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An article from news.com.au on 13 March, 2018,, author(s) listed as Debra Killalea. Full story in the link
Too hard to format the article. So I'll just leave the link. http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/sergei-skripal-fifa-world-cup-boycott-looms-amid-russias-spy-scandal/news-story/f60f604aaae5c03e32043489dde297ab
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I highly doubt there'll be any meaningful boycott less than 3 months from D-Day (i.e. teams not going). But, if Russia is found to be involved in this disgrace, then it would probably be fitting if all HMG officials are forbidden from attending, same goes for Australian Government officials and a coalition of like-minded nations who actually will do something.
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+xI highly doubt there'll be any meaningful boycott less than 3 months from D-Day (i.e. teams not going). But, if Russia is found to be involved in this disgrace, then it would probably be fitting if all HMG officials are forbidden from attending, same goes for Australian Government officials and a coalition of like-minded nations who actually will do something. Yeah, can't imagine teams not showing up, too much money involved, but politicians is doable. Side note: it's sad that every time an authoritarian government gets criticised, they always claim it's a western plot to besmirch their good reputation. American movies give them too much credit, these guys are un-creative as fuck.
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I keep hearing boycotts and bribes but nothing happens?
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+x+xI highly doubt there'll be any meaningful boycott less than 3 months from D-Day (i.e. teams not going). But, if Russia is found to be involved in this disgrace, then it would probably be fitting if all HMG officials are forbidden from attending, same goes for Australian Government officials and a coalition of like-minded nations who actually will do something. Yeah, can't imagine teams not showing up, too much money involved, but politicians is doable. Side note: it's sad that every time an authoritarian government gets criticised, they always claim it's a western plot to besmirch their good reputation. American movies give them too much credit, these guys are un-creative as fuck. If there was a team boycott, it would surely have to be led by the UK (so England). But Theresa May's government has a really narrow majority in the House of Commons. I reckon she'd think it politically stupid to attempt to prevent England from playing. Boris Johnson might well exert some pressure. But I'd be staggered if May's government tried it and risked losing her majority. The whole Brexit thing has divided the country enough, this would be extra fuel being added to the fire. Too great risk of going to a general election, Labour winning that and Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM very soon. But there are other things she definitely can do without risking her majority. And I wholeheartedly hope that our government supports those measures.
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+x+xI highly doubt there'll be any meaningful boycott less than 3 months from D-Day (i.e. teams not going). But, if Russia is found to be involved in this disgrace, then it would probably be fitting if all HMG officials are forbidden from attending, same goes for Australian Government officials and a coalition of like-minded nations who actually will do something. American movies give them too much credit, these guys are un-creative as fuck. Honestly, I think that's the whole idea. They're sending out a very clear message- if you betray us, we will find you, anywhere in the world, no matter who's protecting you and we will kill you. The Kremlin can fall back on plausible deniability (as they've done with electoral interference). From a legal perspective, it ends up being impossible to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that they're responsible. And, the British justice system (and ours) opposes any conviction which doesn't meet that standard of proof. And that's a good thing. But because it's a Russian nerve agent it's obvious as fark who did it. If they wanted to carry out an assassination and leave other states doubtful, they could. But the Kremlin does not want to do that. They want everybody to know it was them. They want to use the West's laws and customs against them. Putin is laughing at May in her face and she can't respond in the way she wants. It's about humiliation for Britain and intimidation for those whom they think of as traitors. This is the Kremlin version of sticking heads on the spikes of London Bridge.
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Any country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself.
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+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war'
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+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation.
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+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw.
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+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past.
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+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Reading the above posts and the ramblings therein I'm thinking robstazzz gets his news from infowars.com. Bloody hell.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Reading the above posts and the ramblings therein I'm thinking robstazzz gets his news from infowars.com. Bloody hell. And I'm thinking you get yours from that reliable source known as CNN. Bloody hell.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Reading the above posts and the ramblings therein I'm thinking robstazzz gets his news from infowars.com. Bloody hell. And I'm thinking you get yours from that reliable source known as CNN. Bloody hell. Moon landings fake? 9-11 inside job? Contrails? Flat earth? What else do you believe in? And yes, on the balance of evidence, multiple sources, verifiable facts, cross checking by other news outlets CNN shits all over your tin foil hat wearing Alez Jones type fruit loops. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Russia, or Russian backed agents, blew up that jet. Jesus Christ, they caught the guy bragging about it on social media and on a phone call. Fake I suppose. #SAD.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Reading the above posts and the ramblings therein I'm thinking robstazzz gets his news from infowars.com. Bloody hell. And I'm thinking you get yours from that reliable source known as CNN. Bloody hell. Moon landings fake? 9-11 inside job? Contrails? Flat earth? What else do you believe in? And yes, on the balance of evidence, multiple sources, verifiable facts, cross checking by other news outlets CNN shits all over your tin foil hat wearing Alez Jones type fruit loops. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Russia, or Russian backed agents, blew up that jet. Jesus Christ, they caught the guy bragging about it on social media and on a phone call. Fake I suppose. #SAD. I think it's extremely sad you still to this day refuse to admit 9/11 was an inside job. Very sad indeed. The other bullshit you mentioned no I don't believe in at all. I only believe in facts. Something you're clearly oblivious to.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Yeh but I don't need to believe that lie. From what I saw, the inspectors came and on their own judgement left the scene because it was too dangerous as there was still fighting going on. That area wasn't considered a no fly zone for no good reason. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? I don't trust a word that comes out of BBC, CNN, and all those garbage bullshit news channels. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. When the same questions are thrown at the politicians on the other side throwing the accusations they simply ignore the question and refuse to answer. Even when the actual results of the investigation came out the report itself said they had no proof who shot the plane so it could have been either side, some reports even claimed the missile that was claimed to be used couldn't reach those heights, therefore it could have been a bomb on board. The whole thing is clouded and it's simply wrong to point the finger and acuse someone without any evidence and pretty much nothing but speculation. Yet England admitted themselves that they support the rebels in Syria. That isn't fake evidence as it came from their own mouths and same with America and many other countries. This isn't speculation this is fact as they've admitted it so again what's with the finger pointing? I'd much rather side with the man accused of poisoning someone who was proven to be a traitor to his country instead of someone who have assistance to a terrorist group taking videos of beheading innocent people, men, woman, and children. We're really not going to agree on much here because clearly we both have very different views on the matters but in my mind it's a evil world out there and I won't support a boycott of the Russian World Cup at all, in fact I hope it'll be a gigantic success, but I won't expect to hear about anything but negatives about it once it comes through our very own biased bullshit media we have.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? Patently untrue. Malaysian weren't the only airline flying that route. And the route was declared safe. But you know don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. http://theconversation.com/why-was-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-flying-over-ukraine-29372And if you're wrong about such simple, verifiable facts, how can you be trusted with the dribble coming out of your mouth on any other subject?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? Patently untrue. Malaysian weren't the only airline flying that route. And the route was declared safe. But you know don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. http://theconversation.com/why-was-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-flying-over-ukraine-29372And if you're wrong about such simple, verifiable facts, how can you be trusted with the dribble coming out of your mouth on any other subject? Hahahaha you post that article as fact. Fuck me dead! You do realise the source right?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? Patently untrue. Malaysian weren't the only airline flying that route. And the route was declared safe. But you know don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. http://theconversation.com/why-was-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-flying-over-ukraine-29372And if you're wrong about such simple, verifiable facts, how can you be trusted with the dribble coming out of your mouth on any other subject? Hahahaha you post that article as fact. Fuck me dead! You do realise the source right? European air traffic control group Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had closed the airspace from the ground level to 32,000 feet but the airspace at 33,000 feet, where MH17 was flying at the time it was shot down, had remained open. Malaysia Airlines said the usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. The International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/malaysia-airlines-mh17-australian-expert-questions-flights-ukraine-route-20140718-zuilw.html
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Yeh but I don't need to believe that lie. From what I saw, the inspectors came and on their own judgement left the scene because it was too dangerous as there was still fighting going on. That area wasn't considered a no fly zone for no good reason. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? I don't trust a word that comes out of BBC, CNN, and all those garbage bullshit news channels. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. When the same questions are thrown at the politicians on the other side throwing the accusations they simply ignore the question and refuse to answer. Even when the actual results of the investigation came out the report itself said they had no proof who shot the plane so it could have been either side, some reports even claimed the missile that was claimed to be used couldn't reach those heights, therefore it could have been a bomb on board. The whole thing is clouded and it's simply wrong to point the finger and acuse someone without any evidence and pretty much nothing but speculation. Yet England admitted themselves that they support the rebels in Syria. That isn't fake evidence as it came from their own mouths and same with America and many other countries. This isn't speculation this is fact as they've admitted it so again what's with the finger pointing? I'd much rather side with the man accused of poisoning someone who was proven to be a traitor to his country instead of someone who have assistance to a terrorist group taking videos of beheading innocent people, men, woman, and children. We're really not going to agree on much here because clearly we both have very different views on the matters but in my mind it's a evil world out there and I won't support a boycott of the Russian World Cup at all, in fact I hope it'll be a gigantic success, but I won't expect to hear about anything but negatives about it once it comes through our very own biased bullshit media we have. Plenty of other media to go to. If you don't trust BBC then don't read a Czech paper like Pravda that's for sure. Sorry mate, there's healthy skepticism and unhealthy skepticism. You can rail against any media outlet you want. You get on to youtube, watch the video of the paramilitaries arriving first at the scene, expressing their incredulity that they shot down a civilian plane, scramble to recover the blackboxes, all in the Russian language, and just dare to think they're Russians, not Ukrainians who in a fit of confusion forgot they don't natively speak the language of their ethnic opponent. Alternatively, there's some great journalism from the likes of Anna Politkovskaya as to what is going on within Russia and its treatment of journalism and the free flow of information. Journalists aren't murdered for writing bad fiction. Alternatively you can see the Russian commander gloating on twitter that he just shot the plane down. Oh wait, it's deleted. Innocent people don't distance themselves from their own words.