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+x+x+xSo why aren’t our local jounos calling lowy out? Where’s Simon hill? Doesn’t seem to be that clear cut, surely if lowys lie is so obvious he’d be called out?? Coz it's not a lie (see earlier post) He's just using an example that is a) very unlikely b) is actually the way Democracy works Traditionally football at the national level has been controlled by the elite clubs through their lackeys in the State Feds with NSW and Vic effectively driving everything. Why is it unlikely that the scenario that Lowy describes will occur? If it does we will have 12 of 29 members controlling congress. Is 12 of 29 members controlling democracy or is it a gerrymander that has been set up that is simply replacing a different gerrymander? traditionally elite clubs ? You mean the current AAFC ?
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The Australian understands this was not the letter Lowy expected to receive from FIFA as he had hoped FIFA would allow him to find some sort of compromise with the federations, the A-League clubs and the players’ union.
Two member associations, Capital Football and Northern Territory, are siding with Lowy to vote against the recommendations but FFA still needs another vote to see them torpedoed. Northern NSW and Tasmania have indicated support for Lowy but the latest FIFA development is expected to test their resolve.
It now appears FFA has no more room to manoeuvre. If the recommendations are passed, the changes will go through. If they are vetoed, FIFA will likely act by either suspending FFA or sacking the board and bringing in a normalisation committee.
In any case, the situation has created all sorts of issues, notably the situation regarding expansion of the A-League from 2019-20. There are nine bids for two spots for a 12-team league. The FFA board was due to decide the winners by the end of October, but it will likely not be in power. It is unlikely a temporary board would have the power or the inclination to decide on expansion given a new board would have to be voted in at the November AGM.
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+xThe Australian understands this was not the letter Lowy expected to receive from FIFA as he had hoped FIFA would allow him to find some sort of compromise with the federations, the A-League clubs and the players’ union.
Two member associations, Capital Football and Northern Territory, are siding with Lowy to vote against the recommendations but FFA still needs another vote to see them torpedoed. Northern NSW and Tasmania have indicated support for Lowy but the latest FIFA development is expected to test their resolve.
It now appears FFA has no more room to manoeuvre. If the recommendations are passed, the changes will go through. If they are vetoed, FIFA will likely act by either suspending FFA or sacking the board and bringing in a normalisation committee.
In any case, the situation has created all sorts of issues, notably the situation regarding expansion of the A-League from 2019-20. There are nine bids for two spots for a 12-team league. The FFA board was due to decide the winners by the end of October, but it will likely not be in power. It is unlikely a temporary board would have the power or the inclination to decide on expansion given a new board would have to be voted in at the November AGM. If a new board is voted in at November AGM, surely they could extend the decision of who the winners are in December ??
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+x+xThe Australian understands this was not the letter Lowy expected to receive from FIFA as he had hoped FIFA would allow him to find some sort of compromise with the federations, the A-League clubs and the players’ union.
Two member associations, Capital Football and Northern Territory, are siding with Lowy to vote against the recommendations but FFA still needs another vote to see them torpedoed. Northern NSW and Tasmania have indicated support for Lowy but the latest FIFA development is expected to test their resolve.
It now appears FFA has no more room to manoeuvre. If the recommendations are passed, the changes will go through. If they are vetoed, FIFA will likely act by either suspending FFA or sacking the board and bringing in a normalisation committee.
In any case, the situation has created all sorts of issues, notably the situation regarding expansion of the A-League from 2019-20. There are nine bids for two spots for a 12-team league. The FFA board was due to decide the winners by the end of October, but it will likely not be in power. It is unlikely a temporary board would have the power or the inclination to decide on expansion given a new board would have to be voted in at the November AGM. If a new board is voted in at November AGM, surely they could extend the decision of who the winners are in December ?? CRWG recommends Establishment of the ‘New Leagues Working Group’ [NLWG]:
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+x+x+x+xSo why aren’t our local jounos calling lowy out? Where’s Simon hill? Doesn’t seem to be that clear cut, surely if lowys lie is so obvious he’d be called out?? Coz it's not a lie (see earlier post) He's just using an example that is a) very unlikely b) is actually the way Democracy works Traditionally football at the national level has been controlled by the elite clubs through their lackeys in the State Feds with NSW and Vic effectively driving everything. Why is it unlikely that the scenario that Lowy describes will occur? If it does we will have 12 of 29 members controlling congress. Is 12 of 29 members controlling democracy or is it a gerrymander that has been set up that is simply replacing a different gerrymander? traditionally elite clubs ? You mean the current AAFC ? The principle followed in the 1957 split in NSW and in the establishment of the ASF in 1962 was that the clubs would run football. In essence they meant the elite clubs which were state based and in 1977 became nationally based with the establishment of the NSL. Until 2003 football was run for the benefit of the elite clubs with scant regard for anything else in my view. With the establishment of the FFA the priorities of the national body changed and they sought a better balance between the various parts of the game. The current manifestation of the elite clubs would be both the APFCA and the AAFC clubs. Between them they account for about 40k players or about 7% of the registered players and back in the old days it wouldn't have been much different.
