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+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot You've used some casuaristic reasoning to claim I've proffered this! I've never criticised Brazilian technical development. LOL! When in Switzerland I read a big article where they claim Roy Hodgson is the progenitor of their overhauled football system. They possibly have good liaison between the pro clubs and the grass roots, but they don't have a holistic national system. ATM apart from Shaquiri and one or two others, they are also a team of plodders.
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Decentric
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+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. If you think this current team was better than the one in 06 you are full of it. You can look at it from any perspective you like, the quality of the clubs they played with or the fact our golden generation got out of the groups and in their two world cups gathered 8 points. Compared to 1 point the past two world cups who relied upon the tactically inept golden generation players to carry them through and too the world cup. Go back and dispassionately have a look at the Socceroos playing the four games in the 2006 WC. One will observe; frequent turnovers, more mistakes in possession, more speculative, long, high straight balls, less discipline in BP and BPO, inferior teamwork in midfield build ups, slower Defensive Transitions, slower Attacking Transitions, far worse cohesion playing out from the back ( who says what to who and when?).
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+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot You've used some casuaristic reasoning to claim I've proffered this! I've never criticised Brazilian technical development. LOL! When in Switzerland I read a big article where they claim Roy Hodgson is the progenitor of their overhauled football system. They possibly have good liaison between the pro clubs and the grass roots, but they don't have a holistic national system. ATM apart from Shaquiri and one or two others, they are also a team of plodders. More rubbish, many excellent players in the squad currently and coming through. Shaqiri, Xhaka, Lichsteiner, Rodriguez, Embolo, Akanji and plenty other young players playing regularly now at many Bundesliga clubs from moves from the Swiss League. Even a technically excellent player in Frueler who plays for Atalanta can't get any minutes because they have a very good team. More factually correct statements from Decentric. Keep it coming
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City Sam
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+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. If you think this current team was better than the one in 06 you are full of it. You can look at it from any perspective you like, the quality of the clubs they played with or the fact our golden generation got out of the groups and in their two world cups gathered 8 points. Compared to 1 point the past two world cups who relied upon the tactically inept golden generation players to carry them through and too the world cup. Go back and dispassionately have a look at the Socceroos playing the four games in the 2006 WC. One will observe; frequent turnovers, more mistakes in possession, more speculative, long, high straight balls, less discipline in BP and BPO, inferior teamwork in midfield build ups, slower Defensive Transitions, slower Attacking Transitions, far worse cohesion playing out from the back ( who says what to who and when?). And one will also see us play well enough to get a result, maybe that part is missing in the current NC.
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+x+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot You've used some casuaristic reasoning to claim I've proffered this! I've never criticised Brazilian technical development. LOL! When in Switzerland I read a big article where they claim Roy Hodgson is the progenitor of their overhauled football system. They possibly have good liaison between the pro clubs and the grass roots, but they don't have a holistic national system. ATM apart from Shaquiri and one or two others, they are also a team of plodders. More rubbish, many excellent players in the squad currently and coming through. Shaqiri, Xhaka, Lichsteiner, Rodriguez, Embolo, Akanji and plenty other young players playing regularly now at many Bundesliga clubs from moves from the Swiss League. Even a technically excellent player in Frueler who plays for Atalanta can't get any minutes because they have a very good team. More factually correct statements from Decentric. Keep it coming To lose to Sweden is hardly the quality of a veritable football powerhouse to model our methodology on. Switzerland lacks one integral quality of common phenomenon unique to eight identified world powerhouses, with four more pushing for this status. They have no holistic national system. Nations like this have players who are confused with tactics when they play together as a national team. They are not familiar enough with a formational system in national underage teams that has been adopted through youth ranks to senior football, because they have played so many variations of formations and differing ad hoc game plans in domestic club football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot You've used some casuaristic reasoning to claim I've proffered this! I've never criticised Brazilian technical development. LOL! When in Switzerland I read a big article where they claim Roy Hodgson is the progenitor of their overhauled football system. They possibly have good liaison between the pro clubs and the grass roots, but they don't have a holistic national system. ATM apart from Shaquiri and one or two others, they are also a team of plodders. More rubbish, many excellent players in the squad currently and coming through. Shaqiri, Xhaka, Lichsteiner, Rodriguez, Embolo, Akanji and plenty other young players playing regularly now at many Bundesliga clubs from moves from the Swiss League. Even a technically excellent player in Frueler who plays for Atalanta can't get any minutes because they have a very good team. More factually correct statements from Decentric. Keep it coming To lose to Sweden is hardly the quality of a veritable football powerhouse to model our methodology on. Switzerland lacks one integral quality of common phenomenon unique to eight identified world powerhouses, with four more pushing for this status. They have no holistic national system. Italy lost to Sweden, Netherlands lost to Sweden, Mexico lost 3-0 to Sweden, Germany failed to get out of the group while Sweden did, who i might add since you are completely and utterly clueless are one of the most successful world cup teams from nations who haven't won the tournament.
