Rasic was reasonable coach at the time. Instilled high level of discipline and favoured defense. His modus operandi was that we will never beat a decent international side so lets just keep the score reasonable. Same defensive attitude followed by coaches like Thompson.

Arok was the first NT coach that made the players believe in themselves and take it to the opposition.

I know my mind was going all over the shop as I typed in anger but thanks for your kind words, not.
Next time I'll type out in bullet form for you.

Yeah, but many on here come from a milieu that has difficulty clicking on links

You could have just posted a link to Rale Rasic’s Wikipedia page mate.

Why would anyone listen to Rasic, it's not like he's actually achieved anything, especially compared the accomplishments of the "experts" on here....

Rale Rasic OAM - Coach - Football (Soccer)
Rale Rasic has a unique position in Australian soccer having been the first coach to take Australia to the finals of the World Cup in West Germany 1974. Rasic coached Australia in 58 international matches from 1970 to 1974.

Rasic immigrated to Australia in 1962, but returned to Yugoslavia after 18 months to serve in the army. His obligations met, Rasic returned to Australia, and played football in the Victorian league. He revolutionised the game in Australia, was appointed national coach in 1970 at just 26 years of age, masterminded Australia's qualification and participation at the 1974 FIFA World Cup.

After a disappointing performance at the World Cup, the Australian Soccer Federation dumped him as national coach, replacing him with Englishman Brian Green (who later fled the country after he was caught shoplifting). Rasic believes that he was dumped because he was not seen as being a real "Aussie". Rasic stated, "They took from me something that I was doing better than anyone else. I was a true-blue Aussie and nobody can deny that. I taught the players how to sing the national anthem". These days, as the first coach to take Australia to the World Cup finals, Rasic is widely respected in Australian football.

A massive lobby for Rasic to return as Australia's World Cup coach for 1979 began early in 1978 but never eventuated because Rasic made crystal clear his terms: complete and utter control and absolutely no interference from the Australian Soccer Federation. The ASF would never give a coach the job under those circumstances and conditions.

Rasic's first coaching job was in Footscray followed by Melbourne HSC, St. George Budapest, Marconi, and Pan Hellenic. In 1967 he coached Footscray to the Victorian championship and from 1968 to 1970 he was the Victorian senior state coach. In 1970 he coached the Victorian youth team to win the national championships and in 1971 coached St. George to win the NSW grand final and Tokyo International Tournament. He coached Marconi to the Australian championships in 1972 and to the NSW grand final in 1973. In 1979 he coached Adelaide to win the NSL Cup final. From 1986 to 1988 his teams won the national championships and the NSL Cup final.

In 1974 Rasic was listed among the top 35 coaches in the world by German Soccer expert Fritz Hack, and in 1977 and 1987 he was voted the national league coach of the year. He was a television presenter on SBS, during the Australian network's 2006 FIFA World Cup coverage.

In 2004 Rasic was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for his service to soccer as a player, coach and administrator.

True.

Not much fun to aspire to be a pro, do the 10 000 hours and then not be deemed good enough!

Are you currently coaching, Arthur?

You are an accredited FFA coach.

Benjamin, why don't you don the tracksuit, do some coaching badges and coach?

Arzani has already performed quite well in cameos at the WC.

Kaz was brilliant at 16, but inexplicably faded out. This happens to many star players at youth World Cups.

It is not players like Crino and Patikas who are being criticised, but coaches like Rale Rasic and Ron Smith who fell aggrieved they are being ignored by the media and the Aussie football milieu in general.  

Of course if they advance players being better than some current players, there will be comparisons made. The old players, like Crino and Patikas, did the best they could.

However, there is a also a smug generation  of former players, who refuse to do the FFA Advanced Coaching badges. They criticise the state of the current game at every opportunity.  Football Lover recommend they  get their tracksuits on, do their coaching badges  and join the rest of us at the coaching coalface. 

 We need Ned Zelic, Craig Johnstone, Robbie Slater and Mark Bosnich, to undertake the FFA Advanced coaching courses, like plebs like me and the rest do, and contribute to the future of Aussie players. Instead they snipe from the sidelines, and whinge.

