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+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) And a very good supporting cast with good depth.
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+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO.
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+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times.
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+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. the GG was tactically unbalanced in that there was no creativity in midfield which meant we relied on dukes and kewell to be advanced playmakers (although guus tried kewell at 10 but it didnt work). I think Dukes playing this role for australia meant his striking threat was blunted Its true they were lucky to get four points, but from another perspective they were unlucky not to get more curiously outside of kewell and cahill the GG weren't better than todays roos despite having much better club careers. That could be a reflection of the fact that many played the role of work horse in their club teams around more technically skilled players as some have suggested. Or it could be they just lacked match hardening and would have been much better if they qualified through asia 2002-2006
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+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. Just had the Asian champions, former world cup winners and a good Croatian team. And put up a great fight against the eventual winners of the damn tournament
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+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. the GG was tactically unbalanced in that there was no creativity in midfield which meant we relied on dukes and kewell to be advanced playmakers (although guus tried kewell at 10 but it didnt work). I think Dukes playing this role for australia meant his striking threat was blunted Its true they were lucky to get four points, but from another perspective they were unlucky not to get more curiously outside of kewell and cahill the GG weren't better than todays roos despite having much better club careers. That could be a reflection of the fact that many played the role of work horse in their club teams around more technically skilled players as some have suggested. Or it could be they just lacked match hardening and would have been much better if they qualified through asia 2002-2006 I can appreciate that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. Just had the Asian champions, former world cup winners and a good Croatian team. And put up a great fight against the eventual winners of the damn tournament Group opposition FIFA rankings 2006 - 12, 15, 20 vs 2018 - 7, 11 , 12
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. Just had the Asian champions, former world cup winners and a good Croatian team. And put up a great fight against the eventual winners of the damn tournament Group opposition FIFA rankings 2006 - 12, 15, 20 vs 2018 - 7, 11 , 12 Your right, Peru with that 12th ranking are clearly better than that Brazil team we faced. The rankings are definitive proof, thank you.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. The bloke who put 4 past Liverpool?
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+xThey were so good, that they couldn't qualify for a World Cup for 32 years! There's that dog whistle again.
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+x+x+x+x+xMore “has beens” telling us how great the Olden days were. Yep - why would we want to listen to anyone who had actual knowledge of the players of that generation... Let's just dismiss what he's saying out of hand rather than address the fact that we actually had those players back then. That's problem those in the past generation are removed from the coaching scene of today. Almost all of those critics are not doing any junior coaching today? Many of them have been chased out because their methods don't match the FFA's guidelines... As a result we have teachers who are good at following guidelines showing kids how to play like robots, whilst characters who could actually play the game sit in the pub and gripe. It isn't simply a question of resources. Israel, New Zealand and Iran, probably had similar resources to us when they knocked us out of WCQ campaigns in the 32 years of failure. Oops, there it is again.
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+x+xYeah another rant from the good ol days. I don't agree with him that Peru outsmarted us , they just capitalised on their chances better than us otherwise we pretty much dominated them. I don't know what match he was watching They definitely outsmarted us. They just sat back and took it easy, and then exploited the space in behind when our defence got stretched. We did not "dominate" by any means. They let us have the ball and were always very comfortable. It was a pretty miserable game for Australia actually. We didn't even get close. Well said. Rationality in the sea of delusion.
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+x+xThey were so good, that they couldn't qualify for a World Cup for 32 years! There's that dog whistle again. dog whistle implies racism. Care to explain?
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+x+x+xThey were so good, that they couldn't qualify for a World Cup for 32 years! There's that dog whistle again. dog whistle implies racism. Care to explain? Racism? No. Dog whistling is not limited to racism.
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Golden gen was just a golden gen. A group of players a cut oboe our normal level.
You could argue we finally found a way to constantly produce good players then changed everything or you could argue that it was a golden gen and this is our level.
I'm of the latter.
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For the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
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+xGolden gen was just a golden gen. A group of players a cut oboe our normal level. You could argue we finally found a way to constantly produce good players then changed everything or you could argue that it was a golden gen and this is our level. I'm of the latter. Pretty much this
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+x+xI thought we qualified in 2005 in a penalty shoot out to an average Uruguay side who missed some sitters? And then in 2006 got to the second round with one win, one draw and a loss. The win was a "loss" until the 82nd minute. We have NEVER been a dominant football nation. Partially true. Since we've acquired European powerhouse football methodology, we've definitely had a greater share of possession, and more control of the game, against the same opponents we've always played. It is interesting that some of the old guard cannot bring themselves to praise current Socceroo teams for; improved team structure, improved defence starting from the attacking line, better patterns of play in midfield build ups, better modes of communication between players within the lines and between the lines, Improved teamwork with modern Socceroos better at playing as a cohesive unit, with and without the ball. They focus on one weaker aspect (out a of a myriad of strengths) at any given point in time, then use it to denigrate the entire team and whole game plan. In addition, they use it to argue the methodology from FFA Tech Dept is flawed, when it was designed and imported from the nations whose football we've adulated! The aforementioned positive qualities and improved facets of play have been achieved against the best opponents in world football on the biggest stage - the WC. Few of the pundit/player/coach/critics ever achieved this in their careers, although Rale coached a team to the WC in 1974. Yes, we have a huge problem in current attacking interplay and scoring goals from open play, but it needs to be appraised within a context of the Socceroos having many other strengths. It needs to improve to bring it up to the standard of the standard of the rest of our game. I've watched the Socceroos since 1973. We have never had 20 players the calibre of Arzani, and Rogic, in terms of skill on the ball. Apart from Harry Kewell, I don't think we've ever had any players of their calibre in terms of ball carrying, balance on the ball, acceleration, ability to change pace and 1v1 evasion skills. Ned Zelic was a good ball carrier too. Stan Lazaridis was a fast ball carrier. I can't think of too many others though. Maybe Adrian Alston, a Pom who played for Oz, had some of these qualities which he displayed in the 1974 WC. I should add that Bulldog Slater had tremendous pace and was a wonderful ball carrier in space in the epoch when he played for Lens and became Oceanian Footballer Of The Year. He certainly impressed Diego Maradona.