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Yeh but I don't need to believe that lie. From what I saw, the inspectors came and on their own judgement left the scene because it was too dangerous as there was still fighting going on. That area wasn't considered a no fly zone for no good reason. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? I don't trust a word that comes out of BBC, CNN, and all those garbage bullshit news channels. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. When the same questions are thrown at the politicians on the other side throwing the accusations they simply ignore the question and refuse to answer. Even when the actual results of the investigation came out the report itself said they had no proof who shot the plane so it could have been either side, some reports even claimed the missile that was claimed to be used couldn't reach those heights, therefore it could have been a bomb on board. The whole thing is clouded and it's simply wrong to point the finger and acuse someone without any evidence and pretty much nothing but speculation. Yet England admitted themselves that they support the rebels in Syria. That isn't fake evidence as it came from their own mouths and same with America and many other countries. This isn't speculation this is fact as they've admitted it so again what's with the finger pointing? I'd much rather side with the man accused of poisoning someone who was proven to be a traitor to his country instead of someone who have assistance to a terrorist group taking videos of beheading innocent people, men, woman, and children. We're really not going to agree on much here because clearly we both have very different views on the matters but in my mind it's a evil world out there and I won't support a boycott of the Russian World Cup at all, in fact I hope it'll be a gigantic success, but I won't expect to hear about anything but negatives about it once it comes through our very own biased bullshit media we have. Plenty of other media to go to. If you don't trust BBC then don't read a Czech paper like Pravda that's for sure. Sorry mate, there's healthy skepticism and unhealthy skepticism. You can rail against any media outlet you want. You get on to youtube, watch the video of the paramilitaries arriving first at the scene, expressing their incredulity that they shot down a civilian plane, scramble to recover the blackboxes, all in the Russian language, and just dare to think they're Russians, not Ukrainians who in a fit of confusion forgot they don't natively speak the language of their ethnic opponent. Do you mean this?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Yeh but I don't need to believe that lie. From what I saw, the inspectors came and on their own judgement left the scene because it was too dangerous as there was still fighting going on. That area wasn't considered a no fly zone for no good reason. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? I don't trust a word that comes out of BBC, CNN, and all those garbage bullshit news channels. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. When the same questions are thrown at the politicians on the other side throwing the accusations they simply ignore the question and refuse to answer. Even when the actual results of the investigation came out the report itself said they had no proof who shot the plane so it could have been either side, some reports even claimed the missile that was claimed to be used couldn't reach those heights, therefore it could have been a bomb on board. The whole thing is clouded and it's simply wrong to point the finger and acuse someone without any evidence and pretty much nothing but speculation. Yet England admitted themselves that they support the rebels in Syria. That isn't fake evidence as it came from their own mouths and same with America and many other countries. This isn't speculation this is fact as they've admitted it so again what's with the finger pointing? I'd much rather side with the man accused of poisoning someone who was proven to be a traitor to his country instead of someone who have assistance to a terrorist group taking videos of beheading innocent people, men, woman, and children. We're really not going to agree on much here because clearly we both have very different views on the matters but in my mind it's a evil world out there and I won't support a boycott of the Russian World Cup at all, in fact I hope it'll be a gigantic success, but I won't expect to hear about anything but negatives about it once it comes through our very own biased bullshit media we have. Plenty of other media to go to. If you don't trust BBC then don't read a Czech paper like Pravda that's for sure. Sorry mate, there's healthy skepticism and unhealthy skepticism. You can rail against any media outlet you want. You get on to youtube, watch the video of the paramilitaries arriving first at the scene, expressing their incredulity that they shot down a civilian plane, scramble to recover the blackboxes, all in the Russian language, and just dare to think they're Russians, not Ukrainians who in a fit of confusion forgot they don't natively speak the language of their ethnic opponent. Do you mean this? I'm aware of that one, but no, was talking about ones with them standing in the wreckage sifting through it (not phone intercepts).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Yeh but I don't need to believe that lie. From what I saw, the inspectors came and on their own judgement left the scene because it was too dangerous as there was still fighting going on. That area wasn't considered a no fly zone for no good reason. Explain to me why a commercial airline ( which in recent times had one of their planes missing till this day ) would choose this route when every single other airline avoided this path? I don't trust a word that comes out of BBC, CNN, and all those garbage bullshit news channels. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. When the same questions are thrown at the politicians on the other side throwing the accusations they simply ignore the question and refuse to answer. Even when the actual results of the investigation came out the report itself said they had no proof who shot the plane so it could have been either side, some reports even claimed the missile that was claimed to be used couldn't reach those heights, therefore it could have been a bomb on board. The whole thing is clouded and it's simply wrong to point the finger and acuse someone without any evidence and pretty much nothing but speculation. Yet England admitted themselves that they support the rebels in Syria. That isn't fake evidence as it came from their own mouths and same with America and many other countries. This isn't speculation this is fact as they've admitted it so again what's with the finger pointing? I'd much rather side with the man accused of poisoning someone who was proven to be a traitor to his country instead of someone who have assistance to a terrorist group taking videos of beheading innocent people, men, woman, and children. We're really not going to agree on much here because clearly we both have very different views on the matters but in my mind it's a evil world out there and I won't support a boycott of the Russian World Cup at all, in fact I hope it'll be a gigantic success, but I won't expect to hear about anything but negatives about it once it comes through our very own biased bullshit media we have. Plenty of other media to go to. If you don't trust BBC then don't read a Czech paper like Pravda that's for sure. Sorry mate, there's healthy skepticism and unhealthy skepticism. You can rail against any media outlet you want. You get on to youtube, watch the video of the paramilitaries arriving first at the scene, expressing their incredulity that they shot down a civilian plane, scramble to recover the blackboxes, all in the Russian language, and just dare to think they're Russians, not Ukrainians who in a fit of confusion forgot they don't natively speak the language of their ethnic opponent. Do you mean this? I'm aware of that one, but no, was talking about ones with them standing in the wreckage sifting through it (not phone intercepts). I think you mean the one where the Russian grabbed the teddy bear from the footage right? He did the cross and said rest in peace.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. I don't agree with anything you said that was brought to you via fake news. America bombed Iraq and killed hundreds pig thousands of people for nothing. And it was proven that Iraq co-operated and proved they had no WMD yet still got invaded. I didn't see any of these countries crying then did I. Or maybe it's because it's okay to invade countries and kill people for nothing depending on who those people are. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. Fake news. Yep. Plenty of us opposed the War in Iraq (funnily enough, often the type of people who get pissed off about Russian extrajudicial killings). For what it's worth, I also think that throughout the twentieth century, much of the behaviour of British governments throughout the Empire and Australian governments with respect to Indigenous Australians was immoral and criminal. That's worth fighting against. But does that somehow mean that the British Government (and Australian Government) had no right to oppose Hitler's invasion of Poland because the British Government and the Australian Government also had blood on their hands? Yeh pretty much. Don't point fingers especially if you're just as guilty or even worse. Forget Hitler and any world war, focus on something small like what Putin supposedly did by killing a traitor. Can you honestly say America as an example hasn't done the same? Just during the US elections recently someone got killed supposedly by the Clintons which was pretty obvious the hit came from them. No mainstream media chose to mention it. What I'm basically saying is that these things happens all the time. Mainstream media will keep talking about the one incident that they want to promote while refusing to mention an exact similar crime committed by the same people they're protecting. Any country if given a chance would kill one of their own traitors, it's as simple as that. I know full well the US have bumped plenty of people off. As far as I'm concerned, drone strikes are usually a case of just that. You and I will probably have to agree to disagree on whether the list of Russia's crimes are just examples of 'fake news'. So, as it appears we do not agree on the underlying premise of culpability, our overall opinions about 'finger pointing' in the face of such grave crimes are obviously going to differ. As far as I'm concerned, given the Russian Federation's track record (assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, Chechnya, etc.) it was farcical that FIFA gifted them privilege of hosting a World Cup. Banning South Africa from sporting events genuinely helped to end Apartheid. So the notion of rewarding Russian ultra-nationalism is absurd. Then when, as all reliable military intelligence and scholarship has it, the Russian Federation invaded Crimea and was a party to the downing of a commercial aircraft, that should have been the final straw. During the last World Cup, they should have just said, right that's way too far. As punishment, England can host the World Cup. This is just more of the same. I've watched enough documentaries on this issue which claim most evidence doesn't in any way point the finger at Russia downing the plane. People will always say there are two sides to every story. And most people agree with this saying, however the sad thing is that not many people go by this simple rule. I don't believe Russia shot down the plane at all. Overall I understand what you are saying about countries doing wrong not being allowed to host big events and I'd agree if only it was fair and this rule applied to everyone. The world would be a better place, however that rule doesn't apply. It's absurd that anyone would claim Russia should be stripped of their rights, yet it's okay for Qatar to win it, even though plenty evidence points to them helping out ISIS and the many other countries too who are guilty for the same crime including England themselves. England supported the war against Syria, even though Syria didn't do anything to deserve it and to make matters worse actually sided with the Syrian Rebels aka ISIS and AlNusra over Asad. I won't accept any country that supported rebel terrorists groups who beheaded innocent people claim that Russia should be boycotted and the world cup given to them because Russia killed someone who betrayed them and basically was a traitor to them. The international inspectors were denied entry to the MH17 crash site for days and when they finally got there they observed, in their words, "industrial scale sabotage." You find me one innocent person that interferes with a crime scene. Everytime Putin is asked questions on these matters he answers them like a man. Does he f*#k? I don't speak Russian. Reading the translations provided (and assuming they're fair), he just flatly denies whatever he's accused of. He then leans on plausible deniability by suggesting a whole host of other potential culprits. And he often moves on to describing the victim. But you know- this guy was not such a nice guy, he did this and that, then was found guilty of embezzlement. He could be a villain in a Shakespeare play.
