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With the final 26 being named for Russia 2018, and looking at how threadbare the squad is of geniune talent I am curious to know from long-time Socceroo supporters whether this is the worst squad ever assembled for a tournament [think Olympics, Confed Cups, WCQ, WC etc.]
I'd have to cast my mind back to somewhere between 1988-1992 to find a comparable squad.
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This is a much better squad than 2014.
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+xThis is a much better squad than 2014. Far more experience for starters, plus three players (Leckie, Mooy, Ryan) playing regulary at big league clubs vs one (Jediank). No Rogic, and Kruse last time, whilst Luongo has developed positively, especially in the last 12 months. Defence-wise we are probably in a similar boat. Only real downgrade is Cahill being four years older.
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err, don’t we judge squads after the tournament lol??
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+xerr, don’t we judge squads after the tournament lol?? No squad/player quality.
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Arnolds squad for the asian cup was pretty bad
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+xArnolds squad for the asian cup was pretty bad Rubbish. Arnold's Asian Cup Squad was good. Arnold's coaching and his results were pretty bad.
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That 2007 squad was one of our best. Arnold managed to cock things up spectacularly despite having an absolutely stacked squad with most players still in their prime. Only players missing were Chipperfield, Skoko and McDonald (who had only just started scoring for fun by then). 1st XI Schwarzer Emerton - Neil - Kisnorbo - Wilkshire Grella Bresciano - Culina Sterjovski - Viduka - Kewell2nd XI JonesMilligan - Beauchamp - Thwaite - CarneyValeri - CahillThompson - Carle - HolmanAloisi
I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
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I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
1st 11 ------------------------ryan--------------------- --karacic--sains---degenek----behich--- -------------mooy------luongo---------------- --leckie----------rogic------------kruse------- --------------------juric-------------------------- 2nd 11 -----------------------Jones------------------- -risdon---jurman----jedinak-----meredith -------------milligan---irvine------------------- -arzani-----------petratos------nabbout---- --------------------cahill------------------------- subs: vuk, brilliante, ruka, troisi not a huge difference between teh sides if you ask me
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I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
1st 11 ------------------------ryan--------------------- --karacic--sains---degenek----behich--- -------------mooy------luongo---------------- --leckie----------rogic------------kruse------- --------------------juric-------------------------- 2nd 11 -----------------------Jones------------------- -risdon---jurman----jedinak-----meredith -------------milligan---irvine------------------- -arzani-----------petratos------nabbout---- --------------------cahill------------------------- subs: vuk, brilliante, ruka, troisi not a huge difference between teh sides if you ask me Frankly, I don't think it's going be along the lines of First XI and Second XI. There will surely be different objectives for the different games. So horses for courses. I can't quote BVM on this word for word. But I heard him say something along the lines of- you play a side like France, you lose nine times out of ten. My job is to make it so that we are in a position to lose maybe six times out of ten. Playing France will be like trying to see off the new ball in cricket. You don't go chasing it. You know exactly where your off stump is and you have to be very judicious about what you play at and what you leave. So that means it's going to be about having a very robust defensive effort from all XI and probably channeling the attacks through the counter. If Mooy and Rogic both start against the French, I will throw something at the wall. BVM is pragamtic and listens to his staff. He'll surely know of the sheer folly of starting both of them together in central midfield. There need to be completely different tactical objectives against the Danes and Peruvians. We need more impetus. And that's where Rogic and Arzani might feature a bit more.
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I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
1st 11 ------------------------ryan--------------------- --karacic--sains---degenek----behich--- -------------mooy------luongo---------------- --leckie----------rogic------------kruse------- --------------------juric-------------------------- 2nd 11 -----------------------Jones------------------- -risdon---jurman----jedinak-----meredith -------------milligan---irvine------------------- -arzani-----------petratos------nabbout---- --------------------cahill------------------------- subs: vuk, brilliante, ruka, troisi not a huge difference between teh sides if you ask me Frankly, I don't think it's going be along the lines of First XI and Second XI. There will surely be different objectives for the different games. So horses for courses. I can't quote BVM on this word for word. But I heard him say something along the lines of- you play a side like France, you lose nine times out of ten. My job is to make it so that we are in a position to lose maybe six times out of ten. Playing France will be like trying to see off the new ball in cricket. You don't go chasing it. You know exactly where your off stump is and you have to be very judicious about what you play at and what you leave. So that means it's going to be about having a very robust defensive effort from all XI and probably channeling the attacks through the counter. If Mooy and Rogic both start against the French, I will throw something at the wall. BVM is pragamtic and listens to his staff. He'll surely know of the sheer folly of starting both of them together in central midfield. There need to be completely different tactical objectives against the Danes and Peruvians. We need more impetus. And that's where Rogic and Arzani might feature a bit more. I was thinking more in terms of 1st 11 v 2nd 11 in training and a measure of depth which I think the guy I was replying to was going for Defence is going to be interesting. In the past we haven't had the side to absorb a lot of pressure but maybe a back 7 of ----------------------ryan --------------------- -karacic----sains------jedi------behich--- ---------------mooy-----luongo--------------- might finally be good enough. Mooy had a huge problem defending against cutbacks and his speed off the mark. But he really showed against chelsea, man city and arsenal he can be part of a strong defensive unit while being the main outlet in transition. Jedi is finally got a string of games together at cb and has put in some classy performances though he gives us 1 less avenue to play out through. Ryan has really improved his keeping when a team is under the pump. Luongo generated 6 turnovers a game and provides speed over 5 metres that mooy lacks. The big unknown is rb. If he turns out to be good then we might have a chance defending deep. Regardless though few teams in the world can just rely on a good defensive block to keep out france for 90 minutes. Even more important are the following 1. bpo-bp transition if france has to worry about the counter attack they are probably committing less players forward when we are defending deep and having more space between the lines. Having a strong counter attack is not just good for offence but is a cornerstone of effective defence 2. holding possesion. If we have the ball they can't score and our defence can turn off the need to concentrate so intensely which mentally wears you out. Also you lose more energy in defence than offence. If we can get 45% possession or higher it becomes much harder to score against us 3. pressing from the front. Kruse and leckie are the best at this. It also means they have to transition slower and wears out their players because more players have to drop back. The tricky part is consideration 1 means playing rogic or arzani as one of your front four but not sure either are good at 3. So some decisions there
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I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
1st 11 ------------------------ryan--------------------- --karacic--sains---degenek----behich--- -------------mooy------luongo---------------- --leckie----------rogic------------kruse------- --------------------juric-------------------------- 2nd 11 -----------------------Jones------------------- -risdon---jurman----jedinak-----meredith -------------milligan---irvine------------------- -arzani-----------petratos------nabbout---- --------------------cahill------------------------- subs: vuk, brilliante, ruka, troisi not a huge difference between teh sides if you ask me Inexperience and a lack of mobility stand out for me and that back four would give me if we lost the ball in midfield. Milligan and Irvine would have to spend the whole game plugging holes in front of the defence. attacking midfield trio would have to drop back so far to link play that we'd constantly be stuck in our own half.
