FFA Congress Review Working Group Thread


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The Lowys need to be thrown out of the game and never let back.

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melbourne_terrace - 1 Aug 2018 6:20 AM
The Lowys need to be thrown out of the game and never let back.

This. They are a cancer on the sport we love.
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I personally hope that the Lowys withdraw every cent they put into the game.

Sure, acknowledging that we wouldn't have a national cup, a semi-pro league (NSL) a shit professional league or even Harry Kewell and the sport's high school aside, what has their money and influence ever done for us?  The money for WSW formation and SBS coverage goes without saying.  I cannot give them much credit, if any, for the quality of owners they recruited for their bullshit A League.  That alone is cause for their complete removal from the game IMHO.  Well there's the women's league you could point to and joining the AFC and 5 world cup appearances but just what the fuck have they ever done for us????  Lately?

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Burztur - 1 Aug 2018 1:05 AM
I want to see the CRWG proposal is. Hope that gets leaked. Then we can each decide if they got it right or not. The current board can still contribute and work with FIFAs request but instead, it appears they have simply played a stalling game.If the FFA want to take this through Court, FIFA / AFC can simply kick them out of the Asian Cup. Can't see them win the court of public opinion there...

Participation in the Asian Cup is a right of membership of the AFC so to be kicked out they would need to be suspended or expelled from the AFC.
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Again, you can’t get “expelled” from the AFC, you can only be suspended.
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SWandP - 1 Aug 2018 7:27 AM
I personally hope that the Lowys withdraw every cent they put into the game.

Sure, acknowledging that we wouldn't have a national cup, a semi-pro league (NSL) a shit professional league or even Harry Kewell and the sport's high school aside, what has their money and influence ever done for us?  The money for WSW formation and SBS coverage goes without saying.  I cannot give them much credit, if any, for the quality of owners they recruited for their bullshit A League.  That alone is cause for their complete removal from the game IMHO.  Well there's the women's league you could point to and joining the AFC and 5 world cup appearances but just what the fuck have they ever done for us????  Lately?

You forgot the Matildas sponsorship and the pressure that they put on their corporate mates to tip in sponsorship to all levels of the game.  But other than that, I agree, they done nothing... just destroyed a well run game with a proud history of smooth and democratic governance.
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Waz - 1 Aug 2018 8:06 AM
Again, you can’t get “expelled” from the AFC, you can only be suspended.

Article 12 of the AFC Statutes covers "Expulsion".

and,
Article 15 of the FIFA Statutes covers "Expulsion" from FIFA.
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Gyfox - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM
Waz - 1 Aug 2018 8:06 AM

Article 12 of the AFC Statutes covers "Expulsion".

and,
Article 15 of the FIFA Statutes covers "Expulsion" from FIFA.

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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aok - 1 Aug 2018 8:08 AM
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You forgot the Matildas sponsorship and the pressure that they put on their corporate mates to tip in sponsorship to all levels of the game.  But other than that, I agree, they done nothing... just destroyed a well run game with a proud history of smooth and democratic governance.

So Frank and David are now forum members ? Welcome to our brother hood .

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So according to reports the FFA are going to block this with the support of Capital Football and Football NT as well as another federation.

If that happens then FIFA’s only option is normalising committee or suspension.
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Football Todays article

http://footballtoday.news/football-media-watch/ffa-congress-ffa-cup


FFA Congress reform

It was revealed yesterday evening via Vince Rugari of AAP that the Congress reform could be derailed. The existing FFA Board needs only three of the existing ten voters to disagree with the recommendations when they come to a special Congress meeting on 7 September and the Congress Review Working Group's (CRWG) recommendations will fail. The AAP reports are also included in the Fairfax press

Ray Gatt writes that the four smallest state federations of Northern NSW, Tasmania, the ACT and NT have been 'convinced' by FFA to vote against the recommendations of the CRWG whose report has now been submitted to FIFA. You will recall that the four state federations represented on that working group were the other four. Gatt reports that FFA/the four states are concerned that the PFA is to have two votes - which, if the case, is the first time this particular objection has been raised.

Emma Kemp reports that there was a "flurry of last-ditch lobbying" by Steven Lowy and David Gallop to ensure that the recommended changes do not proceed. She also reports that the lobbying was so intense that FIFA intervened with a conference call on the weekend to remind the state federations of the "virtues of the working group's process" but Steven Lowy believes he has a right put his view directly. 

