I would have thought  it  is used in the context of 'refuting' an argument, step by step.

Fair comment.

Rogic has this quality too.

Well said.

That's often the intended meaning when people use the term. But I'd advise against using the term with that meaning given that deconstruction is entirely different and there's a hell of a lot of scholarship associated with Derrida's work.

Iirc, at uni the lecturers/tutors asked us not to say 'deconstruct' when we mean critically analyse the components of an idea/phenomenon.

There is a distinct difference between leagues that improve our players' skill sets for international football, and, those who don't.



One of the inherent  strengths of the FFA coaching methodology and NC, is that coaches all over the country are trained in the same way.

All of us who've undertaken semi-pro/pro coaching  courses under  FFA jurisdiction  have to have undertaken the following:

* Have  to prepare match analyses by one's self of  senior World Cup Games, EPL Games, La Liga Games - all with specific game problems pertinent to  teams. Then write the solution to the match problem up, culminating with carrying out the solutions  on the training track with real players and be appraised on one's coaching points to improve the problems identified .

* Have to prepare football solutions identified in live  games (  Young Matildas v Japan) from a defensive, or /and midfield, or /and attacking,  perspective as a group session for peer coaches to evaluate. 

* Have question and  answer sessions with HAL senior coaches and the whole coaching staff of clubs. If coaches don't ask questions, the FFA staff coaches fire specific questions at some diffident  coaches to keep them on their toes.

* Constantly undertake  monthly sessions for specific issues, such as Shielding The Ball.

* Have to perform some of these things at club or rep level for a  year or so, before undertaking the next course.

* One is encouraged to  formally attend sessions with NTC and national team coaches take sessions on the training track.

* If one undertakes rep coaching with state FFA teams at state FFA HQ, one  is constantly  scrutinised by NTC coaches of both genders, the state FFA TD, the state rep coaches,  state coach SAP,  plus NPL head coaches about to train their teams on  the same pitch after each session. All  state FFA coaches proffer opinions, all different, on things to improve sessions.  Pressure!


This is uniform across Australia.

All the other roaches who've undertaken FFA Advanced Education on 442 have done similar.

Ww are not isolated in remote areas of Australia  anymore. There is the same training ground practice occurring in Sydney,  Cairns, Darwin, Perth, Hobart and Bendigo.

In Rale's day, and Ron Smith's day, everybody could do what they liked. It was all different too. There was no uniform quality control.

Interesting.

I first viewed the term here when Benjamin challenged a few trolls to deconstruct a poster's post, and not attack him personally.

In this WC  the Swiss drew with Costa Rica - a very poor result,   using Eurosnobs' criteria that any North American team is inherently inferior to any European team.

They had a lucky, back to the wall, defend deep, partial press, draw against Brazil, where they were easily the worst team on the day - and any other. It was a game exemplifying a typical European plodder playing  Reactive football against a veritable, technically brilliant powerhouse playing Proactive football.

Some days they will nick a result - and they did.

Beating Serbia 2-1 is a good result. Serbia play some decent football and have a decent football education system.

Losing to  Sweden, a veritable European plodder, is a shocking result. I didn't see the game to view the balance of play.

I always thought that was what the word 'deconstruct' meant. It's only logical. But upon learning (albeit to a very limited extent) what deconstruction actually is,  I basically try to avoid saying it altogether.

Given that the word appears to fly around on this forum a lot, I thought this as good a moment as any to point out that the word, strictly speaking, has an entirely different meaning to what you'd think it means.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/derrida/

Rale Rasic waxes lyrical about Oscar Crino and Jim Patikas.

I saw them play Socceroo games, but often against some pretty weak opposition. I don't think they were anywhere near the calibre of  Arzani and Rogic as ball carrying and dribbling technicians though. Pertinently, we didn't ever see them play in tournament football against high calibre opposition.


Two players not alluded to were Paul Trimboli,  and, a player I didn't see, called Troy Halpin.  Many who know a bit about the game raved about the latter. Trimmers was a decent player, whose name doesn't get mentioned much.