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I shudder to think how our 2nd XI looks in comparison.
1st 11 ------------------------ryan--------------------- --karacic--sains---degenek----behich--- -------------mooy------luongo---------------- --leckie----------rogic------------kruse------- --------------------juric-------------------------- 2nd 11 -----------------------Jones------------------- -risdon---jurman----jedinak-----meredith -------------milligan---irvine------------------- -arzani-----------petratos------nabbout---- --------------------cahill------------------------- subs: vuk, brilliante, ruka, troisi not a huge difference between teh sides if you ask me Inexperience and a lack of mobility stand out for me and that back four would give me if we lost the ball in midfield. Milligan and Irvine would have to spend the whole game plugging holes in front of the defence. attacking midfield trio would have to drop back so far to link play that we'd constantly be stuck in our own half. it is a slow back four you couldn't play with a high line I remember when pim tried a high line against germany with snail paced defenders. Probably going for the "its the last thing they'd expect" strategy :D
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I reckon it's better than 2014 and hence better than Asian Cup 2015. I also think most people would agree.
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Did you see the 2014 squad? It was absolutely shocking. Oliver BOZANIC | FC Luzern, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 3 | Mark BRESCIANO | Al Gharafa, QATAR | Midfielder | 73 (13) | Tim CAHILL | New York Red Bulls, USA | Forward | 69 (33) | Jason DAVIDSON | SC Heracles Almelo, NETHERLANDS | Defender | 6 | Ivan FRANJIC | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 8 | Eugene GALEKOVIC | Adelaide United, AUSTRALIA | Goalkeeper | 8 | Ben HALLORAN | Fortuna Dusseldorf, GERMANY | Forward | 1 | James HOLLAND | FK Austria Vienna, AUSTRIA | Midfielder | 13 | Mile JEDINAK | Crystal Palace FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 43 (4) | Mitchell LANGERAK | B.V. Borussia 09 Dortmund, GERMANY | Goalkeeper | 3 | Mathew LECKIE | FSV Frankfurt 1899, GERMANY | Forward | 7 (1) | Massimo LUONGO | Swindon Town FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 2 | Ryan McGOWAN | Shandong Luneng Taishan FC, CHINA | Defender | 9 | Matt McKAY | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 46 (1) | Mark MILLIGAN | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 29 (2) | Tommy OAR | FC Utrecht, NETHERLANDS | Midfielder | 14 (1) | Mat RYAN | Club Brugge KV, BELGIUM | Goalkeeper | 6 | Matthew SPIRANOVIC | Western Sydney Wanderers, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 17 | Adam TAGGART | Newcastle Jets, AUSTRALIA | Forward | 4 (3) | James TROISI | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 10 (1) | Dario VIDOSIC | FC Sion, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 22 (2) | Alex WILKINSON | Jeonbuk Hyundai, KOREA REPUBLIC | Defender | 2 | Bailey WRIGHT | Preston North End FC, ENGLAND | Defender | - |
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+xDid you see the 2014 squad? It was absolutely shocking. Oliver BOZANIC | FC Luzern, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 3 | Mark BRESCIANO | Al Gharafa, QATAR | Midfielder | 73 (13) | Tim CAHILL | New York Red Bulls, USA | Forward | 69 (33) | Jason DAVIDSON | SC Heracles Almelo, NETHERLANDS | Defender | 6 | Ivan FRANJIC | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 8 | Eugene GALEKOVIC | Adelaide United, AUSTRALIA | Goalkeeper | 8 | Ben HALLORAN | Fortuna Dusseldorf, GERMANY | Forward | 1 | James HOLLAND | FK Austria Vienna, AUSTRIA | Midfielder | 13 | Mile JEDINAK | Crystal Palace FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 43 (4) | Mitchell LANGERAK | B.V. Borussia 09 Dortmund, GERMANY | Goalkeeper | 3 | Mathew LECKIE | FSV Frankfurt 1899, GERMANY | Forward | 7 (1) | Massimo LUONGO | Swindon Town FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 2 | Ryan McGOWAN | Shandong Luneng Taishan FC, CHINA | Defender | 9 | Matt McKAY | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 46 (1) | Mark MILLIGAN | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 29 (2) | Tommy OAR | FC Utrecht, NETHERLANDS | Midfielder | 14 (1) | Mat RYAN | Club Brugge KV, BELGIUM | Goalkeeper | 6 | Matthew SPIRANOVIC | Western Sydney Wanderers, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 17 | Adam TAGGART | Newcastle Jets, AUSTRALIA | Forward | 4 (3) | James TROISI | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 10 (1) | Dario VIDOSIC | FC Sion, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 22 (2) | Alex WILKINSON | Jeonbuk Hyundai, KOREA REPUBLIC | Defender | 2 | Bailey WRIGHT | Preston North End FC, ENGLAND | Defender | - |
