'We used to have 20 Arzanis' [Comments]


'We used to have 20 Arzanis' [Comments]

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Threezero4 - 11 Jul 2018 7:19 PM
AJF - 11 Jul 2018 1:22 PM

Agreed.....He still has it all to do, but I think he has huge potential, my biggest fear is he will become another
Kaz Patafta which seems to happen far to often with young aus talent. 

In 5 games, Arzani proved to be head and shoulders above the level Kaz Patafta reached in about 40. 

Kaz Patafta was just not very good. 
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One big factor that many on here seem to miss is a genetic one. 

All skills reside in the human brain.

Further to that point, the ability to acquire complex skills requires a high functioning working memory and it is unquestionably heritable. 

Now, i'm not calling for the FFA to do some standardised IQ test, but this is an important factor to consider.

No amount of training, 10,000 hours with the ball or so forth is going to change the fact that some players have "it" and others don't.  
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LFC. - 11 Jul 2018 3:29 PM

Decentric whistling the systematic POV is the be all end all, 26yrs or whatever never making it, love to see you saying that in front of some ex players who worked their guts out on shoe string budgets/part time jobs etc - Abonyi/Richards/Alston or better still if JW was still with us/Baartzy, and more -  I would expect you would have more sense/respect than that D.



It is not players like Crino and Patikas who are being criticised, but coaches like Rale Rasic and Ron Smith who fell aggrieved they are being ignored by the media and the Aussie football milieu in general.  

Of course if they advance players being better than some current players, there will be comparisons made. The old players, like Crino and Patikas, did the best they could.

However, there is a also a smug generation  of former players, who refuse to do the FFA Advanced Coaching badges. They criticise the state of the current game at every opportunity.  Football Lover recommend they  get their tracksuits on, do their coaching badges  and join the rest of us at the coaching coalface. 

 We need Ned Zelic, Craig Johnstone, Robbie Slater and Mark Bosnich, to undertake the FFA Advanced coaching courses, like plebs like me and the rest do, and contribute to the future of Aussie players. Instead they snipe from the sidelines, and whinge.

 Former Aussie pros and Socceroos, Craig Foster, David, Zdrilic, the Aloisi brothers, Arnie, Ange, Craig Moore, Muscat, Popa, Corica, Ante Milicic, Kalaz, Rudan, Damian Mori, the Vidmar brothers, Paul Okon, Alex Tobin, Gareth Edds, Ayton Genc, even Harry Kewell, et al, are putting in their time undertaking advanced  coaching badges and making a contribution  developing the next generation of players on the training track. 


There are also many views expressed by members of 442 who pass judgment from the sidelines - often watching their own kids.

Why not get involved yourselves, as Football Lover has suggested? We need all the coaches we can get  in Australia- not whingers sniping from  the sidelines. Or if anyone wants to make pronouncements, do it from an informed point of view by having undertaken Advanced Coach Ed.

  
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Total Football - 11 Jul 2018 9:28 PM
Threezero4 - 11 Jul 2018 7:19 PM

In 5 games, Arzani proved to be head and shoulders above the level Kaz Patafta reached in about 40. 

Kaz Patafta was just not very good. 

Arzani has already performed quite well in cameos at the WC.

Kaz was brilliant at 16, but inexplicably faded out. This happens to many star players at youth World Cups.
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Benjamin - 6 Jul 2018 4:22 PM
Waz - 6 Jul 2018 2:45 PM

Yep - why would we want to listen to anyone who had actual knowledge of the players of that generation...  Let's just dismiss what he's saying out of hand rather than address the fact that we actually had those players back then.

Benjamin, why don't you don the tracksuit, do some coaching badges and coach?
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Arthur - 10 Jul 2018 2:38 PM
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Correct.

We need to improve the base level of game at all levels, grassroots is the key, football culture is the way.

Are you currently coaching, Arthur?

You are an accredited FFA coach.
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socceroo_06 - 11 Jul 2018 10:01 PM
 

No amount of training, 10,000 hours with the ball or so forth is going to change the fact that some players have "it" and others don't.  

True.

Not much fun to aspire to be a pro, do the 10 000 hours and then not be deemed good enough!
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Why would anyone listen to Rasic, it's not like he's actually achieved anything, especially compared the accomplishments of the "experts" on here....

Rale Rasic OAM - Coach - Football (Soccer)
Rale Rasic has a unique position in Australian soccer having been the first coach to take Australia to the finals of the World Cup in West Germany 1974. Rasic coached Australia in 58 international matches from 1970 to 1974.

Rasic immigrated to Australia in 1962, but returned to Yugoslavia after 18 months to serve in the army. His obligations met, Rasic returned to Australia, and played football in the Victorian league. He revolutionised the game in Australia, was appointed national coach in 1970 at just 26 years of age, masterminded Australia's qualification and participation at the 1974 FIFA World Cup.

