FFA Congress Review Working Group Thread


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Okay so swap FFA Vote and add in 1 vote for Coaches per division linked to the top tier
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That works. Although there’s lots of organising needed to get these votes functional, but that’s just more evidence of the FFAs incompetence as it could have been sorted by now.
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Not incompetence. Just figuring out how to stack the deck with the least amount of people.
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AS waz has mentioned earlier, FFA is or should not get a vote.

The stakeholders, elect the board. Or the stakeholders will elect the FFA board.

The object is, to have a wide spread of stakeholders, with no single group having the voting power to dominate the board.

Stakeholders would include but not restricted to, the A-League Clubs, W-League Clubs, PFA, State Feds, Refs, NPL Clubs, Coaches, and so on and so on add more stakeholder groups.
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What’s required is a top to bottom reform. The states have been complicit in allowing the Lowe’s free reign over football and give QLD say 4 votes instead of 1 and, without reform, they’ll just abuse it.

But more votes in the states is part of the answer - QLD has ten divisions (I think) that make up FQ so why not give them all a vote? Or a vote for every area that has 10,000+ registered players (Football Brisbane, Football West etc ...) and then one for the rest?

There are ways to do this but it’s all about getting the right behaviours and not allowing the vested self interests of the past 50 years continue
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Waz - 25 Jul 2018 7:10 AM
What’s required is a top to bottom reform. The states have been complicit in allowing the Lowe’s free reign over football and give QLD say 4 votes instead of 1 and, without reform, they’ll just abuse it. But more votes in the states is part of the answer - QLD has ten divisions (I think) that make up FQ so why not give them all a vote? Or a vote for every area that has 10,000+ registered players (Football Brisbane, Football West etc ...) and then one for the rest? There are ways to do this but it’s all about getting the right behaviours and not allowing the vested self interests of the past 50 years continue

FNSW has 34 District Associations and 9 of them have more than 10k registered players with another 4 over 9k and growing at about 2% that will get to 10k within 6 years.  While giving memberships/votes to strong football regions is a good idea both methods you suggest would result in the FNSW area getting an excessive number of memberships/votes and with the second method nearly all the memberships/votes representing football in the capital cities.

Crawford gave memberships/votes on a sliding scale and while I can't remember the exact split it was something like each state/territory Fed gets 1 plus an additional 1 for greater than 50k registered players and another one for greater than 100k and another for greater than 200k.  This would result in a split of memberships/votes as listed below:-

FNSW - 4
FQld - 2
FFV - 2
NNSWF - 2
FW - 1
FFSA - 1
CF - 1
FFT - 1
FNT - 1

Although I think the sliding scale method is better because it doesn't distort things excessively it still has the inherent weakness that each states votes are tied in a block by their "head office" view rather than representing the differing interests within each Fed and it doesn't have the ability to represent the women's game that accounts for 20%+ of the registered players across the country.


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We are down to  1 day till "Presentation Day"
The working committee, present to FIFA by 31 July their recommendations.

How will the FIFA take it?
How will FFA Take it?

Clear Contact There

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Jack Reilly on the way ahead

Jack Reilly says 'public opinion' has a better understanding of where the game should be heading than the current FFA Board

25 July 2018 | Roger Sleeman

http://footballtoday.news/features/jack-reilly-on-the-way-ahead

When former Socceroo goalkeeper, Jack Reilly, received his marching orders from the FFA Board in an email from former chairman Frank Lowy in June 2013, it was with a sense of trepidation and severe disappointment that he had been denied his ambition to secure the future of the game.

Like many former players who have been shunned by the administration, Reilly gravitated away from the game, but in recent times his conscience reminded him it needed rapid reform and overhaul.

With plunging interest in the A-League, the loss of market share to Big Bash cricket in the summer and another World Cup failure to get past the group stage, Jack Reilly wants to take the game to the people to gain concensus about the direction it should take.

The man who worked as a stockbroker with J.B.Were and Capel Court, chaired the Council of Authorised Money Market Dealers which liases with the Reserve Bank on national liquidity, and acted as an adviser to Jeff Kennett, Paul Keating and John Howard on economic policy, is now ready to lead change in Australian football.