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+xDid you see the 2014 squad? It was absolutely shocking. Oliver BOZANIC | FC Luzern, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 3 | Mark BRESCIANO | Al Gharafa, QATAR | Midfielder | 73 (13) | Tim CAHILL | New York Red Bulls, USA | Forward | 69 (33) | Jason DAVIDSON | SC Heracles Almelo, NETHERLANDS | Defender | 6 | Ivan FRANJIC | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 8 | Eugene GALEKOVIC | Adelaide United, AUSTRALIA | Goalkeeper | 8 | Ben HALLORAN | Fortuna Dusseldorf, GERMANY | Forward | 1 | James HOLLAND | FK Austria Vienna, AUSTRIA | Midfielder | 13 | Mile JEDINAK | Crystal Palace FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 43 (4) | Mitchell LANGERAK | B.V. Borussia 09 Dortmund, GERMANY | Goalkeeper | 3 | Mathew LECKIE | FSV Frankfurt 1899, GERMANY | Forward | 7 (1) | Massimo LUONGO | Swindon Town FC, ENGLAND | Midfielder | 2 | Ryan McGOWAN | Shandong Luneng Taishan FC, CHINA | Defender | 9 | Matt McKAY | Brisbane Roar, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 46 (1) | Mark MILLIGAN | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 29 (2) | Tommy OAR | FC Utrecht, NETHERLANDS | Midfielder | 14 (1) | Mat RYAN | Club Brugge KV, BELGIUM | Goalkeeper | 6 | Matthew SPIRANOVIC | Western Sydney Wanderers, AUSTRALIA | Defender | 17 | Adam TAGGART | Newcastle Jets, AUSTRALIA | Forward | 4 (3) | James TROISI | Melbourne Victory, AUSTRALIA | Midfielder | 10 (1) | Dario VIDOSIC | FC Sion, SWITZERLAND | Midfielder | 22 (2) | Alex WILKINSON | Jeonbuk Hyundai, KOREA REPUBLIC | Defender | 2 | Bailey WRIGHT | Preston North End FC, ENGLAND | Defender | - |
yeah, that squad. just think how bad it would have been with holger still in charge. half of the players would have been "no current club"
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Probably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before
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+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League
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+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League On paper a much better squad, albeit an ageing one. The current squad has a better age distribution, plenty of players at, or approaching their peak.
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+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League On paper a much better squad, albeit an ageing one. The current squad has a better age distribution, plenty of players at, or approaching their peak. Sure, I see your point and you are not really arguing here with me but I will add that 2018 may be approaching their peak.. but they are playing at a lower level than the 2010 squad which was past it's prime and playing at a higher level. Funnily enough in terms of average age of squads, not much difference 2018 squad avg age 27.57 (26 players) 2010 squad avg age 28.43 (23 players) Agree on the distribution, but not many players in the current squad I would pick above the players I mentioned earlier. 2010 squad Distribution (23 players) 20-29 years (14 Players) 30 and over (9 Players) 35 and over (1 Player) 25 and under (5 Players) 2018 Squad Distribution (26 players) 20-29 years (19 players) 30 and over (7 Players) 35 and over (2 players) 25 and under (10 players) 2006 > day light > 2010> 2018> 2014
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+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level)
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+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) Imo, it's problematic simply to count who's in what league. Leaving aside the prospect that a footballer in an inferior can be a better footballer than one in a higher quality league... Leaving that aside, simply applying the 'who plays in what football league' brush completely ignores how much those guys are playing, what kind of form they are in, their fitness and their form. In South Africa, we had one of our most renowned sides with most of them in big football leagues. And, in fairness, they played well, all things considered. But it ignores the fact that plenty of them had been injury stricken and were struggling to get consistency with their clubs sides. Whereas now, there's nowhere near as much experience or Hollywood leagues. The biggest problem though is not that. It's the gaps in various parts of the team. That we don't have so many footballers in this league or that league is more a symptom of the problem rather than a cause. We do, however, have encouraging signs here and there. And with good management, they should be able to put in three good matches in the group stages.
