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Zizuo1
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+xWith the final 26 being named for Russia 2018, and looking at how threadbare the squad is of geniune talent I am curious to know from long-time Socceroo supporters whether this is the worst squad ever assembled for a tournament [think Olympics, Confed Cups, WCQ, WC etc.] I'd have to cast my mind back to somewhere between 1988-1992 to find a comparable squad. No the 2014 squad is the worst in 25 years. This is them with a little more experience(better). Our peak was 1997- 2010
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Zizuo1
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+xerr, don’t we judge squads after the tournament lol?? No squad/player quality.
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+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2010 was the third best squad we have ever had after 2006, 1997/1998
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I think its a big call to rate this squad without a ball kicked in the Grp stage yet, not long to go lets wait and see eh.
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JonoMV
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+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) mmm, I don't see how they are comparable, I know you are all for being positive with our new era etc and I share your optimism, but I feel you are looking far too favourably on our 2018 side and down playing 2010. Our best players in 2018 play for EPL sides fighting to stay up and not be relegated + mid table Bundesliga. Or in leagues where generally the sides they play for are not powerhouses of those leagues. Our best players in 2010 played for teams fighting for Europa League spots in the EPL, Serie A, and playing for sides in the top half of the table in their respective leagues and playing European football We had 8 players in Europe in 2010 (2 or 3 in 2018), Schwarzer made the Europa League final, Cahill made the R32 of Europa league and finished 8th, Palermo finished 5th just missing out on a UCL spot, Emerton finished in the top half of the EPL table, Kewell and Neill played in Europe knocked out by Eventual winners Athletico Madrid, Wilkshire played European football with Dynamo, Holman was playing for one of the top sides in the Dutch league and played European football, Chipperfield played for the best side in Switzerland and played Europa League. Outside of that we had Grella, Garcia making 10 starts in the EPL. Whereas now we had what 2 or 3 players play in Europe? Those that play in big leagues played for sides who's main goal was to stay up (Brighton, Huddersfield). Those that do actually play for a top side in a respective league will lose out a spot to Ryan (Jones, Vuck), the rest are at mid table sides at mid tier leagues (Minus Rogic, but is the SPL even mid tier, anyhow he played in Europe which was good). The rest of the squad is made up of players in teams playing second fiddle in the second tier or players in the second divisions of England and Germany. Granted Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree, just don't see how they are comparable. I would expect our 2022 side to be at least even with 2010.
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would be nice to see stuff positive stuff around the Socceroos for once.
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+xwould be nice to see stuff positive stuff around the Socceroos for once. Wrong forum
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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Aljay
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Whenever the 2014 squad is assessed, it needs to be remembered that the following hands down starters were injured
Kruse
Rogic
Sainsbury
Williams
There were also injuries to Curtis Good and Luke DeVere. Something tells me there was another CB I can’t remember too. Even though Wilkinson played very well, he was about 5th choice CB going in.
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No way. This is miles ahead of 2014. Mooy, Sainsbury, Luongo, Irvine, Kruse, Behich and Rogic added since then. Only really lost Spira, Bresc and both franjic and Mckay were both decent back then. Since then also Leckie and ryan have improved.
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+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) mmm, I don't see how they are comparable, I know you are all for being positive with our new era etc and I share your optimism, but I feel you are looking far too favourably on our 2018 side and down playing 2010. Our best players in 2018 play for EPL sides fighting to stay up and not be relegated + mid table Bundesliga. Or in leagues where generally the sides they play for are not powerhouses of those leagues. Our best players in 2010 played for teams fighting for Europa League spots in the EPL, Serie A, and playing for sides in the top half of the table in their respective leagues and playing European football We had 8 players in Europe in 2010 (2 or 3 in 2018), Schwarzer made the Europa League final, Cahill made the R32 of Europa league and finished 8th, Palermo finished 5th just missing out on a UCL spot, Emerton finished in the top half of the EPL table, Kewell and Neill played in Europe knocked out by Eventual winners Athletico Madrid, Wilkshire played European football with Dynamo, Holman was playing for one of the top sides in the Dutch league and played European football, Chipperfield played for the best side in Switzerland and played Europa League. Outside of that we had Grella, Garcia making 10 starts in the EPL. Whereas now we had what 2 or 3 players play in Europe? Those that play in big leagues played for sides who's main goal was to stay up (Brighton, Huddersfield). Those that do actually play for a top side in a respective league will lose out a spot to Ryan (Jones, Vuck), the rest are at mid table sides at mid tier leagues (Minus Rogic, but is the SPL even mid tier, anyhow he played in Europe which was good). The rest of the squad is made up of players in teams playing second fiddle in the second tier or players in the second divisions of England and Germany. Granted Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree, just don't see how they are comparable. I would expect our 2022 side to be at least even with 2010. Mooy and Ryan wouldn't look out of place at mid table clubs, we're not talking about a couple of struglers here
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Not sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments
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+xNot sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments Germany announce their squad. They dropped Gotze, Gnabry, Ulreich, Emre Can, Wagner. So, basically a bunch of extras who could probably win the world cup haha.