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+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz.
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+x+x+xYeah another rant from the good ol days. I don't agree with him that Peru outsmarted us , they just capitalised on their chances better than us otherwise we pretty much dominated them. I don't know what match he was watching They definitely outsmarted us. They just sat back and took it easy, and then exploited the space in behind when our defence got stretched. We did not "dominate" by any means. They let us have the ball and were always very comfortable. It was a pretty miserable game for Australia actually. We didn't even get close. Well said. Rationality in the sea of delusion. Good recruit for you for Anarchy Football, Freaken. LOL!
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+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
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Another thing that could be an issue is look how many different leagues we have people playing now. so many different leagues with different styles. At least when half your squad plays in England they are used to that style and may be a little more in sync with each other
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+x‘Back in the day everything used to be better’ I hear that a few bit from the older generation whether that’s agreeable is debatable but it does give me a laugh from time to time.Overall rants don’t help our cause what we need is solutions and real deep understanding of what is going on, why doesn’t he get involved instead and see it for himself instead of taking shots from the sidelines, of course because he’s too good so he’s opinion does make it a little ilrelevent in this case. The older generation, many who were sacked as coaches in the overhauled FFA system, often seize on one aspect of play to excoriate every facet of overall Socceroo performances to push their own agenda. The people who use the phrase, ' we should develop a curriculum based on the inherent strengths of Australian football' are totally deluded. Apart from mental and physical strength, there were no traits of the entire milieu of Australian football in performance that international powerhouses admired and wanted to import into their own curricula and methodologies. The current system was designed to compensate for all the inherent weaknesses in Aussie players of the 32 years of failure to qualify for any senior WC. To be knocked out by Iran ( twice) , New Zealand and Israel, is abysmal. The ad hoc system in Oz needed fixing.
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+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot
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+x+x‘Back in the day everything used to be better’ I hear that a few bit from the older generation whether that’s agreeable is debatable but it does give me a laugh from time to time.Overall rants don’t help our cause what we need is solutions and real deep understanding of what is going on, why doesn’t he get involved instead and see it for himself instead of taking shots from the sidelines, of course because he’s too good so he’s opinion does make it a little ilrelevent in this case. The people who use the phrase, ' we should develop a curriculum based on the inherent strengths of Australian football' are totally deluded. Apart from mental and physical strength, there were no traits of the entire milieu of Australian football in performance that international powerhouses admired and wanted to import into their own curricula and methodologies. How funny, Mr NC doesnt even know what's in the NC, classic
FFA’s Football Philosophy can therefore be summarised in the following statement of a national playing style: A proactive brand of football, based on effective possession with the cutting edge provided by creative individuals. Defensively the key components are quick transition and intelligent collective pressing. The Playing Style is underpinned by a strong ‘team mentality’, capitalising on Australia’s traditional strengths.
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+xAnother thing that could be an issue is look how many different leagues we have people playing now. so many different leagues with different styles. At least when half your squad plays in England they are used to that style and may be a little more in sync with each other The ones where players seem to improve as international team players for Australia are the Eredivisie, Serie A (we currently have none), the Bundesliga and the EPL. They also seem to improve from playing J League and K League. Behich has improved from playing in Turkey. Germany, Holland, France and Spain use similar tactical methodology. I'd surmise Belgium and Portugal do too. Even though different from our general tactical approach , essentially being Reactive as opposed to Proactive, Serie A and Italian football adopt very sophisticated tactical methodology. It is another very good club football milieu for enhancing Aussie players' international skill sets. Given the awful football on show from most European teams (outside the powerhouses) in World Cups and European Champs, most are counterproductive as scenarios for enhancing Aussie players' qualities for playing international football.
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+x+x+x‘Back in the day everything used to be better’ I hear that a few bit from the older generation whether that’s agreeable is debatable but it does give me a laugh from time to time.Overall rants don’t help our cause what we need is solutions and real deep understanding of what is going on, why doesn’t he get involved instead and see it for himself instead of taking shots from the sidelines, of course because he’s too good so he’s opinion does make it a little ilrelevent in this case. The people who use the phrase, ' we should develop a curriculum based on the inherent strengths of Australian football' are totally deluded. Apart from mental and physical strength, there were no traits of the entire milieu of Australian football in performance that international powerhouses admired and wanted to import into their own curricula and methodologies. How funny, Mr NC doesnt even know what's in the NC, classic
FFA’s Football Philosophy can therefore be summarised in the following statement of a national playing style: A proactive brand of football, based on effective possession with the cutting edge provided by creative individuals. Defensively the key components are quick transition and intelligent collective pressing. The Playing Style is underpinned by a strong ‘team mentality’, capitalising on Australia’s traditional strengths.
I've never argued against any of these recommended notions. I advocate them unequivocally. I've coached them on the training track. Like some in the Aussie football media, I'm not sure you know what transition means in football specific vernacular? Many use transition when they mean build up.
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+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. If you think this current team was better than the one in 06 you are full of it. You can look at it from any perspective you like, the quality of the clubs they played with or the fact our golden generation got out of the groups and in their two world cups gathered 8 points. Compared to 1 point the past two world cups who relied upon the tactically inept golden generation players to carry them through and too the world cup.
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