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+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) Imo, it's problematic simply to count who's in what league. Leaving aside the prospect that a footballer in an inferior can be a better footballer than one in a higher quality league... Leaving that aside, simply applying the 'who plays in what football league' brush completely ignores how much those guys are playing, what kind of form they are in, their fitness and their form. In South Africa, we had one of our most renowned sides with most of them in big football leagues. And, in fairness, they played well, all things considered. But it ignores the fact that plenty of them had been injury stricken and were struggling to get consistency with their clubs sides. Whereas now, there's nowhere near as much experience or Hollywood leagues. The biggest problem though is not that. It's the gaps in various parts of the team. That we don't have so many footballers in this league or that league is more a symptom of the problem rather than a cause. We do, however, have encouraging signs here and there. And with good management, they should be able to put in three good matches in the group stages. gaps are actually remarkably similar in 2010 we had a huge problem with left back as chippers was past it and had an alarming decline in form and we had to play carney there who struggled for game time. We also had a problem with striker trying kennedy (whose game of towering over shorter j league players was less effective against euros) and ruka. Grella also had a sharp decline leaving a hole in midfield though valeri did a decent job filing it On the whole I actually think the squads are pretty similar in quality as to the problems of just writing down where the players played I agree thats problematic but some critics of the current team would probably use the line of reasoning "where are they playing and how often" as a reason to panic. My point is that even if you use that line of reasoning its probably only as bad as 2010 if you just look at paper and recognize that getting less than 2000 minutes in a big 5 league probably isn't better than being a dominant player a level down
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+x+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) Imo, it's problematic simply to count who's in what league. Leaving aside the prospect that a footballer in an inferior can be a better footballer than one in a higher quality league... Leaving that aside, simply applying the 'who plays in what football league' brush completely ignores how much those guys are playing, what kind of form they are in, their fitness and their form. In South Africa, we had one of our most renowned sides with most of them in big football leagues. And, in fairness, they played well, all things considered. But it ignores the fact that plenty of them had been injury stricken and were struggling to get consistency with their clubs sides. Whereas now, there's nowhere near as much experience or Hollywood leagues. The biggest problem though is not that. It's the gaps in various parts of the team. That we don't have so many footballers in this league or that league is more a symptom of the problem rather than a cause. We do, however, have encouraging signs here and there. And with good management, they should be able to put in three good matches in the group stages. gaps are actually remarkably similar in 2010 we had a huge problem with left back as chippers was past it and had an alarming decline in form and we had to play carney there who struggled for game time. We also had a problem with striker trying kennedy (whose game of towering over shorter j league players was less effective against euros) and ruka. Grella also had a sharp decline leaving a hole in midfield though valeri did a decent job filing it On the whole I actually think the squads are pretty similar in quality Yep. But little do with the actual leagues they're playing in. More to do with strengths and weaknesses in positions.
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+x+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) Imo, it's problematic simply to count who's in what league. Leaving aside the prospect that a footballer in an inferior can be a better footballer than one in a higher quality league... Leaving that aside, simply applying the 'who plays in what football league' brush completely ignores how much those guys are playing, what kind of form they are in, their fitness and their form. In South Africa, we had one of our most renowned sides with most of them in big football leagues. And, in fairness, they played well, all things considered. But it ignores the fact that plenty of them had been injury stricken and were struggling to get consistency with their clubs sides. Whereas now, there's nowhere near as much experience or Hollywood leagues. The biggest problem though is not that. It's the gaps in various parts of the team. That we don't have so many footballers in this league or that league is more a symptom of the problem rather than a cause. We do, however, have encouraging signs here and there. And with good management, they should be able to put in three good matches in the group stages. gaps are actually remarkably similar in 2010 we had a huge problem with left back as chippers was past it and had an alarming decline in form and we had to play carney there who struggled for game time. We also had a problem with striker trying kennedy (whose game of towering over shorter j league players was less effective against euros) and ruka. Grella also had a sharp decline leaving a hole in midfield though valeri did a decent job filing it On the whole I actually think the squads are pretty similar in quality as to the problems of just writing down where the players played I agree thats problematic but some critics of the current team would probably use the line of reasoning "where are they playing and how often" as a reason to panic. My point is that even if you use that line of reasoning its probably only as bad as 2010 if you just look at paper and recognize that getting less than 2000 minutes in a big 5 league probably isn't better than being a dominant player a level down A lot of the boys had had a rapid decline in form over the 6 months before that cup was a real shame as the squad was just as good as the 06 one. Still think had harry not been carded against Ghana we would have made it to the 2nd rd
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+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) mmm, I don't see how they are comparable, I know you are all for being positive with our new era etc and I share your optimism, but I feel you are looking far too favourably on our 2018 side and down playing 2010. Our best players in 2018 play for EPL sides fighting to stay up and not be relegated + mid table Bundesliga. Or in leagues where generally the sides they play for are not powerhouses of those leagues. Our best players in 2010 played for teams fighting for Europa League spots in the EPL, Serie A, and playing for sides in the top half of the table in their respective leagues and playing European football We had 8 players in Europe in 2010 (2 or 3 in 2018), Schwarzer made the Europa League final, Cahill made the R32 of Europa league and finished 8th, Palermo finished 5th just missing out on a UCL spot, Emerton finished in the top half of the EPL table, Kewell and Neill played in Europe knocked out by Eventual winners Athletico Madrid, Wilkshire played European football with Dynamo, Holman was playing for one of the top sides in the Dutch league and played European football, Chipperfield played for the best side in Switzerland and played Europa League. Outside of that we had Grella, Garcia making 10 starts in the EPL. Whereas now we had what 2 or 3 players play in Europe? Those that play in big leagues played for sides who's main goal was to stay up (Brighton, Huddersfield). Those that do actually play for a top side in a respective league will lose out a spot to Ryan (Jones, Vuck), the rest are at mid table sides at mid tier leagues (Minus Rogic, but is the SPL even mid tier, anyhow he played in Europe which was good). The rest of the squad is made up of players in teams playing second fiddle in the second tier or players in the second divisions of England and Germany. Granted Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree, just don't see how they are comparable. I would expect our 2022 side to be at least even with 2010.