Roger Sleeman

In the midst of a wonderful World Cup in Russia, Australian football still pursued a path of self – destruction with the announcement of levy increases for amateur players. Your comment?

Jack Reilly

Unfortunately, there are still many people with self- interest making these decisions and a matter so important should’ve been open to debate from all parties to decide if an increase in the levies was justified.

The sad fact is, the grass roots are compensating for the $3.6 billion spent on the A-League since its inception and the resultant $310 million lost by the A- League clubs.

Critically, monies are being scattered in the wrong directions.

Sleeman

What was your take on the statement issued earlier this month (on 6 July) defending the decision to raise the levies?

Reilly

Due to the precarious financial position of the FFA, the increase in levies was an easy option. However, the FFA is the end beneficiary and as the governing body, they should ensure monies are being used in the right manner.

Sleeman

If the FFA is financially hamstrung, how can it justify the employment of 105 full time employees and at least 38 support staff* in Russia during the World Cup?

Reilly

From the time I sat on the FFA Board in 2007, till the time I departed in mid-2013, I queried when there would be a total review of the organisational structure and expenditure commitments. 

On the day I left, it still hadn’t happened. The problem remains, the management is not accountable on or off the field. 

Sleeman

Since the FFA commenced operations, there have  been a succession of well-meaning CEOs who had little or no background in our sport. Would other major sports in our country contemplate such a process?

Reilly

All of those people had capability in their own right but the major problem is, there has never been a sufficient spread of talents and skills at the FFA.

Football and business skills are needed to maximise the outcomes required taking the game forward and these are issues which have to be addressed.

Also, none of these CEOs received the correct instructions, and in the case of Ben Buckley who employed Peter Hargitay to mastermind the World Cup Bid, it has to be questioned whether there was any consultation on this matter or just a directive from above.

Furthermore, when I was on the Board, I was part of a Football Development Committee but nothing ever happened.

Sleeman

The FFA Board, with the exception of Steven Lowy and Danny Moulis, is made up of people who have no history, culture or experience in football matters.

There are many former players who have reached great heights in business, for example, Glen Sterrey who leads 100 employees in the financial planning section of a leading professional accounting firm and Gary Marocchi  who is a highly credentialled structural engineer and principal of a successful business, who would be honoured to serve on the Board. Why aren’t they being considered?

Reilly

There’s simply a protectionist system in place and although the current Board members have good business skills, the question is, how did they get to the positions?

A group of people is needed on the Board who will put a strategy in place, listen to everybody, implement actions and get on with the game.

Nevertheless, there is room for the business professional and former playing professional to serve on the Board.

Sleeman

What is your view of Steven Lowy’s performance as chairman of FFA?

Reilly

We’re now more than two and half years on since the new Board was enacted, but we also have a Congress consisting of eight people representing four different interest groups.

The current Board has still failed to review the last 13 years of the A-League and to answer your original question, there is simply no plan in place.

Sleeman

In view of the FIFA interest in the FFA Congress, can the current Board be returned after the November elections?

Reilly

Whether the current Board members will be retained is an unknown at this point in time.

Sleeman

Will the FFA take the necessary steps to ensure corporate governance in Australian football is transparent and all stakeholders are allowed to contribute to the wellbeing of the game?

Reilly

After David Gallop had been in the job for eight weeks, he submitted a 14-page document at a Board meeting on corporate governance, because at the time, he was the Deputy Chairman of the Australian Sports Commission. He asked the Board members to bring comments back to the next meeting so I made mine on my copy.

At the next meeting, the paper wasn’t on the agenda and when I asked why, I was told all discussion had been stopped.

I brought this to the attention of the Chairman of the Sports Commission who informed me we had received 2/5 for corporate governance yet the Chairman of the FFA refused to do anything about it.

Sleeman

What is your evaluation of the PFA’s performance in advancing the game?

Reilly

Diabolical!!

Players in Australia are pitched to be ultra-special and they are far from that.

Look at the rewards the Socceroos have received which are far too much for their talent. If they’re earning big money with their clubs, they should be playing for their country for nothing.

Think of the parents who are paying between $1,000 and $3,000 for their kids to play elite football yet money is being expended at the top level like it’s gone out of style.