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Anecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France...
I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer.
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+xAnecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France... I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer. This and the wealth of certain leagues is the big reason why Decentric's list of football powerhouses manage to sustain continual success compared to the rest. Because ultimately no matter what, every nation not local to these leagues need to at some point require their players to develop in a foreign league. No surprise that once the Dutch league lost the quality it once had they started to struggle massively.
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Personally not a fan of the swedish style of bus parking long balling. Gets results but doesn't thrill me.
With the NC is it regularly reviewed and if so how and by who? Nothing is above improvement and as this world cup shows football trends can change.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. Sorry, my mistake, your 14 years of Tasmanian state league experience makes you far better equipped to judge the ability of players to play in first division European leagues, than the international coaches over there. Grasshoppers is an excellent team and more Aussie kids should aspire to play for them as they will get much better tactical education there than in the EPL, La Liga, etc. Also how silly of me, why would we want to develop players like Brazil, pffft, they only made the quarters this year and have won it like, 5 times, whats that when compared to the tactically equipped and edumacated socceroos........ you are an idiot You've used some casuaristic reasoning to claim I've proffered this! I've never criticised Brazilian technical development. LOL! When in Switzerland I read a big article where they claim Roy Hodgson is the progenitor of their overhauled football system. They possibly have good liaison between the pro clubs and the grass roots, but they don't have a holistic national system. ATM apart from Shaquiri and one or two others, they are also a team of plodders. More rubbish, many excellent players in the squad currently and coming through. Shaqiri, Xhaka, Lichsteiner, Rodriguez, Embolo, Akanji and plenty other young players playing regularly now at many Bundesliga clubs from moves from the Swiss League. Even a technically excellent player in Frueler who plays for Atalanta can't get any minutes because they have a very good team. More factually correct statements from Decentric. Keep it coming Switzerland lacks one integral quality of common phenomenon unique to eight identified world powerhouses, with four more pushing for this status. They have no holistic national system. Really interesting, tell me again about how the Swiss managed to get 5 points and out of the group stage without a holistic NC?
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So our current squad is as good as the golden generation, who weren't golden after all, and relied entirely on Kewell - and getting through their group with was due to the luck of the draw because the nations at the time were ranked a few places lower than those we played this year...
Also good to see that Viduka, with 92 goals in 240 EPL games, wasn't a goalscoring #9, farken.
Finally, good to see that the opinion of former players, many of whom HAVE completed coaching badges, etc., aren't important because they don't 'understand' the FFA's concepts... It couldn't possibly be that they understand but disagree with them...