Ta.

Italy lost to Sweden, Germany and Netherlands failed to qualify above them. What does that say about those teams how they failed against the awful plodders, who by the way actually do play good technical football too. Switzerland in recent years have become a very good team, constantly making the knockouts and always put up a good fight. They nearly took down Argentina in 2014, defeated Spain in 2010 among plenty other good results.

It is also hilarious how you are calling their performance against Brazil as lucky while lauding our performance against France when we showed even less intent. You are a hypocrite who has no information about any of these teams you keep talking about apart from 3rd hand information from a seminar you heard ages ago. You even mention yourself you don't watch the games, you clearly don't know any of the players or how these sides actually set up, yet you keep acting like you do.

You also mentioned how Russia just play sit deep and hoof the ball, you'd also have realised if you watched their match against Croatia or any match apart from against Spain that they actually took the game on and played some very nice football. 

surprisingly he played on the wing and didn't contribute much in terms of creativity until later in his career. At least thats true for the roos

he of course scored some pretty important goals

Dog whistling means giving a message which can only be heard by racists so you can plausible deny it. How does it make sense in this context?

He said "we used to have 20 Arzani's" not players that are just as good or better than Arzani. I wouldn't compare Cahill to Arzani as their skill sets are completely different. 

Paul Trimboli played three games for Rangers in i think 1989 and scored under Graeme Souness. He never signed full time as the likes of Mo Johnston, Mark Hateley and Ally McCoist amongst others were ahead of him. Decent player all the same.

I dont know what you are smoking we got wiped out by Peru the reason why it looked like we had more of the ball is because they were winning two nil and played defensive it is called game management. 

Though i dont agree with the whole 'we had all this talent now we dont' i do think the olden days did produce better players simply for the fact there was proper youth development with academies and a league with promotion and relegation. 

The FFA is better at running football as a business (sort of) but worse at running football as a quality product   

Freudian slip me thinks...

Cracking post

Juric 8 in 38
Nabboutt 1 in 8
MacLaren 0 in 8
Giannou 0 in 5

Tell me more about our players being better now than they were before...

The statement "we used to have 20 Arzani's in the past" is the headline, then that headline is click bait is WRONG we never had 20 Arzani's in the past.

But we had plenty of technically strong players in various positions in the recent past.

In fact we had more technically proficient players in the past than we have today.

For various reasons this has occurred, such as social, economic and cultural.

Are we not jumping at shadows here?

If we are rating the current Socceroos squad that played in Russia, a large number of them have not benefited from the SAP programme, in fact I’d hazard a guess only Arzani has come across it during his time with Vidmar at the AIS.

How about we wait for the 2022 cycle before we jump to conclusions about how technically proficient our players are.

The gap between closing down the NSL and starting up the A-League has a big impact on the development of the current squad.

The SAP program is not a panacea.

Preach Arthur, preach...

And to demonstrate your point about the blocks infront of young players here...  We constantly hear about all the foreign players in the EPL stopping English lads getting a game - but Trent Alexander-Arnold has played more first team games for Liverpool than Arzani has for Melbourne City; Marcus Rashford (only 3 months older than Arzani) has played 3 times as many games for Man Utd AND has only played 1 less for England than Arzani has for City...  If you're good enough there should always be an opportunity.  So long as we have a 10 team league, playing a 27 game season, and sitting around for a 4 month closed-season, we'll never develop.

I don't profess to have seen all games in any comp. Nevertheless, I've seen many European Champs and ECQs, European WCQs, as well as games in Russia.

In Sweden's game against England, I saw only one Swedish player receive and turn with outside of the foot - which achieved  wrong footing the English defender . The same player used outside of the foot whilst dribbling too. 

I only saw one Swedish player use the outside of the foot for passing in close confines. If the outside of  the foot is used in quick passing and moving sequences, there is a simultaneous fake, which wrongfoots opponents  at the time of the pass. 