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+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. Read the page before for more of the same.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about? You're moving around so damn much I can't keep up with you. I'll try to keep it simple. All governments are capable of unspeakable acts. Governments are made up of people. People are people: some are good, some bad and most of us somewhere in between. Many people will do unspeakable things to protect their interests. My point is when you restrict press freedom and the democratic voting process you allow certain people to commit acts with impunity. Thats what sets Putin apart from democratically elected leaders in countries with press freedoms.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about? You're moving around so damn much I can't keep up with you. I'll try to keep it simple. All governments are capable of unspeakable acts. Governments are made up of people. People are people: some are good, some bad and most of us somewhere in between. Many people will do unspeakable things to protect their interests. My point is when you restrict press freedom and the democratic voting process you allow certain people to commit acts with impunity. Thats what sets Putin apart from democratically elected leaders in countries with press freedoms. Okay but overall you agree that boycotting the world cup in Russia is a stupid idea right?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about? You're moving around so damn much I can't keep up with you. I'll try to keep it simple. All governments are capable of unspeakable acts. Governments are made up of people. People are people: some are good, some bad and most of us somewhere in between. Many people will do unspeakable things to protect their interests. My point is when you restrict press freedom and the democratic voting process you allow certain people to commit acts with impunity. Thats what sets Putin apart from democratically elected leaders in countries with press freedoms. Okay but overall you agree that boycotting the world cup in Russia is a stupid idea right? Yes. I said that already.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about? You're moving around so damn much I can't keep up with you. I'll try to keep it simple. All governments are capable of unspeakable acts. Governments are made up of people. People are people: some are good, some bad and most of us somewhere in between. Many people will do unspeakable things to protect their interests. My point is when you restrict press freedom and the democratic voting process you allow certain people to commit acts with impunity. Thats what sets Putin apart from democratically elected leaders in countries with press freedoms. Okay but overall you agree that boycotting the world cup in Russia is a stupid idea right? Ohh, is that what this discussion is about?? 😉
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. I'm truly lost for words. I'm just curious about one thing. Do you put America in the same category as Australia in regards to being free to do what you want or do you atleast accept that even in America many people have been murdered by their own government, just like has been done in Russia and many other countries. Do you not place their leaders in the same category? Julian Assange has basically locked himself up in the Ecuador embassy for so many years now because he fears for his life too. My basic question is do you accept that there's evil going on with all these leaders of the world, or is it simply just Putin and all the others western media always bang on about? You're moving around so damn much I can't keep up with you. I'll try to keep it simple. All governments are capable of unspeakable acts. Governments are made up of people. People are people: some are good, some bad and most of us somewhere in between. Many people will do unspeakable things to protect their interests. My point is when you restrict press freedom and the democratic voting process you allow certain people to commit acts with impunity. Thats what sets Putin apart from democratically elected leaders in countries with press freedoms. Okay but overall you agree that boycotting the world cup in Russia is a stupid idea right? Ohh, is that what this discussion is about?? 😉 I just can't believe there is people out there honestly claiming we should boycott. Biggest joke out it's the World Cup and had nothing to do with politics. I thought Sydneyfc1987 might have been wanting that too but I was wrong thankfully so my bad on that matter.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. Thank god we live in a country that does not let people like you in power...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. Thank god we live in a country that does not let people like you in power... Yeh I'd have people who write bullshit articles thrown in jail. Someone like Rebecca Wilson would have done time and be banned from writing for another paper. Maybe then the news you read would be accurate like it should. Considering you would hate to live in a country like that it sounds like you're a blowass shit stirrer yourself lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. There's nothing to worry about, we'll always have flops running this country if that's your wish. I'd rather have the flops we have now than an authoritarian dictator that murders journalists, jails opposing politicians, de-criminalises domestic violence and essentially outlaws being gay. Perhaps you should go live in Russia if you can't appreciate how much better it is here. If I could I would but it's too late and near impossible. You can't just pick which country to live in and get accepted just like that. I'm here to stay. Don't get all worked up because I don't rate either of our parties it's not the country I don't like it's our leaders. I wouldn't mind if many of our journos got killed for shit stirring anyways. You either kill scum or throw the scum in jail and that's all Putin's done. Thank god we live in a country that does not let people like you in power... The irony of it is that we do. And it's a beautiful thing. But, thankfully, the electorate would not vote a person advancing such an agenda in to power.
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+xAt least we can criticise our politicians. Straya, where it's legal to call our leader a c :)nt
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+x+xAt least we can criticise our politicians. Straya, where it's legal to call our leader a c :)nt Just don't say it to the cops lol
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+x+x+xAt least we can criticise our politicians. Straya, where it's legal to call our leader a c :)nt Just don't say it to the cops lol * FFA my bad lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAny country that boycotts over that can go fuck itself. Somebody in Commons, I think it was, described it as an 'act of war' There's been so many crimes committed as an act of war and many much worse then this crime, so for me I'd have no respect for a hypocritical country to act all good and boycott a world cup over an allegation. It's obviously not quite as huge as invading Ukraine or furnishing your sponsored-militia with weaponry which is then used to bring down a commercial aircraft (except for the poor individuals who got poisoned, depending on the how bad it ends up for them). But one crime after another after another after another without adequate punishment can, rightly, be interpreted as the final straw. Seriously fuck our fake news I wish Australia had a leader like Putin over the flop we currently have and have had in the past. This is the sort of comment that has me seriously concerned about our future as a democratic society. At least we can criticise our politicians. Agreed. At least robstazzz can say what he wants, however much you or I might disagree. If he said something so at odds with the ruling party in Russia, he'd be in trouble.
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If a country boycotts they are banned from Qatar also. Rules states you play until you are defeated out of the tournament.
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+xIf a country boycotts they are banned from Qatar also. Rules states you play until you are defeated out of the tournament. NZ were eliminated in 2010 without being defeated.
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Boycotts mean the likes of Prince Williams and David Gallop not going?
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Waiting for calls to boycott Qatar 2022 over support for Salafi jihadists in Syria. *crickets*
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xWaiting for calls to boycott Qatar 2022 over support for Salafi jihadists in Syria. *crickets* Exactly thankyou!
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+xWaiting for calls to boycott Qatar 2022 over support for Salafi jihadists in Syria. *crickets* No need to boycott it. Can just take away their hosting rights and move it elsewhere. It's not in the next three months.
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+xWaiting for calls to boycott Qatar 2022 over support for Salafi jihadists in Syria. *crickets* Are Syrians calling for a boycott over the Russians releasing a nerve agent in London?
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USA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too.
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+xUSA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too. I still can't believe Italy won't be there.
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+x+xUSA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too. I still can't believe Italy won't be there. They talk about Aussie spirit and not giving up but tbf the Swedes always channel some I dont know what in football and hockey games. They seem to have these warrior games, especially sudden death games. Holland were better than them in the group stage but it didnt go their way.
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+x+x+xUSA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too. I still can't believe Italy won't be there. They talk about Aussie spirit and not giving up but tbf the Swedes always channel some I dont know what in football and hockey games. They seem to have these warrior games, especially sudden death games. Holland were better than them in the group stage but it didnt go their way. No I wasn't shocked at all with Sweden knocking them out, just more so them not being in it. Yeh Sweden always perform good, they're no easy beats at all.
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+x+x+x+xUSA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too. I still can't believe Italy won't be there. They talk about Aussie spirit and not giving up but tbf the Swedes always channel some I dont know what in football and hockey games. They seem to have these warrior games, especially sudden death games. Holland were better than them in the group stage but it didnt go their way. No I wasn't shocked at all with Sweden knocking them out, just more so them not being in it. Yeh Sweden always perform good, they're no easy beats at all. I was shocked I didnt watch the first game. Didnt watch any of Italys group matches and just thought Spain was better but Italy still good. Looking in hindsight it was a pretty average group they drew except Spain. I hope Korea stuffs Sweden though. You get a little tired of people laughing when you say you qualify through Asia.