Whatever happens on 7 September, Steven Lowy is finished as Chairman of FFA. Quite why he would want to derail an agreed process overseen by an independent chair - with an FFA Board member included on the CRWG also - is anyone's guess. It certainly isn't a move to 'save' his legacy. 



Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Gyfox - 1 Aug 2018 7:46 AM
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Participation in the Asian Cup is a right of membership of the AFC so to be kicked out they would need to be suspended or expelled from the AFC.

The AFC banned East Timor from the next Asian Cup as punishment for fielding a bunch of ineligible Brazilians in qualifiers, without suspending or expelling the Timorese federation.
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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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I get the feeling there is something way more sinister going on here. Why would hanging on to that power be that important? What benefit do they actually get out of it? Lowy and other board members make far more money elsewhere so why is being in control of Australian Football so important? Their actions are really starting to confirm suspicions that corruption in the FFA runs very deep, and a new congress would quickly uncover how deep that corruption actually goes. Lowy's actions are not the actions of someone acting in the best interest of football. They are the actions of someone who is trying desperately to avoid prison.
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So the FFA are trying to pick the lowest hanging fruit as their support to block the changes in return for what?

What do these micro federations get in return? Empty promisies? They should know by now which entity will actually sell them up the river.
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Scorched earth retreat by Lowy and his pocket sycophant Gallop.Clearly nothing to add to the governance issue.The last day assault again and again.WTF do they have on these minions?WTF is so important to keep their control?
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Blocking sweeping governance reforms would leave the FFA open to being overthrown by FIFA

AUGUST 01, 2018

FOOTBALL Federation Australia could leave itself open to being overthrown by FIFA with revelations some state federations are set to block sweeping governance reforms.

The group tasked with solving Australian football’s civil war on Tuesday night submitted its recommendations to FIFA for likely approval, but those changes are set to be voted down once they return to Australia to be ratified.

It comes after a flurry of last-ditch lobbying of minor state federations in recent days, aimed at solidifying support for chairman Steven Lowy and the under-siege board.

Should that occur it would throw the decision back to FIFA, which would have to decide whether to go ahead with its long-held threats to remove Lowy and the board and implement the very normalisation committee it held back on early this year.

A 100-page document detailing expansive governance changes is back with FIFA after its congress review working group finished a proposal two months in the making.

Independent chairwoman Judith Griggs, who was mandated to oversee the process, was due to submit her universally accepted recommendations by Europe’s close of business on Tuesday.

It is due now to be accepted by FIFA before being put before its member associations committee for approval in August.

That then leaves the current 10-person Australian congress, made up of nine votes for each member federation and one for the 10 A-League clubs, with the choice of either adopting or blocking it at a special general meeting before September 7.

As was the case in November’s failed vote, an amendment to FFA’s constitution is required to pass the changes, with 75 per cent — or eight of the 10 votes — needed for an in-favour vote.

Following a number of back room conversations over the weekend, the ACT’s Capital Football and Football Federation Northern Territory are both in FFA’s corner.

Lowy is also believed to have the relative support of Tasmania and Northern NSW.

So intense was the lobbying it’s understood FIFA intervened, summoning all nine states to a conference call to reassure them of the virtues of the working-group’s process.

FFA is understood to hold a starkly different view — that Lowy has every right to communicate with the member federations as his constituents.

Australia’s peak body also does not believe the working group represents a fair and equal cross-section of the country’s football community.

Regardless, the turn of events foreshadows another two months of wrangling between the code’s factions and, ultimately, more speculation about FIFA’s next move.

Normalisation or suspension are options, though Lowy has previously indicated he would not rule out legal action if that path was taken.

The working group was tasked with proposing a new structure for the FFA congress that includes a “broader and more balanced” representation of stakeholders to bring the governing body in line with FIFA’s statutes.

The group has also taken into account other issues, including the governance model of the A-League, with clubs fixed on taking over the running of the stagnating competition from FFA, as well as the composition and independence of the FFA board.

https://t.co/ra9HcZXqXi




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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So intense was the lobbying it’s understood FIFA intervened, summoning all nine states to a conference call to reassure them of the virtues of the working-group’s process.


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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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SWandP - 1 Aug 2018 7:27 AM
I personally hope that the Lowys withdraw every cent they put into the game.

