here, who could go there?’

“Seriously, I know everyone is trying hard but forget about your Star Wars Rounds … this is more important for the game: install a transfer system, install a loan system — because long term, this is really going to help the game.

“Those little things, those little gimmicks, what they are, okay you’re trying your best, no problem. But for me, they’re not going to help the game long-term.

“This will and this needs to be done yesterday. Because a new manager comes in … (and) he has to stay with those players and it’s not good.”

Bosnich said the Wanderers’ struggles on Saturday night against Sydney FC, when they lost 5-0, demonstrated the need for change.

“You see those poor boys from Wanderers yesterday being played out of position and this that and the other,” he said.

“It just short-changes everyone and it’s not good for the competition when one of your biggest brands in terms of the Western Sydney Wanderers are not doing well.

“It’s not good when your big teams in the competition are not doing well.”

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/soccer/shootout-how-aaron-mooy-is-lifting-huddersfield-town-issue-confronting-melbourne-victory-ng-11a82589d94f4928c311daa49b72142d

This isn't going to go away or magically stop being talked about until it is remedied.

Remove the cap, sink the league

3 years tops!

Been reading the 'Inverting The Pyramid' book and it really reinforces how over history one tweak, swapping one player out for another, can have a huge positive effect on a sides formation and without certain tweaks we wouldn't have ended up with some of the dominant sides we have throughout history.

Im sure Gombau(and every other coach in our league) knows what he wants and needs to do but the salary cap leaves him hamstrung.

Mark Milligan’s failed transfer to Al-Ahli again shows the problems with A-League salary cap

MELBOURNE Victory were within their rights to dig heels in after Saudi Arabian interest, but the Mark Milligan saga is another example of why the salary cap is reaching its expiry date.

The Socceroo will line up in the Australia Day clash with Sydney FC after Victory issued a ‘hands off’ warning with coach Kevin Muscat understandably desperate to keep Milligan as they launch twin assaults on the A-League and Asian Champions League.

Beyond May the future of Milligan and his young family is unclear, with his contract expiring at the end of the season with James Troisi’s back-ended deal elevating him to marquee status alongside Besart Berisha unless Victory can do some creative accounting.

NEXT STAGE: FIFA to return for FFA peace talks

SOCCEROOS: FFA in talks with van Gaal


Milligan has seen another opportunity pass him by (AAP Image/Joe Castro)
Milligan was open to the Al-Ahli move, but he by no means held the club to ransom or threw the toys out of the cot. Victory has rejected several offers for Milligan, including a dream move to Crystal Palace in 2013 that left him shattered having never played in Europe to this day.

Victory fans consider the implications of the outdated salary cap — the squad and cap limitations are the reason Dino Djulbic, for instance, came and went after a fortnight before returning to Perth Glory — before labelling Milligan a mercenary.

Players union chief John Didulica said the figure of 65 per cent of players coming off contract at the end of this season was too high.

“You don’t have Mark actively spruiking himself around Asia saying I desperately need to get out of this contract,’’ Didulica said on FNR.

“There’s club throughout Asia that (spend) tens of millions of dollars and have an Asian spot, so he (Milligan) is a sought-after commodity in that market.

“Where the urgency is in Mark’s perspective is he’s off contract in four months. If we had a contracting structure in Australia that incentivised longer term deals, that allowed clubs to be more flexible with the way they structured their contracts, you probably won’t have the same volume of players leaving.

“The way the salary cap works — where you have these two rigid marquees and everyone else squirrels in under this salary cap — means that you can’t have genuine contracts with players.

“If we can build an industry where players can have 2-4 year deals with very clear clauses around when and how players can get released, that level of surety and consistency will ensure we don’t have this washing around of players every transfer window.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/victory/mark-milligans-failed-transfer-to-alahli-again-shows-the-problems-with-aleague-salary-cap/news-story/a02a5398384b4dfad2e9d9b89219f87f

I'm sure the eff eff aye are solid in their promise of bringing in a transfer system. 

Sure as any other promise upheld by the Lowy cartel. 

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