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+x+x+x+xFor the delusional people on here, just compare the squads from 2006 and where they were playing to this years team. All the armchair experts like Decentric can sprout their crap opinions and make excuses, but if current gen was any good they would be playing at better clubs. Full Stop. Check Mate. 2006 Squad2018 Squad:
Armchair expert! LOL! I've had 14 years coaching experience on the pitch including two roles as TD - one at a NPL club. Teams are not comprised of cattle who reach a certain standard because they play at clubs playing in good leagues. It is a question of developing them into an effective team unit, otherwise Brazil would win every WC based on the quality of their players and which clubs they play at. The current Socceroos are far better equipped tactically and better educated. This enables them to play more effectively as a cohesive team unit, compared to the 2006 Socceroos and any generation before that. This is because they have a better grasp of structure, communication and tactics, having all been educated in a similar way - European powerhouse methodology extrapolated to Oz. If you think this current team was better than the one in 06 you are full of it. You can look at it from any perspective you like, the quality of the clubs they played with or the fact our golden generation got out of the groups and in their two world cups gathered 8 points. Compared to 1 point the past two world cups who relied upon the tactically inept golden generation players to carry them through and too the world cup. Go back and dispassionately have a look at the Socceroos playing the four games in the 2006 WC. One will observe; frequent turnovers, more mistakes in possession, more speculative, long, high straight balls, less discipline in BP and BPO, inferior teamwork in midfield build ups, slower Defensive Transitions, slower Attacking Transitions, far worse cohesion playing out from the back ( who says what to who and when?). OK lets look dispassionately 2006 - Group Stage 4 pts, GD 0, eliminated by Italy in Rd 16 2010 - Group Stage 4 pts, GD -3, third in group on GD 2014 - Group Stage 0 pts, GD -6, last in group 2018 - Group Stage 1 pt, GD - 3, last in group We were last in 2014 and 2018 but hey, we had awesome discipline in BPO
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+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Milligan would have been a useful acquisition too. In 2006, there were barely any videos of the Socceroos' performances using Guus's match plans for opposition coaches to study to formulate a game plan against us. The Socceroos were an unknown quantity. In 2018, Australia was more competitive in each of the three group games they played. In 2006 Brazil swept Australia aside - unlike any team in 2018. The only advantage the 2006 GG had over the squad in Russia was finishing ability across the entire team.
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+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. That could be a reflection of the fact that many played the role of work horse in their club teams around more technically skilled players as some have suggested. Or it could be they just lacked match hardening and would have been much better if they qualified through asia 2002-2006 Both are fair points.
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+x@Quicklfick i personally don’t think he knows what is happened with the system, people that I’ve spoken to who are coaches at junior level know what is going on have a much better understanding than someone like Rasic. True. I've interviewed him. He has a good football mind, but is very annoyed his opinion isn't more sought after in the Oz contemporary football scene.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. Dukes held the ball up well and was a useful part of a whole team game plan to create chances, even if few fell to him. Nevertheless, Dukes only scored 11 goals from 44 games played. 25% scoring rate from games played for a central striker is abysmal in international footballer.
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+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Milligan would have been a useful acquisition too. In 2006, there were barely any videos of the Socceroos' performances using Guus's match plans for opposition coaches to study to formulate a game plan against us. The Socceroos were an unknown quantity. In 2018, Australia was more competitive in each of the three group games they played. In 2006 Brazil swept Australia aside - unlike any team in 2018. The only advantage the 2006 GG had over the squad in Russia was finishing ability across the entire team. As opposed to the masses of videos of BVM coaching us? Oh wait a minute he was manager for 1 minute. And Brazil swept us aside? We frustrated them, missed an open goal and had to face an utterly embarrassing refereeing display. You literally make shit up