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+x@Barca4life. What do you think? Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials) GK (7) Ryan Birighitti Thomas Duncan Izzo Glover Margush DF (13) Sainsbury Susnajr Chapman Donachie Ansell Elsey Deng Karacic Atkinson Strain Gersbach Garrucio Elder MF (18) Dougall B.O'Neill A.O'Neill Wilson Antonis Mcgree Irvine Luongo Ikonomidis Amini Jeggo Pasquali DeSilva Mileusnic Rogic Petratos Hrustic Italiano FW (12) Leckie Arzani Borello Kitto Theoharous Champness Mabil Nabbout Folami Carter Maclaren Juric + a lot of young a league players who will become starters. Mooy will only be 31 in 2022, bit harsh to leave him out. He'll hopefully still be in the EPL in the prior season.
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+xbohemia - 16 May 2018 11:50 PM +xapillay12 - 16 May 2018 11:31 PM Not sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments Germany announce their squad. They dropped Gotze, Gnabry, Ulreich, Emre Can, Wagner. So, basically a bunch of extras who could probably win the world cup haha. Might as well split Germany back into individual Bundesländer, let alone East and West, considering their depth. Nordrhein-Westphalen could win it on their own. Neuer Weiser Hummels Höwedes Henrichs Goreztka Gündoğan Özil Draxler Reus Sané German State of Origin would be wicked whilst i'm thinking of it.
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contrast of McKay vs Mooy ... so much better
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+x+x@Barca4life. What do you think? Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials) GK (7) Ryan Birighitti Thomas Duncan Izzo Glover Margush DF (13) Sainsbury Susnajr Chapman Donachie Ansell Elsey Deng Karacic Atkinson Strain Gersbach Garrucio Elder MF (18) Dougall B.O'Neill A.O'Neill Wilson Antonis Mcgree Irvine Luongo Ikonomidis Amini Jeggo Pasquali DeSilva Mileusnic Rogic Petratos Hrustic Italiano FW (12) Leckie Arzani Borello Kitto Theoharous Champness Mabil Nabbout Folami Carter Maclaren Juric + a lot of young a league players who will become starters. Mooy will only be 31 in 2022, bit harsh to leave him out. He'll hopefully still be in the EPL in the prior season. All 3 big 5 players will still be in their prime next world cup so injuries permitting we can only get better
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+xcontrast of McKay vs Mooy ... so much better Yes but Mooy will improve and get to that level over time.
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.. and some here thought this squad was comparable with 2010 lol light years behind 2010
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+x+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) Imo, it's problematic simply to count who's in what league. Leaving aside the prospect that a footballer in an inferior can be a better footballer than one in a higher quality league... Leaving that aside, simply applying the 'who plays in what football league' brush completely ignores how much those guys are playing, what kind of form they are in, their fitness and their form. In South Africa, we had one of our most renowned sides with most of them in big football leagues. And, in fairness, they played well, all things considered. But it ignores the fact that plenty of them had been injury stricken and were struggling to get consistency with their clubs sides. Whereas now, there's nowhere near as much experience or Hollywood leagues. The biggest problem though is not that. It's the gaps in various parts of the team. That we don't have so many footballers in this league or that league is more a symptom of the problem rather than a cause. We do, however, have encouraging signs here and there. And with good management, they should be able to put in three good matches in the group stages. gaps are actually remarkably similar in 2010 we had a huge problem with left back as chippers was past it and had an alarming decline in form and we had to play carney there who struggled for game time. We also had a problem with striker trying kennedy (whose game of towering over shorter j league players was less effective against euros) and ruka. Grella also had a sharp decline leaving a hole in midfield though valeri did a decent job filing it On the whole I actually think the squads are pretty similar in quality as to the problems of just writing down where the players played I agree thats problematic but some critics of the current team would probably use the line of reasoning "where are they playing and how often" as a reason to panic. My point is that even if you use that line of reasoning its probably only as bad as 2010 if you just look at paper and recognize that getting less than 2000 minutes in a big 5 league probably isn't better than being a dominant player a level down A lot of the boys had had a rapid decline in form over the 6 months before that cup was a real shame as the squad was just as good as the 06 one. Still think had harry not been carded against Ghana we would have made it to the 2nd rd
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Better than our 2014 squad i'd even say better then our 2015 Asian cup squad but the difference is Asia is f****n shit at football and winning the Asian cup is easier then making it out of most WC groups.....
these Kangaroos can play football -
Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017)
KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL
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