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+x+x+x+x+xSo why aren’t our local jounos calling lowy out? Where’s Simon hill? Doesn’t seem to be that clear cut, surely if lowys lie is so obvious he’d be called out?? Coz it's not a lie (see earlier post) He's just using an example that is a) very unlikely b) is actually the way Democracy works Traditionally football at the national level has been controlled by the elite clubs through their lackeys in the State Feds with NSW and Vic effectively driving everything. Why is it unlikely that the scenario that Lowy describes will occur? If it does we will have 12 of 29 members controlling congress. Is 12 of 29 members controlling democracy or is it a gerrymander that has been set up that is simply replacing a different gerrymander? traditionally elite clubs ? You mean the current AAFC ? The principle followed in the 1957 split in NSW and in the establishment of the ASF in 1962 was that the clubs would run football. In essence they meant the elite clubs which were state based and in 1977 became nationally based with the establishment of the NSL. Until 2003 football was run for the benefit of the elite clubs with scant regard for anything else in my view. With the establishment of the FFA the priorities of the national body changed and they sought a better balance between the various parts of the game. The current manifestation of the elite clubs would be both the APFCA and the AAFC clubs. Between them they account for about 40k players or about 7% of the registered players and back in the old days it wouldn't have been much different. That's History The problem for me is you're story infers that the HAL clubs now have a couple of Feds in their pocket and that the PFA will also go along.
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@Gyfox....What are you talking about. If the elite clubs,presumably you mean npl clubs now ,have controlled state federations through lackeys,what do you think is the current situation? The state federations rule congress presently.So are you saying it's actually the elite npl clubs in control? Lowy is a power broker of one of those elite clubs.
What the CRWG proposes takes absolute power away from the those state federations.But they still have the majority of votes.So collectively can pass motions,except a change to congress. Professional clubs do not possess power to pass anything or block anything.They require friends. That's democracy.Get a majority . The idea that two tiny territories .One funded by FFA can block changes is the most unjust situation.If 95% of the football fraternity want change then surely they should get it.If those territories dont like change they can leave and do what they want for grassroots.(surely the biggest joke of a reason).
12 out of 29 is not a majority according to my maths.
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+x12 out of 29 is not a majority according to my maths. The 12 members 'hold' over 50% of the Vote is his point
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Rebel states fear being ‘slaughtered, isolated and friendless’ in war with FIFA
Pressure is mounting not to be “on the wrong side of history” from within the closed ranks of the four rogue state federations standing in the way of FIFA-mandated Congress reforms.UPDATED BY DAVE LEWIS Fears of a backlash should they vote down sweeping changes, and put Australia at risk of being suspended from world football by FIFA, are beginning to crystalise ahead of a crucial extraordinary general meeting sometime in September to ratify, or otherwise, the proposals of the FIFA-instructed Congress Review Working Group (CRWG). An influential source close the board of Capital Football, and by inference its chairman Mark O’Neill, admits the dissident states - ACT, Northern NSW, Northern Territory and Tasmania - face the prospect of being “slaughtered, isolated and friendless” should they defy the will of the vast majority of football’s disparate stakeholders. Should they remain unyielding the result would likely be FIFA immediately suspending Australia or imposing a normalisation committee to run the sport. Canberra boss O’Neill, who has been a staunch supporter of outgoing FFA chairman Steven Lowy in his crusade to derail reform, is the spokesman for the four rebels states, two of whom would need to break ranks and vote for the implementation of the CRWG report for it to be successfully enacted. At this point, Tasmania and Northern NSW are thought to be wavering, though the word from Capital Football is that the four remain staunchly opposed to the reform package, which includes an independent A-League. The ACT source, who asked not to be identified, admitted there are growing reservations at Capital Football boardroom level in being “on the wrong side of history” and becoming a virtual pariah state as the board digs in over issues regarding the number of votes allotted to the PFA in the proposed new Congress model and the resources available to grassroots football.
