you put any decent striker on the end of balls that Mooy consistently delivers he gets 2-3 assists a game... you put him in a team with world class players around him, not some championship fodders! the guy will look like Pirlo.. I'm telling you...

We can still get Dukes and/or (yeah don't laugh) Archie Thompson for that, I suppose

How about instead of running football like a business in which every player and potential youth star player and coach is simply an opportunity for maximum profit, and instead focus on getting as many people playing at as high a level as possible? Do that and the excitment will follow

@Arthur agree what your saying, the more I think about it the more the issue is our football eco structure is holding us back for doing much more.

Which is why we need to move to the worlds best practice as soon as we can otherwise everything else that goes with it underneath senior level like the NC, or any elite program or things happening at grassroots will mean nothing.

1) Set up the congress and make it exclusive as much it can be (also think Gallop has to go and when we need a big picture minded CEO to run our game) and we need an overall plan to win the World Cup in the future so everyone can put there resources and work towards reaching this goal one day
2) The a-league to become independent and allow these franchises to become clubs and let them run there own race
3) Create 2nd Division and make it similar to the independent a-league again let them run like clubs
4) Create Pro Rel from the a-league and ultimately to the NPL level
5) Introduce transfer system and loan system from a-league to the NPL encourage clubs to invest in youth and produce better players
6) Create standards for technical direction and youth development I.e. rating system from a-league, NPL to SAP level

For grassroots improvement to work on:


7) more facilities and work towards creating a cage football culture as this outlet is far better and more effective than finding more pitches this could be a game changer with regards to facility issue this will mimic the street culture of past years.
8) raise the notch on SAP, futsal and small sided games, make it about 1v1 as much as we can given we lack the street culture and put technical level at an even higher priority

I’m sure there is more to be done I believe Australian football can into the next level if the suits believe so.

Standards, good planning and structures are the key for me.

When football is run as a business and not what is best for the development of the sport in mirroring world standards this what we got as a result.

It's not all doom and gloom.  Germany, with all the talent at their disposal, went goal-less in 2 out of 3 games.  So yeah, finishing is a problem but we're not the lone rangers.

or like iniesta imo

It's funny how it's always someone else's fault.

Why don't the NPL clubs and lower do what ever they have to do to generate the quality players. The A-League does not prevent from doing so.

Correct.

We need to improve the base level of game at all levels, grassroots is the key, football culture is the way.

@Barca4Life
I'm glad you see what I'm trying to get across and your ideas have lots of merit.

What we need to do is KISS keep it simple.

A simple strategy for everyone to in the game follow, that has multiplier benefits;

Infrastructure: update the old and provide new infrastructure
Core issues Boutique stadiums around the country
Facilities to keep participations rates in the battle for the future
Facilities to develop our game and footballers 365 days a year all levels.

Affordable Coaching education:
Do I have to say more? Better Coaches Better Football all levels.

Strong Clubs:
Financially strong Clubs with supportive infrastructure will develop the future generations.
Future generations will be better educated in technique and tactics, fully aware and appreciative of what football is about.
Clubs with aspirations and goals, resourced and focused on their members.
Leads to more supporters of the game, more progress in development of individuals, better football, more enjoyable experiences.

I'm sure many can add to it.

Everything else will fall into line and we as a Football Nation will find our place in the World and our Nation.

This is an interesting point. 'Old soccer' complains all day about being shunned and left out in the cold by FFA and the A-League; but with all the expertise and knowledge that they possess, why aren't they still the production line for world class players they will have you believe they used to be, albeit in the NPL?

On a serious note, can anyone provide more concrete details about what happened to the resources of the old NSL clubs when the A-League founded?

he had a good but brief run at the WC.  i wouldn't call it conclusive.  i wouldn't say he delivered.

there is clearly a lot of potential. but it needs to be more than potential. and it needs to be consistently over an extended period of time.

Has anyone been able to name the 20Arzanis yet?

Then you both don't understand how our Ecosystem works! The regulations created by the FFA to create that ecosystem.
NPL Participation Licences
Player Point Systems
Coach Licence Costs
Player Compensation System
Football Club Pyramid System
Closed Shop System
Governance Systems
Infrstructure Deficet Issues
Seasonal restrictions
Transitional Youth to Senior issues

Most of those have no restrictive regulation imposed by the FFA for NPL and lower. Get on with it and do all the things you assert will make football boom when it failed before under the guidance of insular clubs.

Stop wanting promotion as a money grab.

Your assertions are false.

Our youth development systems have been producing quality players up to the age of 16 that would not be out of place in Europe.
While that quality can be improved there's no doubt, structural changes at this level will improve players.

Currently a problem we lack is the Football  Infrastructure and Platforms to transition more players of quality into the Adult playing pool.
Hence why I say to young people with aspirations of professional football you must leave Australia, history shows that for many Australians this is a familiar pathway.

There exists insurmountable player roadblocks and player wastage examples that make the next level a risky proposition.
These need to be addressed, in particular by incentive, for the Club and the player/parent to minimize risk in the transformation process.

Even if they were 30 min stint cameos, to play as well as he did against the calibre of opposition was very impressive. 

What league he plays in to me is irrelevant. He has already proved himself against the best there is - including the current WC finalist. France is far tougher opposition than just about any current club team.

No.

Fair comment.

Russia were better against Croatia.

Disagree withthsi , Arthur.

BVM's team were defensively better. 

BVM's team had as much territory and possession as Ange's roo.

