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Would the likes of Arzani have an outside of making the squad for the March friendlies? He's a winger with a ton skill more than Leckie and Kruse so he would offer something different to our front line no doubt. 
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Id give him a run in the friendlies.

Leckie and Kruse are probably locks already.
Room for one more IMO. Mabil? Arzani? Oar? Petratos on the right?
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Barca4Life - 27 Jan 2018 11:36 AM
Would the likes of Arzani have an outside of making the squad for the March friendlies? He's a winger with a ton skill more than Leckie and Kruse so he would offer something different to our front line no doubt. 

He'd have definitely had a game i feel if Ange was still manager. But Van Marwijk is going to need every match he can to get the players who'll play in the world cup used to his system. So we'll definitely be seeing the regulars getting the call up.
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He'd have definitely had a game i feel if Ange was still manager. But Van Marwijk is going to need every match he can to get the players who'll play in the world cup used to his system. So we'll definitely be seeing the regulars getting the call up.

That's one thing i miss about Ange not here is he's bravery to bring in new players especially new young talent like what he did with McGree last year, if Ange was still in charge the likes of Arzani, DDS, Pasquali would get considered. 
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Barca4Life - 27 Jan 2018 11:36 AM
Would the likes of Arzani have an outside of making the squad for the March friendlies? He's a winger with a ton skill more than Leckie and Kruse so he would offer something different to our front line no doubt. 

Absolutely he should.
Leckie (and maybe Kruse) are locked in if they stay injury free, but any other spots for wingers are completely open. Arzani is one of the most technically gifted players we have seen in a while, and deserves a chance.  

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Yeah, it’s gonna be tough for BVM to blood many ‘bolters’ now but you’d think he’d be looking at some recent A-league video and given our lack of creativity I reckon Arzani might be a sniff. Kids got something for sure, but it might be too close to the WC for him.

Arnie should have him straight in post-WC for sure anyway. If Iran don’t get to him first.
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He already stated that he wants to play for the Socceroos.
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chondro - 27 Jan 2018 4:05 PM


He already stated that he wants to play for the Socceroos.

Even if he's named in Team Melli's WC 23? 

I've never been one for this comment but... 

Cap him. Now.

Would be a shame to lose such potential.
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Yep. Leaving Daniel Arzani out of the WC squad would be a mistake. If you're good enough, you're old enough (regardless of whether doubters say not old enough or too old). Meritocracy will get the NT playing as well as possible. And that would seem to be somewhat in keeping with the Bert van Marwijk appointment.

For one thing, with the exception of Tom Rogic, there don't seem to be any senior Australian footballers who have decent 1 vs 1 ability. We have a chronic inability to break down opponents. Having this style of footballer would go a long way to solving that.

Imo, at the very least Arzani should come off the bench in Russia. And there's a very good argument for him to start (and then replaced by Tom Rogic for his useful half-an-hour cameo).
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quickflick - 29 Jan 2018 3:49 PM
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Yep. Leaving Daniel Arzani out of the WC squad would be a mistake. If you're good enough, you're old enough (regardless of whether doubters say not old enough or too old). Meritocracy will get the NT playing as well as possible. And that would seem to be somewhat in keeping with the Bert van Marwijk appointment.

For one thing, with the exception of Tom Rogic, there don't seem to be any senior Australian footballers who have decent 1 vs 1 ability. We have a chronic inability to break down opponents. Having this style of footballer would go a long way to solving that.

Imo, at the very least Arzani should come off the bench in Russia. And there's a very good argument for him to start (and then replaced by Tom Rogic for his useful half-an-hour cameo).

That is if he were to play at CAM. I think he has the versatility for that.
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quickflick - 29 Jan 2018 3:51 PM
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That is if he were to play at CAM. I think he has the versatility for that.

For me he's more versatile on the wing as an inside forward either the left or right as he can go past people, he and Rogic with Leckie or Kruse on the other side making those runs in behind is quite apprealing. 
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Barca4Life - 29 Jan 2018 4:25 PM
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For me he's more versatile on the wing as an inside forward either the left or right as he can go past people, he and Rogic with Leckie or Kruse on the other side making those runs in behind is quite apprealing. 