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+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. the GG was tactically unbalanced in that there was no creativity in midfield ... You realise that was when Bresciano was playing at his peak, right?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Or had en easier group and the best coach in the world. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. Just had the Asian champions, former world cup winners and a good Croatian team. And put up a great fight against the eventual winners of the damn tournament Group opposition FIFA rankings 2006 - 12, 15, 20 vs 2018 - 7, 11 , 12 Even though FIFA rankings are dodgy, you've made a compelling point, Paul C. What this amounts to in Australia is an inverse snobbery. There is an adulation by many - Eurosnobs - of any m national milieu in any country in Europe being decidedly superior to everything outside - barring South America. When objective football performance analysis criteria is applied, it shows that most European teams are plodders, and robots, who just make up the numbers in Euro Champs and World Cups. Outside the teams representing big five European leagues, plus Portugal, Belgium and Croatia, the rest have no realistic chance of winning any tournament. Credit to Greece for wining the Euro sin 2004, but it was fluke. All these plodders are characterised by, at their best or in their Golden Generations, tight, organised cohesive defences. Essentially, they play direct football, hoofing many long, high, straight balls up into the mixer, and rely on players much bigger on average than those in the general population. I've seen them in WCQs, Euro Qualifiers, European Champs and World Cups. Thankfully, FFA Tech Department has ignored all their national federations' football methodology. The powerhouses in Europe are characterised by: * They can play out from the back under squeezing and pressing pressure. * They can build up steadily through the midfield. * They can play slick football ( rapidfire passing) in tight triangles and diamonds, with players individually having fast handling speed. * A greater percentage of their players use : -the outside of the foot for passing, as well as the shoelace, -players are pretty two footed and comfortable on both sides of the body, - feature a number of players who are fast ball carriers, - feature a number of players who use the outside of both feet to beat players 1v1, - feature a number of players with fast handling speed. *The powerhouses also reflect the average height of the general population, as they primarily rely on technique for success. Not have a football team that is much taller than the average height of the general population, because they see their advantage in contesting high balls and second balls, and, muscle on muscle contests, to compensate for their lack of technique on the ball. The fact that Russia and Sweden were knocked out in the quarters is no coincidence. Their lack of technical quality, compared to the powerhouses, eventually and inevitably caught up with them. They can only ever play a Reactive game against the powerhouses, because they don't have the technical quality to play Proactive circulation football against them. They cannot dictate terms or/and have the majority of possession and territory. They can only 'nick' the odd result against powerhouses, by playing on the counter. Few, if any, of the other teams outside the big Euro five leagues' international teams, plus the current Croatia, Portugal and Belgium, have any chance of winning big tournaments. Yet blindly, and perplexingly, many in Australia think the European plodders and automatons are better than the better African, Asian and North American teams. They aren't.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn 2006 the socceroos included Archie,Millsy ,Beauchamp and Wilkshere.We had a few quality players,but the majority were average on the world stage.They did not go into the World Cup as the golden generation..They were expected to lose.Kewell was the only X Factor player.If we had not drawn against Croatia we would not have got out of the group phase and thus would have been no better than any other Socceroo team.Really apart from having strikers who could score and Kewell ,we weren't that great.We just had more average players playing in overseas leagues.The golden generation was really Kewell.Without him they weren't. The closest and most accurate account of the situation lies here in Crims comments. Further, the golden generation had far more more opportunity through overseas clubs.and federations having less restrictions importing foreign players at the time. well I'd say kewell viduka and cahill were the golden gen so 3 players unfortunately dukes didn't score frequently for the roos (but contributed in a lot of other ways) Would they have been called the golden generation had not done so well during the 2006 WC? Viduka could not score a goal if his life depended on it in that world cup, not even one assist. Has never scored a goal against quality WC opposition either. Had to be given the captaincy to bribe him back to play in the Asian Cup qualifiers. Pfffft, that's loyalty for you. Mooy, Rogic, Sainsbury and Ryan would easily fitted in that so called golden generation group. Arzani will one day at least equal Kewell IMO. Viduka's hold up play was phenomenal and you know why they did well in 06? Because they were a bloody good team, this place is ridiculous some times. Viduka was overrated. A number 9 who can't score FFS. The bloke who put 4 past Liverpool? Dukes couldn't do it in international football, could he? 11 goals in 44 games, with a 25 % conversion rate from games played is underwhelming. Some of these 44 caps may have included Oceanian opposition too.