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+x+x+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2 dominant players in a big 5 (played more than 2500 minutes) 2 regulars 2.5 bit part players in big 5 league (though neil also played for galatasaray that year) 3.5 players in uefa/europa quality teams (including neill) 2 strong performances in second teir euro leagues valeri in a top 2nd division team This time we have 3 dominant players in a big 5 (ryan leckie and mooy) 4 players in uefa/europa quality teams (rogic, Juric, vukavic and jones) jedi in a promotion candidate ecl team 4 standout 2nd division players (kruse, irvine luongo, meredith) 2 club captains at a 2nd teir (sains, karacic) and 2 standouts in a second teir (ruka, behich) I guess the main difference is the bit parts and regulars in the big 5 and how highly you rate those. For some context ruka and holman were regulars for a season in big 5 leagues but couldn't nail down a starting spot so being a regular is probably the same level as being a dominant 2nd teir player and a bit part player is probably lower level again. So I'd say the two squads are pretty similar (though many in 2010 had experience playing at an impressive level) mmm, I don't see how they are comparable, I know you are all for being positive with our new era etc and I share your optimism, but I feel you are looking far too favourably on our 2018 side and down playing 2010. Our best players in 2018 play for EPL sides fighting to stay up and not be relegated + mid table Bundesliga. Or in leagues where generally the sides they play for are not powerhouses of those leagues. Our best players in 2010 played for teams fighting for Europa League spots in the EPL, Serie A, and playing for sides in the top half of the table in their respective leagues and playing European football We had 8 players in Europe in 2010 (2 or 3 in 2018), Schwarzer made the Europa League final, Cahill made the R32 of Europa league and finished 8th, Palermo finished 5th just missing out on a UCL spot, Emerton finished in the top half of the EPL table, Kewell and Neill played in Europe knocked out by Eventual winners Athletico Madrid, Wilkshire played European football with Dynamo, Holman was playing for one of the top sides in the Dutch league and played European football, Chipperfield played for the best side in Switzerland and played Europa League. Outside of that we had Grella, Garcia making 10 starts in the EPL. Whereas now we had what 2 or 3 players play in Europe? Those that play in big leagues played for sides who's main goal was to stay up (Brighton, Huddersfield). Those that do actually play for a top side in a respective league will lose out a spot to Ryan (Jones, Vuck), the rest are at mid table sides at mid tier leagues (Minus Rogic, but is the SPL even mid tier, anyhow he played in Europe which was good). The rest of the squad is made up of players in teams playing second fiddle in the second tier or players in the second divisions of England and Germany. Granted Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree, just don't see how they are comparable. I would expect our 2022 side to be at least even with 2010. Mooy and Ryan wouldn't look out of place at mid table clubs, we're not talking about a couple of struglers here
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.. and some here thought this squad was comparable with 2010 lol light years behind 2010
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+x+xProbably better than 2010 as well if u just look at where the players were playing the year before Look at the players who played at the World Cup in 2010.. look at the amount of players playing at a high level. I would without question pick our 2010 squad over 2018. But I would pick 2018 over 2014. 2009-10 Schwarzer - Fulham 37 games (EPL) Cahill - Everton 33 games 8 goals (EPL) Emerton - Blackburn 24 games (EPL) Bresciano - Palermo 21 games (Serie A) which earned him a move to Lazio in the following season Wilkshire - Dynamo Moscow 32 games (Russia), including Europa and UCL action Holman - AZ(Netherlands) 30 games including Europa Kewell - Galatasary 17 games 9 goals (Turkey), 9 games 4 goals in Europa League Jedinak - Antalyaspor 28 games (Turkey) Chipperfield - Basel 26 games (Swiss), 7 games in Europa League Garcia - Hull 18 games (EPL) Grella - Blackburn 15 games (EPL) Neill - Everton 12 games (EPL) Rukavytsa - Netherlands then loan to Belgium where he scored 4 in 9 Kennedy- scoring freely in the J - League 2010 was the third best squad we have ever had after 2006, 1997/1998
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Its way better than 2014. Remember when we had like 10-15 players injured? It wasn't that long ago
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Let's hope so 
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+xLet's hope so Why?
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As others have said, this is eons ahead of the squad from 2014, an upgrade in almost every position:
> Maty Ryan has gotten better since 2014 (and hopefully wont have a shocker of a tournament this time)
> We now have Sainsbury at CB who has been our most consistent performer in the past several years
> Mooy and Rogic in midfield plus Luongo and Irvine in the fold
> A (hopefully) fully fit Kruse and much better winger options, plus the x factor of Arzani who is one of the most technically gifted players since the golden generation
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2022 will be better
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@Chondro It Depends if we can unearth another Arzani type and hope we find another talented CB like Sainsbury.
We also need to find a very good CF, maybe Folami could be that, who knows.
Overall our talent pool needs to grow as we want the current guys to be pushed for there places and therefore we will be looking good for 2022.
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+x@Chondro It Depends if we can unearth another Arzani type and hope we find another talented CB like Sainsbury. We also need to find a very good CF, maybe Folami could be that, who knows. Overall our talent pool needs to grow as we want the current guys to be pushed for there places and therefore we will be looking good for 2022. I was listening to Ben Khalfallah speaking on FNR the other and while he agreed that Arzani was a world class talent, he mentioned that Australia really needs to be producing eight players with Arzani's talent per year. We have a long way to go before we get there.
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+x+x@Chondro It Depends if we can unearth another Arzani type and hope we find another talented CB like Sainsbury. We also need to find a very good CF, maybe Folami could be that, who knows. Overall our talent pool needs to grow as we want the current guys to be pushed for there places and therefore we will be looking good for 2022. I was listening to Ben Khalfallah speaking on FNR the other and while he agreed that Arzani was a world class talent, he mentioned that Australia really needs to be producing eight players with Arzani's talent per year. We have a long way to go before we get there. I made some time last year in a different thread but how many more Arzani's are out there? He went from Coogie United > FFA Skillaroos > NSWIS > FFA COE It seems to me we still have an talent ID issue, and not only just finding these players but also allowing to play there way without being overcoached. Its pretty rare for find someone this gifted like Arzani but given how many kids play football if we cant find more Arzani's when we have a problem, you thought the FFA NC was supposed to fix, is this about the culture and how he plays the game or both?