That would be thrilling.

The reasons I reckon starting with Daniel Arzani at CAM are twofold. Firstly, I'll hazard a guess that 60 minutes is fairly ideal for him at this stage. Whereas Tom Rogic tends to be very hit-and-miss when we try to get 90 minutes out of him. Don't get he wrong, some days he'll be the best on the park. But when he plays the last half an hour (against more tired legs), he's far more consistent.

So Arzani could start there, and Rogic could come on for him around the hour mark. That way, we'd have a really good (and fresh) attacking presence just behind the striker(s) the whole match.

Secondly, I'm trying to figure out a way of getting Robbie Kruse and Mathew Leckie in the starting line-up, too. And he'll link up really well with Aaron Mooy.

With the positioning, even though I'd say Arzani could nominally play at CAM. We needn't get too literal about the positioning for him, specifically. The Socceroos might finally have a fantasista (with the dynamic play, the technical ability and the speed/agility) to wander a fair bit and just stretch opposition defences that bit more.

Can you imagine a triangle of Arzani (just behind the strikers), Kruse (on the right) and Mooy (as more of a deeplying playmaker)?
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Why is everyone overlooking Burns as a player who can dance around opponents? He has some of the X Factor needed, and is more effective on goal than either Leckie or Kruse.
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Trouble with rogic is that he only plays at one end. We need players that are active on defense in every position.
Mooy, Irvine etc.
Jedinak and Milligan are the opposite, rarely pushing forward.

A balance might be...

/Ryan/
/Wright/Sainsbury/Williams/Behich/
/Irvine/Jedinak/
/Arzani/Mooy/Leckie/
/Juric/
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quickflick - 29 Jan 2018 5:40 PM
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That would be thrilling.

The reasons I reckon starting with Daniel Arzani at CAM are twofold. Firstly, I'll hazard a guess that 60 minutes is fairly ideal for him at this stage. Whereas Tom Rogic tends to be very hit-and-miss when we try to get 90 minutes out of him. Don't get he wrong, some days he'll be the best on the park. But when he plays the last half an hour (against more tired legs), he's far more consistent.

So Arzani could start there, and Rogic could come on for him around the hour mark. That way, we'd have a really good (and fresh) attacking presence just behind the striker(s) the whole match.

Secondly, I'm trying to figure out a way of getting Robbie Kruse and Mathew Leckie in the starting line-up, too. And he'll link up really well with Aaron Mooy.

With the positioning, even though I'd say Arzani could nominally play at CAM. We needn't get too literal about the positioning for him, specifically. The Socceroos might finally have a fantasista (with the dynamic play, the technical ability and the speed/agility) to wander a fair bit and just stretch opposition defences that bit more.

Can you imagine a triangle of Arzani (just behind the strikers), Kruse (on the right) and Mooy (as more of a deeplying playmaker)?

lol you still dislike Leckie?

Leckie should be one of the first players picked in the team. 



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chondro - 29 Jan 2018 6:28 PM
Trouble with rogic is that he only plays at one end. We need players that are active on defense in every position.Mooy, Irvine etc.Jedinak and Milligan are the opposite, rarely pushing forward.A balance might be.../Ryan//Wright/Sainsbury/Williams/Behich//Irvine/Jedinak//Arzani/Mooy/Leckie//Juric/

I'll be shocked if Rogic starts under the new gaffer, absolutely no way he'll have a luxury player on a team like ours.
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chondro - 29 Jan 2018 6:28 PM
Trouble with rogic is that he only plays at one end. We need players that are active on defense in every position.Mooy, Irvine etc.Jedinak and Milligan are the opposite, rarely pushing forward.A balance might be.../Ryan//Wright/Sainsbury/Williams/Behich//Irvine/Jedinak//Arzani/Mooy/Leckie//Juric/

there's a way to manage rogic

wright------jedinak-----jurman------behich
-------------antonis-------brillante
leckie-------------mooy---------------arzani
-------------------rrrrrogic

 




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scott21 - 29 Jan 2018 7:00 PM
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lol you still dislike Leckie?

Leckie should be one of the first players picked in the team. 