Sure, acknowledging that we wouldn't have a national cup, a semi-pro league (NSL) a shit professional league or even Harry Kewell and the sport's high school aside, what has their money and influence ever done for us?  The money for WSW formation and SBS coverage goes without saying.  I cannot give them much credit, if any, for the quality of owners they recruited for their bullshit A League.  That alone is cause for their complete removal from the game IMHO.  Well there's the women's league you could point to and joining the AFC and 5 world cup appearances but just what the fuck have they ever done for us????  Lately?

History tells us that sometimes even the greatest revolutionary leaders, who leads us out of the darkness, also loses their way, once out of the darkness.

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History tells us that sometimes even the greatest revolutionary leaders, who leads us out of the darkness, also loses their way, once out of the darkness.

Brilliant post ....
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can someone please summarise where we are at?  is lowy thumbing his nose at FIFA?

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bettega - 1 Aug 2018 12:03 PM
can someone please summarise where we are at?  is lowy thumbing his nose at FIFA?
  • CRWG have sent the recommendations to FIFA
  • FIFA okay them this month
  • Recommendations will be put to an EGM by Sep 7
  • 8 out of the 10 need to vote FOR the recommendations
  • If 3 or more don't , it goes back to FIFA to see what they will do.
  • Rumours are that at least 2 and maybe 4 are AGAINST them



Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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robbos - 1 Aug 2018 11:49 AM
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History tells us that sometimes even the greatest revolutionary leaders, who leads us out of the darkness, also loses their way, once out of the darkness.

Lowy = Mugabe.

Came to power and everyone was hopeful.
Kicked out ethnics he didn't like.
Stuck around too long, crushed dissenters.
Horrible mismanagement.
Finally thrown out after too much damage was done.
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AAFC notes reports in all major media today concerning the possible ‘derailment’ of the process instituted by FIFA and the Asian Football Confederation regarding reform of Football Federation Australia’s (FFA) governance.

According to reports, up to four of the smallest state-based member federations could vote against the recommendations of the Congress Review Working Group (CRWG) submitted to FIFA yesterday, when they are required to endorse them in September.
 
“If these reports are accurate, then the state member federations involved, and FFA who is reported to be urging this course of action, should hang their collective heads in shame,” said Chairman of AAFC, Rabieh Krayem.

“This seems to me as if FFA’s Board and management do not like the Working Group’s recommendations and – somewhat ironically – are unable to accept the referee’s decision.

“The fact is: the member federations were well represented on the Working Group. All state member federations voted for their four representatives, and all of them had every opportunity to be involved in the discussions, process and decision-making via those representatives.”

Krayem said he also did not understand the suggestion that FFA ‘does not believe the working group represents a fair and equal cross-section’ of the football community. 

“AAFC, whose clubs have a combined total of around 35,000 players involving 65,000 volunteer hours per week, met several times with Ms Griggs and the Working Group. 

“We might not have agreed on every point, but they were always open to a constructive discussion on the many issues we presented to them,” said Krayem.

“Of course, we do not know what has been recommended, but regardless of the outcome, I will place on record AAFC’s appreciation of the entire Working Group’s willingness to engage with national premier league clubs through us.”

Krayem said he trusts that FIFA and the AFC will accept the report and recommendations of the Working Group for agreement by the existing FFA Congress on September 7.

“Football in Australia wants and needs to be able to get on with the job to develop and grow the game with the entire football community working together. 

“These governance issues have more or less paralysed the game for too long. It’s an indictment on the game’s leadership that it apparently wants to continue to extend this paralysis even longer."

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Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Grauniad article

Time for FFA to show real leadership and bring miserable chapter to an end

After two years of futile bickering, a normalisation committee is now the circuit breaker the game needs


On 4 April Football Federation Australia issued a press release headlined: “Fifa announces terms of reference for congress review working group.” In the release FFA offers its support for the CRWG– which was unsurprising as it represented an alternative to the board’s removal by Fifa and the imposition of a normalisation committee.

“Football Federation Australia chairman Steven Lowy AM welcomed receipt of the terms of reference and said FFA looked forward to working with Fifa, the Asian Football Confederation and all Australian football stakeholders to expand the congress,” the media release read. At long last an end to this interminable saga was in sight.

Four months later, and on completion of the CRWG’s deliberations, it now appears FFA has had a change of mind. The recommendations of the CRWG remain under wraps but it is safe to assume they propose disrupting the status quo FFA’s leadership has managed so assiduously since the organisation’s formation. How much disruption remains to be seen, but clearly enough to spook FFA’s leaders into action.