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+x+x+xUSA should boycott. Probably Italy and Greece too. I still can't believe Italy won't be there. They talk about Aussie spirit and not giving up but tbf the Swedes always channel some I dont know what in football and hockey games. They seem to have these warrior games, especially sudden death games. Holland were better than them in the group stage but it didnt go their way. Every country has that <nationality> spirit that you only hear about after they win a game WRT hockey, the Czechs have this theory about Swedes and hockey. It's a bit like the old line "football is a game where twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and then the Germans win"
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There usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else.
This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful.
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+xThere usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else. This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful. Substitute everything you just said about Russians and Stalin and the cold war there and replace it with 'Muslims' and you've got exactly the same situation repeated these days with apologists sprouting idiotic defenses of the indefensible.
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+x+xThere usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else. This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful. Substitute everything you just said about Russians and Stalin and the cold war there and replace it with 'Muslims' and you've got exactly the same situation repeated these days with apologists sprouting idiotic defenses of the indefensible. Muslims aren't one entity. Nor are individual Russians responsible for the actions of the Russian Federation, for that matter. And I didn't say Russians in that post. The Kremlin, however, is effectively one entity. Going back in most cases, the Bolsheviks, their orders and actions can effectively be attributed to an individual organisation, and specific individuals within that organisation. The Cheka was run as single organisation by the Bolsheviks. As was the KGB by the Soviet Union. As is the FSB today (under the guidance of the Kremlin).
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+x+x+xThere usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else. This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful. Substitute everything you just said about Russians and Stalin and the cold war there and replace it with 'Muslims' and you've got exactly the same situation repeated these days with apologists sprouting idiotic defenses of the indefensible. Muslims aren't one entity. Nor are individual Russians, for that matter. And I didn't say Russians in that post. The Kremlin, however, is effectively one entity. Going back in most case, the Bolsheviks, their orders and actions can effectively be attributed to an individual organisation, and specific individuals within that organisation. The Cheka was run as single organisation by the Bolsheviks. As was the KGB. As is the FSB today (under the guidance of the Kremlin). Mate I'm not getting in a massive discussion with you here because I'm actually on your side. When I was younger and sillier the communist propaganda coming out of the Soviet block was, to young impressionable minds, somewhat attractive. Redistribution of wealth, power to the people, solidarity etc etc. I'm only saying that these days people that would tie themselves in knots to defend communism have long gone. Instead they've moved on to defending Islam and Muslims when they misbehave.
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+x+x+x+xThere usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else. This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful. Substitute everything you just said about Russians and Stalin and the cold war there and replace it with 'Muslims' and you've got exactly the same situation repeated these days with apologists sprouting idiotic defenses of the indefensible. Muslims aren't one entity. Nor are individual Russians, for that matter. And I didn't say Russians in that post. The Kremlin, however, is effectively one entity. Going back in most case, the Bolsheviks, their orders and actions can effectively be attributed to an individual organisation, and specific individuals within that organisation. The Cheka was run as single organisation by the Bolsheviks. As was the KGB. As is the FSB today (under the guidance of the Kremlin). Mate I'm not getting in a massive discussion with you here because I'm actually on your side. When I was younger and sillier the communist propaganda coming out of the Soviet block was, to young impressionable minds, somewhat attractive. Redistribution of wealth, power to the people, solidarity etc etc. I'm only saying that these days people that would tie themselves in knots to defend communism have long gone. Instead they've moved on to defending Islam and Muslims when they misbehave. All good. I've the utmost respect for your views and the reasonable way in which you explain your points. And I despise Wahhabism and the conservative types there and I accept the notion that there are positive and negative trends within Islamic societies (as within all societies). I'm just pointing out that it's a broad church, so to speak, and there are Muslims of all shades, plenty of whom oppose extremism as much as any other liberal. For that reason, I try to steer clear of agreeing to broad statements about Muslims. That's just my view. And I daresay you would agree with me that morality of a person's actions can't be defined by their faith, their nationality or whatever. As regards the communism part... I understand how aspects of it are appealing. And maybe some of those aspects have improved Western societies in general by creating more of a welfare state in which a person's opportunities in life are less dictated by personal circumstances. I find it staggering how people believed in something so steeped in fallacious understandings of economics and human psychology. And it's saddening that so many could believe so ardently in something which was based on envy, hatred, desire for retribution and with no regard whatsoever for constitutional and legal mechanisms to protect the individual's rights.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere usually are multiple causes behind complex issues (rather than a single cause or two perfectly equal sides). It doesn't exonerate Russian culpability in Ukraine or with God knows what else. This is the contemporary version of 'useful idiocy'. During the Russian Revolution, during Stalin's reign and right through the Cold War, plenty of people in the West bizarrely identified with political events happening in Russia (usually because of absurd ideological fawning) and became apologists for the bloodshed which took place there. To Stalin and Soviet leaders who followed, 'useful idiocy' was most helpful. Substitute everything you just said about Russians and Stalin and the cold war there and replace it with 'Muslims' and you've got exactly the same situation repeated these days with apologists sprouting idiotic defenses of the indefensible. Muslims aren't one entity. Nor are individual Russians, for that matter. And I didn't say Russians in that post. The Kremlin, however, is effectively one entity. Going back in most case, the Bolsheviks, their orders and actions can effectively be attributed to an individual organisation, and specific individuals within that organisation. The Cheka was run as single organisation by the Bolsheviks. As was the KGB. As is the FSB today (under the guidance of the Kremlin). Mate I'm not getting in a massive discussion with you here because I'm actually on your side. When I was younger and sillier the communist propaganda coming out of the Soviet block was, to young impressionable minds, somewhat attractive. Redistribution of wealth, power to the people, solidarity etc etc. I'm only saying that these days people that would tie themselves in knots to defend communism have long gone. Instead they've moved on to defending Islam and Muslims when they misbehave. As regards the communism part... I understand how aspects of it are appealing. And maybe some of those aspects have improved Western societies in general by creating more of a welfare state in which a person's opportunities in life are less dictated by personal circumstances. I find it staggering how people believed in something so steeped in fallacious understandings of economics and human psychology. People in the soviet controlled states knew it was bullshit, believe me. The western reds won't ever listen, but if you speak to people who lived under the system it's unnerving how heavy handed it was. Even if you opposed it you didn't say so and were scared to be thinking it. If I were to relate the experiences of my family under communism, here's some examples. One of my uncles was working in a factory producing toxic chemicals. Wakes up in the morning, has to report to a soldier who is the resident spy (every neighbourhood had one, friend v friend it didn't matter). Shows his ID, is asked where he's going. Same answer each day, going to work. Asked what his job is, when is he coming home, answers checked for inconsistencies with previous answers kept in his personal manifest, interrogated if need be. Does a shift working with chemicals, not allowed to know what they are and what they're used for. Goes home with his body glowing blue. If he goes to the shops - everything western banned. Want a Beatles album? Black market item sold in the basement of one club in Prague, one album the price of one month's wages. Kids go to school every day. Teachers, like other public officials, aren't Mr or Mrs. They must be addressed as Comrade. If you want to socialise in public squares you are routinely stopped by pigs who ask for your ID, what you are talking about. Having a kid? Once you choose the name you apply for permission. If an official doesn't approve of the name you can either choose a different name or not get a birth certificate. Don't like it? Go on holiday. You're approved to go anywhere you want, as long as it's a soviet state (militarised borders every other direction). Go to Yugoslavia, hop on a boat and GTFO. Some of the people who did that went on to become Port Melbourne Slavia - the second team to win a national football trophy in Australia. Football Farkn Kultcha. And when you've been through all that shit, you send your kids to school in the new country and half the hobo lecturers are fucking Maoists who have more food sitting in their stomachs than the Chinese will see in a week.
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'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words.
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+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives.
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+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website and they will explain away anything they like to throw up expertly and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite !
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+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed.
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+x+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed. Done during the nights preceding the planes hitting the towers not done over night.
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+x+x+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed. Done during the nights preceding the planes hitting the towers not done over night. Cool. Well I'm glad to know you believe it's possible that the passports of the terrorists on board were found at ground zero lol. No not the plane, that disintegrated but I'm talking about that magical strong passport made of some magical material. Goodnight dreamer!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed. Done during the nights preceding the planes hitting the towers not done over night. Cool. Well I'm glad to know you believe it's possible that the passports of the terrorists on board were found at ground zero lol. No not the plane, that disintegrated but I'm talking about that magical strong passport made of some magical material. Goodnight dreamer! I'm not ready for bed Do you have any other theories?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed. Done during the nights preceding the planes hitting the towers not done over night. Cool. Well I'm glad to know you believe it's possible that the passports of the terrorists on board were found at ground zero lol. No not the plane, that disintegrated but I'm talking about that magical strong passport made of some magical material. Goodnight dreamer! I'm not ready for bed Do you have any other theories? I am ready for bed I should have been sleeping by midnight lol But tell before I go tell me you're joking about your last comment. Are you saying that wasn't the official report in regards to the passports?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website will explain away anything they like to throw up cogently and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! Mate do your research lol what clown would say it was done overnight ffs obviously that's stupid. But all good keep believing that building number 7 collapsed because of the twin towers even though it had never been hit, and get ready for it, was reported to have collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did collapse. 9/11 cool story. Thousands of innocent people died that day and all for greed. Done during the nights preceding the planes hitting the towers not done over night. Cool. Well I'm glad to know you believe it's possible that the passports of the terrorists on board were found at ground zero lol. No not the plane, that disintegrated but I'm talking about that magical strong passport made of some magical material. Goodnight dreamer! Plenty of personal items were found strewn over a very large radius. Hundreds in fact. And for a very long time following. Only one highjackers passport was found in New York, 2 were found in Pennsylvania and one recovered from luggage that didn't make it on board from a connecting flight.