Lol, I never did dislike Leckie. And Leckie is one of the first players I'd have in a starting line-up at present (as my post suggested). But that doesn't mean that Robbie Kruse is a slouch.

I was simply suggesting that our NT could play some special football with Kruse, Arzani and Mooy operating in close proximity.

My criticism of Leckie has only ever been that his attacking style has tended to be rather one-dimensional. That said, he has been in good form, has been very good for the Socceroos and may well have turned a corner. I never had any personal dislike of Leckie. As it happens, one of my old school friends is a friend (and former teammate) of Leckie's. He sounds a decent bloke from my mate's accounts.

Anyway, if we play 3-5-2 then I reckon Leckie should play at right wingback. If we play 4-2-3-1 (with a flat back four), I'd opt for Leckie at left wing and Kruse at right-wing.
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Juric scored 3 goals against SA in 2 games. The first one in Adelaide was a freebie. But it means the manager knows he can score. 



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chondro - 29 Jan 2018 6:28 PM
Trouble with rogic is that he only plays at one end. We need players that are active on defense in every position.Mooy, Irvine etc.Jedinak and Milligan are the opposite, rarely pushing forward.A balance might be.../Ryan//Wright/Sainsbury/Williams/Behich//Irvine/Jedinak//Arzani/Mooy/Leckie//Juric/

Damn, I'm a fan o the defensive strength of that side.

Ideally, I'd opt for Mooy to play at CDM. But yours makes it rather defensively robust if Mooy at the top of an defensive midfield triangle. With that, Arzani is an absolute must at right-wing, to bring 1 vs 1 ability.

The only thing I'd add is that when Robbie Kruse has a good game, he makes such a big difference for us. I can't stop thinking he should be a starter.

It has been a while since I've been so unsure of exactly what I reckon the formation and structure of our XI should look like. We finally have some more options.
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Kruse doesn't have the same defensive capabilities as leckie.
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I dont think Brilliante has done enough, would prefer irvine as he is better defensively, positionaly and if let roam forward or from corners can score. Brillante makes me nervous as nearly every game he pulls some tackle that leaves me wondering how on earth ge didnt get carded for.
Antonis and arzani seem good in the a league curious what bvm thinks of their skill comparatively. I dont think arzani has the playmaking or passing skills of mooy to sit in the middle and he'd be hard pressed to push out kruse. 
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I dont think Brilliante has done enough, would prefer irvine as he is better defensively, positionaly and if let roam forward or from corners can score. Brillante makes me nervous as nearly every game he pulls some tackle that leaves me wondering how on earth ge didnt get carded for.
Antonis and arzani seem good in the a league curious what bvm thinks of their skill comparatively. I dont think arzani has the playmaking or passing skills of mooy to sit in the middle and he'd be hard pressed to push out kruse. 

With Timmy and Miiligan leaving there perhaps wont be any A-League players in the squad. 
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With Timmy and Miiligan leaving there perhaps wont be any A-League players in the squad. 

I'm not exactly sure what to expect with BVM. He's a pragmatist. But if he's pragmatic, he'll surely bring Arzani and probably Dimitri Petratos along.

In much the same way that Ange lacked pragmatism (for most of the qualification campaign) by failing to bring defensive balance until the end, it would be very stupid to leave behind attacking options.

BVM will know that we didn't score from open play for God knows how long. It's a real problem for the NT. We need footballers who can break down oppositions defences and score. That way, when we do have chances we don't waste them so often. Cahill and Juric, yep. But, imo, Petratos is more likely to score goals (or lead to goal-scoring opportunities) than Maclaren, for example. There's room for him there. And Arzani is a must given he seems to posses skills which no other senior Australian footballers ever display (except Rogic). There's room for those two, at the very least.
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quickflick - 29 Jan 2018 9:54 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what to expect with BVM. He's a pragmatist. But if he's pragmatic, he'll surely bring Arzani and probably Dimitri Petratos along.

In much the same way that Ange lacked pragmatism (for most of the qualification campaign) by failing to bring defensive balance until the end, it would be very stupid to leave behind attacking options.