In an insight into the intransigence of the states, characterised by O’Neill’s leadership, the source said: “What really challenges me in this is the possibility of us being marginalised by not really reaching out and looking for compromise, by digging trenches on every single point. “There’s a danger of us becoming irrelevant. We need to find consensus over things that really don’t matter that much (going into the September meeting). “The last thing anybody wants to see is Australia suspended or normalisation. We’d be slaughtered, isolated and friendless, if that were to occur. “The ramifications of being booted out are huge, particularly in terms of women’s football and the Matildas’ participation in the 2019 World Cup and Australia’s bid to host the women’s World Cup in 2023. “And when it comes to carving up funds from a new A-League model, nobody would be on there making a case for the ACT because we’d be have very little good will in our favour.” The source said part of the opposition to the proposed new Congress model from the gang of four - who only represent 18 percent of registered players - already included a component of being stripped of influence. “There’s a fear moving forward that access to resources and infrastructure wont be as accessible as in the past,” the source added.
But he insisted there is still hope of a peaceful resolution. “No recommendations of the working group have not been rejected, not one. It’s normal for organizations with different views to have discussions on how they think those views should be played out.” In reference to a purported move from disgruntled ACT clubs to challenge O’Neill’s mandate, the source added: “He has the support of the board and his members within Capital Football.” FIFA has reached out to the rebels states in a last-ditch bid at consensus, and a CF board meeting next Wednesday will discuss whether to open direct dialogue with Zurich. O’Neill, and has acolytes, have been portrayed as “Lowy’s lackeys” but the source refuted that assertion, and insisted it had only solidified his support base and hardened existing views. “The four states have acted independently and there are differences between them and Lowy,“ the source stated. “For example, those states comfortable with women having 10 percent of the new Congress vote while Lowy is not. “In regards to grassroots football, it’s not a matter of being worse off under recommendations .. it’s a matter of getting the best possible outcome for participatants moving forward, and that means everybody in football. “Hopefully there’s still time to talk and relationships aren’t so acrimonious that agreement can’t still be reached between all the stakeholders (at the September EGM).”
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As TPOS had said on social media, aren't they already irrelevant lol? -PB
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+x+x+xThe Australian understands this was not the letter Lowy expected to receive from FIFA as he had hoped FIFA would allow him to find some sort of compromise with the federations, the A-League clubs and the players’ union.
Two member associations, Capital Football and Northern Territory, are siding with Lowy to vote against the recommendations but FFA still needs another vote to see them torpedoed. Northern NSW and Tasmania have indicated support for Lowy but the latest FIFA development is expected to test their resolve.
It now appears FFA has no more room to manoeuvre. If the recommendations are passed, the changes will go through. If they are vetoed, FIFA will likely act by either suspending FFA or sacking the board and bringing in a normalisation committee.
In any case, the situation has created all sorts of issues, notably the situation regarding expansion of the A-League from 2019-20. There are nine bids for two spots for a 12-team league. The FFA board was due to decide the winners by the end of October, but it will likely not be in power. It is unlikely a temporary board would have the power or the inclination to decide on expansion given a new board would have to be voted in at the November AGM. If a new board is voted in at November AGM, surely they could extend the decision of who the winners are in December ?? CRWG recommends Establishment of the ‘New Leagues Working Group’ [NLWG]: Perhaps this NLWG would be a hell of a lot more transparent when selecting successful bidders. At the moment it feels like a lottery, no one (probably not even FFA) have seen a list of criteria in which they are basing their decision on. Not to mention the tens of thousands they've probably spent on consultants. Hopefully the CRWG recommendations are voted in, the new board is voted in, and from there things happen a lot quicker!
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@Gazprom,Gyfox
55 votes for 9 federations 28 votes for 9 HAL clubs 7 votes for 1 PFA 10 votes for 10 women X votes for new members down the track.
So 9 federations have a majority and can do what they like. PFA. HAL clubs & women is 45 votes.That's 20 members.Still cant pass anything.
Assuming federations are getting equal votes( we dont know that). They get 6.111111 each.Why no whole number ,i dont know.
Anyway HAL clubs,PFA and 2 states .(12 members)gets 35+ 12.2= 47.2---- cant pass anything.
Basicall basing anything on member numbers is meaningless.State federation and territories rule with only 9 members.The vast minority! You can play around with all sorts of combinations,but if no federations flip,noone else can pass anything.