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+x+x+x'll let you decide which news agencies are trustworthy. Name me one you think is OK and I'll google up the same reporting from that news agency. As for your 9-11 crap. Clinton couldn't keep a headjob he got off an intern from leaking out. What makes you think that something, that you call an 'inside job', which would have involved hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, now remain completely schtum. Not one leak. Pretty amazing. Some people are too stupid for words. Those truthers are tops. I saw one video where the basic argument was that the WTC towers didn't fall with grace and aplomb and therefore it was downed with explosives. They are so dumb. I mean, yes at face value, some things look off, like how they collapsed, some explosions that were happening during the collapse etc etc. BUT spend just 5 minutes on an engineering website or a debunking website and they will explain away anything they like to throw up expertly and scientifically. My favourite (though there are plenty) is that the towers were demolished with explosives and yet when they spoke to demo teams and said how long would it take you to prep a building like this to fall, they said a minimum 3 months. That's 3 MONTHS Robstazz. Some bloke told me they did it during the nights when no one was there. So yeah right, took plasterboard off, drilled holes, weakened supporting structure with acetyline torches etc etc and then, before the first cleaner got in in the morning patched everything back up ready to start again the next night. Christ on a bike. But you know, thermite ! But don't you know? While 40,000 people are running down the stairs the CIA is running up 50-100 floors with tonnes upon tonnes of explosives in their rucksacks and running wiring around the building, through fires, to allow them to be detonated. Alternatively, they have spent months prepping the building then hijacked multiple aircraft as a diversion tactic. And hoped not one of those wires is shaken loose by a plane hitting it, so as to prevent the buildings toppling sideways and taking 400m of lower manhattan. In those preceding months no IT worker has run a cable through a wall and thought what's this then, and wall street investment bankers have said "by all means kick me out of my office and rip the walls out to install explosives in it which won't have a noxious stench". I have a che tshirt I swear to god guy's i've got this
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I love the fact how you guys continue to ignore the fact America and England both admit to supporting rebels beheading innocent civilians in Syria as one of many examples. As for 911 I honestly can't be bothered to explain the 1 million facts why it was an inside job. I don't mean to be rude but if anyone had half a brain they'd know by now what mainstream media told us was a lie. There's so many fuck ups with that whole event I wouldn't know where to start. And even when a clip is found you'll deny it is true, yet post some garbage article you read and state that's correct lol. Agree to disagree guys. I'm with Russia, you can stick with the very trusted Americans. And when i say Americans i do mean their innocent government offcourse, not the people.
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I'm with Baggio on this, boycot the 1994 world cup
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I guess the delay means you're actually doing your research on that matter now lol. Goodnight
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+xI guess the delay means you're actually doing your research on that matter now lol. Goodnight Yep mate, was researching that real hard.
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Anyway. Take this over to ET if you want to continue with it. Clogging up the wrong part of the forum. Kept me entertained anyway while I was waiting for WC tickets.
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Woww. It's frightening. Thanks for sharing your family's experiences. I recently read an excellent book by Douglas Smith; Former People: The Final Days of the Russian Aristocracy. It's too awful to believe. Lenin just exploited the working classes' and peasantry's hatred of land-owners to encourage the most evil acts imaginable. Not unlike how Putin taps into his compatriots' pride and desire for Russia as a superpower to be reckoned with. The actions of the Cheka are too horrific even to think about.
Your family's experiences echo some of the stuff I read. The Bolsheviks and then the Soviet Union channeled people's hatred to turn them against each and to spy on one another and dob each other in. When there wasn't somebody to blame, whole new classes of enemies needed to be devised (or talking up old enemies). And anybody who had the misfortune of not having an awful life before the revolution or successful peasants (kulaks) was branded a class enemy and society had the job of smoking them out. Then they might be taken to a forest and summarily executed. Or perhaps sent off to the Gulags.
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Woww. It's frightening. Thanks for sharing your family's experiences. I recently read an excellent book by Douglas Smith; Former People: The Final Days of the Russian Aristocracy. It's too awful to believe. Lenin just exploited the working classes' and peasantry's hatred of land-owners to encourage the most evil acts imaginable. Not unlike how Putin taps into his compatriots' pride and desire for Russia as a superpower to be reckoned with. The actions of the Cheka are too horrific even to think about. Your family's experiences echo some of the stuff I read. The Bolsheviks and then the Soviet Union channeled people's hatred to turn them against each and to spy on one another and dob each other in. When there wasn't somebody to blame, whole new classes of enemies needed to be devised (or talking up old enemies). And anybody who had the misfortune of not having an awful life before the revolution or successful peasants (kulaks) was branded a class enemy and society had the job of smoking them out. Then they might be taken to a forest and summarily executed. Or perhaps sent off to the Gulags. It's terrible reading but necessary. The scale of atrocities were enormous. It was an ideological war. It wasn't communism v capitalism as the western commies like to depict it. It was an ideological war against any organised structure that would threaten to replace the state as a power of influence. Academics, elites, murdered in their millions. If we look to Hitler's murder of jews as a benchmark - 6 million murdered - it's dwarfed by the 20 million Christians Stalin murdered. Over 50,000 priests, and additionally their families, were summarily executed. It happened over decades, and fluctuated. If the church could be used it suddenly had a decade of respite, then suddenly they're out of vogue and back to being killed. Food for thought for the internet regressives who depict the white christian as the archtype oppressor in the world.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-homeNikolai Glushkov, another Russian émigré found dead in London in suspicious circumstances. This bloke was a major enemy of Vladimir Putin, friend of Boris Berezovsky (who was also found dead) and had testified in court against Putin's mate Roman Abrahomovich. Maybe Theresa May will actually stop the FA from sending the England team just in protest. If that happened, I wonder if our government would follow suit. Julie Bishop has been taking a very firm line and will always back up the British.
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+xMaybe Theresa May will actually stop the FA from sending the England team just in protest. nah, football especially the world cup means far too much to your average englishman for that to ever happen, pint at your local and football on the tele is the red line, take that away and you'll have open rebellion
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+xhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-homeNikolai Glushkov, another Russian émigré found dead in London in suspicious circumstances. This bloke was a major enemy of Vladimir Putin, friend of Boris Berezovsky (who was also found dead) and had testified in court against Putin's mate Roman Abrahomovich. Maybe Theresa May will actually stop the FA from sending the England team just in protest. If that happened, I wonder if our government would follow suit. Julie Bishop has been taking a very firm line and will always back up the British. So let me ask you an honest question. With no evidence what so ever linking Putin to this death, would it be right to accuse Putin ( anyone connected to him ) of this murder and refuse to believe anyone else can be a suspect? And then do we boycott the would cup using this as one of many reasons why.
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FFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia.
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+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. Thankyou.
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+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ?
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+x+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ? Then you send a squad of Matt Simon's :) , its a mute point, the guy was a Russian spy who defected.
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+x+x+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ? Then you send a squad of Matt Simon's :) , its a mute point, the guy was a Russian spy who defected. - A police officer who fell ill after attending the incident - Det Sgt Nick Bailey - was also taken to hospital and remains in a serious condition
- Of the 38 people who have been seen in hospital in relation to the incident, 34 have been discharged
- Only Mr Skripal, his daughter Yulia and Det Sgt Bailey remain in hospital. One person is being monitored as an outpatient but is not showing any signs of exposure
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+x+x+x+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ? Then you send a squad of Matt Simon's :) , its a mute point, the guy was a Russian spy who defected. - A police officer who fell ill after attending the incident - Det Sgt Nick Bailey - was also taken to hospital and remains in a serious condition
- Of the 38 people who have been seen in hospital in relation to the incident, 34 have been discharged
- Only Mr Skripal, his daughter Yulia and Det Sgt Bailey remain in hospital. One person is being monitored as an outpatient but is not showing any signs of exposure
Oh, so there more people then when I first read the story, have they actually proved it was the Russian's Still, it ain't our fight and has nothing to do with sport, you want to hurt them do it with trade
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+x+x+x+x+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ? Then you send a squad of Matt Simon's :) , its a mute point, the guy was a Russian spy who defected. - A police officer who fell ill after attending the incident - Det Sgt Nick Bailey - was also taken to hospital and remains in a serious condition
- Of the 38 people who have been seen in hospital in relation to the incident, 34 have been discharged
- Only Mr Skripal, his daughter Yulia and Det Sgt Bailey remain in hospital. One person is being monitored as an outpatient but is not showing any signs of exposure
have they actually proved it was the Russian's Bloke who invented it is fairly sure. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-14/only-russia-could-be-behind-uk-poison-attack-toxin-inventor-says/9546298either that or they've lost control of the stockpile
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFFS, I don't support a boycott, has nothing to do with sport and Australia. only if Russia gassed 20 Aussies on Aussie soil ? Then you send a squad of Matt Simon's :) , its a mute point, the guy was a Russian spy who defected. - A police officer who fell ill after attending the incident - Det Sgt Nick Bailey - was also taken to hospital and remains in a serious condition
- Of the 38 people who have been seen in hospital in relation to the incident, 34 have been discharged
- Only Mr Skripal, his daughter Yulia and Det Sgt Bailey remain in hospital. One person is being monitored as an outpatient but is not showing any signs of exposure
have they actually proved it was the Russian's Bloke who invented it is fairly sure. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-14/only-russia-could-be-behind-uk-poison-attack-toxin-inventor-says/9546298either that or they've lost control of the stockpile 😂😂😂😂
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The guy was a double agent (or been report as such), was/is he not? If yes, he knew the risks. No one will boycott the World Cup, what is they to gain? Maybe some sort of "moral victory", maybe?
