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+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Yep, it just smacks to me of political point scoring about muh Russia narrative. The whole point is for everyone to come together as fans of football, but more importantly people from different cultures and backgrounds. May, and her political opportunism and patriotic chest-beating can fuck off.
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+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about politicians. Terrorists have committed crimes in so many countries in recent times including London. Not once has May or any other English politician come out and claimed that they will boycott because of the links between Qatar and terrorism. However she's going ape shit about Russia. They're yet to qualify for Qatar. And that's in four years as opposed to three months. This is slightly more urgent. I agree with you that Qatar's transgressions justify their being stripped of hosting rights (never mind boycotts). However, the link between Qatar and specific terrorist acts carried out on British soil is way more tenuous than the link between the Kremlin and the use of a Russian military grade nerve agent (which is not supposed to exist any more and the provenance of which Russia cannot explain) against a known traitor of the Russian Federation on British soil.
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+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). However she's going ape shit about Russia. Because it was a murder committed on their soil on one of their citizens. Even in this day and age there are 'rules' and 'lines' that shouldn't be crossed despite all the other stuff going on. That's why she's gone bananas.
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As far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway.
The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something.
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+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament.
Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442
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+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament.
Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup"
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+x+xNever heard something so stupid. Whinging poms. Just ban Chelsea players from the England Squad Co-incidence ?
But based on the briefings he has received, he said: "We are preparing to go to the World Cup. There is no doubt in my mind that is what we should be doing."
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Southgate said it had been "a very difficult call" to drop Cahill, who has captained England before, and left open the possibility of the Chelsea player returning for the World Cup in Russia in June.
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+x+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament.
Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup" of course he said that That's not what I quoted though
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). However she's going ape shit about Russia. Because it was a murder committed on their soil on one of their citizens. Even in this day and age there are 'rules' and 'lines' that shouldn't be crossed despite all the other stuff going on. That's why she's gone bananas. Terrorist attacks have also been committed in London on home soil. It's no secret who funds them. There's actually more evidence in this case pointing fingers at those responsible, where as in this case it's an attack against a Russian spy, not innocent civilians, and in top of that it's only speculation.
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https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/how-britain-can-respond-skripal-attackChatham House article (Nigel Gould-Davies and James Nixey) proposing and weighing up potential UK responses. It argues that pulling the England team out is not worth it as it would have nothing other than limited symbolic value. England would basically be alone in boycotting. The article doesn't go so far as to suggest this is because of the geopolitical balance of power (and the USMNT not having qualified), but I think that's a big factor. There's another Chatham House article which interprets the attack as a test of Britain's resolve and standing in the West. Both articles are, imo, spot on. Putin is playing a chess game and is several moves ahead of his opponent. Putin knows full well that a team boycott won't do nothing. If the USMNT had qualified and if Trump wasn't in power (preferably Bernie Sanders), then it would be a very different story. Britain and the US would be able to impose big sanctions (including team boycotts) and probably whip France and Germany into line. But, as Vladimir Putin knows full well, it's a Trump administration and Britain and Europe are trying to settle a divorce. Putin is laughing. This all feels a bit like a contemporary and proxy version of the Fall of Singapore.
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This still has nothing to do with australia or australian football. Not once have i seen Putin mention Arzani in any of these articles. May could be envious of our spew jersey. Im pretty sure Trump is worried about lack of depth at LB. While Merckel has finally got together her coalition like we all knew she would, she still hasnt said anything yet about German funding of a 2nd division
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Boris Johnson has likened the way President Putin is promoting the World Cup in Russia to Hitler's notorious use of the 1936 Berlin Olympics.The foreign secretary said Labour MP Ian Austin was "completely right" to say Russia's president wanted to "gloss over [his] brutal corrupt regime". Mr Johnson said that he would have an "urgent conversation" with Russia about the safety of fans at the tournament. A Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said he was "poisoned with hatred". A Downing Street spokesman confirmed Mr Johnson was speaking on behalf of the government and that they were working closely with police on plans for the World Cup. The foreign secretary said it was of "crucial importance" in light of 23 British diplomats being expelled from Russia - including the individual responsible for football fans. So far, there have been 24,000 applications from England fans to attend the World Cup this summer, compared with 94,000 at the same stage in the build-up to Rio in 2014. Mr Johnson said: "The numbers are well down but that does not mean we are not deeply concerned about how they may be treated. . . . However, when Mr Austin said he believed the football team should pull out of the competition, Mr Johnson disagreed. "On balance it would be wrong to punish them [the fans] or the team who have worked on this for an incredibly long time, given up their lives to it," he said. On the issue of fan safety, Mr Johnson said he needed to have an "urgent conversation" with the Russians around how they "propose to fulfil their obligations under their FIFA contract to look after all fans".