I’ve no problem with an incentive system where players would receive bonuses after progressing through each phase of a tournament but suffice to say, I received $1,700 for playing in the 1974 World Cup.  

Sleeman

You have made many recommendations, especially when you were on the Board, as to the path which should be followed to maximise success at youth level. What is wrong with our youth development and national team programs?

Reilly

After the Mexico U-17 World Cup in 2011, as the head of the Delegation from the FFA, I wrote a brutal report to the Board about our poor performance.

I sought feedback from the other Board members and they claimed they hadn’t seen the report. I rang CEO, Ben Buckley, and asked where my report was and he replied he wouldn’t be distributing it. I asked why and he replied it would set a precedent.

This proved there was a total lack of accountability which continues today.

There should be a six monthly review of all coaching programs and personnel and in selecting coaches we have to improve our methodology in appointing people, rather than providing 'jobs for the boys'.

Also, we must open up opportunities for young players to play at the highest level and the case in point was the introduction of Colosimo, Bresciano and Grella when I was involved at Carlton in the National Soccer League.

Sleeman

A few weeks ago, I ventured into the booming Marconi licensed club which now has 50,000 members and is an A- League club waiting to happen. Why hasn’t the FFA explored possibilities like this, rather than accepting bid tenders, many of which have been made by clubs who don’t exist or don’t have a stadium facility?

Reilly

The FFA appears to have vilified the ethnic communities because they have failed to maximise their true value. We simply haven’t had the administration which could build on their past record and huge potential.

Some of the parties bidding for a licence aren’t aware of the real cost whereas clubs like Marconi and  South Melbourne have a phenomenal background and financial base so we should be building on them, not destroying them. 

Sleeman

In view of the current state of the game, would you consider standing for the Board again, and if successful nominate for Chairman?

Reilly

If the people on the FFA Board were willing to recognise public opinion as to where the game should be heading and be held accountable to deliver, I would certainly put my name forward.

Sleeman

If you were successful, how would you unite the former players so they could claim their rightful place in our football landscape?

Reilly

After I left the Board in 2013, I gave a 32-page submission to them for improving the game. I included a comprehensive review of the A-League as a major priority but no action was taken.

I gave the current Board a 12-page overview and never received an answer.

I speak to former players all the time and they want to make constructive contributions but are ignored by the powers that be.

As a former Socceroo, I say it’s now time to listen to their voices and let them assist this game reach its full potential. 





Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Great read and some very interesting points made by Reilly.  

Not so sure about South and Marconi being the way forward for the HAL, but many of his other suggestions/observations seem spot on.
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Think of how much money Marconi club actually makes in a year. They could be amongst the top financed clubbed in an uncapped league..

They could base themselves from Marconi stadium redeveloped and modernised. Call themselves south west, or Fairfield City / Fairfield Stallions whatever they call themselves.

They would have a top grade youth teams setup from u6 to u21 as they have for decades now.


But these clubs won’t be back in the top tier until promotion and relegation is put in place with a scrapped cap
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RBB Wanderer - 30 Jul 2018 6:18 PM
Think of how much money Marconi club actually makes in a year. They could be amongst the top financed clubbed in an uncapped league..They could base themselves from Marconi stadium redeveloped and modernised. Call themselves south west, or Fairfield City / Fairfield Stallions whatever they call themselves. They would have a top grade youth teams setup from u6 to u21 as they have for decades now.But these clubs won’t be back in the top tier until promotion and relegation is put in place with a scrapped cap

Turnover in 2017 was $45m and profit before tax was $3.3m.
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How much of that would be gaming revenue? Do you have segmented financials?

Also, how much does MV, SFC or WSW turnover? I'd imaging a similar amount?
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Burztur - 30 Jul 2018 10:55 PM
How much of that would be gaming revenue? Do you have segmented financials?Also, how much does MV, SFC or WSW turnover? I'd imaging a similar amount?

Club Marconi Annual Report 2017:
https://www.clubmarconi.com.au/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2017/09/Club-Marconi-2017-AnnualReport.pdf

MV turnover is about $20m and SFC is just behind them.  I'm not sure what WSW turnover is now.
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Doesn't segment it but I'd imagine the lions share of the 36m from the 45m is gaming.
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Rumour that Griffin is leaking.