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+xThe guy was a double agent (or been report as such), was/is he not? If yes, he knew the risks. No one will boycott the World Cup, what is they to gain? Maybe some sort of "moral victory", maybe? What about the local policeman who discovered him on the park bench, who is now in hospital with poisoning from the nerve agent? Did he know the risks? I don't think a boycott is a good idea though. It just plays into Russia's hands.
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+x+xThe guy was a double agent (or been report as such), was/is he not? If yes, he knew the risks. No one will boycott the World Cup, what is they to gain? Maybe some sort of "moral victory", maybe? What about the local policeman who discovered him on the park bench, who is now in hospital with poisoning from the nerve agent? Did he know the risks? I don't think a boycott is a good idea though. It just plays into Russia's hands. Fair point with regards to the innocent locals who have been caught up in it. That said, unfortunately their/our lifes aren't worth much and just gets a little footnote as collateral damage or the like.
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Never heard something so stupid. Whinging poms.
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+xNever heard something so stupid. Whinging poms. Just ban Chelsea players from the England Squad
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+x+xNever heard something so stupid. Whinging poms. Just ban Chelsea players from the England Squad Can we ban Chelsea from the EPL? Roman has links with Putin. And as an Arsenal fan it'll help us get into the Europa league 😎
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+x+xNever heard something so stupid. Whinging poms. Just ban Chelsea players from the England Squad Co-incidence ?
But based on the briefings he has received, he said: "We are preparing to go to the World Cup. There is no doubt in my mind that is what we should be doing." . . . Southgate said it had been "a very difficult call" to drop Cahill, who has captained England before, and left open the possibility of the Chelsea player returning for the World Cup in Russia in June.
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It's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7!
This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA.
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+xThis is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport.
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+xIt's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7! This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA. You believe the whole plane disintegrated but the terrorists passport survived with no burn marks on it, hell how the fuck did it survive at all lol Fuck me dead there's no way back for some brainwashed flops on this forum.
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+xIt's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7! This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA. This post makes me happy.
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+x the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. I don't really think these type of people dominate the board. For every MVFC, Marconi and Robstazz there's dozens of posters who ignore all the shit and just want to use a football forum to talk about football.
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New angle for 442 to generate more traffic I guess...
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+x+x the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. I don't really think these type of people dominate the board. For every MVFC, Marconi and Robstazz there's dozens of posters who ignore all the shit and just want to use a football forum to talk about football. I actually agree with you I should learn to ignore shit that has nothing to do with football. Got sucked into it.
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+xIt's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7! This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA. This hasn't been my experience, but I usually nope-out of most political discussions on here, it's not what I'm here for. There are definitely threads where it spills over but you'll get that on most forums.
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+x+xIt's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7! This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA. This hasn't been my experience, but I usually nope-out of most political discussions on here, it's not what I'm here for. There are definitely threads where it spills over but you'll get that on most forums. To be fair, on what reasonable basis could this thread be a football discussion? There's not a damn thing to do with football. It's an article about state espionage with a football headline.
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+x+x+xIt's disturbing how many people here got offended at some guy calling Abbott a cnt in a roundabout way. And it's all the usual suspects, the alt-righters, neo-cons and bitters who have come to completely dominate this board. And than for good measure, we get some retard saying he wants to live in Russia and kill the "shit-stirring" journalists. Also 9/11 was a set up because Building 7! This is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of, and easily the worst of any Australian sport. There's no hope for football in this country if most of its true fans are unpleasant fuckwits. I've come to realise that we are a much bigger problem than the the FFA. This hasn't been my experience, but I usually nope-out of most political discussions on here, it's not what I'm here for. There are definitely threads where it spills over but you'll get that on most forums. To be fair, on what reasonable basis could this thread be a football discussion? There's not a damn thing to do with football. It's an article about state espionage with a football headline. Mrs May spoke to US President Donald Trump about the issue on Tuesday, with a US spokesman saying the leader told her "the US was with the UK all the way,
So the USA might join the boycott, and rumour has it , also Holland and Italy
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+xThis is by far the worst online community I've ever been a part of You clearly don't spend much time on Internet forums. This place is fairly tame 95% of the time.
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yeah nah no ones boycotting the world cup. Total fake news
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Does anyone know how much we get for qualifying for the world cup, and more so how much more you get depending on how far you go in it?
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+xDoes anyone know how much we get for qualifying for the world cup, and more so how much more you get depending on how far you go in it? 15 million
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If only the Uk cared as much about the actual terror attacks happening in their country
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+xIf only the Uk cared as much about the actual terror attacks happening in their country Trust me don't waste your time. Some people are so ignorant they pretend to play the good guy and claim they want to do this or that because this person did this or that, while the same people they support have done the exact sane thing and in many cases much worse and they've never entertained the idea of a boycott. Too many sheep in this world that simply let the media control their minds. But as you said before the boycott won't happen because the majority of people don't give a rat's ass about what happened. They'll be there for football and sight seeing and partying, no one cares about a rat who got poisoned, especially when no one knows who did it.
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Initially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance.
If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin.
I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup.
I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott.
So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too.
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+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting
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+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Would be a fresh excuse though
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+x+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Would be a fresh excuse though Getting knocked out before the group stages now, the England way.
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+x+x+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Would be a fresh excuse though Getting knocked out before the group stages now, the England way. How funny would it be if they actually did pull about lol. Imagine the countries lining up with anticipation at being the chosen ones to take their spot lol
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+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Zero chance of them being that stupid. I can't believe anyone would take the boycott seriously.
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+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Probably not. However, the chance just went from Buckley's to slim owing to another suspicious death shortly after the first. There's a lot of anger in Westminster.. Edit. shortly after the first assassination attempt, along with the other 14 suspicious émigré deaths in recent years.
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+x+x+xInitially I thought there was almost no chance that HMG would tell the England team to boycott. In light of the Nikolai Glushkov's death, I think there is now a slim chance. If he was killed in the last couple of days (and, as is highly probable, it was a Kremlin hit), then Putin is sneering at Theresa May. She had good reason to be livid about the Skripal poisoning. But if he thinks he can go and order another hit during this tense period, then I'd say he's got another thing coming. By sending the England team, there's a valid interpretation that she's endorsing Putin. I think the most calculated diplomatic response would be manifold. Some of it financial, some of it military (ramping up UK armed forces on NATO borders and pushing along Ukrainian inclusion in NATO). But one thing that does work is to make Russia lose face. Therefore, it would be understandable to pull the England team out of the World Cup. I thought the type of classes who tend to read the tabloids more would be opposed to a World Cup boycott. But having a look at the tabloids, there are articles calling for a boycott. So I'd say a slim chance England will boycott the thing entirely. Where does this leave Australia. If the England team boycotts, I say about 60/40 that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, too. England aren't boycotting Probably not. However, the chance just went from Buckley's to slim owing to another suspicious death shortly after the first. There's a lot of anger in Westminster.. Edit. shortly after the first assassination attempt, along with the other 14 suspicious émigré deaths in recent years. There will be anger no doubt. One of their own Russian sellout has been murdered. It's the same as if the roles were reversed, then in that case the Russians would be pissed. But the bottom line is that the boycott won't happen, because the English football fans don't care about something that means nothing to them and instead care about their national team participating in the world cup that's all that matters. Imagine what the English fans would do if their politicians forced England to boycott. They would revolt. Zero chance of it happening. It's just a scare tactic that's scared no one but got people talking about it that's all. Mrs May is using football as a tool to create more awareness on the matter, even she's not stupid enough to force a boycott.
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Seen some fanciful reports from England that Australia will join in a boycott. And Poland. Yeah, nah. If England tries it they'll have egg on their faces. They've spent their last 2 years severing themselves from Europe and are frankly delusional about their standing in the world these days.
Also their threats to bar prince Harry from attending some up their delusion on what the world thinks of the royal family, especially everything that came after Elizabeth.