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+x+xThey were so good, that they couldn't qualify for a World Cup for 32 years! There's that dog whistle again. It is the truth. 32 years of senior WC failure is why a European powerhouse based NC was developed by FFA. The tenets used for the NC were predicated on the national team weaknesses identified by FIFA Tech Depts at underage WCs and unsuccessful senior WCQ campaigns.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMore “has beens” telling us how great the Olden days were. Yep - why would we want to listen to anyone who had actual knowledge of the players of that generation... Let's just dismiss what he's saying out of hand rather than address the fact that we actually had those players back then. That's problem those in the past generation are removed from the coaching scene of today. Almost all of those critics are not doing any junior coaching today? Many of them have been chased out because their methods don't match the FFA's guidelines... As a result we have teachers who are good at following guidelines showing kids how to play like robots, whilst characters who could actually play the game sit in the pub and gripe. It isn't simply a question of resources. Israel, New Zealand and Iran, probably had similar resources to us when they knocked us out of WCQ campaigns in the 32 years of failure. Oops, there it is again. And, as usual you cannot refute, or deconstruct the positions I've advanced, because they are based on fundamentally sound football premises.
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+x+xAnother thing that could be an issue is look how many different leagues we have people playing now. so many different leagues with different styles. At least when half your squad plays in England they are used to that style and may be a little more in sync with each other The ones where players seem to improve as international team players for Australia are the Eredivisie, Serie A (we currently have none), the Bundesliga and the EPL. They also seem to improve from playing J League and K League. Behich has improved from playing in Turkey. Germany, Holland, France and Spain use similar tactical methodology. I'd surmise Belgium and Portugal do too. Even though different from our general tactical approach , essentially being Reactive as opposed to Proactive, Serie A and Italian football adopt very sophisticated tactical methodology. It is another very good club football milieu for enhancing Aussie players' international skill sets. Given the awful football on show from most European teams (outside the powerhouses) in World Cups and European Champs, most are counterproductive as scenarios for enhancing Aussie players' qualities for playing international football. As a corollary, Rogic has improved with Celtic. This was particularly exemplified in his impressive WC games against Denmark and Peru. Unfortunately, he came up against the superb Kante against France. I think Kante was the best opposition player the Socceroos encountered in Russia.
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+xAnecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France... I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer. I'm pretty sure you aren't discussing professional football, QF.
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+x+xAnecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France... I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer. I'm pretty sure you aren't discussing professional football, QF. A bunch of those whom I'm discussing played football at a professional level.
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+xPersonally not a fan of the swedish style of bus parking long balling. Gets results but doesn't thrill me. With the NC is it regularly reviewed and if so how and by who? Nothing is above improvement and as this world cup shows football trends can change. The current problem with the FFA NC, is there is no designated, senior FFA TD. It is his/her job to head a committee or working group to review it. In 2010 it was based a lot on Spanish practices. Trends in football continue to evolve. Gallop and Lowy are consigning us to losing ground by failing to appoint a FFA TD.
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+x+x+xAnecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France... I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer. I'm pretty sure you aren't discussing professional football, QF. A bunch of those whom I'm discussing played football at a professional level. In the French and Swedish First Divisions?
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Also, pet bugbear of mine. When people say the word 'deconstruct', I think they mean 'unpack' an idea (or analytically break it down). Strictly speaking, 'deconstruct' does not mean that.
Deconstruct refers to Jacques Derrida's theory of deconstruction. That's something rather different.
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+x+x+x+xAnecdotally, having played non-competitive football with and against people from Sweden (some of whom have played Allsvenskan) and from France... I find the notion that Swedes are technically and tactically behind quite ridiculous. The ones I've known have been technically very, very good and able to read the game well. They're not a long way off the French I've known. The difference is essentially that France is a nation of 67m people, while Sweden is a nation of 10m people. So obviously they've got far better resources and can churn out spectacular footballer after spectacular footballer. I'm pretty sure you aren't discussing professional football, QF. A bunch of those whom I'm discussing played football at a professional level. In the French and Swedish First Divisions? Swedish first division (Allsvenskan), yes. Not sure any of the Frenchies played quite at Ligue 1 level, though. I'll add. A bunch of those who hadn't played Allvenskan or Suprettan were still technically very good footballers and plenty competent in terms of positioning, controlling tempo, etc. Basically, you've listed a heap of criteria. A bunch of those guys were very, very good there. As good as some of the best I've encountered in this country, for example.
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