BVM will know that we didn't score from open play for God knows how long. It's a real problem for the NT. We need footballers who can break down oppositions defences and score. That way, when we do have chances we don't waste them so often. Cahill and Juric, yep. But, imo, Petratos is more likely to score goals (or lead to goal-scoring opportunities) than Maclaren, for example. There's room for him there. And Arzani is a must given he seems to posses skills which no other senior Australian footballers ever display (except Rogic). There's room for those two, at the very least.

JMac suffers from what most A-League players do, they play the same teams all the time. He had something like 10 goals against WSW in 2 years because they played each other 7 or 8 times. 

I think this would be a factor that is taken into account. 

Norway should be an experiment game and Colombia the best team. Sweden would have been better than Norway because they are stronger and players are playing for WC spots. They alreay had Chile booked though. When I say experiment, I mean upper fringe starting xi players. 

We have much better players outside of Australia at the moment. They are used to higher pressure situations. We have a chance to get out of our group and the new manager wont be stuffing around with maybe players. 

Hopefully Golgol gets a chance now and Jones is up for selection again. 
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scott21 - 29 Jan 2018 10:09 PM
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JMac suffers from what most A-League players do, they play the same teams all the time. He had something like 10 goals against WSW in 2 years because they played each other 7 or 8 times. 

I think this would be a factor that is taken into account. 

Norway should be an experiment game and Colombia the best team. Sweden would have been better than Norway because they are stronger and players are playing for WC spots. They alreay had Chile booked though. When I say experiment, I mean upper fringe starting xi players. 

We have much better players outside of Australia at the moment. They are used to higher pressure situations. We have a chance to get out of our group and the new manager wont be stuffing around with maybe players. 

Hopefully Golgol gets a chance now and Jones is up for selection again. 

Ahhh I forgot all about Golgol. He is perhaps a better option than Petratos. And I agree that Brad Jones should, at the very least, be in the squad.

I'm not the type to defend the A-League for the sake of defending the A-League. I agree with you that, largely, we have much better players outside Australia at the moment. Having said that, Arzani is something special and should be there if only because there basically are no other senior Aussie footballers in attacking positions that gifted (except Mooy and Rogic). The NT can ill-afford to leave him at home.
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Footballking55 - 29 Jan 2018 5:53 PM
Why is everyone overlooking Burns as a player who can dance around opponents? He has some of the X Factor needed, and is more effective on goal than either Leckie or Kruse.

Agree burns is a seriously good footballer been very unlucky his whole career. When he's been given a consistent run at each a league team he has smashed it
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ISAIAS SANCHEZ INELIGIBLE TO REPRESENT SOCCEROOS AT THE WORLD CUP

Adelaide United's Spanish captain Isaias Sanchez won't be available for Australian World Cup selection after it was revealed he fails to meet the eligibility criteria.

Isaias, who is due to receive his Australian visa imminently, was hoping to represent the green and gold in Russia once eligible.

But according to former Asian Football Confederation head of legal James Kitching, the defensive midfielder will not be allowed by FIFA to represent the Socceroos until after the World Cup.

"Unfortunately, he will miss out by a matter of months, if not weeks. Because Isaías doesn't qualify through heritage, he would need to have lived continuously in Australia for five years after turning 18," Kitching told The World Game.

"His five years arrives in July 2018, during or after World Cup. But he will be eligible for the 2019 Asian Cup."

Isaias has been one of the in-form central midfielders in the A-League - leading to calls for his national team selection.

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The 30-year-old admitted as recently as December that representing Australia would be a 'dream'.

"Being a Socceroo is in the back of my mind," Isaias told The Advertiser following the Reds' 1-0 loss to Sydney FC.

"It will be a dream for me but I know it will be difficult because Australia has very good midfielders and very good players to choose from.

"But of course I always dream big and one of these challenges is to represent Australia."

The Socceroos will face France, Peru and Denmark at June's World Cup in Russia.

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Van Marwijk should give forgotten Socceroos a chance, says Chipperfield


Former Socceroos stalwart Scott Chipperfield wants new Australia boss Bert van Marwijk to go back to the future and recall forgotten men Luke Wilkshire and Rhys Williams for the 2018 FIFA World Cup.



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