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Wtf has thread got to do with australian football? Mods please move to extra time as all im reading is about 911 conspiracy, putin, russians, the english prime minister and the england team
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+xWtf has thread got to do with australian football? Mods please move to extra time as all im reading is about 911 conspiracy, putin, russians, the english prime minister and the england team True that.
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+xWtf has thread got to do with australian football? Mods please move to extra time as all im reading is about 911 conspiracy, putin, russians, the english prime minister and the england team It got derailed with talk of 911. The thrust of the thread has got everything to do with the World Cup, however. If there were a World Cup section up and running, I would have put it there. There is now a slim chance, imo, that the British Government will make the England team boycott the World Cup. There are plenty of articles from the UK press considering and, in some cases, demanding this course of action. As the UK is Australia's oldest ally and its friendship goes far beyond sport. If the British Government makes the England team boycott, then there is a realistic prospect that the Australian Government will make the Socceroos boycott, imo. Our Government will back up theirs as much as possible. Sporting sanctions fall within those boundaries.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/14/russian-spy-attack-theresa-may-to-set-out-possible-reprisals-before-mpsWe'll get a clearer idea very soon. Russia didn't respond to Britain's ultimatum of accounting for the poisoning before midnight
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On a cold war scale this level of brinkmanship is as pissweak as Sam Neil's accent in Hunt for Red October
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+xOn a cold war scale this level of brinkmanship is as pissweak as Sam Neil's accent in Hunt for Red October Da, comrade!
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The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says. Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers". The UK later told the UN Security Council that Russia had used "a weapon so horrific that it is banned in war" in a "peaceful" British city. Russia denies attempted murder and says it will respond appropriately. Mrs May also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup in Russia later this year.

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+xThe UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says. Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers". The UK later told the UN Security Council that Russia had used "a weapon so horrific that it is banned in war" in a "peaceful" British city. Russia denies attempted murder and says it will respond appropriately. Mrs May also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup in Russia later this year.

Australia was considering its responses in support of the UK and was closely consulting the UK Government and other partners. . "The Australian Government is gravely concerned that a military grade nerve agent developed by Russia has been used in an attack,
We share the UK's outrage over this targeted attempt to commit murder using chemical weapons," Mr Turnbull said.
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No ones boycotting sh#t, you’ll play in Russia and you will enjoy it.
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Posting an article about the English response, by the english prime minister, that doesn't mention football or the world cup. Tenuous link to Australian football at all. Still think it should be in Extra Time or World Football
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May's response was limited to moderate. Although she may want room to maneouvre. She also is trying to gauge how much multilateral support she can count on (which, unfortunately, isn't much). The French tend to be weak when they should be strong. By contrast, they tend to be overzealous and vindictive when they should be measured (e.g. Treaty of Versailles). And Germany gets the vast majority of their power from Russia so they're over a barrel. I'm starting to believe that Putin has something big on Trump so the US will do nothing. I imagine Australia will stand alongside the UK a lot but that's about it.
The only risk of the England team being made to boycott is if the Kremlin does something incredibly antagonising now. That would escalate things. Otherwise it should be business as usual.
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If you look to recent precedent, the only mass boycott of a major international sporting event is the 1980 olympics after Russia invaded Afghanistan. Poisoning a double agent is nothing.
If you look to precedent of single teams pulling out of an international event, Israel having half its team murdered in the olympic village is one.
As poster above says, with regards to Skripal, no state is abandoning shit. If the UK want the royal family to boycott the event then my question to them is why would they be that fucking stupid to reward Russia by not having to host that certified fuckwit prince Harry for a month.
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+xIf you look to recent precedent, the only mass boycott of a major international sporting event is the 1980 olympics after Russia invaded Afghanistan. Poisoning a double agent is nothing.
If you look to precedent of single teams pulling out of an international event, Israel having half its team murdered in the olympic village is one.
It's not just the poisoning of a double agent. It's the first use of a military grade nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War. As for the precedent thing, it's very hard to find similar enough analogies because the contexts vary so greatly. The Israeli team were butchered in the Munich Olympics. But it wasn't the Germans who were responsible, it was a Palestinian terrorist group. This is different because participation at the World Cup entails being a guest of the state which carried out the use of the nerve agent on British soil. Huge difference (although I'm not saying it wouldn't have been an appropriate thing for the Munich Olympics to have been called off after the massacre). I bet that in 1945 world leaders wished they had boycotted the Berlin Olympics. And hell yeah they should have done. It was shameful that they participated. That participation made it far more difficult for Churchill, Eden, Duff Cooper and Amery to oppose Chamberlain's absurd notion of appeasement. Had they boycotted the event, rather than pandering to a despot with designs on territorial expansion, it would have paved the way to stop Hitler when he invaded Sudetenland (or earlier). Not boycotting put them on an appeasement footing which invited Hitler to do as he pleased. Imagine, giving South Africa the hosting rights for the rugby world cup in 1987. This isn't quite analogous to that as the South African government's crimes then were rather different to the Kremlin's crimes now. But there are similarities insofar as both states stepped so far out of line as for it to be the most offensive thing to give them the privilege of hosting prestige events. People underestimate the power of these kind of events in tacitly validating despotic leaders' authority. As the Russian Embassy in London correctly points out, every action has an equal or greater reaction. If these kind of events are boycotted, it makes such leaders look weak and implicitly undermines their authority. Having said all that, owing to the frightening likelihood that Putin has Trump on a string. And since the French are the French and the Germans are dependent on Russian energy... HMG will struggle to get support for strong sanctions. They'd need a strong suit of sanctions for a World Cup boycott to be on the cards.
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I feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous.
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+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. I'd have no issue with Obama being sent to The Hague to explain those drone strikes. There's a sufficiently compelling case that the Kremlin is the guilty party as there's nowhere else this particular nerve agent could reasonably have come from. True it wouldn't meet the threshold to secure a criminal prosecution. But that's not the standard of proof required here as we're not talking about a criminal prosecution. We're talking about sanctions intended to bite. Russia was given the opportunity to account for how this particular nerve agent went AWOL, they provided no adequate explanation.
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+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension.
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+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree.
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+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights).
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+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about politicians. Terrorists have committed crimes in so many countries in recent times including London. Not once has May or any other English politician come out and claimed that they will boycott because of the links between Qatar and terrorism. However she's going ape shit about Russia.
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+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about politicians. Terrorists have committed crimes in so many countries in recent times including London. Not once has May or any other English politician come out and claimed that they will boycott because of the links between Qatar and terrorism. However she's going ape shit about Russia. She needed to look tough after Brexit talks were flopping
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+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about politicians. Terrorists have committed crimes in so many countries in recent times including London. Not once has May or any other English politician come out and claimed that they will boycott because of the links between Qatar and terrorism. However she's going ape shit about Russia. They're yet to qualify for Qatar. And that's in four years as opposed to three months. This is slightly more urgent. I agree with you that Qatar's transgressions justify their being stripped of hosting rights (never mind boycotts). However, the link between Qatar and specific terrorist acts carried out on British soil is way more tenuous than the link between the Kremlin and the use of a Russian military grade nerve agent (which is not supposed to exist any more and the provenance of which Russia cannot explain) against a known traitor of the Russian Federation on British soil.
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+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). However she's going ape shit about Russia. Because it was a murder committed on their soil on one of their citizens. Even in this day and age there are 'rules' and 'lines' that shouldn't be crossed despite all the other stuff going on. That's why she's gone bananas.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree. Qatar can just have their hosting rights stripped of them, too. I think that's what all rational people have been suggesting for a while now. There was a thread about Qatar, specifically, too. Most people who wrote on the thread hardly seemed to think it was just fine for them to host it (although they debated the legal implications of stripping Qatar of the hosting rights). However she's going ape shit about Russia. Because it was a murder committed on their soil on one of their citizens. Even in this day and age there are 'rules' and 'lines' that shouldn't be crossed despite all the other stuff going on. That's why she's gone bananas. Terrorist attacks have also been committed in London on home soil. It's no secret who funds them. There's actually more evidence in this case pointing fingers at those responsible, where as in this case it's an attack against a Russian spy, not innocent civilians, and in top of that it's only speculation.
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+x+xI feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. Obama blows up weddings and civilians with drone strikes and no one says a peep about boycotting USA, yet we have no conclusive proof of anything and we're all meant to boycott a World Cup? Ridiculous. Unfortunately some people love to turn a blind eye to all the crimes committed by the leaders of countries they support. Putin is hated by the mainstream media and they'll link anything bad with him, yet ignore the crimes that actually are not speculation and in fact actual facts. Bush deliberately bombed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of fake made up sources claiming he had WMD. Saddam even cooperated and invited Bush to come and talk and look for himself. It was all ignored and the rest is history. Then from their own mouths the Americans admit they made a mistake and there was no real evidence about WMD being hidden in Iraq. Bush or America never had any sanctions placed on them for war crimes and although admitting they were wrong still till this day did fuck all to compensate or apologise for their disgusting actions. The world cup is for football fans at the end of the day not fuckwit politicians to use it as a tool. It's a tournament that unites fans from 32 nations to watch football and party for a month, yet you got this stupid bitch whinging bitching and moaning to create tension between the fans. As always you'll have dick head fans out there who will take matters in their own hands, and most likely there will be brawls amongst the fans of Russia and England again. And most of it because of the tension this bitch and many others have created. Then come 2022 in Qatar what's the bet the bitch won't bring up anything to do with world cup boycotts, even though there's proof/speculation that Qatar funded terrorist groups around the world. This whole thing is bullshit. Boycotts won't happen but the politicians will have done their job of putting a bad taste in mouths and creating tension amongst fans. I mean there always is tension either way but this will be extra unwanted tension. Yep, it just smacks to me of political point scoring about muh Russia narrative. The whole point is for everyone to come together as fans of football, but more importantly people from different cultures and backgrounds. May, and her political opportunism and patriotic chest-beating can fuck off.