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Will Matt Simon still be playing ?
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+xWill Matt Simon still be playing ? Doubt it. According to this forum Arnie will be sacked after losing his first game 10-0.
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+xWill Matt Simon still be playing ? Managing Victory by then
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Let’s not judge now but after the World Cup.
It might not be the most talented roster we ever had but don’t discount them to work hard as a team to make up for it.
Mind you if Arzani is selected we would have some x-factor in this squad which wasn’t there in 2014 with him and Rogic in there, we just need to find a goal scorer and for our defence and keeper to be compatible to give us any hope of making the second round.
Have some faith
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+xLet’s not judge now but after the World Cup.It might not be the most talented roster we ever had but discount them to work hard as a team to make up for it.Mind you if Arzani is selected we would have some x-factor in this squad which wasn’t there in 2014 with him and Rogic in there, we just need to find a goal scorer and for our defence and keeper to be compatible to give us any hope of making the second round. Have some faith Thats all I can give in bold, bucket loads of it....... I think this is one WC all us Aussie Football Supporters give plenty group hugs - have positive vibes and hopefully they can sense us with them :)
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2014 was our worst squad, but still would have gotten a result against Holland if we had a competent keeper in goals.
Weaker group and a stronger team this time around, so hopefully we can get some points on the board.
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This is definitely a stronger squad than 2014. The 2014 squad played much better than the some of the parts though.
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No. Not even close.
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@Barca4life. What do you think?
Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials)
GK (7)
Ryan
Birighitti
Thomas
Duncan
Izzo
Glover
Margush
DF (13)
Sainsbury
Susnajr
Chapman
Donachie
Ansell
Elsey
Deng
Karacic
Atkinson
Strain
Gersbach
Garrucio
Elder
MF (18)
Dougall
B.O'Neill
A.O'Neill
Wilson
Antonis
Mcgree
Irvine
Luongo
Ikonomidis
Amini
Jeggo
Pasquali
DeSilva
Mileusnic
Rogic
Petratos
Hrustic
Italiano
FW (12)
Leckie
Arzani
Borello
Kitto
Theoharous
Champness
Mabil
Nabbout
Folami
Carter
Maclaren
Juric
+ a lot of young a league players who will become starters.
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+x@Barca4life. What do you think?Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials)GK (7)RyanBirighittiThomasDuncanIzzoGloverMargushDF (13)SainsburySusnajrChapmanDonachieAnsellElseyDengKaracicAtkinsonStrainGersbachGarrucioElderMF (18)DougallB.O'NeillA.O'NeillWilsonAntonisMcgreeIrvineLuongoIkonomidisAminiJeggoPasqualiDeSilvaMileusnicRogicPetratosHrusticItalianoFW (12)LeckieArzaniBorelloKittoTheoharousChampnessMabilNabboutFolamiCarterMaclarenJuric+ a lot of young a league players who will become starters. we say this stuff every four years lol
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+x@Barca4life. What do you think? Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials) GK (7) Ryan Birighitti Thomas Duncan Izzo Glover Margush DF (13) Sainsbury Susnajr Chapman Donachie Ansell Elsey Deng Karacic Atkinson Strain Gersbach Garrucio Elder MF (18) Dougall B.O'Neill A.O'Neill Wilson Antonis Mcgree Irvine Luongo Ikonomidis Amini Jeggo Pasquali DeSilva Mileusnic Rogic Petratos Hrustic Italiano FW (12) Leckie Arzani Borello Kitto Theoharous Champness Mabil Nabbout Folami Carter Maclaren Juric + a lot of young a league players who will become starters. Its so hard to predict these things, but thats a decent list
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+x@Barca4life. What do you think? Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials) GK (7) Ryan Birighitti Thomas Duncan Izzo Glover Margush DF (13) Sainsbury Susnajr Chapman Donachie Ansell Elsey Deng Karacic Atkinson Strain Gersbach Garrucio Elder MF (18) Dougall B.O'Neill A.O'Neill Wilson Antonis Mcgree Irvine Luongo Ikonomidis Amini Jeggo Pasquali DeSilva Mileusnic Rogic Petratos Hrustic Italiano FW (12) Leckie Arzani Borello Kitto Theoharous Champness Mabil Nabbout Folami Carter Maclaren Juric + a lot of young a league players who will become starters. Mooy will only be 31 in 2022, bit harsh to leave him out. He'll hopefully still be in the EPL in the prior season.
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+x+x@Barca4life. What do you think? Socceroos 2022 (50 potentials) GK (7) Ryan Birighitti Thomas Duncan Izzo Glover Margush DF (13) Sainsbury Susnajr Chapman Donachie Ansell Elsey Deng Karacic Atkinson Strain Gersbach Garrucio Elder MF (18) Dougall B.O'Neill A.O'Neill Wilson Antonis Mcgree Irvine Luongo Ikonomidis Amini Jeggo Pasquali DeSilva Mileusnic Rogic Petratos Hrustic Italiano FW (12) Leckie Arzani Borello Kitto Theoharous Champness Mabil Nabbout Folami Carter Maclaren Juric + a lot of young a league players who will become starters. Mooy will only be 31 in 2022, bit harsh to leave him out. He'll hopefully still be in the EPL in the prior season. All 3 big 5 players will still be in their prime next world cup so injuries permitting we can only get better
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that 2014 squad does look pretty ordinary, now that we mention it
Pretty hard to compare over the years, but it's pretty obvious that the 2006 squad was pretty good on paper, pretty much the top 12 or so players were playing in good leagues, most of them regularly, Chippers was probably at the lowest ranked league (Swiss), but at least he played regularly.