Expect anonymous reporting about "evil FFA intentions" inbound.

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So according to reports the FFA are trying a last ditch attempt to derail this process.

Still beleive the recommendations are going to be submitted by close of business.
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Vince Rugari reports on the News site. I have copied some bits, sounds encouraging .

full article https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/ffas-congress-review-deadline-arrives/news-story/a28b77ca206f831f625dd33e87bda28a

AAP understands the working group has reached agreement over the contents of the report it will submit to FIFA and will conduct a final vote on Tuesday - however, FFA is believed to be making last-ditch attempts to derail the process

It’s anticipated the group will also push for the A-League to be run independently of FFA – a recommendation of the Crawford Report in 2003 that was not enforced when Lowy came to power.

FIFA has directed its findings be adopted at an FFA special general meeting by September 7



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Burztur - 31 Jul 2018 12:15 AM
Doesn't segment it but I'd imagine the lions share of the 36m from the 45m is gaming.

is it worse than making money from gambling ads?

 




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Midfielder - 31 Jul 2018 9:00 AM

FFA is believed to be making last-ditch attempts to derail the process




wtf is their problem? 

 




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sbs. word for word. thanks aap. 

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/deadline-day-arrives-for-ffa-in-governance-crisis


 




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wtf is their problem? 

It would have to be S.Lowy wouldn't it? He knows as soon as the voting process becomes somewhat democratic.... he's done for. The ultimate shit truck!
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YES change is coming! 
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It makes you wonder what possible last ditch FFA action could possibly take to derail the process.Apart from issuing threats and instructing it's state minions to vote against change in a scorched earth style retreat,they can't possibly have anything constructive to put forward on the very last day.
If change does come,i look forward to the press conference where Gallop and Lowy sit there like lame ducks.
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Fuck the FFA. 
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inala brah - 31 Jul 2018 9:43 AM

It's also up on The Guardian, at least it is getting a bit of coverage, I guess.


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crimsoncrusoe - 31 Jul 2018 10:08 AM
It makes you wonder what possible last ditch FFA action could possibly take to derail the process.Apart from issuing threats and instructing it's state minions to vote against change in a scorched earth style retreat,they can't possibly have anything constructive to put forward on the very last day.If change does come,i look forward to the press conference where Gallop and Lowy sit there like lame ducks.

Which straight away makes you wonder who came up with the story.  No quotes, nothing.  So it's either completely fabricated or somebody is getting a conspiracy theory ready to undermine the outcomes.

Madame Chair seems to have been on top of the shenanigans ...so far.
Will pull up a pew and watch. 

The one guaranteed outcome is that there will be massive meltdowns all over the place because people have worked themselves into a frenzy of expectations.  When those expectations aren't met or perhaps even dealt with at any level, then the howls of anguish and "we wuz robbed" will cry out all over.  Pitchforks and torches anybody?
Should be a fun couple of days, weeks.  Should fill in the off season quite nicely.



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Marconi $45 million turnover and $3.3 million profit, yet some people still argue they should be allowed to be in the top tier but 'semi-professional' .
Surely they could afford to pay young Australian players a reasonable minimum wage to train and play full time.
Sick of the excuses from the greedy NPL board members just interested in profits over football.
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MarkfromCroydon - 31 Jul 2018 12:23 PM
Marconi $45 million turnover and $3.3 million profit, yet some people still argue they should be allowed to be in the top tier but 'semi-professional' . Surely they could afford to pay young Australian players a reasonable minimum wage to train and play full time. Sick of the excuses from the greedy NPL board members just interested in profits over football.

Good to see that they're not falling for the Expansion bait, and throwing good money after bad.

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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crimsoncrusoe - 31 Jul 2018 10:08 AM

The one guaranteed outcome is that there will be massive meltdowns all over the place because people have worked themselves into a frenzy of expectations.  When those expectations aren't met or perhaps even dealt with at any level, then the howls of anguish and "we wuz robbed" will cry out all over.  Pitchforks and torches anybody?
Should be a fun couple of days, weeks.  Should fill in the off season quite nicely.





Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Exactly why fall for expansion bait and pay for a licence when in a few years or so they may be Able to apply at the lower tier and work their way up on the field for free
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