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It is all a side point. Fact is, these tournaments aren't the Goodwill Games. They're apolitical. Their whole purpose is to build international community through sport. If nations boycott over politics they are undermining the movement. Even if the principle is correct, they're violating the purpose of the tournament itself. They can piss and moan to the ICC or the UN if they want.
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+xIt is all a side point. Fact is, these tournaments aren't the Goodwill Games. They're apolitical. Their whole purpose is to build international community through sport. If nations boycott over politics they are undermining the movement. Even if the principle is correct, they're violating the purpose of the tournament itself. They can piss and moan to the ICC or the UN if they want. If that's the purpose, the corollary of that is that the world has a giant farking problem when these tournaments can be politically exploited by despotic powers by tacitly endorsing their violations of international law and undermining the international community through sport. That rather defeats the purpose of the tournament, itself. Hosting a tournament of this magnitude (even competing in a tournament, to a lesser extent) is a privilege, not a human right. These sort of regimes (and Russia especially since time immemorial) cares a lot about how the world perceives it. Russia craves power and prestige. It wants the West to appreciate (and fear) its power and prestige. Putin believes the biggest tragedy of the last century was the break-up of the Soviet Union because it rendered Russia weak. His goal is to reverse that situation. We know that banning South Africa during the Apartheid era and embarrassing their leadership undermined them to their people.
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As far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway.
The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something.
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+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament. Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442
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+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament. Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup"
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+x+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament. Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup" of course he said that That's not what I quoted though
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+x+x+xAs far as I can tell there’s no discussion about a boycott going on, outside of a few folk on these pages anyway. The Poms have announced ministers and Royal Family won’t travel to the World Cup and they’ve put special travel advice in place for England fans travelling. Hardly things you do if you’re going to boycott something. .But the Government has not ordered the national soccer team to boycott the June 14-July 15 soccer tournament. Southgate says it is a "serious matter" and "developing very quickly". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/southgate-says-england-should-go-to-world-cup-in-russia/9554442 Guy whose job it is to go to the world cup: "We should go to the world cup" :laugh:
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https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/how-britain-can-respond-skripal-attackChatham House article (Nigel Gould-Davies and James Nixey) proposing and weighing up potential UK responses. It argues that pulling the England team out is not worth it as it would have nothing other than limited symbolic value. England would basically be alone in boycotting. The article doesn't go so far as to suggest this is because of the geopolitical balance of power (and the USMNT not having qualified), but I think that's a big factor. There's another Chatham House article which interprets the attack as a test of Britain's resolve and standing in the West. Both articles are, imo, spot on. Putin is playing a chess game and is several moves ahead of his opponent. Putin knows full well that a team boycott won't do nothing. If the USMNT had qualified and if Trump wasn't in power (preferably Bernie Sanders), then it would be a very different story. Britain and the US would be able to impose big sanctions (including team boycotts) and probably whip France and Germany into line. But, as Vladimir Putin knows full well, it's a Trump administration and Britain and Europe are trying to settle a divorce. Putin is laughing. This all feels a bit like a contemporary and proxy version of the Fall of Singapore.
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This still has nothing to do with australia or australian football. Not once have i seen Putin mention Arzani in any of these articles. May could be envious of our spew jersey. Im pretty sure Trump is worried about lack of depth at LB. While Merckel has finally got together her coalition like we all knew she would, she still hasnt said anything yet about German funding of a 2nd division
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Boris Johnson has likened the way President Putin is promoting the World Cup in Russia to Hitler's notorious use of the 1936 Berlin Olympics.The foreign secretary said Labour MP Ian Austin was "completely right" to say Russia's president wanted to "gloss over [his] brutal corrupt regime". Mr Johnson said that he would have an "urgent conversation" with Russia about the safety of fans at the tournament. A Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said he was "poisoned with hatred". A Downing Street spokesman confirmed Mr Johnson was speaking on behalf of the government and that they were working closely with police on plans for the World Cup. The foreign secretary said it was of "crucial importance" in light of 23 British diplomats being expelled from Russia - including the individual responsible for football fans. So far, there have been 24,000 applications from England fans to attend the World Cup this summer, compared with 94,000 at the same stage in the build-up to Rio in 2014. Mr Johnson said: "The numbers are well down but that does not mean we are not deeply concerned about how they may be treated. . . . However, when Mr Austin said he believed the football team should pull out of the competition, Mr Johnson disagreed. "On balance it would be wrong to punish them [the fans] or the team who have worked on this for an incredibly long time, given up their lives to it," he said. On the issue of fan safety, Mr Johnson said he needed to have an "urgent conversation" with the Russians around how they "propose to fulfil their obligations under their FIFA contract to look after all fans".
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Australia to expel Russian diplomats over Salisbury ex-spy poisoning
The Federal Government is expelling two Russian spies from Australia within a week, in solidarity with the United Kingdom over a nerve agent attack earlier this month.
Australia's actions mirror the response taken by the United States and more than a dozen European nations in response to the attempted murder of a Russian double agent in Salisbury in England. "This decision reflects the shocking nature of the attack — the first offensive use of chemical weapons in Europe since World War II, involving a highly lethal substance in a populated area, endangering countless other members of the community," the statement said. "Such an attack cannot be tolerated by any sovereign nation. We strongly support the call on Russia to disclose the full extent of its chemical weapons program in accordance with international law."
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Australia's Deputy Prime Minister, Julie Bishop, has claimed that Australia is considering boycotting the 2018 World Cup in the aftermath of the Skripal affair.The Australian government is considering boycotting the 2018 World Cup as it looks to continue the global backlash against Russia for the perceived state-organised attempted-assassination of prominent Russian defectors, Sergei and Yulia Skripal.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/julie-bishop-boycotting-the-world-cup-is-an-option-487820
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So this Christopher Steel is now being linked again First to Qatar & Russia World Cup fix, then to the dodgy dossier being used by the Clintons on Trump, now the shitstorm ahead of the World Cup also was MI6 investigator for the Litvenko poisoning
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No evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots.
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+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant.
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@ T +x+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant. lol @ thinking Navalny had a shot, was hoping they allowed him to run. This thread is embarrassing and in the Football section. I'll leave the damage control to the Russiaphobes who are Russia experts living in Australia ffs.
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+x@ T +x+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The election where he placed the opposition leader under arrest and barred him from running? Yeah he was really worried. Nice try plant. lol @ thinking Navalny had a shot, was hoping they allowed him to run. This thread is embarrassing and in the Football section. I'll leave the damage control to the Russiaphobes who are Russia experts living in Australia ffs. I don't live in Australia but don't let the pravda get in the way of a good story
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+xNo evidence presented. Now it is just embarrassing with the deletion of tweets etc. " UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says Then westerners wonder why Russians who regularly read Western media are not supportive of Western backed opposition parties. As if Putin would want to do this before an election and the World Cup lol. Useful idiots. The media in the western world doesn't need proof. All they need to do to convince the gullible public is throw up some bullshit allocations to deceive the public.
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It was a perfect message for the Russians to get out. If you're a spy or traitor, we'll get you anywhere and anytime. And they knew the British and other governments would act as their mouth piece. Cunning!
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^^ It's ridiculous isn't it. All things being equal and on the balance of probabilities it's more likely than not that Russia was involved in this.
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+x^^ It's ridiculous isn't it. All things being equal and on the balance of probabilities it's more likely than not that Russia was involved in this. On the balance of probability I have no issue if people assumed that there was involvement, especially with the mass negativity surrounding Russia (sometimes based on lies, sometimes true, sometimes stretching truth).A lot of incidents have been falsely assumed in the past (See Iraq WMD etc). When the media reports "facts" which are debunked it makes you question it. When a foreign country which lacks evidence makes up information and the media eat it up, that's concerning. That's on some pravda crap. When the Western Media sound the same as Russian government controlled media that is concerning for me. Putin is no angel, not even a fan of him, working in Moscow for the majority of the past 12 years I have found him polarizing, I agree with some policies then I find some odd. He is no super chess player outwitting the West, people like to assume because he was KGB he is so good bluffing Western politicians on foreign policy. He has played a fairly weak hand to his advantage over the years, most of it being extremely predictable but our politicians are always too busy failing to understand Russia or thinking every move is a bluff.. while continuing business with Russia.
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WAAAAA WAAAAHH HHH
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What is it, again, that they say? There's no truth in the news and no news in the truth? ;)
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