After a disappointing performance at the World Cup, the Australian Soccer Federation dumped him as national coach, replacing him with Englishman Brian Green (who later fled the country after he was caught shoplifting). Rasic believes that he was dumped because he was not seen as being a real "Aussie". Rasic stated, "They took from me something that I was doing better than anyone else. I was a true-blue Aussie and nobody can deny that. I taught the players how to sing the national anthem". These days, as the first coach to take Australia to the World Cup finals, Rasic is widely respected in Australian football.

A massive lobby for Rasic to return as Australia's World Cup coach for 1979 began early in 1978 but never eventuated because Rasic made crystal clear his terms: complete and utter control and absolutely no interference from the Australian Soccer Federation. The ASF would never give a coach the job under those circumstances and conditions.

Rasic's first coaching job was in Footscray followed by Melbourne HSC, St. George Budapest, Marconi, and Pan Hellenic. In 1967 he coached Footscray to the Victorian championship and from 1968 to 1970 he was the Victorian senior state coach. In 1970 he coached the Victorian youth team to win the national championships and in 1971 coached St. George to win the NSW grand final and Tokyo International Tournament. He coached Marconi to the Australian championships in 1972 and to the NSW grand final in 1973. In 1979 he coached Adelaide to win the NSL Cup final. From 1986 to 1988 his teams won the national championships and the NSL Cup final.

In 1974 Rasic was listed among the top 35 coaches in the world by German Soccer expert Fritz Hack, and in 1977 and 1987 he was voted the national league coach of the year. He was a television presenter on SBS, during the Australian network's 2006 FIFA World Cup coverage.

In 2004 Rasic was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for his service to soccer as a player, coach and administrator.









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You could have just posted a link to Rale Rasic’s Wikipedia page mate.
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socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 8:46 AM
You could have just posted a link to Rale Rasic’s Wikipedia page mate.

Yeah, but many on here come from a milieu that has difficulty clicking on links








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New Signing - 11 Jul 2018 4:48 PM
Im not sure if i agree with the above post or not. Too poorly structured to decipher 

I know my mind was going all over the shop as I typed in anger but thanks for your kind words, not.
Next time I'll type out in bullet form for you.


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AJF - 12 Jul 2018 8:13 AM
Why would anyone listen to Rasic, it's not like he's actually achieved anything, especially compared the accomplishments of the "experts" on here....

Rale Rasic OAM - Coach - Football (Soccer)
Rale Rasic has a unique position in Australian soccer having been the first coach to take Australia to the finals of the World Cup in West Germany 1974. Rasic coached Australia in 58 international matches from 1970 to 1974.

Rasic immigrated to Australia in 1962, but returned to Yugoslavia after 18 months to serve in the army. His obligations met, Rasic returned to Australia, and played football in the Victorian league. He revolutionised the game in Australia, was appointed national coach in 1970 at just 26 years of age, masterminded Australia's qualification and participation at the 1974 FIFA World Cup.

After a disappointing performance at the World Cup, the Australian Soccer Federation dumped him as national coach, replacing him with Englishman Brian Green (who later fled the country after he was caught shoplifting). Rasic believes that he was dumped because he was not seen as being a real "Aussie". Rasic stated, "They took from me something that I was doing better than anyone else. I was a true-blue Aussie and nobody can deny that. I taught the players how to sing the national anthem". These days, as the first coach to take Australia to the World Cup finals, Rasic is widely respected in Australian football.

A massive lobby for Rasic to return as Australia's World Cup coach for 1979 began early in 1978 but never eventuated because Rasic made crystal clear his terms: complete and utter control and absolutely no interference from the Australian Soccer Federation. The ASF would never give a coach the job under those circumstances and conditions.

Rasic's first coaching job was in Footscray followed by Melbourne HSC, St. George Budapest, Marconi, and Pan Hellenic. In 1967 he coached Footscray to the Victorian championship and from 1968 to 1970 he was the Victorian senior state coach. In 1970 he coached the Victorian youth team to win the national championships and in 1971 coached St. George to win the NSW grand final and Tokyo International Tournament. He coached Marconi to the Australian championships in 1972 and to the NSW grand final in 1973. In 1979 he coached Adelaide to win the NSL Cup final. From 1986 to 1988 his teams won the national championships and the NSL Cup final.

In 1974 Rasic was listed among the top 35 coaches in the world by German Soccer expert Fritz Hack, and in 1977 and 1987 he was voted the national league coach of the year. He was a television presenter on SBS, during the Australian network's 2006 FIFA World Cup coverage.

In 2004 Rasic was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for his service to soccer as a player, coach and administrator.

Rasic was reasonable coach at the time. Instilled high level of discipline and favoured defense. His modus operandi was that we will never beat a decent international side so lets just keep the score reasonable. Same defensive attitude followed by coaches like Thompson.

Arok was the first NT coach that made the players believe in themselves and take it to the opposition.

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