National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


National second division is kicking off with or without FFA

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Lol

People don't want FFA to pay for a second division.

Clubs agree to pay for it themselves and it is called extortion.
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Gyfox - 19 Feb 2018 5:20 PM
libel - 19 Feb 2018 5:11 PM

Its to pay the consultants that they have engaged to select the successful bidders. (and to establish a slush fund)

Actually - the $10,000 is refundable to unsuccessful bidders - it's there to make sure that bid process is taken seriously.  The equivilent of putting up a sign that reads, "No time wasters"
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Yeah it was an $8000 refund I think.
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You dont even know what the criteria is, are expected to pay $10,000 to get it, not guaranteed a spot, and might get $8k back one day...

and to pay consultants?

yep, sounds so much different to FFA
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nice and vague

yep sounding more and more like FFA every minute
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All kinda irrelevant if when Endorsement isn't going to come through

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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No they have stated it will be pretty much the same as NPL criteria with some differences.

FFA have never stated any criteria. They did state "4 pillars of success"
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but you have to hand over $10k to actually find out those differences...
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Yes, because clubs are willing to find the league themselves.
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and the consultants have to get paid from somewhere
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libel - 19 Feb 2018 5:28 PM
You dont even know what the criteria is, are expected to pay $10,000 to get it, not guaranteed a spot, and might get $8k back one day...

and to pay consultants?

yep, sounds so much different to FFA

Unsuccessful bidders WILL get 80% of their money back (plus confirmation that they are out of the running), the other 20% being used to run an independent bid evaluation (rather than the FFA using every stakeholder's money to run their long bidding process before giving the licenses to their friends - and never bothering to tell the unsuccessful bidders that the process is over).
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libel - 19 Feb 2018 5:59 PM
but you have to hand over $10k to actually find out those differences...

If you're not interested enough or able to put up $10k to see the criteria, then you really aren't any use to a professional league.  If you can't handle losing $2k as an unsuccessful bidder then football certainly isn't the right business for you.
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 4:57 PM
scott21 - 11 Jan 2018 5:15 AM



This timeline has shifted slightly due to FIFAs arrival. 


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Do you expect a national 2nd division to be fully run and administrated by volunteers?
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Libels Sydney FC to be the first HAL side relegated. Scenes.



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With krayem at the helm, im sure everything will work out just fine...after all, he does have a track record of success
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I understand that anonymous forums serve the obvious purpose of pushing agendas but may I suggest you perhaps read the whole document before you selectively quote incorrectly?

In addition, why not attend your nearest AAFC roadshow? Link can be found below:

http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news

This way you’ll get to iron out all your speculation and report accurately to the 442 forum audience, provided you’re open to honest and transparent forum reporting of course, and a free of speculative-based agendas.

Cheers.
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I believe it when I see it.
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libel - 19 Feb 2018 6:06 PM
With krayem at the helm, im sure everything will work out just fine...after all, he does have a track record of success

Rehash from Krones salty bitter argument. Aren't you intelligent to form your own thoughts and opinions?


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TheSelectFew - 19 Feb 2018 6:04 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 4:57 PM

This timeline has shifted slightly due to FIFAs arrival. 

and the new timeline is............................

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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...and shifting timelines

Another tick in the box
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It shifterd because of FFA.
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scott21 - 19 Feb 2018 6:23 PM
It shifterd because of FFA.

So FFA are still running the show.

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 6:44 PM
scott21 - 19 Feb 2018 6:23 PM

So FFA are still running the show.

I think it is more along the lines of AAFC willingness to work with FFA. They dont want to be a rebel league. 
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AAFC were always open that they were going to work with FFA, APFCA, State Feds. The timeline has shifted because FFA wanted to establish a second division working group and that process has dragged on.

They're having more meetings whilst everyone is in Sydney for the FIFA.
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scott21 - 19 Feb 2018 6:49 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 6:44 PM

I think it is more along the lines of AAFC willingness to work with FFA. They dont want to be a rebel league. 

They can't be a Rebel League, they'd be dead by end of season 1

FFA know it

FFA are running the show

But hey, let's look forward to 2 more mid table Franchises in FOX's chosen geographic zones.  I wonder what kit they'll be wearing.

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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bigpoppa - 19 Feb 2018 6:53 PM
The timeline has shifted because FFA wanted to establish a second division working group.

Wut ?  when ? where ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 6:58 PM
scott21 - 19 Feb 2018 6:49 PM

They can't be a Rebel League, they'd be dead by end of season 1

FFA know it

FFA are running the show

But hey, let's look forward to 2 more mid table Franchises in FOX's chosen geographic zones.  I wonder what kit they'll be wearing.

Whether or not AAFC get a division up and running, the 2 team expansion was going to happen and no more teams before the end of the current tv deal. 
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scott21 - 19 Feb 2018 6:59 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 19 Feb 2018 6:58 PM

Whether or not AAFC get a division up and running, the 2 team expansion was going to happen and no more teams before the end of the current tv deal. 

There is a bonus in the broadcast deal that could fund 2 extra teams in the 5th and 6th year.  The revised league model and corporate structure that is to be negotiated this year may allow expansion and more sustainable clubs to be achieved.
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