Instead of accepting in good faith the recommendations of a group constituted by Fifa that includes an independent chairperson and a member of FFA’s own board, not to mention the chairmen of the four largest member federations, two A-League club representatives, and the CEO of the players’ union, FFA has instead sought to exploit a procedural loophole to circumnavigate the review body and drag out the fiasco. You almost want to applaud the brass neck.

Point VI of the review’s terms of reference indicates any recommendations need to be passed at an FFA special meeting, and for that to take place no later than 7 September. Back in April it was presumed this would be a formality, a ceremonial rubber stamp marking the end of one process and the beginning of the next. Apparently not.

Under FFA’s constitution when such a meeting addresses changes to the organisation’s fundamentals, 75% of votes are required to pass the motion – in other words at least eight of the 10 current congress members.
It appears at least two (Capital Football and Football Federation Northern Territory) and as many as four of the smallest member federations (none of whom were on the CRWG) are now prepared to vote against the acceptance of the CRWG recommendations.
It does not require a wild imagination to believe that such member federations are not acting without encouragement.

It is the latest and most desperate attempt yet to cling on to power by FFA’s intransigent leadership. If the CRWG recommendations are not accepted by the existing congress in September the ball passes into Fifa’s court once more. Already unimpressed with what they’ve witnessed over recent days it is hard to envisage anything other than the imposition of a normalisation committee. Based on the experience of the previous two years of futile bickering, a normalisation committee is looking increasingly like the circuit breaker the game needs.

FFA continue to insist they are doing all of this for the good of the game. It is no longer possible to agree that the good of the game is best served by this behaviour. Under the auspices of Fifa the CRWG started with a blank sheet of paper and an independent chair, and through the course of its investigation counselled the game’s stakeholders from the top of the pyramid to the bottom. If the outcome of that is not to FFA’s liking, they might want to look in the mirror.

This is an organisation that has had 13 years to do something about its poor governance (at least the two most recent of these have been on notice from Fifa) and by failing to do so have succeeded in putting all manner of stakeholders offside, including the A-League clubs, the professional players, and the member federations representing the lion’s share of registered Australian players. They have already lost one congress vote on their preferred model for reorganisation and yet they continue to shift the goalposts until their preferred outcome materialises. It is unseemly, shameless, and leaves football in Australia in a state of uncertainty at a time when big decisions need to be made.

The member federations should not escape censure either for their part in enabling this behaviour. In fact, if this shambles plays out to script it will be the banner case in point for proving how absurd the system is, one where organisations like Football Northern Territory, led by Stuart Kenny, and Capital Football, chaired by Mark O’Neill, could combine to form a 20% voting bloc yet represent less than a 10th of registered participants in football in Australia.

Change is long overdue. There is now consensus among stakeholders about what the future should look like. It is time for FFA to show real leadership and bring this miserable chapter to its conclusion. If they can’t then we should hope Fifa has the gumption to end it for them.




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 1 Aug 2018 12:09 PM
bettega - 1 Aug 2018 12:03 PM
  • CRWG have sent the recommendations to FIFA
  • FIFA okay them this month
  • Recommendations will be put to an EGM by Sep 7
  • 8 out of the 10 need to vote FOR the recommendations
  • If 3 or more don't , it goes back to FIFA to see what they will do.
  • Rumours are that at least 2 and maybe 4 are AGAINST them


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robbos - 1 Aug 2018 11:49 AM

Lowy = Mugabe.

Came to power and everyone was hopeful.
Kicked out ethnics he didn't like.
Stuck around too long, crushed dissenters.
Horrible mismanagement.
Finally thrown out after too much damage was done.

Good analogy, although when you say Mugabe stuck around too long, that's puttting it mildly.

Also, he was eventually thrown out, aged god knows what (he might be 90 years old??), but I don't think he gave up power immediately following the vote which ostensibly threw him out.

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Gyfox - 1 Aug 2018 7:46 AM

The AFC banned East Timor from the next Asian Cup as punishment for fielding a bunch of ineligible Brazilians in qualifiers, without suspending or expelling the Timorese federation.

The Disciplinary Code allows that but that is for infringements during competition as far as I am aware.  Suspension and expulsion of membership is for cases of breach of FIFA and/or AFC Statutes, Regulations or Directions.
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melbourne_terrace - 1 Aug 2018 6:20 AM
The Lowys need to be thrown out of the game and never let back.

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