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+x+x+x+x+x^^^I’m against oval venues but this is just silly. The AO gf was fantastic with 50k there. Better than an empty Hindmarsh. Club owned stadia has to be a long term plan. We have to deal with the fact we don’t have that sort of asset or capital at the moment. P&r could help promote investment in the lower tier stadiums but I’m not sure anyone has got any modelling or evidence of this. What we have is what we have. Not that we shouldn’t be pushing for change. Change to the operating model needed. HAL owners are basically tenants at this point Exactly, its called the Westfield model. We know how that works, and where the money is! Actually we got the Super Rugby franchise model reworked by John O'Neill for our circumstances. They developed it in 1995 when O'Neill became CEO of the ARU and when Rugby was professionalised. I think O'Neill's model was a stepping stone. He was simply laying the foundation It worked for its time and worked well. Anybody who could remember football in 2004 would never have thought we would see 50k attend a regular H/A game 2 years later The problem is the FFA never progressed and O'Neill was never around long enough to progress it in the direction he would have IMO O'Neill is the only adaptable sports administrator the game has seen since the FFA took over. Everybody else is a one trick pony with a DIY AFL kit Agree and he left because he wanted to take the -League in a new direction and Frank said no... JON said after a year we need a team in Western Sydney at the time Frank owned SFC and had a five year licence but JON said we need to tear that up and he strongly suggested another team in South East Melbourne ... at the time MV also had a 5 year right to Melbourne. From what I am told from a very reliable source, JON put the plans to Frank Lowy especially the second Sydney team.... Frank rejected it outright. JON is said to have said to Frank if I am CEO I should decide on matters like new teams... Frank replied it was the board who would decide such things... JON shook Franks hand and said we have a totally different opinion on what the role of a CEO is thanked Frank for what he had done for him and resigned ... The problem with both BB and DG is they are managers to carry out the boards instructions and the FFA board is very hands on ...
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bettega
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+x+x+x+x+x+x^^^I’m against oval venues but this is just silly. The AO gf was fantastic with 50k there. Better than an empty Hindmarsh. Club owned stadia has to be a long term plan. We have to deal with the fact we don’t have that sort of asset or capital at the moment. P&r could help promote investment in the lower tier stadiums but I’m not sure anyone has got any modelling or evidence of this. What we have is what we have. Not that we shouldn’t be pushing for change. Change to the operating model needed. HAL owners are basically tenants at this point Exactly, its called the Westfield model. We know how that works, and where the money is! Actually we got the Super Rugby franchise model reworked by John O'Neill for our circumstances. They developed it in 1995 when O'Neill became CEO of the ARU and when Rugby was professionalised. I think O'Neill's model was a stepping stone. He was simply laying the foundation It worked for its time and worked well. Anybody who could remember football in 2004 would never have thought we would see 50k attend a regular H/A game 2 years later The problem is the FFA never progressed and O'Neill was never around long enough to progress it in the direction he would have IMO O'Neill is the only adaptable sports administrator the game has seen since the FFA took over. Everybody else is a one trick pony with a DIY AFL kit Agree and he left because he wanted to take the -League in a new direction and Frank said no... JON said after a year we need a team in Western Sydney at the time Frank owned SFC and had a five year licence but JON said we need to tear that up and he strongly suggested another team in South East Melbourne ... at the time MV also had a 5 year right to Melbourne. From what I am told from a very reliable source, JON put the plans to Frank Lowy especially the second Sydney team.... Frank rejected it outright. JON is said to have said to Frank if I am CEO I should decide on matters like new teams... Frank replied it was the board who would decide such things... JON shook Franks hand and said we have a totally different opinion on what the role of a CEO is thanked Frank for what he had done for him and resigned ... The problem with both BB and DG is they are managers to carry out the boards instructions and the FFA board is very hands on ... But as you say, there were five year exclusion deals in place.
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Waz
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13,127 at Jets. Decent.
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You know its decent when the commentators blurt out the crowd figure during the game. Unfortunataly this only seems to happen barely once a week or fortnight now. No crowd figure given for Perth game and you will be battling to get the phoenix attendance tomorrow.
Imo should either reveal all of them on the broadcast or none at all.
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Considering Perth's form that isn't too bad. As expected good numbers for Jets and Mariners. Phoenix will not get a decent crowd until they start becoming competitive why can people not understand that your form will have a huge impact on attendances? I thought this was a given when trying to build a loyal fan base. If the Phoenix core support is 4,000 to 6,000 then it is still bigger than any NSL regular attendance.
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read an article yesterday that stated the crowds over the Xmas/new year period were above the season average.
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+xConsidering Perth's form that isn't too bad. As expected good numbers for Jets and Mariners. Phoenix will not get a decent crowd until they start becoming competitive why can people not understand that your form will have a huge impact on attendances? I thought this was a given when trying to build a loyal fan base. If the Phoenix core support is 4,000 to 6,000 then it is still bigger than any NSL regular attendance. A dead semi pro league that lived on life support for most of its existence. Such lofty standards to aspire to...