Ange was a good coach form Brazil to just after the Asian Cup. He was a good tournament coach, but not as good a WCQing coach.

He showed promise and i have very high hopes but you need a bit of perspective. Against France he really didn't do that much, Denmark he was very good in his cameo but still wasted his best chance and against Peru he didn't really threaten them that much either. This is all with the advantage of running at tired defenders, being a complete unknown and with no one knowing what tricks he has or how he likes to play.

He looked better than he really was because he replaced Kruse who was absolutely abysmal going forward this world cup, so some directness was a bit of fresh air.

Development systems
More infrastructure
Incentives
Etc Etc

Can be provided by those who think you can run a league with 4000 with the whiff of oily rag and lots of traditional kulcha!

LOL. Don't believe the old dinosaurs.

The highest skillset of the past belonged to Oscar Crino (playing the ball along the ground with smart passing from the outside of his foot were his strong points) and believe me  he was still half the player Rogic or Mooy is.

He hasnt actually done anything yet so who is he to be discussed anyway?

Get excited if he could come close to Viduka's awards when 18 & 19
- NSL Top Goalscorer: 1993–94, 1994–95
- NSL U21 Player of the Year: 1993–94, 1994–95
- Johnny Warren Medal: 1993–94, 1994–95

Unfortunately, due to the wasteland that is Australian youth development at the moment, people get highly excited about a 19YO whos scored 2 goals in 24 appearances for MC. Get a grip people, wait until he actually does something.

That comment just says it all about you Paulc, I feel sorry you see it that way but it each to their own.

I couldn't name 20 Arzanis, but I could name 20 other players in that 2006 squad, all who have achieved more at club level and contributed more at International level than Arzani has.

I'm not saying that Arzani will not be a great player... but he's still a kid, and we can have this conversation in 2 years time. Or if he gets some full games at the Asian Cup, we'll get to see how good he really is.   Too soon to tell now.    having an Arzani developing his skills and matureing is good, but we once had Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Aloisi, Cahill, Culina, that was the attack power that we once had.    I think that could be what they were referring to, when they said "we used to have 20 Arzani's " ?     not sure.

Generalizations does not make you comment clear or correct. Are you doubting I knew Oscar Crino's talents?

so some here take the headline literally, you are seriously smug bastards arn't youse.
I'm appalled that there is the divide amongst supporters let alone our pathetic excuse of a national system for Snrs/Jnrs run by a corporate that I see disrespect to the early days, the middle, the GG and Arzani would sweep most.
GTFO, seriously.
Comparing part timers/amateurs who probably played better than most here anyway to the GG this GG that seriously some of you are smug arseholes. WTF have you done on the playing pitch ? nothing I would imagine.
Decentric whistling the systematic POV is the be all end all, 26yrs or whatever never making it, love to see you saying that in front of some ex players who worked their guts out on shoe string budgets/part time jobs etc - Abonyi/Richards/Alston or better still if JW was still with us/Baartzy, and more -  I would expect you would have more sense/respect than that D.
Every paper/doc/stat does not breed champion players but provide knowledge, they need to do it on the pitch and whatever people think comparing current to past players who we are up against at NT with all this knowledge/expertise they are still not good enough, period...just as in the past barring exceptions.
The stats say last last 2 WC's, no matter how much better our BP/BPO is, no matter how good Rogic/Mooy is they are NOT good enough who we face right now, who has scored of late ?, who has broke the last line of late ?, thems the facts right for what does the scoreboard show ?! zip and thats what counts in your stats.
We now have better passer's than 10yrs ago, 20yrs ago,30yrs ago - yep they can pass the ball well compared to say Bres/Zelic/Culina's etcetc but mostly backwards lol.......great stats.
but we competed - when hasn't an Aussie team not competed, your wearing the shirt.
Can't score a goal from open play for how long but for pens but our BPO/BO is great :) you rippa.
Jesus, were doing so well, you guys are in lalaland no wonder Arzani is the panadol over all this pain.
Breath of fresh air absolutely but he ain't no where as shown by AJF re Dukes, HK another but great to see after all these other sos and so players who just arn't delivering.
paulc, < echo Arthur's post, shame shame but everyone here has an opinion just as I'm doing now.

So what do we really have to look forward to in the coming future right now ? Arzani, Sains, Mooy - well if only his depth pass's were more forward, heck lets persist for a change and have him fly the ball like we know he can for a forward to run onto for his head or behind the line instead of back and back and back,  Rogic, I'm waiting on him being he's so good now we keep being told to actually do it game in game out, ok at least one game on one game off to experience such highs then a low :)
Hopefully Luongo gets some runs on the board - there is hope.
Behich.
Nabbout - worth persisting with.
Petratos - absolutely.
Mac - yes.
Ryan - yes I suppose.
The rest not mentioned pretty much whatever, especially Leckie/Kruse, done enough time to say, "goodbyyeeee" in Sound of Music theme :)
The headline is wrong but some play it eh, we all have watched far better Roo teams than this full stop....and we keep wondering whats coming through the ranks, yer we wait for '22 with bated breath.
 
 

 

Im not sure if i agree with the above post or not. Too poorly structured to decipher 

He won the Harry Kewell medal at 19, its an U23 award... so do our attacking midfielders now need to be topping goal scoring charts? is this why we aren't developing strikers? lol

Agreed.....He still has it all to do, but I think he has huge potential, my biggest fear is he will become another
Kaz Patafta which seems to happen far to often with young aus talent.