 Former Aussie pros and Socceroos, Craig Foster, David, Zdrilic, the Aloisi brothers, Arnie, Ange, Craig Moore, Muscat, Popa, Corica, Ante Milicic, Kalaz, Rudan, Damian Mori, the Vidmar brothers, Paul Okon, Alex Tobin, Gareth Edds, Ayton Genc, even Harry Kewell, et al, are putting in their time undertaking advanced  coaching badges and making a contribution  developing the next generation of players on the training track. 


There are also many views expressed by members of 442 who pass judgment from the sidelines - often watching their own kids.

Why not get involved yourselves, as Football Lover has suggested? We need all the coaches we can get  in Australia- not whingers sniping from  the sidelines. Or if anyone wants to make pronouncements, do it from an informed point of view by having undertaken Advanced Coach Ed.

  

One big factor that many on here seem to miss is a genetic one. 

All skills reside in the human brain.

Further to that point, the ability to acquire complex skills requires a high functioning working memory and it is unquestionably heritable. 

Now, i'm not calling for the FFA to do some standardised IQ test, but this is an important factor to consider.

No amount of training, 10,000 hours with the ball or so forth is going to change the fact that some players have "it" and others don't.  

In 5 games, Arzani proved to be head and shoulders above the level Kaz Patafta reached in about 40. 

Kaz Patafta was just not very good. 

Agreed.....He still has it all to do, but I think he has huge potential, my biggest fear is he will become another
Kaz Patafta which seems to happen far to often with young aus talent. 

He won the Harry Kewell medal at 19, its an U23 award... so do our attacking midfielders now need to be topping goal scoring charts? is this why we aren't developing strikers? lol

Im not sure if i agree with the above post or not. Too poorly structured to decipher 

so some here take the headline literally, you are seriously smug bastards arn't youse.
I'm appalled that there is the divide amongst supporters let alone our pathetic excuse of a national system for Snrs/Jnrs run by a corporate that I see disrespect to the early days, the middle, the GG and Arzani would sweep most.
GTFO, seriously.
Comparing part timers/amateurs who probably played better than most here anyway to the GG this GG that seriously some of you are smug arseholes. WTF have you done on the playing pitch ? nothing I would imagine.
Decentric whistling the systematic POV is the be all end all, 26yrs or whatever never making it, love to see you saying that in front of some ex players who worked their guts out on shoe string budgets/part time jobs etc - Abonyi/Richards/Alston or better still if JW was still with us/Baartzy, and more -  I would expect you would have more sense/respect than that D.
Every paper/doc/stat does not breed champion players but provide knowledge, they need to do it on the pitch and whatever people think comparing current to past players who we are up against at NT with all this knowledge/expertise they are still not good enough, period...just as in the past barring exceptions.
The stats say last last 2 WC's, no matter how much better our BP/BPO is, no matter how good Rogic/Mooy is they are NOT good enough who we face right now, who has scored of late ?, who has broke the last line of late ?, thems the facts right for what does the scoreboard show ?! zip and thats what counts in your stats.
We now have better passer's than 10yrs ago, 20yrs ago,30yrs ago - yep they can pass the ball well compared to say Bres/Zelic/Culina's etcetc but mostly backwards lol.......great stats.
but we competed - when hasn't an Aussie team not competed, your wearing the shirt.
Can't score a goal from open play for how long but for pens but our BPO/BO is great :) you rippa.
Jesus, were doing so well, you guys are in lalaland no wonder Arzani is the panadol over all this pain.
Breath of fresh air absolutely but he ain't no where as shown by AJF re Dukes, HK another but great to see after all these other sos and so players who just arn't delivering.
paulc, < echo Arthur's post, shame shame but everyone here has an opinion just as I'm doing now.

So what do we really have to look forward to in the coming future right now ? Arzani, Sains, Mooy - well if only his depth pass's were more forward, heck lets persist for a change and have him fly the ball like we know he can for a forward to run onto for his head or behind the line instead of back and back and back,  Rogic, I'm waiting on him being he's so good now we keep being told to actually do it game in game out, ok at least one game on one game off to experience such highs then a low :)
Hopefully Luongo gets some runs on the board - there is hope.
Behich.
Nabbout - worth persisting with.
Petratos - absolutely.
Mac - yes.
Ryan - yes I suppose.
The rest not mentioned pretty much whatever, especially Leckie/Kruse, done enough time to say, "goodbyyeeee" in Sound of Music theme :)
The headline is wrong but some play it eh, we all have watched far better Roo teams than this full stop....and we keep wondering whats coming through the ranks, yer we wait for '22 with bated breath.
 