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+xread an article yesterday that stated the crowds over the Xmas/new year period were above the season average. They are every year. Kids are bored and on holidays. They also lead in the period with each of the derbies But comparatively they are still down on last year Are you really trying to find evidence that things have improved this season? People don't replace a working light globe. If you find yourself sitting in the dark and the switch is on, step 1 is usually admitting the light globe is broken
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southmelb
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Kids are going free as well now.
Current Phoenix game had about 2000 but will be announced as 5k
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+xKids are going free as well now.Current Phoenix game had about 2000 but will be announced as 5k Pretty impressive psychic powers to be able to tell how many people are in a stadium just from seeing half of it on TV.
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southmelb
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+x+xKids are going free as well now.Current Phoenix game had about 2000 but will be announced as 5k Pretty impressive psychic powers to be able to tell how many people are in a stadium just from seeing half of it on TV. Lol the other side is empty, the total crowd is whatever is visible on screen.
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Eldar
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+x+x+xKids are going free as well now.Current Phoenix game had about 2000 but will be announced as 5k Pretty impressive psychic powers to be able to tell how many people are in a stadium just from seeing half of it on TV. Lol the other side is empty, the total crowd is whatever is visible on screen. How do you know? Psychic abilities? Looks like about 5k on this side anyway, you know what 2k looks like right? Take a South Melbourne crowd and times it by 4.
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southmelb
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Few hundred in each bay ffs lol, the camera panned to the other side which was empty.
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Eldar
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+xFew hundred in each bay ffs lol, the camera panned to the other side which was empty. Just saw it then, can confirm not empty.
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I get the impression some people circle the league looking for any bad news because they are desperate to be right. Whatever they think they are doing to prove themselves right is a waste of time as it will not change anything. The Phoenix are in the position they are in because of performance, they lose and they have been losing for a long time. I do believe if they go on a winning streak the crowds will correct themselves.
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Its good there not as we don't need knuts like you running the Nixs down. Plus makes it easier to meet metrics.
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5105 A-League site.
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Why bother with expansion and a second division if it is only going to mean more <5k crowds?
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southmelb
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Because the 5k is coming from NZ (2,000 real crowd)
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10,771 ANZ.
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+xWhy bother with expansion and a second division if it is only going to mean more <5k crowds? Why you so negative. This is an opportunity.
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+xWhy bother with expansion and a second division if it is only going to mean more <5k crowds? a. Correct - Expansion wont make any difference to anything. No-one cares if theres 1 more irrelevant game every weekend b. 2nd Division means Full Pyramid. Instantly linking the whole game together instead of a boring private round-robin. c. Who decides what an acceptable crowd size is ? Or more to the point, why is that a focus? Fix the system first. Whatever the resulting 'level of interest' will at least be real.
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On James McGrath’s twitter feed:
“So according to these stats, #BBL attendance down 16% YOY, #aleague attendance down 10.4% YOY. That's not a statement on either code or competition, that's a statement on how hard it is to actually get people to games”
. austadiums.com/sport/comp.php…
“Further to this, despite the strides the #NBL is making, average attendance is down a whopping 34% YOY. Again, not a comment on that code or competition -- just highlighting the challenges all sports are facing.”
“Meanwhile, #NRL attendance down 2% from 2016 to 2017 and #AFL flat from 2016 to 2017.”
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+xOn James McGrath’s twitter feed:“So according to these stats, #BBL attendance down 16% YOY, #aleague attendance down 10.4% YOY. That's not a statement on either code or competition, that's a statement on how hard it is to actually get people to games”. austadiums.com/sport/comp.php…“Further to this, despite the strides the #NBL is making, average attendance is down a whopping 34% YOY. Again, not a comment on that code or competition -- just highlighting the challenges all sports are facing.”“Meanwhile, #NRL attendance down 2% from 2016 to 2017 and #AFL flat from 2016 to 2017.” But still no one at FFA will grab the obvious point-of-difference available and run with it
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@ Buggalugs.
Agreed. And sadly the ffa will look at figures like that and say “look, we’re not doing so bad”.
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southmelb
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+xOn James McGrath’s twitter feed:“So according to these stats, #BBL attendance down 16% YOY, #aleague attendance down 10.4% YOY. That's not a statement on either code or competition, that's a statement on how hard it is to actually get people to games”. austadiums.com/sport/comp.php…“Further to this, despite the strides the #NBL is making, average attendance is down a whopping 34% YOY. Again, not a comment on that code or competition -- just highlighting the challenges all sports are facing.”“Meanwhile, #NRL attendance down 2% from 2016 to 2017 and #AFL flat from 2016 to 2017.” Bbl stadiums arent empty like ours..and that figure will narrow as they have their plastic derby games coming up.
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+x@ Buggalugs. Agreed. And sadly the ffa will look at figures like that and say “look, we’re not doing so bad”. Hopefully more and more people will boycott
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