Seven or eight players were playing regularly in the Premier League, three in Serie A, one in La Liga, one in one of the top clubs in the Eredivisie, maybe a couple in the Championship, a couple in the Swiss league, three of 23 were paying A-League, but none got a run,
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2006
John Aloisi (Alaves, Spain) Marco Bresciano (Parma, Italy) Tim Cahill (Everton, England) Scott Chipperfield (Basel, Switzerland) Ante Covic (Hammarby, Sweden) Jason Culina (PSV Eindhoven, Holland) Ahmad Elrich (Fulham, England) Brett Emerton (Blackburn Rovers, England) Vince Grella (Parma, Italy) Joel Griffiths (Neuchatel Xamax, Switzerland) Zeljko Kalac (AC Milan, Italy) Harry Kewell (Liverpool, England) Stan Lazaridis (Birmingham City, England) Ljubo Milicevic (FC Thun, Switzerland) Lucas Neill (Blackburn Rovers, England) Tony Popovic (Crystal Palace, England) Mark Schwarzer (Middlesbrough, England) Josip Skoko (Wigan Athletic, England) Archie Thompson (Melbourne Victory, Australia) Michael Thwaite (National Bucharest, Romania) Tony Vidmar (NAC Breda, Holland) Mark Viduka (Middlesbrough, England) Luke Wilkshire (Bristol City, England)
Ended being
John Aloisi, Michael Beauchamp, Marco Bresciano, Tim Cahill, Scott Chipperfield, Ante Covic, Jason Culina, Brett Emerton, Vince Grella, Zeljko Kalac, Josh Kennedy, Harry Kewell, Stan Lazaridis, Mark Milligan, Craig Moore, Lucas Neill, Tony Popovic, Mark Schwarzer, Josip Skoko, Mile Sterjovski, Archie Thompson, Mark Viduka, Luke Wilkshire.
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Watching old highlights of the netherlands game is giving me nightmares about Maty again joking in a big game... be interested to see how sharp Vuka is after winning POTS for genk.
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I'd be more worried about Jones...
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2014 was worse. This squad has a good midfield and players have improved.
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Aljay
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Imagine if Ange has the 2014 squad to work his magic with.
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+xImagine if Ange has the 2014 squad to work his magic with. No. It had Matt McKay in it and he took up the spot for a better player.
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Who knows what was the 2002 Socceroo squad for the Oceana Cup which we ended up losing 1 nil to the All White?
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2002 playoff against uruguay
GK 1 Mark Schwarzer
DF 2 Kevin Muscat
DF 14 Shaun Murphy
DF 3 Craig Moore
DF 5 Tony Vidmar
MF 7 Brett Emerton
MF 4 Paul Okon (c)
MF 8 Josip Skoko
MF 11 Stan Lazaridis
FW 9 Mark Viduka
FW 10 Harry Kewell
Substitutions:
GK 12 Željko Kalac
DF 6 Tony Popovic
DF 16 Steve Horvat
MF 13 Mark Bresciano
MF 17 Steve Corica
FW 18 Paul Agostino
FW 21 John Aloisi
Manager:
Frank Farina
Sterjovski replaced Popovic in second leg.
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+x2002 playoff against uruguay GK 1 Mark Schwarzer DF 2 Kevin Muscat DF 14 Shaun Murphy DF 3 Craig Moore DF 5 Tony Vidmar MF 7 Brett Emerton MF 4 Paul Okon (c) MF 8 Josip Skoko MF 11 Stan Lazaridis FW 9 Mark Viduka FW 10 Harry Kewell Substitutions: GK 12 Željko Kalac DF 6 Tony Popovic DF 16 Steve Horvat MF 13 Mark Bresciano MF 17 Steve Corica FW 18 Paul Agostino FW 21 John Aloisi Manager: Frank Farina Sterjovski replaced Popovic in second leg. A better coach than Farina Ned Zelic would have been in the squad and we should have made it in Japan/ Kprea.
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2002 would have been great. Solid side. Imagine if they played more often together!
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When Nabbout and Petratos are cut and Brillante is retained.It will go pretty close.
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In a perfect world, we could have fielded a team of (fit, healthy and playing regularly)
Best 2018 side would have been...?
-------------------Ryan--------------
Karacic/Sainsbury/Spiranovic/Behich
Leckie/Irvine/Luongo/Borello
-----------Rogic/Juric---------------
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Deng/Williams/Susnajr/Gersbach
Atkinson/Dougall/Mooy/Petratos
---------Arzani/Maclaren----------
Vukovic
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+xIn a perfect world, we could have fielded a team of (fit, healthy and playing regularly)Best 2018 side would have been...? -------------------Ryan-------------- Karacic/Sainsbury/Spiranovic/Behich Leckie/Irvine/Luongo/Borello -----------Rogic/Juric------------------------ ----------Jones-------------- Deng/Williams/Susnajr/Gersbach Atkinson/Dougall/Mooy/Petratos ---------Arzani/Maclaren---------- Vukovic I reckon it's going to be horses for courses. Different personnel and slightly different tactics against France compared to against Denmark or against Peru. I'd say there should be some mainstays to start across all three matches in an ideal situation (Mooy, Irvine, Sains, Behich, Leckie and Ryan). Then the rest will be built around that frame and will vary depending on the attack/defence balance and how the attacks are to be crafted. If Mooy is fit to start for all three matches, then Rogic off the bench (potentially) for all three matches for half an hour or so. He is extremely patchy when he plays for an hour to the full ninety. Better to give him a short sharp burst. Get Mooy to try to ensure we have the right sort of influence in midfield to start the match. Anyway, against France, I'd say everyone starting should be a strong defensive player and then we focus all our goal scoring attempts on the counter. Maybe Rukya on one of the wings. No Arzani. Timmy is an option late in the game Against Denmark, strong defensive basis. Obviously we'll be hoping to make the most of the counter-attack. But we should also hope to have a bit more of the ball and to break them down in a slightly more proactive way. I'd say Arzani to start in that match (if fit enough to play at least an hour at his best). Once again, Timmy's an option for later in the game. And probably a similar story against Peru.