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+x@Gazprom,Gyfox55 votes for 9 federations28 votes for 9 HAL clubs7 votes for 1 PFA10 votes for 10 womenX votes for new members down the track.So 9 federations have a majority and can do what they like.PFA. HAL clubs & women is 45 votes.That's 20 members.Still cant pass anything.Assuming federations are getting equal votes( we dont know that). They get 6.111111 each.Why no whole number ,i dont know.Anyway HAL clubs,PFA and 2 states .(12 members)gets 35+ 12.2= 47.2---- cant pass anything.Basicall basing anything on member numbers is meaningless.State federation and territories rule with only 9 members.The vast minority!You can play around with all sorts of combinations,but if no federations flip,noone else can pass anything. as previously posted, 10 women are from 3 'groups' + 1 independent
HAL will nominate 3, PFA will nominate 3 and the Feds will nominate 3
HAL will have 28% (+3% Womens Vote)PFA will have 7% (+3% Womens vote)2 States (55/9 = 12.2%) if prorata'd, [more if Big States organise higher % and are in the bloc]Total = 53.2% plus maybe another 1 or 2 % from Women's Feds
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+xAs TPOS had said on social media, aren't they already irrelevant lol? -PB Yeah, considering the fact that 3 out of 4 states federations do not have an a-league club. rejecting the CRWG will make those rebel state federations even more irrelevent lol
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Gazprom,I think its drawing a long bow to count women as lackeys to who nominate them. Do you think Bonita if nominated would be any ones lackey? Even if they nominated ex W-League players,why assume everyone thinks and acts like Lowy? More than likley the women as a group would vote together.
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+xGazprom,I think its drawing a long bow to count women as lackeys to who nominate them.Do you think Bonita if nominated would be any ones lackey?Even if they nominated ex W-League players,why assume everyone thinks and acts like Lowy? More than likely the women as a group would vote together. Why ? CRWG assume they will vote with the Organisations that picked them to be there, hence the table in their report Bonita will more likely be on the actual Board
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There is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life.
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Lol @paulc
All that may be true, and if may not be, but the basis of her articles is pretty good all the same.
This is effective communication, allowing for the odd bit of axe grinding, compare that to Lowy who is effectively using sound-bite communication. He just needs to slip “let’s make Australia great again” and he’s done.
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NQ look like losing any representation in npl after Townsville handed back their licence and Cairns are expected to follow. FFA wax lyrical about how they are their to protect grassroots from the evil professional clubs. Yet if regional areas are neglected like this already,what is their to fear? NQ youth already are at rock bottom.
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+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she is axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D
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+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap.
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+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups.
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+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Yes, it will be much fairer when everyone can contribute to holding the game back, rather than just a few.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Yes, it will be much fairer when everyone can contribute to holding the game back, rather than just a few. lol, now that is a good one libel and could well be the case sadly. I've been all for the Lowy strangle hold to be cut finally, nothing lasts forever lets face it and what has changed/improved to date since Jnr's been in and worse Gallop ? not much at all and far too much back room games and hide and seek. Today transparency is needed for starters - nothing wrong with input from sections that never had a say. The game is being held back now lets see what the future brings. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Yes, it will be much fairer when everyone can contribute to holding the game back, rather than just a few. lol, now that is a good one libel and could well be the case sadly. I've been all for the Lowy strangle hold to be cut finally, nothing lasts forever lets face it and what has changed/improved to date since Jnr's been in and worse Gallop ? not much at all and far too much back room games and hide and seek. Today transparency is needed for starters - nothing wrong with input from sections that never had a say. The game is being held back now lets see what the future brings. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Is "input from sections" your democracy when clubs alone will have the ultimate vote?
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+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers. I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers. I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything. While she does put the knife in towards the end, her analysis is more than fair. Some of the points about the FFA are also of concern (e.g. if the HAL admin is twice the size of the EPL).
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers. I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything. you obviously have an agenda of your own ..why would you seize upon a phrase like "anything is better than than Lowy running the game"...?..of course the game was in a worse condition in the last of NSL days ..that's a given...but yes it can be better run....much much better run !! My point was that it would not take much to be better than Lowy at running football. The game is stalled at present and needs new ideas and a new direction.... As for Bonita ? I don't know her or what she is about personally ...I assume you do ?...however her comments appear far more believable and structured than Lowys. I can only go on what she says ....with Lowy I can see what he has done for the game in his 3 year tenure.......absolutely nothing ..
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe. Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life. Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side . :D Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ? The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have . Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever . In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way . Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step. Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not ! There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups. Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers. I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything. While she does put the knife in towards the end, her analysis is more than fair. Some of the points about the FFA are also of concern (e.g. if the HAL admin is twice the size of the EPL). Why and where is the evidence the HAL admin will be twice the size of the EPL? More agenda driven comments from Bonita? She really needs to stop harping on about the lost world cup bid as well.
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