 

 

Generalizations does not make you comment clear or correct. Are you doubting I knew Oscar Crino's talents?

I couldn't name 20 Arzanis, but I could name 20 other players in that 2006 squad, all who have achieved more at club level and contributed more at International level than Arzani has.

I'm not saying that Arzani will not be a great player... but he's still a kid, and we can have this conversation in 2 years time. Or if he gets some full games at the Asian Cup, we'll get to see how good he really is.   Too soon to tell now.    having an Arzani developing his skills and matureing is good, but we once had Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Aloisi, Cahill, Culina, that was the attack power that we once had.    I think that could be what they were referring to, when they said "we used to have 20 Arzani's " ?     not sure.

That comment just says it all about you Paulc, I feel sorry you see it that way but it each to their own.

He hasnt actually done anything yet so who is he to be discussed anyway?

Get excited if he could come close to Viduka's awards when 18 & 19
- NSL Top Goalscorer: 1993–94, 1994–95
- NSL U21 Player of the Year: 1993–94, 1994–95
- Johnny Warren Medal: 1993–94, 1994–95

Unfortunately, due to the wasteland that is Australian youth development at the moment, people get highly excited about a 19YO whos scored 2 goals in 24 appearances for MC. Get a grip people, wait until he actually does something.

LOL. Don't believe the old dinosaurs.

The highest skillset of the past belonged to Oscar Crino (playing the ball along the ground with smart passing from the outside of his foot were his strong points) and believe me  he was still half the player Rogic or Mooy is.

Development systems
More infrastructure
Incentives
Etc Etc

Can be provided by those who think you can run a league with 4000 with the whiff of oily rag and lots of traditional kulcha!

He showed promise and i have very high hopes but you need a bit of perspective. Against France he really didn't do that much, Denmark he was very good in his cameo but still wasted his best chance and against Peru he didn't really threaten them that much either. This is all with the advantage of running at tired defenders, being a complete unknown and with no one knowing what tricks he has or how he likes to play.

He looked better than he really was because he replaced Kruse who was absolutely abysmal going forward this world cup, so some directness was a bit of fresh air.

Disagree withthsi , Arthur.

BVM's team were defensively better. 

BVM's team had as much territory and possession as Ange's roo.

Ange was a good coach form Brazil to just after the Asian Cup. He was a good tournament coach, but not as good a WCQing coach.

Fair comment.

Russia were better against Croatia.

No.

Even if they were 30 min stint cameos, to play as well as he did against the calibre of opposition was very impressive. 

What league he plays in to me is irrelevant. He has already proved himself against the best there is - including the current WC finalist. France is far tougher opposition than just about any current club team.

Your assertions are false.

Our youth development systems have been producing quality players up to the age of 16 that would not be out of place in Europe.
While that quality can be improved there's no doubt, structural changes at this level will improve players.

Currently a problem we lack is the Football  Infrastructure and Platforms to transition more players of quality into the Adult playing pool.
Hence why I say to young people with aspirations of professional football you must leave Australia, history shows that for many Australians this is a familiar pathway.

There exists insurmountable player roadblocks and player wastage examples that make the next level a risky proposition.
These need to be addressed, in particular by incentive, for the Club and the player/parent to minimize risk in the transformation process.

Most of those have no restrictive regulation imposed by the FFA for NPL and lower. Get on with it and do all the things you assert will make football boom when it failed before under the guidance of insular clubs.

Stop wanting promotion as a money grab.

Then you both don't understand how our Ecosystem works! The regulations created by the FFA to create that ecosystem.
NPL Participation Licences
Player Point Systems
Coach Licence Costs
Player Compensation System
Football Club Pyramid System
Closed Shop System
Governance Systems
Infrstructure Deficet Issues
Seasonal restrictions
Transitional Youth to Senior issues