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2014 was a bottoming out (and no it wasn't Holgers fault) It was the FFAs failure to develop a youth development strategy from the mid 2000s
Ever since then its been a steady ascent and hopefully it continues to improve with clubs and federations putting more and more into youth development
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+x2014 was a bottoming out (and no it wasn't Holgers fault) It was the FFAs failure to develop a youth development strategy Ever since then its been a steady ascent and hopefully it continues to improve with clubs and federations putting more and more into youth development Holger certainly deserves some blame for not giving experience to young players so that we didn't have a low quality young and inexperienced squad Also blame goes to nsl shutting down for a year creating a missing generation. My egyptian friend said the egyptian league apparently shut down for a year and their national team apparently followed a u shaped curve where they also bottomed out for a year. (Can anyone confirm). I guess they now have salah so hopefully thats a sign for us there is light at the end of the tunnel The ffa have had a lot of problems but they have also had some achievements. Having the a league go mainstream with consistent >10k crowd averages, organizing the npl to condense the talent and bringing in a more technical focus to youth development aren't anything to be sneezed out. If we get a second division and can have a proper season length things could improve pretty rapidly again
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I'll try to respond to the rest of your post tomorrow. But just on the 1st XI vs 2nd XI thing before I hit the hay...
I understand what you and melbourne_terrace were driving at. But it does say one or two things about what BVM is working with. When there's depth, you can more or less, say who makes up the 1st XI and who makes up the 2nd XI without too much difficulty. Imo, the fact that we can't do that at all really highlights how much of a jigsaw puzzle our squad is.
Clearly, Mooy and Rogic are both among Australia's best XI and, theoretically, can be in the same starting line-up. In practice, however, one negates the other's effectiveness (almost always) and they're both to slow to be playing in central midfield together.
Leckie is a very industrious footballer who can play well against some of the world's best. But he often has the most awful first touch.
Similarly, our best finisher is the bloke who can only play for fifteen minutes.
And Aus' most gifted proponent of one-on-one at speed is a youngster with very little experience and who could do with a fair bit of defensive work.
All teams have problems like this. It's rare that everybody can do everything perfectly. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses. The problem, for Australia, is that it's so extreme. So, the starting line-up should very quite a bit depending on who they're up against and what they're trying to do.
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+xWith the final 26 being named for Russia 2018, and looking at how threadbare the squad is of geniune talent I am curious to know from long-time Socceroo supporters whether this is the worst squad ever assembled for a tournament [think Olympics, Confed Cups, WCQ, WC etc.] I'd have to cast my mind back to somewhere between 1988-1992 to find a comparable squad. No the 2014 squad is the worst in 25 years. This is them with a little more experience(better). Our peak was 1997- 2010
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I think its a big call to rate this squad without a ball kicked in the Grp stage yet, not long to go lets wait and see eh.
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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would be nice to see stuff positive stuff around the Socceroos for once.
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+xwould be nice to see stuff positive stuff around the Socceroos for once. Wrong forum
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Whenever the 2014 squad is assessed, it needs to be remembered that the following hands down starters were injured
Kruse
Rogic
Sainsbury
Williams
There were also injuries to Curtis Good and Luke DeVere. Something tells me there was another CB I can’t remember too. Even though Wilkinson played very well, he was about 5th choice CB going in.
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No way. This is miles ahead of 2014. Mooy, Sainsbury, Luongo, Irvine, Kruse, Behich and Rogic added since then. Only really lost Spira, Bresc and both franjic and Mckay were both decent back then. Since then also Leckie and ryan have improved.
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Not sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments
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+xNot sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments Germany announce their squad. They dropped Gotze, Gnabry, Ulreich, Emre Can, Wagner. So, basically a bunch of extras who could probably win the world cup haha.
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+xbohemia - 16 May 2018 11:50 PM +xapillay12 - 16 May 2018 11:31 PM Not sure about Australia, but England just announce their squad, Id say the worst in the last few tournaments Germany announce their squad. They dropped Gotze, Gnabry, Ulreich, Emre Can, Wagner. So, basically a bunch of extras who could probably win the world cup haha. Might as well split Germany back into individual Bundesländer, let alone East and West, considering their depth. Nordrhein-Westphalen could win it on their own. Neuer Weiser Hummels Höwedes Henrichs Goreztka Gündoğan Özil Draxler Reus Sané German State of Origin would be wicked whilst i'm thinking of it.
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contrast of McKay vs Mooy ... so much better
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+xcontrast of McKay vs Mooy ... so much better Yes but Mooy will improve and get to that level over time.
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Better than our 2014 squad i'd even say better then our 2015 Asian cup squad but the difference is Asia is f****n shit at football and winning the Asian cup is easier then making it out of most WC groups.....
these Kangaroos can play football -
Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017)
KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL
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