It doesn't mean use the outside of the foot all the time, but interspersed with side of the foot, and shoelace passing, it creates better and less predictable passing sequences which is harder to intercept.

I also very rarely observed the Swedes pass in limited time and space. They lacked the technical qualities. They couldn't build up patiently through central midfield.

Again the powerhouses, have players use the outside of the foot  all the time. The plodders don't. For Croatia, players like Modric can pass over range with the outside of the foot too.

England , when playing Sweden had a superb ball carrier and dribbler in Sterling. They also had two excellent ball carrying and dribbling wingers and a decent number 10 with similar qualities. All these player use a lot of outside of the foot in 1v1 evasion skills - well.

The English CBs and DMs are also good passers and movers. They moved in triangles and diamonds to play out from the back. Who says what to whom and when has improved immeasurably for England in Ball Possession  in the back half and central midfield areas of  the pitch.

England have developed successful international football practices under Holland and Southgate - instead of until recently playing direct long ball dross. England can also maintain posses under pressure in the back half of the pitch and slow the game down, much better than before. They use rhythm changes, like traditional powerhouses.

Even plodders like us, have Rogic, Arzani, Mooy, Behich and Milligan who can  perform rapid-fire passing in tight spaces.

Whilst lauding our defensive performance against France, trying to stop them playing,  and castigating Switzerland's against Brazil, they are a very rich country,  who pour big money into football. It  it is also their main sport.

We are also a plodding country,  aspiring not to be one. There is an attempt to emulate powerhouses through improved training ground methodology and coach education. The fact we dictated terms more than our opponents, Peru and Denmark, where football is also the main sport, is  testament to something working well in Oz.

Ben, you recognise this, I recognise this, the PFA recognises this, world experience recognises this, the best coaches around the world recognises this.

Why aren't we doing this?

Why do we lack faith in our Youth?

ANSWERS

BAD CULTURE.

WEAK FOOTBALL CULTURE.

Decentric "We are also a plodding country,  aspiring not to be one. There is an attempt to emulate powerhouses through improved training ground methodology and coach education. The fact we dictated terms more than our opponents, Peru and Denmark, where football is also the main sport, is  testament to something working well in Oz. "

We are plodders because generally speaking we are FOOTBALL DUMB.
Berger said it when we he delivered Curriculum version 2.

We have weak Football Culture.

SAP isn't going to fix it.
The NC of itself isn't going to fix it.
The A-league isn't going to fix it.

We have our strategies wrong.
Only by;
Football Infrastructure invest, new and old
Affordable quality coaching education
Strong Football Clubs at all levels
Will we develop the FOOTBALL CULTURE to move forward                     

We are improving technical qualities in players- handling speed, 1v1 evasion skills, ball carrying. I remember a list compiled by Grazorblade. They were mainly short in stature - DDS, Caletti, Arzani, McGree, et al. Josh Hope is a bit taller.

One thing that is changing, is I've never seen so many muscular players in international football in Russia, even in the upper body.

Socceroos are starting to look puny compared to most opposition at the WC, particularly the Northern European and Eastern European countries. We must not neglect body on body physicality and strength, which has previously been one recognised quality in our players by FIFA Tech Depts.

that's what im thinking.  he had a good half of a season.  that's it.   people are just starved of flair in the aus ranks. 

he certainly has not done enough to even get a sniff of the NT in the GG.  the kid needs a couple seasons of consistent performance at a decent level before we can really know where he is at.


you think of players like robbie kruse and what they were like before they left aus.  has arzani done any more that robbie kruse, no, but he is a lot younger.  i dont think robbie kruse would have stood out in the gg - maybe a flash when he peaked. 

Berger said that some years ago.

We are improving in game sense, and have improved immeasurably since Berger made that comment.

It  is no coincidence BVM, Mark VB, et al, found the Socceroos easy to coach - better tactically coached players with better football education equals better game sense.

If some of Rale's and Ron Smith's prodigies, Crino, Patikas, et al, played in the current Socceroos, they would lack the game sense to carry out  sophisticated tactical plans.