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+x+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament.
Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup" :laugh:
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Australia to expel Russian diplomats over Salisbury ex-spy poisoning
The Federal Government is expelling two Russian spies from Australia within a week, in solidarity with the United Kingdom over a nerve agent attack earlier this month.
Australia's actions mirror the response taken by the United States and more than a dozen European nations in response to the attempted murder of a Russian double agent in Salisbury in England. "This decision reflects the shocking nature of the attack — the first offensive use of chemical weapons in Europe since World War II, involving a highly lethal substance in a populated area, endangering countless other members of the community," the statement said. "Such an attack cannot be tolerated by any sovereign nation. We strongly support the call on Russia to disclose the full extent of its chemical weapons program in accordance with international law."
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Australia's Deputy Prime Minister, Julie Bishop, has claimed that Australia is considering boycotting the 2018 World Cup in the aftermath of the Skripal affair.The Australian government is considering boycotting the 2018 World Cup as it looks to continue the global backlash against Russia for the perceived state-organised attempted-assassination of prominent Russian defectors, Sergei and Yulia Skripal.
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So this Christopher Steel is now being linked again First to Qatar & Russia World Cup fix, then to the dodgy dossier being used by the Clintons on Trump, now the shitstorm ahead of the World Cup also was MI6 investigator for the Litvenko poisoning
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No evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots.
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+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD saysThen westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant.
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It was a perfect message for the Russians to get out. If you're a spy or traitor, we'll get you anywhere and anytime. And they knew the British and other governments would act as their mouth piece. Cunning!
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@ T +x+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD saysThen westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant. lol @ thinking Navalny had a shot, was hoping they allowed him to run. This thread is embarrassing and in the Football section. I'll leave the damage control to the Russiaphobes who are Russia experts living in Australia ffs.
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^^ It's ridiculous isn't it. All things being equal and on the balance of probabilities it's more likely than not that Russia was involved in this.
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+x^^ It's ridiculous isn't it. All things being equal and on the balance of probabilities it's more likely than not that Russia was involved in this. On the balance of probability I have no issue if people assumed that there was involvement, especially with the mass negativity surrounding Russia (sometimes based on lies, sometimes true, sometimes stretching truth).A lot of incidents have been falsely assumed in the past (See Iraq WMD etc). When the media reports "facts" which are debunked it makes you question it. When a foreign country which lacks evidence makes up information and the media eat it up, that's concerning. That's on some pravda crap. When the Western Media sound the same as Russian government controlled media that is concerning for me. Putin is no angel, not even a fan of him, working in Moscow for the majority of the past 12 years I have found him polarizing, I agree with some policies then I find some odd. He is no super chess player outwitting the West, people like to assume because he was KGB he is so good bluffing Western politicians on foreign policy. He has played a fairly weak hand to his advantage over the years, most of it being extremely predictable but our politicians are always too busy failing to understand Russia or thinking every move is a bluff.. while continuing business with Russia.
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+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD saysThen westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The media in the western world doesn't need proof. All they need to do to convince the gullible public is throw up some bullshit allocations to deceive the public.
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+x@ T +x+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD saysThen westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant. lol @ thinking Navalny had a shot, was hoping they allowed him to run. This thread is embarrassing and in the Football section. I'll leave the damage control to the Russiaphobes who are Russia experts living in Australia ffs. I don't live in Australia but don't let the pravda get in the way of a good story
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What is it, again, that they say? There's no truth in the news and no news in the truth? ;)
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